76590 Sun Dec 18 02:48:53 -0800 2005 5 2 Los Angeles Area 0 422186 Any restaurants serving non factory farmed meat in LA? Just switched from veggie diet to a diet including such meats, and have realized that this basically means nothing has changed, except what I can cook at home by buying meat at Wholefoods Markets. Any restaurants I can try? Sun Dec 18 02:48:53 -0800 2005 0 GabePW 1 422198 There's always the Inn of the Seventh Ray in Topanga, where the menu is listed in order of esoteric vibration (vegan first, then vegetarian, then white meat, then red meat -- all meat is organic, non-factory-farmed, etc., etc.). Sun Dec 18 13:44:50 -0800 2005 422186 0 Das Ubergeek 1 422201 I'm pretty certain that restaurants of a certain tier (Grace, Lucques, Campanile, etc.) purchase most of their stuff from organic farms, small cattle farms, etc. You can always just call the restaurant and ask who their vendors are. Sun Dec 18 14:13:29 -0800 2005 422186 0 Suebee 2 422495 Unfortunately, responsible sourcing isn't quite as widespread as one would like to believe, although the three restaurants you mention, plus Angeli and some others, certainly try. Usually, if the meat comes from an organic farmer or a special source, it will say so on the menu. And there are other methods. I've never actually sought out restaurant dumpsters, but I have run across a few empty cartons from hideous mega-processors behind some of the best restaurants in town. Tue Dec 20 13:09:09 -0800 2005 422201 0 condiment 1 422367 As "organic" and "free range" become bigger and bigger business, it's hard to tell without asking directly, but these are a few places that cultivate the responsible gourmet ethic. You'll notice that all three of the places tend to cultivate a higher price point as well- and I look forward to when terms "sustainable", "local" and "pricey" don't have to go hand in hand. Cheebo 7533 West Sunset Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90046 (323) 850-7070 http://www.cheebo.com/site/index.php M Café de Chaya, 7119 Melrose Ave., just west of La Brea. Open breakfast, lunch and dinner, 9am to 9pm, daily. Wine and beer served. 323.525.0588 http://mcafedechaya.com/ Axe 1009 Abbot Kinney Blvd Venice, CA 90291-3372 (310) 664-9787 Mon Dec 19 19:12:55 -0800 2005 422186 0 Briana 1 422390 Campanile, Josie, Lucques, AOC, Chameau, Chipolte (the chain), and MANY high end restaurants in the city. Almost all game and rare breeds are raised in small farm conditions. Mon Dec 19 20:27:30 -0800 2005 422186 0 JudiAU