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[Daily Deal for Fri, Feb. 11] $50 for $150 towards The Butchers (again!)

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jlunar Feb 10, 2011 10:59 PM

"$50 for $150 worth of the highest quality organic and naturally raised meat, hot prepared foods, organic produce and more from The Butchers."

https://www.webpiggy.com/

You know, at some point, I feel like It's going to be free to shop there, as they keep increasing the discount.

Still. It's a good discount!! Coupon expires in a year.

You have until Sunday evening to make up your mind, and the deal will be done.

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  1. foodyDudey RE: jlunar Feb 11, 2011 02:52 AM

    That's an amazing deal, I wonder why they would have this sale after the one they had so recently.

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      ace123 RE: jlunar Feb 11, 2011 03:32 AM

      Last time was $40 for $100, now $50 for $150. Thousands were sold before at different sites already. Can't understand. Organic meat getting cheaper and cheaper???

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        sbug206 RE: ace123 Feb 11, 2011 03:38 AM

        I see this as signs of a desperate business trying to promote themselves. I can't imagine their margin is getting better so obviously they'll just jack up the prices to compensate.

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          Yongeman RE: Gribiche Feb 11, 2011 04:43 AM

          I agree with your analysis, Gribiche. I was there fairly near closing on Saturday. There was very little to be found in their normally well-stocked display fridges. Marlon had to grind some fresh lean beef for my burgers (not necessarily a bad thing), and I did use a coupon for my purchase.

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          pakmode RE: ace123 Feb 11, 2011 07:31 AM

          From a financial perspective the cash-in-hand becomes addictive to these businesses.

          There's a promise of thousands of dollars upfront with the possibility that some of these coupons will never be redeemed.

          As of 11:30AM there are 300 sold @ $50 = $15,000. Obviously a percentage goes to the middleman (Webpiggy) and the rest to The Butchers. So even if it's a ridiculous commission like 35% - The Butchers still has $10,000 cash in hand.

          That kind of cash is addictive. Wouldn't surprise me if you keep seeing them do this...

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            jlunar RE: pakmode Feb 11, 2011 08:26 AM

            I can see that. And, aren't they opening a new store? Maybe they figure this would be a good way to finance it... But Isn't there some kind of looming pay-back if they didn't do their math right? I suppose as long as you check that the coupon service is good about refunding money from businesses gone bust, you should be covered!

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              pakmode RE: jlunar Feb 11, 2011 11:14 AM

              Yea as long as they aren't over-leveraged it should be okay. Even financing the new store would work unless obviously cash and customers stop coming in.

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              dmartins123 RE: pakmode Feb 11, 2011 12:15 PM

              I was reading recently that these group buy websites take 50%. That is a big bite.

              Typically, businesses do these group buys on higher margin items, but this is a general coupon good for anything.

              Maybe organic meat is getting cheaper?

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                pakmode RE: dmartins123 Feb 12, 2011 04:06 PM

                Wow. 50% ??
                That's crazy....

                What's even crazier is I just looked at Webpiggy right now and they have sold 1300 as of Day 2. 1300 @ $50 = $65,000. If they were stupid enough to go 50/50 with Webpiggy that's $32,500 cash in hand.

                This is getting Madoff-esque...

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                  Snarf RE: pakmode Feb 14, 2011 08:44 AM

                  You might want to do some basic research before casting such aspersions. The coupon business is very competitive, so the commissions are no where near 50%. Butchers generally have to pay cash on the barrel head to suppliers, so getting paid up front from customers through something like this saves around 10% in carrying costs off the bottom line., which increases when customers take time to use the full value of the coupon.

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                    greygarious RE: Snarf Feb 18, 2011 04:41 PM

                    A few weeks ago I listened to a discussion of the Groupon phenomenon on National Public Radio. Mention was made of the problems that some restaurants face when their Groupon offers are TOO successful. Yes, the business and Groupon split the coupon 50/50. So if a restaurant offers a groupon deal of $100 worth of dining for $50, it only nets $25. Management has to be pretty sure most buyers will order well over $100 worth of food or the offer will drive them deeply into the red.

