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curiousgeo Jan 25, 2011 05:12 PM

Staying in Century City and I have had the Apple Pan on my LA list for ages. Is it worth a lunch stop for a steakburger, fries and pie? Or is In n Out in Westwood good enough? We've been to various In n Out locations over the years and have always enjoyed what they serve. Thanks for your help.

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  1. Servorg RE: curiousgeo Jan 25, 2011 05:17 PM

    Unless you were either raised on Apple Pan food or you have a love of classic diner/lunch counter places that haven't changed in 50 years (like something from Main St. Disney but real) probably not.

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      reality check RE: Servorg Jan 25, 2011 05:30 PM

      It's worth a trip, especially if Apple Pan has been on your list of places to try. Love In N Out but you can get that in other cities and states-AZ and NV. There is only one Apple Pan.

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        wienermobile RE: reality check Jan 25, 2011 05:46 PM

        Every now and then I just crave a Hickory Burger and Fries at the Apple Pan.

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        foodiemahoodie RE: Servorg Jan 26, 2011 12:18 AM

        I agree with Servorg. I went once - many years ago - and I didn't get it. Tried it again after someone raved about it online. Still didn't get it. The french fries are average at best. (that's being generous, truth be told I think they suck). I won't go back. There has to be 100 places in the city with a better burger. Almost any decent restaurant has a much better burger.

        But, it has a nice retro feel to it. And it's authentic retro. I'd say go, take a look, then get in the car and go somewhere else. And if you have to have a burger - there's a great burger thread (started by ExileKiss I believe - who is an honorable and reliable Chowhounder) somewhere on Chow. Extensive and thorough.

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          westsidegal RE: foodiemahoodie Jan 26, 2011 01:00 AM

          if you are looking for a good burger, i'd skip Apple Pan entirely.
          my daughter used to go to school near there and periodically i'd stop in.
          it never got better.
          burger consistently on the poor side of mediocre.
          never tried the pie.

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          westsidegal RE: Servorg May 30, 2012 08:19 AM

          +1, servorg

        3. Mr Taster RE: curiousgeo Jan 25, 2011 05:37 PM

          I woud say go once, for the experience. But be prepared to pay $25 for a thin patty burger fortified with half a head of iceberg lettuce, fries, coke & pie.

          The only reason to go there a second time is for the banana cream pie, which is phenomenal.

          Oh, and sit on the left side of the counter. The guy on the right who looks like Drew Carey's dad is kind of an oddball, best observed from a distance. I've had a few very odd experiences with him.

          Mr Taster

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            taiwanesesmalleats RE: Mr Taster Jan 25, 2011 05:52 PM

            Concur on the pie. I have yet to find one that hits the spot like theirs.

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              maudies5 RE: taiwanesesmalleats Jan 25, 2011 06:18 PM

              Ignore the naysayers. Enjoy the Apple Pan. Bet you will love it. Definitely worth a visit.

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              Galen RE: Mr Taster Jan 25, 2011 06:23 PM

              I like the banana cream, Mr. Taster, but boysenberry is my new favorite. Give it a try. I think something happened to Gordon (Drew's dad). I haven't seen him for a while, but I only go in to buy pies nowadays and split. I really miss the burgers but not the price and wait.

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              curiousgeo RE: curiousgeo Jan 25, 2011 06:20 PM

              Thanks for your responses. I am partial to classic diners and lunch counters and it's a one of a kind type of place. I already knew it would be pricey, but as reality check said, there is only one Apple Pan, so I think we'll give it a try.

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                lapizzamaven RE: curiousgeo Jan 25, 2011 06:40 PM

                Definitely worth the experience if only for the paper cups, paper hats and stools...and the banana cream pie!

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                  A5 KOBE RE: lapizzamaven Jan 25, 2011 08:32 PM

                  Definitely worth it for the BCP, wish I could say that about the burger.

                  To OP: Try down the street to Marty's for a better burgers.

