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In NYC for 6 days with a couple visiting for the first time. Need a little help in planning.

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mick Jan 30, 2011 09:18 AM

We are two 40 year old couples visiting from Napa Valley staying around Broadway & 48th. Looking to experience some quintensential NY eats as well as other options. What is the difference between Katz pastrami and Carnegie. I understand Katz gets rave reviews and Carnegie seems to get bashed, but why? Have tried some of the newer Pizza places like Keste, Motorino and Artichoke but not that impressed. Love di faro, Patsy"s UES pretty good, hated Totonno. So woulfd like to try Lombardis, Johns or Grimaldis. Any thoughts. Also looking for a good mid range Italian restaurant> Have enjoyed Inoteca, Bar Piti, Lupa and Pheasant in the past. Any other ideas. Looking for a nice lunch spot one day enjoyed USC last time, liked the casual ambience. Any great wine bars near where we are staying and elsewhere in Manhattan. Have done Peter Lugers several times kind of done with it and have been to Keens and recos for steakhouses. Breakfast have done Clinton street any other good options and maybe closer to where we are staying. How about sunday brunch have been to Balthazar what else would be good. And finally a dinner past trips have been Gramercy Tavern a number of times, Degustation, Eleven Madison want to try something else. Thanks,

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Lupa
170 Thompson Street, New York, NY 10012

Gramercy Tavern
42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

Totonno's
1544 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028

Motorino
349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

Grimaldi's
47 W 20th St, New York, NY 10010

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    kathryn Jan 30, 2011 10:38 AM

    Katz's pastrami seems juicier to me overall.

    For pizza, I like John's best of the three you listed. Only go to the Bleecker St one though!

    Breakfast near Times Square
    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/762436

    Best brunch
    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/762436

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      Blumie Jan 30, 2011 10:49 AM

      As you'll see from the Breakfast near Times Sq. thread, there really aren't any good places in the immediate vacinity of your hotel. If you don't mind paying luxury-hotel-breakfast prices for your breakfast, though, the breakfasts at Jean Georges's Nougatine, not too far from your hotel, serves excellent breakfasts.

      Of the newer pizza places, Co. (Company) is my personal favorite, although it's an entirely different product than Lombardi's/John's/Grimaldi's. BTW, I think the new Grimaldi's, on 6th Avenue and 20th St. in Chelsea, has just opened.

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      Nougatine
      1 Central Park West, New York, NY 10023

      Grimaldi's
      47 W 20th St, New York, NY 10010

      1. re: Blumie
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        kathryn Jan 30, 2011 11:54 AM

        Note on the new Grimaldi's: it's located inside the Limelight Marketplace, church turned nightclub turned indoor shopping center now. Cash only.

        http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2011/01...

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        Grimaldi's
        47 W 20th St, New York, NY 10010

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          mick Jan 31, 2011 04:57 PM

          Thanks any thoughts on mid priced Italian food for dinner, wine bars, steakhouses or breakfast/brunch anywhere in Manhattan.

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            kathryn Jan 31, 2011 07:43 PM

            For mid-priced Italian perhaps Po?

            Does anything here sound good?
            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/700466

            For wine bars, I'm not a huge wine drinker but I like The Monday Room, Otto, Terroir.

            Scan the recs here, too:
            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/669556

            For weekday breakfast, I'd do Maialino or Locanda Verde. For weekend brunch, endure the wait at Prune, Blue Ribbon Bakery, or try to reserve at Minetta Tavern, or the others I mentioned. Also look up Shopsin's and see if the atmosphere and quirky nature appeals to you.

            I am not a huge steakhouse goer, will leave that to others.

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            The Monday Room
            210 Elizabeth Street, New York, NY 10012

            Terroir
            413 E 12th St, New York, NY 10009

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      Pan Jan 31, 2011 07:56 PM

      Which location of Totonno's did you hate? I ask because every location other than the original one in Coney Island just franchises the name.

