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Wow that server is CUTE ... does it matter?

Ok., here is the deal.. Basicly, one of my fave restaurants have been going down hill termendously.. Started off with food, then they added some type of very trashy soup and sald bar type thing.. Now the service...

OVERWHELMINGLY, both male and females have told me they are not going to that restaurant because they are now hiring unattractive servers. I will agree the new hires are not beatiful and slightly slopy for the type of place, but do a half decent job..

How important is the appreacance of servers? put aside the food portion just a little

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    1. re: purple bot

      You know purple.. as dumb as it sounds .. I heard that from at least 30 people that were die hard regulars of this place.... I am talking age group 20 -70 all said the same thing.. the servers look horrible and trashy now.. I reall like _____ they were soo cute.

      I will agree I have gone to some place because of a cute waitress, but would not leave a place because of that... I have done some advertising bussines with that place in the past I watned some feedback on here.

      1. re: Augie6

        You actually know, to solicit from, "at least 30 people" opinions of this place? I am doubting.
        I am not a beautiful person, probably even ugly, but I am neat and clean and I know my food. Would I prefer someone like me as a server or a hottie-pottie dumb as a rock? Well, can you guess?

        1. re: Quine

          I think your comment "I am neat and clean" would be the end of the discussion for me. I want a server who knows the menu, can talk the wine list, and doesn't make me uncomfortable when I think they might be handling my food.

          If the OP is equating "cute" with "clean", then yes, it matters. Otherwise, I'd say no.

          1. re: Quine

            I know alot more than 30 people that go there.. I ran there marketing campaign and live 2 miles of the place..

        2. re: purple bot

          Unfortunatly, presentation matters, from plating to how well the FOH dresses. Given the choice between good service from a less attractive server or bad service from a more attractive server, I'd go with the better service every time but all things being equal, I'd rather be served by Margo (sp) Hemmingway rather than Ernest. Hooters doesn't have lines because of the food. Men, I'm sorry to admit, are pigs.

          1. re: purple bot

            I'm taking this question seriously because like it or not we do often judge people on their appearance. Do I personally care if someone has model looks? No. But I do care if someone is sloppy or has greasy hair. If a person doesn't care enough to be polished and put together for work, how am I supposed to assume they'll take their job seriously? Also, I admit it's a personal bias of mine but I do not want to be staring at my waiter's gazillion tattoos. I understand to expect this if I'm in the village but it does strike me as unprofessional. Don't get me started on facial piercings! Yes, I realize there is a difference between seeing a chin piercing on my waiter at a hole in the wall versus at Le Cirque but still... forget a restaurant setting... it's just gross. I guess it also has something to do with the fact that I've had students fiddle with their piercings in ways that are often unhygenic.... shudder.... :}

            1. re: NicoleFriedman

              Is there a valid difference between facial piercings and ear piercings being "gross"?

              For the record, I have no facial piercings. I'm just curious.

          2. Doesnt matter to me. I go for the food.

            Couldnt care less if the server is "cute". Do care if they're not good at their job.

            1. By posting this on a food board, I will bet that the majority of CHers will say that looks don't matter. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who will say that they do. I've known plenty of people who would go to this place for mediocre food because it's staffed by models.

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              1. re: Miss Needle

                I honestly feel that I don't notice this sort of thing ever, but you're right - I know many folks who do and avoid some of the spots I like because the staff (or even the clientele!) isn't hot enough

                1. re: Miss Needle

                  Or boobs. As long as the women are decent looking the guys will go for boobage:}

                2. I will agree the new hires are not beatiful and slightly slopy [sic] for the type of place
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                  looks are one thing, slovenliness is another. i don't care if you bear a striking resemblance to Hellboy as long as you keep yourself neat & clean. but if you're really sloppy or dirty-looking (or reek of cigarette smoke), then yes, i have a problem with it.

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                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                    Reminds me of the local chain burrito place where the joke is that you need a minimum of five tattoos and three facial piercings to work there. But if you look past the eyebrow rings, the employees keep their work shirts clean, in good condition, and tucked in, fingernails are always clean, long hair is properly and attractively secured, and there are apparently corporate rules regarding the condition and colors of pants and shoes they wear to work that they have to follow.

                    Some of the employees are pretty, some are average, but all manage to come across as competent as you need to be for counter service Americanized Mexican and happy with their jobs.

                    1. re: beachmouse

                      yep - that's all fine with me. i'm far more concerned with your hygiene than i am with your body art & jewelry. unfortunately, i think it's also a matter of tolerance and what you've been exposed to. i know some close-minded people who see tattoos & piercings and automatically assume the person is a dirtbag. sadly judgmental and unfair, but reality.