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                  maudies5 RE: curiousgeo Jan 25, 2011 08:38 PM

                  Apple Pan pricey? Don't think so. Not pricier than The Counter and surely, they don't charge $10.50 for an order of fries :)

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                    miwine RE: maudies5 Jan 25, 2011 09:02 PM

                    This is a very poor burger, and so-so pie. Pie and Burger is way better for both. Best pie in Los Angeles. (well not LA but Pasadena).

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                      kevin RE: miwine Nov 20, 2011 12:58 PM

                      I very respectfully disagree. The pies at the apple pan are head and shoulders above pie n burger (except for the fresh peach and fresh straweberry pie at Pie N Burger those are way better than apple pan).

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                        bulavinaka RE: kevin Nov 20, 2011 01:19 PM

                        AP's banana cream pie is amazing. We coupled it with their fresh strawberry pie during the summer and it was superb as well. My guess is that because most strawberries benefit from the summer weather, the strawberries in our pie were bright and sweet. What ever the case, I've never had P N B's version, but I would order AP's version again in the midst of summer.

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                      Mr Taster RE: maudies5 Jan 25, 2011 10:39 PM

                      The Apple Pan's pricing is like Disneyland's. The price goes up, up, up every year, way exceeding the cost of inflation (and cost of living) and somehow people don't seem to be catching on that they're paying significantly more for the same thing than they were even 3-5 years ago. They just keep-a-coming.

                      Look at In-N-Out as an example of another LA burger institution that has held it's own for many, many years with a very reasonably priced burger meal. When they increased their prices about a year ago, it was a minimal up charge, something on the order of 20 cents.

                      Perhaps people who frequent The Apple Pan more often than I do can help fact check my price estimates here, as I don't see a current menu with prices posted online, and I haven't been in a couple of years.

                      If I recall the last time I was there, the hickory burger with cheddar cost almost $8 (this is for a *very* thin patty of meat augmented with a HUGE wedge of cheap iceberg lettuce-- The Counter offers a larger burger with a more substantial serving of meat for a similar price). The cream pie was upwards of $6. Fries were over $2. Factor in the price of soda with the burger, and/or coffee with the pie +tax and tip... wham. You're certainly over $20, and pushing $25. It's an outrageous cost for what amounts to a fast food meal. And what if you're on a date? Is a meal of 2 burgers and fries seriously worth almost $50? Come on now. It's insane.

                      The *only* standout item for me is the banana cream pie, which also is overpriced but I feel worth the extra expense. Maybe when the pie reaches $10 per slice in 2014, I'll feel differently.

                      Mr Taster

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                      10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

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                        cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 01:34 AM

                        Point taken, but it's not Urasawa. Let's keep it in perspective here.

                        If the choice is between In-N-Out and an LA institution that has been on the OP's radar for years then it's an easy choice: give it a try.

                        There are just certain places in LA that must be experienced once: Phillipes, Tito's, Musso and Frank, Pink's, Langer's, and Apple Pan are probably a good start to that list. The fact that only one or two of those places are objectively any good is quite beside the point.

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                          Sarsa RE: cacio e pepe May 12, 2011 02:00 PM

                          totally agree with cacio e pepe-this LA fixture is unique and cannot be compared-it is what it is as far as burger, fries,paper cups & hats

                          On the other hand the BCP can hold its own against any other

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                            Servorg RE: Sarsa May 12, 2011 02:12 PM

                            Sorry, but my brain must have slipped a cog or two trying to put "BCP" into context here. Can you help a hound out?

                            ADD: Just got it (I was thinking burgers and coming up blank). Banana Cream Pie. Doh!

                        2. re: Mr Taster
                          Lori SF RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 10:00 AM

                          I am posting the menu because I just could not believe the prices are as high as stated. This is not true and if they are charging more than their menu here print it and bring with you.

                          The prices are not much higher than they were when I lived and went there in the 80' and 90's which is a relief.