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            childofthestorm RE: jlunar Feb 11, 2011 11:20 AM

            What do they do well there? I have a coupon, just waiting until I have to go north for some reason.

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              foodyDudey RE: childofthestorm Feb 11, 2011 12:34 PM

              They have great sales on coupons. Maybe you can buy a $20 for $100 coupon with part of your coupon?

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                childofthestorm RE: foodyDudey Feb 11, 2011 06:04 PM

                Mmm coupons...

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            2. TorontoJo RE: jlunar Feb 11, 2011 04:50 PM

              I just used one of my coupons I bought back in December. I picked up about a $160 in meat, about half of which was four nicely marbled striploin steaks at $26.99/lb (not cheap, but similar in price to Bruno's top end cuts and Cumbrae's). Cooked a couple up in the cast iron skillet tonight and I must say that they were really excellent, with great flavour and texture.

              Pork tenderloins were $7.99/lb. Boneless, skinless chicken breasts were $11.99/lb. I also picked up some bone-in pork chops, but I can't recall the price. Given my experience with the steaks tonight, I'll likely go pick up a couple of more webpiggy coupons. Thank goodness for my vacuum sealer and chest freezer!

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                CBlake RE: TorontoJo Feb 11, 2011 06:07 PM

                Would I be correct in assuming you have use your $150 at once?

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                  jmarcroyal RE: CBlake Feb 12, 2011 03:18 AM

                  I bet you have to, which kinda sucks because I dont have all that much freezer space!

                  It would be great to buy for a barbecue or something, but $150 can be a lot of meat. Then again, it could be very little, something tells me these guys have a high mark-up on their products and are resorting to deals like this to trick us thinking we are getting a steal. I could be wrong, maybe organic meats arent that expensive, but there are over 900 people that bought this coupon so far, so that tells me something is up.

                  Its almost like they are having a clearance sale, maybe like someone said these guys just really want that cash up front. I bet there will be more then a few of those 900 people that wont use their coupon for whatever reason. I just dont see how their business can be profitable by offering their goods at 1/3 the price.

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                    TorontoJo RE: CBlake Feb 12, 2011 03:23 AM

                    Actually, no, you don't have to use it all at once. The woman before me got a brisket and asked if the remaining value on her coupon could be used as credit. They said yes. I have no idea how they track it, but there you go.

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                      Yongeman RE: TorontoJo Feb 12, 2011 05:19 AM

                      Oh, that's great to know, TorontoJo. I've purchased a few of these from previous 'deals' and my concern was having to purchase too much at once. I think I'll go in today and try that approach.

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                        Yongeman RE: Yongeman Feb 13, 2011 08:19 AM

                        So I went to The Butcher's today with one of the older coupons ($50 for $100). I had my order up to $46 and asked if I had to spend the whole coupon. The outcome was that they wrote the amount I'd spent and the amount remaining ($54) right on the coupon. No need for a huge freezer order. I'm happy and will probably buy some of the even deeper-discounted coupons.

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                        Pigurd RE: TorontoJo Feb 14, 2011 09:10 AM

                        do u remember how much the entire brisket is? i may get one for the summer to smoke...

                        the deal seems to have been extended by another day as well

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                          TorontoJo RE: Pigurd Feb 14, 2011 09:15 AM

                          I'm sorry, I didn't catch how much the brisket was! All I know is that it was less than $100, because the customer asked if she could use the rest later.

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                      foodyDudey RE: TorontoJo Feb 12, 2011 06:00 AM

                      Thanks for the review TorontoJo - that's all I needed to decide it was time to buy a coupon. I was holding off as I am having a hard time figuring out how they can afford to run a deal like that. But what the heck, in the slim chance they close I'm only down $50.

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                        callitasicit RE: foodyDudey Feb 12, 2011 12:37 PM

                        Is Webpiggy legit?

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                          foodyDudey RE: callitasicit Feb 12, 2011 12:49 PM

                          I don't really know, but if not I expect that I should be able to get a refund from VISA.