                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                        To assume someone is a "dirtbag" is very extreme. However, if you are willing to modify your body with tattoos and/or facial piercings other than earings, you are making a statement about how you want to be viewed by society. While tattoos and piercings have become more mainstream in the last few decades, they are still somewhat "anti-establishment". People who choose to do these things to themselves should know the consequences of their actions; no one is forcing them to inject the ink into their arms. That doesn't mean the consequence should be shunning, but that doesn't mean that you should be viewed as the height of "clean cut" and "professional" either. Try showing up to an interview with Donald Trump with a chin or lip piercing. And Donald Trump would be in the right to show you the door.

                        1. re: NicoleFriedman

                          I find that a little bit unfair. I choose to wear a facial piercing. I had the jewellery made for it especially in gold with a rare type of sapphire from my own collection. I am a Registered Nurse and I believe (and have had feedback from my patients and colleagues via my superiors) that I work in a very professional manner and all of my actions can be viewed as being the height of professional. I get many curious questions from my patients about my piercing as it is a bit unusual and due to my darker features many assume it is a cultural thing. No one forced me to put it there, I choose to wear it but I am also viewed as being at the height of my workplaces professional standards. Oh yeah, I graduated in the top 5 of my class, have received academic awards and commendation from the Dean of my university on several occasions. I also work in the top tertiary hospital of my state in a demanding area. No employer is showing me the door anytime soon with my professional achievements so far.

                          1. re: TheHuntress

                            TheHuntress- Being in the top 5 of your class in an incredible achievement; I know because a good friend of mine went through medical school and I saw the torture up close. I'm just being honest- I would rather not have a nurse or a doctor with any facial piercings. I admit this is a bias of mine. I do associate them with unprofessionalism and in the medical field, with poor hygiene. To be fair, I am putting my life in my doctor's hands.

                            1. re: NicoleFriedman

                              You have every right to request a health professional or a server without visible piercings or tattoos, if that is what would make you feel comfortable. I just know that I provide professional care, am (ironically) the hand hygeine nazi of my ward and have saved my own fair share of lives - piercing or no piercing. If I honestly thought I could be better at what I do without it I would remove it; I take my role very seriously. To be fair having a piercing does not change ones ability to save lives or provide good service.

                              At the end of the day we all have our own opinions to which we are all entitled - it would be very boring otherwise :)

                          2. re: NicoleFriedman

                            In the same way... if someone chooses to alter their appearance by dying there hair or getting hair plugs or doing any type of cosmetic surgery... try showing up to a dump trump interview and he'll open the door....????

                            1. re: chickenbruiser

                              And Let Joan Rivers Win Top Celebrity Apprentice!
                              I do not think that anyone can argue that anyone else has more body modifications for cosmetic sake that Joan. Bad straw man, sorry Nicole.

                              And TheHuntress shows that being the best of the best is NOT altered by how one chooses to present theirselves.

                              1. re: Quine

                                +1 and +1 to Quine and TheHuntress

                                :)

                                1. re: chickenbruiser

                                  TY. Can I now show you a spin off thread started on this board

                                2. re: Quine

                                  Shucks, Quine, thank you for the compliment, but I am certainly not the best of the best. I work with some truly amazing and aspirational people and I hope with experience I can one day be as good as they are.

                                  I just don't believe in judging a book by its cover. I have never had a patient judge me for my piercing. Maybe one day it will happen, but I hope that the care that I provide them will change that judgement. In keeping with the thread I think importance lay within people taking self pride, rather than being 'cute' or 'attractive'. One can still be professional and provide good service regardless of age, weight etc. However being clean and neat goes a long way in the service industry.

                                  1. re: TheHuntress

                                    i'm looking for the piercings on your photo. where are they again?

                                    1. re: alkapal

                                      It's on the bridge of my nose, in between my eyes. It's probably difficult to see because I have olive skin and the ring is gold and set with a pinkish/orange sapphire - it doesn't actually contrast against my skin. I do tend to get a very positive response to it, like I mentioned most people seem to think it is cultural and ask questions out of curiosity. I have also found that within the context of the speciality in which I work our demographic is young adults, particularly men, and for them it helps them feel a bit more comfortable and able to relate to me, rather than being a big, scary, clinical looking nurse. I also find that us Aussies are a pretty laid back bunch in general and are less likely to care about such things (within a reasonable context) over here.

                                      1. re: TheHuntress

                                        maybe you are hypnotizing them. "here, gaze into my sapphire and forget abut your excruciating pain." ;-).

                              2. re: NicoleFriedman

                                I'm still not seeing how you connect tattoos with being "unprofessional". If I was a server (a "professional" one, at that) or anything else, for that matter -- my tattoos will not affect how or if I perform my job. Hygiene is important of course, but saying I'm unprofessional because I have tattoos and you don't like them is just plain silly. What if I'm a blonde, and a "bleached" one at that (the horror!), and you don' t like fake blond hair? What if I have a ring through my lip? Does it matter that I have an advanced degree in wine? Am I still "unprofessional" if I have both?

                                (I have none of those, but you see my point.)