                          5.00 for hickory burger
                          1.75 for fries
                          1.25 soft drink
                          3.25 pie

                          Now I don't eat pie when I have a burger or sandwich so I am getting out for under 10.00.
                          http://www.applepan.com/

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                            wienermobile RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 10:02 AM

                            Just to let you know the prices on this menu are from 2009.

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                              Mr Taster RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 10:10 AM

                              The current prices are significantly higher.

                              Mr Taster

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                                Lori SF RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 10:22 AM

                                2009 almost the same price as 1990 but they jacked the price in 2011 strange.

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                                  reality check RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 10:48 AM

                                  When you went to

                                  http://www.applepan.com/

                                  did you see the top, the UNofficial site for the Apple Pan. So the Apple Pan has nothing to do with updating that site.

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                                  10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

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                                    Mr Taster RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 11:07 AM

                                    That website is inaccurate... it makes me wonder how often newbies show up at the Apple Pan having viewed the prices on the unofficial website? My understanding is that they increase prices incrementally every 6 months or so, so if you haven't been in a while you'll be in for some sticker shock. (By the way, despite the date on the website, I don't think those in any way reflect 2009 prices.)

                                    If you do go, please report back your experience here.

                                    Mr Taster

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                                      reality check RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 11:10 AM

                                      That website is the UNOFFICIAL website for the Apple Pan.

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                                      Apple Pan
                                      10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

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                                        Mr Taster RE: reality check Feb 16, 2011 12:41 PM

                                        Yes, we know!

                                        Mr Taster

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                                        wienermobile RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 12:37 PM

                                        Yes it does seem inexpensive even for 2009. I can't even remember paying $5 for a Hickory Burger.

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                                          reality check RE: wienermobile Feb 16, 2011 01:07 PM

                                          First time I went to Apple Pan was 06 and the burger was about $8 and I believe that same menu is there.

                                          Surprised the Apple Pan doesn't do something about the UNofficial site, either buy the site or at least send updated information about the site.

                                          Most people don't know it's the UNofficial site, since they quote, very outdated prices.

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                                          10801 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90064

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                                        cacio e pepe RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 01:15 PM

                                        I went through the same issue earlier and you can see my comments up the thread. I don't know when those menu prices were current, but it is unlikely the 2009 date corresponds with those menu prices.

                                        I've attached a photo I took recently when I went in to check on prices (and to pick up a slice of banana cream pie, natch).

                                         
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                                          Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Feb 16, 2011 01:31 PM

                                          Thanks for posting the current menu, cacio e pepe.

                                          So it looks like the tuna salad sandwich ($7.25!), fries ($2.25) and a coke ($1.50) plus 9.75 tax and 20% tip is going to cost Lori SF just under $15 out the door. (That is, unless Lori SF is unlucky enough to arrive after one of the semi yearly price hikes).

                                          Bear in mind that they charge an extra two bucks (I think... can't see it on the menu) if you want a slice of cheese thrown on top which edges it dangerously close to my admittedly high figure of $18.

                                          And if I squint my eyes, it looks like that's $7.50 for a slice of apple pie with whipped cream? Jeeee-hoshaphat!!

                                          Mr Taster

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                                            Lori SF RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 02:04 PM

                                            Well thanks for setting me straight I guess I was out of touch thinking their burger remained to be 5.00.

                                            Now that I am back in reality and if I were to compare their prices with something somewhat similar minus the nostalgia and counter charm Gott's Roadside here in SF charges about the same 7.99 cheeseburger, 2,69 Fries and 1.99 soda so I guess they are not out of line with the current prices except the quality of meat might be better at Gott's if you were to compare.

                                            I hope it is as good as I remember and they still pour your soda for you into that cute cone paper cup that sits in the red holder, if not I will be p--sed

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                                              bulavinaka RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 06:44 PM

                                              Gott's is AWSOME! We hit them up a few years back before the name change (Taylor's Automatic Refresher) and can't get them out of mind ever since. I'd give my left - well, it would be super great if Gott's came down this way - they'd do very well here.