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                            jmarcroyal RE: foodyDudey Feb 12, 2011 04:06 PM

                            Webpiggy is legit, I bought their Burger Priest coupons and they worked very, very well. wish i bought more then 4!

                            And thats a good question, if this place sells a thousand coupons and then goes out of business, what happens to the customers?? It sounds like some kind of scheme if thats the case, but if you get the coupon and act fast, atleast you get a good deal.

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                              chocabot RE: jmarcroyal Feb 12, 2011 04:18 PM

                              Depends on the coupon dealer. Some dealers like Dealfind give refunds if the business goes out of business. I know this bc I requested and received a refund from that company.

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                                myriam5555 RE: chocabot Feb 13, 2011 08:36 AM

                                Webpiggy's website states that they will give a full refund if the retailer goes out of business. We've bought two coupons!

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                      Helen RE: jlunar Feb 13, 2011 08:05 PM

                      Anyone know if they dry age their meat?

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                        ylsf RE: Helen Feb 14, 2011 07:39 AM

                        I think they have dry aged meat. I think I saw it mentioned in another forum but not 100% sure.

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                          childofthestorm RE: ylsf Feb 14, 2011 09:15 AM

                          They do dry age - sort of. They dry age for 3 weeks, then wet age, which for me kind of defeats the purpose and I wrinkled my nose a bit. He quickly added that they can do a special order of whatever I want - if I want, say, a prime rib roast dry-aged only for 45 days, all I have to do is ask.

                          I was in there on the weekend, bought a whole organic chicken at $6.99 pound, which is certainly pricey but not in the realm of outrageous. It's a $22 chicken, but with my discount more like $10 which is good value. Cooking it tomorrow night. But they do big business in game meats ranging from bison and quail and venison to more esoteric stuff like alligator. I was told best time to place an order for that stuff is to call on Thursday morning for a weekend pickup. Also, I was there on Sunday afternoon and the store was pretty picked through, and I was advised to come in Saturday morning early when they are full stocked. Oh, and last point on coupon logistics, I only bought $30 out of my $100 coupon and they just stapled the receipt to the coupon and wrote that I still had a $70 credit. Which was great.

                          Met the owner Marlon and the head butcher Eric - he's the guy you ask to speak with for special orders - and they were very nice guys. Staff was pleasant and knowledgeable. I dunno, I got a good vibe from the place, and will be calling on Thursday to do a special order on some venison.

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                            shocked RE: childofthestorm Feb 15, 2011 11:15 AM

                            If they are just writing on your coupon the balance remaining, what stops you from just reprinting a clean, fresh coupon? For their business' sake, I hope they are tracking the coupons internally too, so no one double dips...

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                              Yongeman RE: shocked Feb 15, 2011 01:28 PM

                              The coupons are numbered, which may help.

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                                callitasicit RE: Yongeman Feb 15, 2011 02:34 PM

                                Has anyone frequented the Promenade location?

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                                  ace123 RE: callitasicit Feb 15, 2011 03:41 PM

                                  The Promenade location is no longer in the website.

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                                    callitasicit RE: ace123 Feb 17, 2011 12:35 PM

                                    Damn, I guess I will have to go into Toronto to use my coupon.

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                              ylsf RE: childofthestorm Feb 15, 2011 03:01 PM

                              Can you please post the venison pricing or any other pricing when you find out.

                              There is a thread over at Redflagdeals (shopping discussion forum in particular) where someone is keeping track of prices to make sure they don't suddenly "inflate" for coupon users, so, would be nice to know.

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                                Yongeman RE: ylsf Feb 16, 2011 07:02 AM

                                How can they inflate for coupon users? All prices are posted.

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                                  sbug206 RE: Yongeman Feb 16, 2011 07:20 AM

                                  Ok, there are reports that prices AREN'T posted and when someone went to ask the price, they were asked if they had a coupon.

                                  Are you sure prices are posted? There's a whole threaded started on Redflag to keep track of prices.

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                                    pinkprimp RE: sbug206 Feb 16, 2011 07:22 AM

                                    When I went, they had prices posted for everything (and I used a coupon). This was about 2 weeks ago.

