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Feb 3, 2011 06:53 PM

What is Central South? OK - Birmingham I Think Now

I was in the wrong board. Tks, Cyndi

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  1. A name that many of us who live in the area think is non-descriptive and makes no sense.

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    1. re: decolady

      Yes. That confused me. I'm in NC, but I thought I was under Central as we are central on the East coast looking at the map. Then, I found Southeast I think it was. I've never used either term to describe my area. I think of my area as the Carolinas - North and South at the broadest.

    2. When you display the list of topics in a board, the states (or area) included in the board are shown at the top right under the name of the board.

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      1. re: nsxtasy

        Still, it isn't a logical title for this area. Papa Chow don't care though...

        1. re: Clarkafella

          Yes. I thought Central South would include NC. It's in the center of the East Coast. That's what I was thinking.

          My original question was about why the Deep South states were also included, but then I figured out that I'm Southeast.

          Around here, we'd say we are from the Carolinas and if adding another state, I'd guess Virginia. We think of Georgia as being more Deep South here along with the coastal/gulf states, but that may not be how folks in those parts think of it.

          1. re: CyndiA

            I dunno, I think that the board monitors must be Canadian; and they are mad that nobody down here knows where Saskatchewan is.

            1. re: CyndiA

              The problem is that Central South isn't a real term, it's something that CH made up. The old way worked fine, I thought, when we had the "South" board.

              I disagree about everyone saying that they're from the "Carolinas". If I were to describe where I'm from beyond saying North Carolina, I'd say the South. North and South Carolina are quite distinct in terms of culture: political, gastronomic, you name it. Native North Carolinians tend to see South Carolina as an eccentric cousin. Definitely a relative, but we're not telling if no one's asking.

              1. re: Naco

                Being from one of the "Fornia's" (South) I would say it really doesn't make a lot of difference once you get the geographic boundaries sorted out. Unless of course someone out in the Fornia's ever made the grievous error of saying they were from "Cali" - and then they would have Sam chiming in down Colombia way saying he was in Cali and what part of Colombia did they like best? ;-D>

                1. re: Servorg

                  I don't really follow you. My point was that the South is subdivided on CH into arbitrary subregions, which are then given names that no one uses in real life. And there really isn't enough forum traffic to support this division in the first place.

                  1. re: Naco

                    If you are trying to pull in various regions to make a board then you'll need to come up with a name that doesn't exist anywhere (since you are make a new geographic region from scratch). What matters is that you give some guidance about what cities/counties/states your "new" region covers - which CH does.

                    As to not enough traffic. Out lying areas are always going to be lighter on traffic. But if you put everything together in one super region then a lot of posters are going to get very frustrated when so much of what gets written up is going to be outside their normal circle of travel.

                    1. re: Servorg

                      "If you are trying to pull in various regions to make a board"

                      That's not what has happened- quite the opposite. Until recently, we had the "South" board, which covered the entire region, using its actual name. Since then, the South has been artificially subdivided. Some of the boards, like the Kentucky/Tennessee board, have very little traffic.

                      1. re: Naco

                        People complained on CH with some vigor over the years that "big" boards like the South board got dominated by a few cities. So if you lived outside the city you were constantly having posts about places you weren't interested in because they were too far away. So the board realignment was undertaken to give the "heavier" areas (due to population density) their own, more focused boards. Now people are having trouble because that means some outlying areas don't get enough traffic. There will never, ever be a geographic alignment that will satisfy everyone. It just can't be done.

                        1. re: Servorg

                          Except for the fact that isn't what happened. New Orleans already had its own board- the only city specific board to emerge out of the old South board was Atlanta. There were never many posts about Atlanta on the old board, and the new board is a ghost town. The old South board was basically dominated by the Triangle, Charleston, Charlotte, and Richmond, in that order, with a steady but smaller stream about Birmingham and the occasional bit on Atlanta. The current Southeast board is still a mega region and still dominated by the Triangle,Charleston and Charlotte(although Charlotte posts seem on the decline), with the aforementioned other bits ghettoized on new boards with low traffic. Although I'm in eastern NC(very much an outlying area), I never had a problem with the old format. The Triangle, Charlotte, and Richmond are relatively close together, and there was never enough volume related to Birmingham to be annoying. The problem with the lack of discussion in outlying areas is primarily lack of posters. Essentially the discussion is what you make of it. I would not want eastern NC to have it own board, as it would be DOA, and in any case many of us go to the Triangle often anyway.