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                                              Phurstluv RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 04:46 PM

                                              What a ripoff!!

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                                                cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 05:04 PM

                                                I'm pretty sure adding cheese to any sandwich is $0.50. It is for a burger at least.

                                                And in their defense, the portion of whipped cream is huge. It really is the equivalent of a large scoop of ice cream in content. It's actually larger than the pie!

                                                Yes. Apple Pan is pricey for what it is. Still, I love it. And while it's always good for people to walk in aware of the prices, the truth is that one only finds it a rip-off if they don't like the food and experience to begin with. That's true of any restaurant, really.

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                                      Servorg RE: maudies5 Jan 26, 2011 04:20 AM

                                      Who is selling fries for $10.50?

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                                        cacio e pepe RE: Servorg Jan 26, 2011 06:06 AM

                                        Not to speak for Maudies5, but I think that was her way of calling the venerable Mr. T's accounting into question.

                                        The true cost of the meal that Mr. Taster describes is $13.20 before tax and tip, $16.13 out the door. Not cheap. Which is why exaggerating the cost by an additional 55% is makes it seem beyond the pale.

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                                          Servorg RE: cacio e pepe Jan 26, 2011 06:20 AM

                                          So when you have a problem with an over exaggerated accounting then pour another bigger one in on top to claify things?

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                                            cacio e pepe RE: Servorg Jan 26, 2011 11:01 AM

                                            I think her point was that would be about the price the fries would need to be for Mr. T to get to his final total. I will stop speaking for someone else now, but I'm just saying that's how I read it.

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                                              Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jan 26, 2011 11:08 AM

                                              I still don't understand how you and maudie5's have come up with such a large price discrepancy, unless my numbers are wildly misinformed. If they are, then please correct me. (They may not be spot on, but I'm certain that they're in the ballpark).

                                              And remember, I haven't been there in about 2 years so I'm going off of the 2008-2009 prices that I remember. Since they regularly raise their prices, it's probably higher than what I am recalling here.

                                              Mr Taster

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                                            Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jan 26, 2011 07:16 AM

                                            cacio e pepe, are you estimating this $16 price tag from the menu posted on www.applepan.com? If so, you should know the current prices are considerably higher.

                                            I agree the op should go once, but she should go with realistic expectations, or risk feeling gouged.

                                            Mr Taster

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                                              reality check RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 08:44 AM

                                              That menu may include new items added to their menu, but they never update the prices. $5 for a steakburger? When I went, about five years ago it was about $9 and I know prices haven't come down.

                                              But, the title of that link, say the UNofficial site of The Apple Pan.

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                                                cacio e pepe RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 03:41 PM

                                                Well I stopped by for a slice of pie and ended up eating crow. Mr. Taster was pretty damn accurate with his $25 estimate for: a hickory burger with cheese, a side of fries, a coke, a slice of pie, and a cup of coffee.

                                                I never get more than a burger and fries OR a slice of pie with coffee there, and even then it's only very occasionally. Therefore, I've never even approached that $25 tab. But Mr. Taster was pretty spot on.

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                                                  Mr Taster RE: cacio e pepe Jan 26, 2011 03:42 PM

                                                  Thanks for confirming that I'm at least not totally crazy :)

                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                    Jase RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 03:53 PM

                                                    No, no, just slightly eccentric. I keed, I keed,

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                                              maudies5 RE: Servorg Jan 26, 2011 09:43 AM

                                              The Farmshop at the Brentwood Country Mart.

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                                                Servorg RE: maudies5 Jan 26, 2011 10:17 AM

                                                They are NOT $10.50. For a side order of fries they charge $5.50.

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                                          jaykayen RE: curiousgeo Jan 26, 2011 01:22 AM

                                          I thnk it is good to go once. The fries are very good when fresh; however, I've seen them sit on the pass for like 5 minutes before I stopped caring.