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                                      ace123 RE: pinkprimp Feb 16, 2011 07:58 AM

                                      Was there twice, the last time was last Friday. No price or description for the meat in the glass counter. Only pre-pack items have price.

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                                        pinkprimp RE: ace123 Feb 16, 2011 12:27 PM

                                        oh wow, I guess they changed it soon after my visit. the only price i remember is that the sirloin burgers were 12.99/lb (and they were terrible btw. too much filler)

                                        the hypothetical question in my head now is: if in fact, some retailers (not saying The Butchers are doing this) are changing their prices to manipulate the profits post-coupon discount, is this something the Competition Bureau would be interested in (as per the deceptive marketing practices provisions)?

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                                          sbug206 RE: pinkprimp Feb 16, 2011 12:32 PM

                                          That's exactly what they're doing. It's already been reported that one person went in and bought pork shoulder at $13 /lb and when they called back in it was $6.99/lb. How else is he giving increasing coupon discounts? First it was $25 for $50 then $40 for $100 and now $50 for $150. It's not as if meat is getting cheaper.

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                                            foodyDudey RE: sbug206 Feb 16, 2011 03:57 PM

                                            I think we need to check if prices must be shown on products behind the counter, I have the feeling that they must be displayed.

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                                            ylsf RE: pinkprimp Feb 16, 2011 03:48 PM

                                            Yeah, that is really what I am concerned with, firstly I don't want to get ripped off, second, I don't want to deal with companies that deal with customers like that.

                                            Weird that they would post prices (originally they weren't posted) and then remove them again.

                                            FTD Flowers got busted by consumers on their "groupon" deal. They had a special site for Groupon customers that increased the prices over and above their regular site... geez....

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                                              foodyDudey RE: ylsf Feb 16, 2011 03:54 PM

                                              Why don't a few of us go in on Saturday, maybe 30 minutes apart, and check a few prices? I would never expect that they are quoting different prices based on if you use a coupon or not. But if they are truly doing it, people should know about it. Better yet, just get a price on the phone, have them save the product for you and then go in and use the coupon.

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                                                flying101 RE: foodyDudey Feb 16, 2011 08:45 PM

                                                I called in today to ask for their prices on their game meats, and they instantly asked if I had a coupon and if I did I could only place an order via email because they "Didn't want to hold up the phone lines with coupon customers"

                                                This along with this thread seems like a very fishy way of doing business as they could easily manipulate the prices.

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                                                  TexSquared RE: flying101 Feb 16, 2011 10:24 PM

                                                  This is a general reply, not just in response to flying101's comments...

                                                  This thread is very disturbing indeed. Sounds to me this place is treating their Groupon promo the way restaurants treat 'Licious (that's been beaten to death so I won't dwell on it). A terrible attitude indeed.

                                                  I hope their management reads this. My wife bought one of their deals but we haven't redeemed it yet. Now that we know their secret, and we thank EVERYBODY for exposing these jerks for what they are, we intend to walk in sometime next month, buy our $100 worth of packaged stuff (so the price is already on the items), and vow never to return.

                                                  For once we try to support a local business rather than do our usual (we almost exclusively stock up on meat on cross-border shopping trips to avoid the cartel pricing in Canada), and this is how they'll thank us? It will be first and last time we'll visit these guys, and we will take our future business where it's been earned --- in the USA. Sam's Club and Wegman's don't jack up the prices 50% when a Canadian shopper walks in the door....

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                                                    raybon RE: TexSquared Feb 17, 2011 02:20 PM

                                                    Is fresh from the farm one of these cartels you speak of? How about the good folks that run business' based on buying locally. There are more than enough threads on this board that outline where to buy good beef at reasonable prices that do not come from swift, excel or other large american packers that regularly stock Sams and Wegmans with beef that is untraceable in origin and is most likely jacked up on growth promotants and antibiotics. By all means shop in the USA, just don't say that there is a Canadian Cartel that keeps us from quality, affordable Ontario Beef.

