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burgeoningfoodie Feb 3, 2011 05:08 AM

Did I hear or read something recently about the Carnegie disappearing soon? If this is true, can we start a Back To The Future campaign to save the carnegie?

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    CatoUWS Feb 3, 2011 08:51 AM

    All I've seen was a short piece in the Post about two weeks ago. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/ma... .

    Nothing more recent, and nothing (other than a similar piece from an on-line news service the same day) shows up in Google News.

    Anyone been to the Carnegie lately?

    1. princeofpork Feb 3, 2011 05:09 PM

      Of all the great delis in the city, this one is just a tourist trap. No need to save this one.

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        gutsofsteel Feb 3, 2011 06:12 PM

        That is just not true. While the pastrami may not be quite as good as Katz's, and Carnegie is certainly expensive, it is not a "tourist trap." It is a geniuine NYC institution, and still serves some good traditional deli food.

        The fact that it is well known and attracts tourists does not make it a "tourist trap." Shake Shack is now full of tourists - is it a "tourist trap?"

        I'd love to know where the "great delis in the city" are. There are really so few remaining.

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          RichardMW Feb 3, 2011 06:17 PM

          Yes, Shake Shack is a tourist trap. Quality is just barely "good" and the lines make it not worth the wait.

          I have not been to Carnegie Deli in several years since the last 2 times I went the quality of the sandwiches were a dim memory of what it once had been. Not loss if they close. Carnagie Deli is a NY institution. But, it is no longer a great deli. Sadly, there are very few great delis left.

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          Carnegie Deli
          854 7th Ave, New York, NY 10019

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            gutsofsteel Feb 3, 2011 06:32 PM

            Tourist trap is not a synonym for mediocre.

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              FoodDabbler Feb 3, 2011 06:33 PM

              It would be useful if those of you who bemoan the fact that there are "very few great delis left" would tell us which they are.

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                gutsofsteel Feb 3, 2011 08:54 PM

                Katz's
                Sarge's
                Barney Greengrass

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                Barney Greengrass
                541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                  RichardMW Feb 4, 2011 06:41 AM

                  Barney Greengrass, like Russ & Daughter's, is not a Jewish Deli. It is an "appetizing store". Russ & Daughter's is still very good. I live a few blocks from Barney Greengrass which is a dim shadow of what it once was.

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                  Barney Greengrass
                  541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

                  Russ & Daughters
                  179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

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                    tpigeon Feb 4, 2011 10:16 AM

                    Barney Greengrass is not a dim shadow of anything. It is great.

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                    Barney Greengrass
                    541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                      FoodDabbler Feb 6, 2011 02:34 PM

                      My question about which delis posters consider great was addressed to you as much as to anyone else. Which are they? (Apart from R&D, leaving aside technicalities on whether it's a deli at all.)

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                        gutsofsteel Feb 6, 2011 04:09 PM

                        Barney Greengrass a dim shadow? The quality is excellent, hasn't changed a bit, and I've been going there for a long, long time.

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                        Barney Greengrass
                        541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                          RichardMW Feb 6, 2011 07:35 PM

                          Maybe I just hit a few bad days there.

                          The last time I went I ordered a "bagel with nova and cream cheese".
                          The gave me a toasted bagel with lox and argued with me when I told them that it was lox (salty) and not nova (smoked). Also, in my opinion, the only reason to toast a bagel is if it was stale or if the customer asks for it to be toasted which I didn't.

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                  Bob Martinez Feb 4, 2011 10:51 AM

                  Speaking of NY institutions, Brooks of Sheffield just wrote a sympathetic piece about a place the Stage Deli.

                  "Locals like to think of the Stage, the Carnegie, Katz's and the few other surviving Jewish Deli icons left in Manhattan as being their past their prime, purely cynical tourist traps composed of equal parts bad service and disappointing food. But New Yorkers are spoiled by the cultural and culinary bounty that surrounds them, and I've always found this assessment a bit unfair, and calamitously short-sighted. I was surprised to find both my corned beef and matzo ball soup more than acceptable; in fact, I craved the other half of my sandwich. But forget that. It must be remembered that—should the Stage ever be lost—the City could never replace or replicate the utterly Gotham atmosphere in which that place marinates. "

                  http://ny.eater.com/archives/2011/02/...

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                  Stage Deli
                  834 7th Ave, New York, NY 10019

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                    addictedtolunch Feb 4, 2011 03:43 PM

                    I never thought the Stage was that bad-just not as good as Katz's for pastrami, Carnegie for soup or corned beef etc. It has its strengths food-wise, and lots of its own history.

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