      For breakfast in that area, Cafe Edison would be at least passable and cheap. I really don't know if it's what you're looking for. Here's their menupages.com menu:

      http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...

      I don't think I understand your taste in pizza well enough to make a recommendation. I mean, if you went to Coney Island Totonno's and hated it, loved DiFara's (no dispute there), and thought Patsy's UES (does that mean Spanish Harlem, or some unrelated franchisee?) was just OK (what toppings did you get, though?), I have no idea whether you'd like Arturo's or hate it. Please clarify which locations you went to. I'll say this, though: I don't recommend Lombardi's.

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      Cafe Edison
      228 W 47th St, New York, NY 10036

      Patsy's Pizzeria
      2287 1st Ave, New York, NY 10035

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        mick Feb 1, 2011 07:44 AM

        Thanks Kathryn for the brunch suggestions very helpful. one other question how does Balthazar compare to those you listed. Pan, I did not eat at the Coney Island Totonno's, to clarify I did some twenty plus years ago but dont really remember anything other than the roller coaster. The Totonno's I visited more recently was on the east side around 1st,2nd or 3rd ave near 20-30th streets. The Patsy's was the one in Spanish Harlem. I have had Arturo's and liked it. Could go into detail about what I liked or didn't with each but trying to keep it brief. Will check the threads on mid priced Italian and wine bars next.

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        Totonno's
        1544 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028

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          kathryn Feb 1, 2011 08:15 AM

          My brunch suggestions - I think all the ones I listed are on par with if not better than Balthazar.

          There's a Totonno's on 26th and 2nd Ave, that's the one you visited probably. I've had their pies before and they were merely OK. I love both Di Fara and Patsy's in East Harlem, and hope you enjoy John's of Bleecker as well.

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          Totonno's
          1544 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028

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        snowcone Feb 1, 2011 10:00 AM

        What about the Felice Wine Bar? It's focus is Italian Wine. It is on 64th and 1st. Expensive, but they do serve Lunch and Brunch.

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          sugartoof Feb 1, 2011 10:23 AM

          Based on your review of "pretty good" from the original Patsy's, I would say skip Lombardi's and try Grimaldi's. Actually, it depends which style you had at Patsy's, I guess. John's is going to be the thin crispy crust and full coverage greasy cheese variety. Pizza tastes are hyper specific though.

          For italian, Falai is worth checking out. The Pannetaria is the cheaper option at night, should the other menus strike you above what you consider mid range pricing.

          Strip House deserves mention if you do decide to give a steakhouse a visit. The sides win most people over.

          Since you mentioned being from Napa and like you've covered some ground in NY previously, I would say to look into some Latin or Cuban foods.

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          Falai
          68 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

          Strip House
          13 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

          Grimaldi's
          47 W 20th St, New York, NY 10010

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            mick Feb 2, 2011 07:59 AM

            Thanks for suggestions thus far. For Italian dinner trying to decide between Scarpetta and Appiz. What would be a good choice for Latin or Cuban? Any good noodle places around Times Square or the nearby surroundings. For Yakitori and atmosphere is Ykatori Totto the best in the midtown area. Also anything different I might not find in the Bay Area.

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            Scarpetta
            355 West 14th Street, New York, NY 10014

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              RGR Feb 2, 2011 12:13 PM

              For contemporary pan-Latin, I highly recommend Nuela. Delicious food, excellent service, very attractive decor, and an upbeat vibe.

              Nuela photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391@N03/sets/72157625851117070/

              and here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391@N03/sets/72157625770516703/

              http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

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            Lazslo Feb 2, 2011 12:19 PM

            Since you will be at 48th & Bway why not walk up to Jean Georges in Trump Hotel at 59th? The Nougatine Room for lunch or early dinner can't be beat. About $24 for lunch and $36 for a three course prix fixe that is always outstanding. Skip bkfst here which is pretty mundane.

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            Jean Georges
            1 Central Park W, New York, NY 10023

            Nougatine
            1 Central Park West, New York, NY 10023

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