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                                                Yongeman RE: ylsf Feb 16, 2011 05:29 PM

                                                I find this discussion of posted prices a little strange. I've been a semi-regular customer of The Butchers for a couple of years and, as far as I know, prices have always been posted. I was there on Saturday or Sunday and actually didn't notice if they were posted or not. I usually buy the cheaper cuts (ground beef or stewing beef) because we like to eat organic beef, but can't afford the higher-end products. I know that the lean ground beef has been posted at $5.99 and extra-lean at $6.99, having purchased both in the last few months. So there's a benchmark for you in your investigation.

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                                          wontonfm RE: sbug206 Feb 16, 2011 04:31 PM

                                          They often don't have prices for EVERYTHING in their glass cases. That's why I never shopped there when I lived closer. I like to comparison shop and I hate having to ask the price for everything I'm interested in. As someone else mentioned the pre-packed things on the shelves do have prices.

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                                            Vinnie Vidimangi RE: wontonfm Feb 16, 2011 11:56 PM

                                            I checked out the store and prices teh morning that I bought my coupon. Almost everything was priced, but at $7 a lb for chicken, I want to make love to it not eat it . So I cancelled the coupon, notwithstanding the discount, on principle.

                                            Reminded me of teh jewellery business where the typical markup is 3 to 5 times, or teh mattress business with enormous reductions during sales , and sales are the norm.

                                            From all of this , I haven't seen posting (but for one) about taste and quality. There is still a difference, other than price, between Manischewitz and Chateau Je Ne Sais Pas.

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                                              sbug206 RE: Vinnie Vidimangi Feb 17, 2011 04:29 AM

                                              I would urge that everyone cancel their coupons and let them know the reason why. These kinds of business practices are totally unacceptable.

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                                        Benniep RE: ylsf Feb 17, 2011 05:06 AM

                                        When i was there last weekend prices were posted on most things but i wasnt paying attention.

                                        Looking back on it $18 for a 1lb pork tenderloin seems a bit much.

                                        All things considered though for $40 I got 2 pounds of bacon, 1 pound of ground chicken, 2 racks of ribs, 2 pounds of stew meat and 1 pork tenderloin.

                                        I have enjoyed everything I have had from there so far and dont feel ripped off...even if the price did change I got solid value for what I paid.

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                                          Pigurd RE: Benniep Feb 17, 2011 05:30 AM

                                          I dont think the game meat counter at the st lawrence market lists prices either, maybe it is like resturants with a "market" price? though, the fact they ask if you have a coupon before giving u a price is a little strange.. did anyone just say they didnt have the coupon, get the price for the items in the store and then show them the coupon? it doesnt say u need to annouce it before purchases...

                                          Here are the prices people listed on redflags:

                                          Lean Ground Beef: $5.99/lb

                                          Extra Lean Ground Beef: $6.99-$7.99/lb

                                          Striploin/Ribeye $25.99-$26.99/lb

                                          NY steaks $25 each 4 week dry aged, 2.5 inch thick(Unsure of weight)

                                          Beef Tenderloin: $27.99-34.99/lb

                                          Stewing Beef: $9.99-$10.99/lb

                                          Veal Chop $21.99/lb

                                          Rack of Lamb: $24.00-39.75 for a rack(Unsure of weight)

                                          Marinated chicken breasts $10.99/lb

                                          Whole Organic Chicken $6.99/lb (About $22 for a Chicken)

                                          Duck marinated $8.99/lb

                                          Pork tenderloins $7.99/lb

                                          Sausage: $5.00-5.50 per or $10.99/lb

                                          Bacon: $9.99/lb

                                          Kangaroo $39.99/lb

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                                            00CP RE: Pigurd Feb 17, 2011 08:56 AM

                                            http://forums.redflagdeals.com/butche...

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                                              00CP RE: 00CP Feb 17, 2011 09:15 AM

                                              $15.99/LB for Lamb Shoulder

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                                                Helen RE: 00CP Feb 17, 2011 01:08 PM

                                                I called today to order veal shanks for Osso Buco and asked the price, was told $12.99 lb. I don't think that's exorbitant for the veal.