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                                            mc michael RE: curiousgeo Jan 26, 2011 04:49 AM

                                            Go so you can jpin the debate. Hickory burger with double cheese, well done fries, some IBC root beer.

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                                              sel RE: curiousgeo Jan 26, 2011 07:02 AM

                                              I'm the minority voice here because I love The Apple Pan! Both the Steak and Hickory Burgers with Tillamook Cheddar (not American Process Cheese). Yeah the price has gone way up but ya know my first new car, a 1973 Jeep CJ-5 had a retail (sticker) price of $3,500. Their meat is very high quality, better than the product used by some of the more upscale burger purveyors around town. Bun could be better but back in 1948 there were no bakeries in L.A. producing artisnal buns and they stick with what has worked for them. Fries 'Well Done" may not be fresh hand cut Belgian twice or thrice fried in duck fat and sprinkled with truffle oil but they are crispy on the outside, soft on the inside and taste good with a side of hickory sauce! They are heavy on the iceburg lettuce but you can ask for less, none or just remove some of it according to your preference. Their Banana, Boysenberry and Cherry Cream Pies are wonderful and that cream is REAL cream which by the way tastes great in their ice coffee.
                                              I also like and enjoy interacting with Gordon on the right side of the counter. He was there when I first visited during the summer of 1970, he is just part of the whole experience.
                                              There are many good to great burgers mentioned by posters on this board, in those 200+ reply threads and I like many of them but The Apple Pan continues to serve up a quality product that just tastes damn good!

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                                                mc michael RE: sel Jan 26, 2011 07:51 AM

                                                Well, after all, their slogan is "Quality forever."

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                                                  Mr Taster RE: sel Jan 26, 2011 09:00 AM

                                                  Ah sel, but here's the thing... nobody is claiming the Apple Pan's burgers are "artisinal" yet their prices seem to reflect that they are. Belgian frites fried in duck fat? Beautiful, freshly baked bun? Locally made cheese? OK, I'll pony up the dough. But a single fast food style burger patty on a processed bun, layered with supermarket cheese and a wedge of the cheapest lettuce available? Seriously?

                                                  Think about it.... if you didn't know we were talking about The Apple Pan, and someone told you that they paid nearly $50 for a pie and burger meal for two, would any reasonable person immediately assume this burger was eaten at an old coffee shop?

                                                  I'd be happy to give them my business if their pricing model reflected any semblance of reality.

                                                  Mr Taster

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                                                    reality check RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 09:19 AM

                                                    Maybe their prices reflect how expensive running a business in that area is?

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                                                      Jase RE: reality check Jan 26, 2011 10:11 AM

                                                      If I recall correctly the family owns the property completely and has resisted all efforts to sell. I'm a little surprised at your defense of Apple Pan given your vehemence against Fab's dogs. Given the argument of price and quality, I'd say Fab's is a much better choice than Apple Pan.

                                                      Fabs might not have the best dogs in LA but they are decent and priced low relatively speaking. While Apple Pan, in my opinion, is priced way too high for the quality. They are charging premium prices for at best an average burger. Fabs charges average prices for at worst an average dog.

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                                                        reality check RE: Jase Jan 26, 2011 10:20 AM

                                                        Where am I defending Apple Pan? I just mentioned that the high cost of business in that area. I have heard the family does own the land but that hasn't been confirmed. Also it's not a big place, thus preventing high volume, like a McD's or In N Out.

                                                        Actually $3 and up, for a below average hot dog is a rip off. Fans is a one trick pony, the ripper, and if that's not your thing, it isn't mine, the other hot dogs there are terrible.
                                                        I'm not a big chili dog person, I don't think chili belongs on a hot dog, but Cupid's is $2.50 for a chili dog and much better than the overrated Fab's.

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                                                          Jase RE: reality check Jan 26, 2011 10:24 AM

                                                          I read it as you were defending it, my mistake.