                    2. re: Naco

                      In sub-dividing the South board, we were attempting to give breathing room to a variety of regions, in hopes of making them more interesting and focused, keeping in mind the existing traffic related to those regions and trying to create a new set of boards that would all have enough traffic to be viable and enough interest to grow more popular. It wasn't, I admit, entirely successful, but that was the goal.

                      There weren't existing regional boundaries that really corresponded well to the existing traffic patterns. I didn't want to use an existing term with an existing meaning but apply it to a different grouping of states -- I felt that would be more confusing to people, who would expect the name to mean what they already know it to mean, and not something different.

                      -- Jacquilynne, Community Manager for Chowhound

                      1. re: Jacquilynne

                        The problem is that the CH regions aren't real regions. You either need to be flatly descriptive- as you've done with the Kentucky/Tennessee board- or eschew the faux regions altogether. Coining your own region names is about the most confusing solution I could think of. And muddying the waters even further is the fact that North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia are referred to as "Southeast", which *is* a term in existing use, and one that refers to the entire region. There's no internal logic to the divisions.

                        I don't mean to be too hard on you, but soliciting input from the community would probably have helped here, as people from out of the area are unlikely to be familiar with the physical and cultural geography of the region.

                        1. re: Naco

                          I'm still thinking that "Deep South" might work better...

                          1. re: Clarkafella

                            As long as NC and SC are on the same board. My thinking was to add Georgia to "Central South" and rename it Deep South. NC and SC could form a Carolinas board. There is a lot of back and forth between NC and SC, so they should definitely be on the same board. Many of the posts about Asheville come from people in South Carolina, and many of the Charleston posts come from North Carolinians, and so on.

                            In my ideal world though, we'd have Virginia back in the South. I never post about Virginia any more because it's on a different board, swamped by posts about Delaware and Maryland.

                            1. re: Naco

                              Completely agree.

                              The only plus of Georgia being with the Carolinas is for N-S interstate travel questions.

                            2. re: Clarkafella

                              >> I'm still thinking that "Deep South" might work better...

                              But that term makes me think of Georgia and Florida (which aren't on that board) and doesn't make me think of Arkansas (which is).

                              I'm not saying Central South is a great name. But I don't think Deep South is necessarily any better.

                              I think the basic problem is that the boundaries were rather arbitrary and don't represent any regions which have wide connotations elsewhere.

                              Personally, I think they might have been better off including Arkansas with Kentucky and Tennessee on one forum, and leaving the other three Gulf Coast states (LA/MS/AL) in another forum. Then each of those two forums could have been simply named after they three states they comprise, which would at least be less confusing. Same thing for the board that should have been named "Georgia and Carolinas" instead of "Southeast".

                              1. re: nsxtasy

                                Hi nsxtasy.Agree with you, I have spend hour's looking to post for Virginia with no avail,perhaps you can tell me how to find the right place,wer'e going there next month and would like a few good places to eat.Thank's ahead of time.

                                1. re: mutti

                                  Mid-Atlantic is where you'll find Virginia.

                              2. re: Clarkafella

                                I don't think anyone in NC would say we're Deep South. I'm not even sure about South Carolina. With NC right on that line and having a lot in common with VA (esp the western) part, we seem . . . uhm . . . a little less southern maybe. Folks here would agree we are southern but just not Deep South. We're kind of southern lite I'd say. It does depend on the specific city/town too though.

                                1. re: CyndiA

                                  I grew up in Charleston, SC. When I moved to Mississippi, everybody here thought I was a yankee because of my accent.

              2. Just want to add one point. There are two different issues being discussed here. One is where the geographical boundaries of forums are located. The other is the names associated with the forums, given those geographical boundaries. Both are legitimate issues.

                Changing the name of a forum - not its geographical boundaries, but simply its name - is a relatively simple matter, from the standpoint of the effort needed to implement it. I would hope that the Chowhound Team would consider this for any forum whose residents would like to have its name changed.

                I also hope that the Chowhound Team is working on another restructuring of the geographical boundaries, as the previous one was not entirely successful. The need to do so in various places (not just Central South) has been noted in other discussions here in Site Talk by residents of the affected areas. This includes creating new forums for specific metro areas (NC Triangle, Detroit, St Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland) as well as rearranging some of the boundaries that currently don't make sense (NYC suburbs in a separate forum from the rest of NY State, preferably two with one for Long Island and another for Westchester etc that also includes Fairfield County CT).