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                                                  callitasicit RE: Helen Feb 17, 2011 02:56 PM

                                                  Are their prepared meals any good because I am planning to buy some with my coupon.

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                                                    ylsf RE: Helen Feb 17, 2011 05:20 PM

                                                    Are you going to use a coupon to purchase it? Curious if they asked you if you had a coupon?

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                                                      Helen RE: ylsf Feb 17, 2011 05:44 PM

                                                      They didn't ask and I'm not going to give my coupon(s) until it comes time to pay:)

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                                  2. zukeeper RE: jlunar Feb 18, 2011 07:52 AM

                                    I have 2 of the older coupons. Called them a few minutes ago, he sounded very harried. Venison shoulder is $15.99/lb; he didn't ask if I had a coupon. Bison he can get, but I have to call back for the price...

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                                      ylsf RE: jlunar Feb 25, 2011 04:20 AM

                                      These deals are getting pretty crazy for THe Butchers. They are on Dealfind today and it is $55 for $175!!!!!!!!!

                                      Really wonder what the deal is... I haven't been myself to use a voucher from a past deal so I will wait until I buy some meat there first before getting another one. THe saying "If it sounds too good to be true....." is in my head right now..

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                                        jlunar RE: ylsf Feb 25, 2011 05:54 AM

                                        O_o Crazy. I guess they really like the influx of cash it brings. Just wonder if it will all come crashing down, but who knows? Maybe this totally works for them.

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                                          foodyDudey RE: jlunar Feb 25, 2011 05:59 AM

                                          If they start asking WHICH coupon you have before quoting a price, we will know it's gone too far...

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                                        chrispi RE: jlunar Feb 25, 2011 06:15 AM

                                        I purchased one of the first deals they offered (can't remember which site it was on) but it was for $25 for $50 worth of organic and naturally raised meat. When I went to The Butchers to buy meat about a month ago I was surprised that there were no prices displayed on any of the meats in the display cases. There was a man and a woman behind the counter. This was my first ever visit to The Butchers and my first time using a 'group-on' (again, I can't remember which site I bot it from) type of voucher so I wasn't exactly sure about the usage specifics and asked the man "do I have to spend the entire $50 all at once". He replied "no" that they would keep track of the balance. So, even though he didn't ask if I was using a voucher, by me asking the question he knew I had one. I then ordered 3 large (the man said they were organic) chicken breasts and 3 sausages (2 turkey and one meat). The order came to $55 and I gave him $5 cash. Not having purchased organic meat before (the main reason I purchased the voucher - in order to try it and at a discount) and not knowing the prices, I did find the bill expensive for the amount of meat that I got. When I got home I realized that he never gave me a bill (I did give him my $50 voucher and the $5 cash) and none of the baggies that the meats were individually wrapped in had any stickers/labels on them indicating type of meat, weight, price - THAT IS VERY STRANGE as every butcher or grocery store I have ever bought meat from has had a machine that weighs the meat and prints out a label.

                                        Given:
                                        - the absence of prices on the meat in the display cases,
                                        - no individual labels on the baggies (indicating content, weight and price) holding the purchased meat and
                                        - no final/total receipt being given
                                        - several other posters having similiar experiences
                                        I distrust this establishment.

                                        It leads me to believe that if you are using a voucher the prices will be inflated.In fact, with this experience how can I even believe that I am getting organic or naturally raised meat With such deceptive pricing tactics the quickest and easiest way for them to pad their profits is to offer non-organic meats at organic prices.

                                        I will NOT be shopping there again !

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                                          TexSquared RE: chrispi Feb 25, 2011 06:48 AM

                                          Seems to me there are two "classes" of customers at this place:

                                          1- Local regulars who the staff recognize. These people get excellent service and fair prices. All of the "fans" who have boasted of great service/prices/quality above, are likely in this group.

                                          2- Occasionals/first timers arriiving with group deal coupon in hand. These people get ripped off so the store can recoup the unusually huge discounts. You never see restaurants with group deals that good, and you know they already have huge markups (especially on drinks), so they would still win even with a 50% off coupon. So you can just imagine the artificially inflated markups this butcher shop is adding...