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                                                    maudies5 RE: sel Jan 26, 2011 09:44 AM

                                                    Agree with everything Sel said, except I always sit on Hector's side of the counter. We are now 4th generation Apple Pan customers.

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                                                      sel RE: maudies5 Jan 26, 2011 10:29 AM

                                                      Hector is a great guy. If I don't see him for a couple of years, he still remembers my standard order!

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                                                        maudies5 RE: sel Jan 26, 2011 12:38 PM

                                                        Yep. He also always remembers what my kids order, as well. The minute I sit down, even if I haven't been there in over a year, he grabs an iced tea, lemons and asks me if I want my onions grilled on my Hickory Burger.. I think Hector has been there for over 25 years.

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                                                        whatsfordinner RE: maudies5 Jan 26, 2011 11:24 AM

                                                        I always sit on the other side of Hector and for the life of me I can't remember the server's name. (Nor can my husband or son!) He always remembers my order (hickory burger w cheese, fries well done, diet coke) and asks after my family. Does anyone know his name??? I'm a second generation customer and it's too embarrassing at this point to ask!

                                                      3. re: sel
                                                        Mr Taster RE: sel Jan 26, 2011 09:58 AM

                                                        Also sel, with your assertion that prices go up, whether it's the cost of burgers or your Jeep, let's analyze this a little more closely.

                                                        According to the inflation calculator at http://www.westegg.com/inflation/ a $3,500 Jeep in 1973 would cost upwards of $16,000 in today's money.

                                                        No real idea what Apple Pan was charging for burgers when they opened in 1947, but in 1955 McDonalds burgers cost $0.15 according to this http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodfaq5....

                                                        But let's give The Apple Pan the benefit of the doubt and say that because of their high quality, they were charging 30 cents for their burgers in 1947- fully double what McDonald's would eventually charge 8 years later. Inflation raises the cost of that burger to $2.85 in modern prices. Clearly the $8 Apple Pan Burger is wildly out of step with inflation, whereas the cost of your Jeep is rather more in line.

                                                        Now consider that In-N-Out opened their doors in 1948, one year after The Apple Pan. Their current price for a cheeseburger is $2.05! Much more in step with inflation.

                                                        http://blogs.ocweekly.com/stickaforki...

                                                        In-N-Out is a great example of a business that has held the line for their customers, offering quality at a fair price. Now I understand that The Apple Pan doesn't have the volume to keep prices down the way In-N-Out can, but I simply can't believe that the current gouging is necessary.

                                                        Mr Taster

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                                                          Servorg RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 10:20 AM

                                                          What you are failing to take into account is something called "economy of scale" and which accounts for the price differential that I & O charges and what the Apple Pan charges.

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                                                          1. re: Servorg
                                                            Mr Taster RE: Servorg Jan 26, 2011 10:41 AM

                                                            Of course I'm taking economy of scale and volume business into account-- that's why I addressed the point in my last sentence. But how does one justify paying 300% over adjusted cost of inflation for essentially the same thing?

                                                            Look, I would gladly pay more for the hickory burger with cheese than a double double at In-N-Out. The hickory burger is worth $5 to me. And at $5, it's still way over the cost of inflation, and nearly 70% more than what the economics of scale and volume can do to help keep costs down.

                                                            I can deal with 70% markup for a similar product. 200%, however, is simply obscene.

                                                            Mr Taster

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                                                              kevin RE: Mr Taster Nov 20, 2011 01:19 PM

                                                              Ok, I've quickly read through most of all these posts. Here's my opinion:

                                                              I still really like the Apple Pan and have been going for years now. Their cheeseburgers are swell to great with the Tillamook cheddar in that Apple Pan kind of way (the closet copy of an apple pan burger with cheddar cheese is the burger they serve at Johnny Rockets, but johnny rocket's is even crappier and greasier in a much crappier way the last time i had, i think it has to do with the quality of the beef at johnny rocket's which is worse than Apple Pan, but granted that I'm not saying that the apple pan's quality of beef is exceptional, i just think it's better than the quality of a lot of fast-food burgers around town, and it's still better quality than fatburger, although apple pan is a thinner burger than fatburger).