                                If Donald Trump wants to show me to the door, or request a "clean-cut" preppie in my stead, it would be his loss. Nevermind that the man is not exactly the pinnacle of masculine beauty himself -- really, we're supposed to take the hair seriously? But we should dismiss with disgust a nose piercing?

                                1. re: purple bot

                                  pruple bot.. I think the stigma from tatoos and piercing can come from alot of different places.. In some older generations, tatoos were considered more of a rebelous outlaw mark rather than today's art expression. Pericings were not even a thought to them

                                  1. re: purple bot

                                    We'll have to agree to disagree. I do see having a lip ring as unprofessional. There is a big difference between dyed hair and facial piercings. I'm not out to stymie anyone's personal creativity; how people want to dress is their business. However, if there wasn't a line of profesisonal appearance that can be crossed, then we should all be going to work in sandals and short shorts.... but we don't.

                                    1. re: NicoleFriedman

                                      lip ring, nose ring, pierced tongue -- all unprofessional in MY OPINION.

                                      1. re: alkapal

                                        Since Nicole opted not to answer my question, perhaps you can. What's the difference between a hole in my ear and a hole in my nose?

                                        No, I don't have any facial piercings.

                                        1. re: invinotheresverde

                                          "What's the difference between a hole in my ear and a hole in my nose?"

                                          It's probably a bias coming from the fact that discharges from the earlobe are much less common that those from the nose.

                                          1. re: dump123456789

                                            I don't see how discharge from the nose is any less gross or more hygienic from a server who doesn't have a piercing from one that does.

                                            1. re: reatard

                                              It isn't. However, having an obvious puncture in one's nose may cause people to make associations with punctures in general, which usually involve discharges. Since the nose is commonly associated with discharges related to ill health, that can create a negative mental link for some diners. No puncture, no association, no negative mental link.

                                              I'm conjecturing that it's a subconcious association, hence the use of the word "bias".

                                            2. re: dump123456789

                                              Are you talking about ick coming out of the hole itself or the nostrils?

                                              1. re: invinotheresverde

                                                Nostrils. As I said above, I think it might be a subconcious mental link.

                                            3. re: invinotheresverde

                                              <What's the difference between a hole in my ear and a hole in my nose?>

                                              Acclimation. Most people are used seeing pierced ears (and in 10ish years, they'll be used to seeing pierced noses & eyebrows, too). Chowhound circa 1937 would have been full of "And my waitress was wearing PANTS! Can you IMAGINE? I thought it completely unprofessional. Not to mention indecent."

                                              1. re: small h

                                                That's kind of along what I'd been thinking. It's simple bias based on nothing, really.

                                                1. re: small h

                                                  Do you think pierced noses and eyebrows will have the same kind of staying power as pants on women ? Because I've been noticing a decrease in that among my students (except for the South Asians).

                                                  1. re: dump123456789

                                                    I think the small jeweled nose stud or the skinny ring through the eyebrow is probably here to stay. But the big ol' spiky-chainy stuff does seem to be abating, as you say. I spent several years gazing out over a sea of porcupines in my own classes; I'm seeing a lot less hardware these days.

                                                    1. re: small h

                                                      I don't think they even let women in the NYU dorms if they don't have a facial piercing.

                                                      1. re: reatard

                                                        When you go to get your ID picture taken, you can get a hole drilled through your face right then and there. It's a real time saver, and a valuable service. (Full disclosure: Five holes in my own earlobes, and one ankle tattoo. And I couldn't care less how someone else chooses to decorate her body.)

                                                      2. re: small h

                                                        I agree that the nose stud will probably stay, but I don't think the nose or eyebrow ring will. The difference being the former can be varied (while still being discreet), whereas the latter cannot. The lack of variation eventually gets monotonous and becomes a cliche ("poser"), rather than a form of self-expression.

                                              2. re: NicoleFriedman

                                                Out of curiosity, would you mind waxing poetic about the difference between dyed hair and facial piercings?

                                                1. re: invinotheresverde

                                                  Dyed hair doesn't remind one of Pinhead in Hellraiser.

                                                  1. re: dump123456789

                                                    I think I'm too young to get that reference. ;)

                                                    1. re: invinotheresverde

                                                      Well, that certainly makes me feel old. It's from a 1987 horror movie. Google Image "pinhead hellraiser". (It wouldn't be appropriate to link an image here.)

                                                      1. re: dump123456789

                                                        So, I Googled. Sorry, but a discreet stud in the nose doesn't much resemble that dude to me ( I know you were being extreme, but still).

                                                        1. re: invinotheresverde

                                                          Yes, I was just being silly. And I don't think nose studs would remind anyone of Pinhead, but eyebrow rings/barbells, lip rings, tongue barbells and earlobe extenders might.

                                    2. Is the name of this mystery restaurant Hooters?

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                                      1. re: invinotheresverde

                                        Basicly, one of my fave restaurants have been going down hill termendously.. Started off with food
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                                        if the food was good before, then i'm guessing no ;)