                                          Do they still have items with prices already attached to them? We will limit our purchases to these items (and even then, can we trust the weights on the sticker to be correct? I'm tempted to bring my own scale with me to check...)

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                                            Benniep RE: TexSquared Feb 25, 2011 07:05 AM

                                            I don't know about that, i have bought organic chicken breasts from the Healthy Butcher and been shocked at the price (came out to like $22 for two, insane)...so 3 big ones, 3 sausages+tax, yeah $55 is high but not impressible given the type of product

                                            I had never been there before, had the coupon obviously in my hand, and for my $35 for $100 worth of meat got a lot of stuff (2 large racks of ribs, 1 pound of ground chicken, 1.5 pound stew meat, 1 pork tenderloin, 2 pounds bacon) for my money that is solid value for $35 and thats really all i care about

                                            Everything had a sticker with the cost on it

                                            Not saying i am certain that this isnt true, it may well be, but i am still not really convinced that this is some massive scam

                                            and you know, there is always the option of just not buying coupons if you arent convinced the value is there, may be easier then going into a butcher shop with a scale in hand, just saying...

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                                              Yongeman RE: Benniep Feb 25, 2011 07:29 PM

                                              I think you've given the best advice of all, Benniep: " there is always the option of just not buying coupons if you arent convinced the value is there".
                                              There is a lot of speculation and innuendo from people who are new to The Butchers. Organic meat is very expensive, as noted by several people who have shopped at The Healthy Butcher. Personally, I've shopped there for a couple of years and really like the operation as well as the people. I've bought a number of coupons and plan to eat well over the next year or so.

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                                                Helen RE: Yongeman Feb 25, 2011 07:39 PM

                                                I echo that

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                                              1sweetpea RE: TexSquared Feb 25, 2011 07:40 AM

                                              Just to provide a baseline, I have only shopped there one time and it was last summer, long before the coupon deals were being offered. I was a weekday and I was the only person in the store, other than the female behind the counter. I recall some items having prices, others written on a daily specials-type board and still others with no prices. I bought some turkey sausages and a pork tenderloin without asking their prices. I recall being pretty shocked at the total cost, though I don't know the exact number. The prices were handwritten on the butcher paper wrappers. I didn't complain because I had not specifically asked the prices before choosing. Though in theory, I wanted to return to purchase game and other specialty cuts of organic meat, I haven't been back because the prices are a bit tough to swallow.

                                              All I want to point out is that last summer, when no massive coupon deals were in effect (I believe), prices were only sporadically available without the customer having to ask or confirm. Prices were uniformly high (I think I paid upwards of $5.99 per turkey sausage). I will say that both the sausages and the pork tenderloin were of a much higher quality than anything I've bought at Loblaws that wasn't organic and absolutely fresh on the day of purchase.

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                                                pinstripeprincess RE: 1sweetpea Feb 25, 2011 08:01 AM

                                                but... compared to organic product how does it compare? or even just naturally raised?

                                                i've paid $90 for 3 racks of ribs from healthy butcher... it was ridiculous and i was embarrassed not to take it. was the meat that much higher quality to warrant the price, no. i'm more fond of the naturally raised over the "organic" label that has its own moments of dubiousness regardless of the person selling it. i'd love for someone to tell me more about the meat than just their prices, like where are these animals coming from?

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                                                  aser RE: pinstripeprincess Feb 25, 2011 10:27 AM

                                                  When I discussed w/ Marlon a year ago, they were getting their chicken from Fenwood Farms. HB uses them also.

                                                  Yes I find the value lacking in certain products at both places. HB is ridiculously expensive on most things, I rather get my chicken at Gasparros. Then again HB can get really outstanding pork such as Iron Age, that no other vendors are carrying. For that they're worth it.

                                                  I'll be going to The Butchers tomorrow to redeem a coupon, we'll see how that goes. Generally, my meat shopping is spread between Gasparros, Sannagan's and Fiesta.