                                                              but i have not have had any cream pies that are better across the board in California than the ones they serve at the Apple Pan from the chocolate cream to the banana cream to the coconut cream. even there apple pie which is not as good as their cream pies is better than the majority of apple pies in town especially when layered whith a slice of their cheddar cheese (it works wonders) and a couple scoops of their rich danish vanlla ice cream.

                                                              Is it expensive for what it it? Yes. A burger at the Apple Pan with cheese should not be 7.25 currently. Given inflation, it should top out at 5.75. Will i still go there? Yes, sadly and begrudgingly.

                                                              Is it more worth it to go their for their pies? Yes. Are there pies also overpriced or very very very expensive? Yes, again. Will I keep going there? Yes,

                                                              Will I go there as frequently as before as the prices keep going up? No.

                                                              Will I still go there once the price reaches $30 bucks per person for a soda, cheeseburger, and a pie with tax and tip, which should be about 5 years from now given the Apple Pan's version of inflation? Yes, but with the provison that at that price level, I will only visit in it's not at all busy hours and just once for that calendar year, at bar.

                                                              Just my thoughts. Now by reading the above you can figure out if I'm a lover or hater, but I would just say that I have a love/hate relationship at best.

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                                                            sel RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 11:09 AM

                                                            Your inflation arguments are sound except a model based on comparisons of an independent, family owned burger joint, The Apple Pan, located in West L.A. with large corporate chains like McD's or even smaller but ever expanding corporate chains like In n Out just don't seem valid. The economics are very different and all three businesses serve products that I find are not comparable to each other. A Big Mac, Double Double and Hickory or Steak Burger are very different creations. One I never consume, the next only when out on a drive away from our metropolis and the last is a familiar and tasty ol friend that I enjoy along with so many other burgers in this area!
                                                            I find an Apple Pan burger with Tillamook Cheddar or as you refer to it "...supermarket cheese...", well done fries with a side of sauce, iced coffee and cream pie both with real pure dairy cream to be delicious and worth the price.

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                                                              Servorg RE: sel Jan 26, 2011 11:17 AM

                                                              And when a business like In & Out buys everything in such quantity (from salt and pepper packets to condiments to beef to cleaning supplies to light bulbs) they come away being able to charge the prices they do and still make a profit. I don't find the price that Apple Pan charges to be at all surprising while they are still trying to make a living wage at the same time.

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                                                                Servorg RE: sel May 10, 2011 01:15 PM

                                                                Let's also remember that that little "...supermarket cheese..." (Tillamook) kicked a whole bunch of other cheeses asses (if cheese does, indeed, have an ass?) in an international competition: http://www.tillamook.com/ourstory/med...

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                                                              Lori SF RE: sel Feb 16, 2011 07:59 AM

                                                              This place brings back great memories I use to go often when I lived in LA. It was comforting when I would walk up to the counter, sit down the servers who had been there for ever knew exactly what I wanted. Tuna sandwich, extra pickles, coke and fries well done.. I would throw them off when I needed my hickory burger fix.

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                                                                Mr Taster RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 08:14 AM

                                                                But the real question is-- when you were going there regularly, were you paying the equivalent of about $18 for that humble meal (including tax & tip)?

                                                                In my opinion it's really more of a $7-8 meal (perhaps $10 out the door), but I'd have no problem if it the base price was $10, what with the Quality Forever & such.

                                                                Mr Taster

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                                                                  Lori SF RE: Mr Taster Feb 16, 2011 08:46 AM

                                                                  No I was not paying that in the 80's and 90's and that is a sticker shock. Since I am going to LA next week I may have to re think going or just go for the pie or skip the fires and drink. At they same time I would want to continue supporting them although they did survived when that horrible mall went in..rents still continue to increase.