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                                                    pinstripeprincess RE: aser Feb 25, 2011 10:36 AM

                                                    does sanagan's not have iron age? i was pretty sure they could bring that in but it's been a while since i've asked them about breeds.

                                                    generally perth pork definitely has iron age (just had the chop in my freezer from may and it was spectacular, favourite breed blending so far) so whom ever they supply to would have it as well.

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                                                      aser RE: pinstripeprincess Feb 25, 2011 10:06 PM

                                                      it's a special order for Sanagan's, so you can't just swing in and buy a chop or two. I've never seen it "off the rack", even then HB doesn't get it often.

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                                                      aser RE: aser Feb 26, 2011 05:49 PM

                                                      Some variation in prices compared to what's listed in that pdf.

                                                      rump roast = $13.99 instead of $10.99
                                                      oxtail = $7.99 instead of $12.99

                                                      Got a rump roast, 2 lamb sausages ($10.99/lb), 2 mex sausages ($7.99/lb), ground pork ($6.99/lb), bacon ($10.99/lb). Everything totaled up to $65, some things had printed sticker prices placed on bag, others didn't. It seems only one of the two scales out front printed out sticker labels. Didn't see any duck/venison/rabbit in the display shelves. Prime cut steaks like striploin etc were individually wrapped in styrofoam trays on the back fridge.

                                                      Cooking the rump roast now, we'll see what the quality is.

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                                              chrispi RE: jlunar Feb 25, 2011 08:10 AM

                                              The dealfind discussion board is quite active today with today's deal
                                              http://www.dealfind.com/discuss.php?D...

                                              They just posted a price list
                                              http://www.dealfind.com/deals/thebutc...

                                              but I then asked the following question that I'm waiting for a reply on:

                                              Hi, can you confirm whether ALL their meat, and in particular their chicken is either organic or naturally raised ?

                                              Do they even sell NON-organic or NON-naturally raised chicken ? Since its difficult (if not impossible for me atleast) to visually determine whether chicken is organic or naturally raised I want to ensure that there will be no confusion when I order chicken as to whether it is organic or naturally raised and of course, if they don't sell chicken that is NON-organic or NON-naturally raised then there will be absolutely no confusion.
                                              Thanks.

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                                                jlunar RE: chrispi Feb 25, 2011 08:34 AM

                                                No expiry... today's deal sounds really good on dealfind...

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                                                  aser RE: chrispi Feb 25, 2011 10:42 AM

                                                  I haven't seen non organic/non naturally raised stuff in there in the past.

                                                  Interesting to see the price list, in the same ballpark as Healthy Butcher.

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                                                  chrispi RE: jlunar Feb 27, 2011 07:28 AM

                                                  They are up to 8685 $175 vouchers now. How the heck are they going to keep that much (non-frozen) inventory in stock to satisfy demand that they don't know when it will be coming in since the voucher has no expiry. I know there will be an initial flood of people coming in but how do you plan your stock after that if you are the store.

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                                                    ThreeEm RE: jlunar Feb 27, 2011 10:14 AM

                                                    i went there to scout it out. so dodgy.

                                                    there were no prices listed. when someone asked about a price the owner first asked if she had a coupon. when i called him on the lack of prices he gave some excuse about how he was shorthanded that day which meant that he wasn't able to put them out. total pants.

                                                    speaking to two separate people behind the counter about the lack of selection and quality of cuts (which admittedly could have been a fluke), they both said something to the effect of "come back on the weekend where the selection is better". the exact same line? i GTFO. i'm not saying don't buy from them but i am saying red flags are popping up everywhere and there's no way i will.

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                                                      aser RE: ThreeEm Feb 27, 2011 03:51 PM

                                                      Not doubting you but on Saturday, prices were listed for everything.

                                                      If you went before that, they might've responded to the negative feedback and are more on top of labeling their display cases.

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                                                      Folks, there's a lot of speculation going on in this thread and very little discussion about the quality of product, so we're going to lock it now. If you wish to discuss the product available at The Butchers, please feel free to start another thread.

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