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                                                                    Servorg RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 08:58 AM

                                                                    I believe that, for the Apple Pan at least, a good thing is that they own the property, so an ever increasing rent at the end of a lease period is not part of the issue.

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                                                                      Lori SF RE: Servorg Feb 16, 2011 09:05 AM

                                                                      Good point. Most likely I will stop in and at least it won't be a shock when I get the bill.

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                                                                        Servorg RE: Lori SF Feb 16, 2011 09:11 AM

                                                                        I don't ever feel bad about eating at the AP. I feel like supporting mom & pop businesses is a mitzvah and, unless one has tried living in Los Angeles on the money earned by running a small business, it's more than a little hubristic to opine that they are essentially gouging their patrons in some underhanded and over the top (price wise) manner.

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                                                                          Lori SF RE: Servorg Feb 16, 2011 09:15 AM

                                                                          did the hamburger good grass fed? sad

                                                            3. mucho gordo RE: curiousgeo Jan 26, 2011 10:26 AM

                                                              Try it just so you can say 'been there; done that.' Then try Jan's on Beverly and compare the 2 and let us know. My preference between the 2 is Jan's for burgers.

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                                                                Mr Taster RE: mucho gordo Jan 26, 2011 10:57 AM

                                                                I looked up Jan's menu and I think it's interesting to note that they are charging about $9.50 for a cheeseburger with fries. This is sort of on par with The Apple Pan's price (actually, it might be a little cheaper).

                                                                I hesitated when I saw this, because I don't have a problem with paying this much for a burger at Jan's, and I had to ask myself why. After all, I could sit at the counter at Jan's and have a similar experience to sitting at the counter at The Apple Pan.

                                                                I came to the conclusion that The Apple Pan's burgers simply remind me too much of a fast food burger, and the atmosphere and ambiance of the place do nothing to convince me otherwise. Jan's is a real diner. There's plates and silverware, comfortable booths, and an extensive menu. The Apple Pan is most definitely *not* a diner-- it's sort of this odd fast food/coffee shop hybrid. It doesn't quite reach the level of a diner, but the prices belie this fact. In fact, in many areas Jan's actually offers a better deal.

                                                                Mr Taster

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                                                                  mucho gordo RE: Mr Taster Jan 26, 2011 12:28 PM

                                                                  As a side note to Jan's, I remember when I first started to go there back in the '60's. They were boasting that they were the 1st to use the new "Amazing Radar-Range" (Amana's microwave).

                                                              2. Phurstluv RE: curiousgeo Jan 26, 2011 01:03 PM

                                                                NO, NO, NO. The first poster's comments are right on. And they literally throw the food at you on a paper plate.

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                                                                  mc michael RE: Phurstluv Jan 26, 2011 01:06 PM

                                                                  Different strokes.

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                                                                    running pig RE: Phurstluv Apr 2, 2011 01:28 PM

                                                                    I just went to the Apple Pan today (for the first time) to pick up a piece of their much-lauded banana cream pie. I was warned...service is in fact quite rude...and YES, the bag containing my pie was actually thrown at me on the counter. By the time I got back to my car, the pie was upside down with pie all over the roof of the container; it was an absolute mess.

                                                                    The bummer is this: the pie was PHENOMENAL. I loved it. Must have had an entire banana in my single slice...the cream had just the right amount of egg and vanilla....awesome crust.

                                                                    Dilemma, dilemma....to return or not to return.

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                                                                      Servorg RE: running pig Apr 2, 2011 01:37 PM

                                                                      Perhaps just cut out the middleman completely (the bag) and have them hit you in the face with the pie. ;-D>

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                                                                        bulavinaka RE: Servorg Apr 2, 2011 03:18 PM

                                                                        But haven't the prices on that (the pie in the face) gone up as well? :)

                                                                        I would have opened the bag and checked out the pie. They do make a mess when tossed, right? I haven't been to the Pan in a while, but the older these guys get, the surlier they get as well. I know how much running pig loves her desserts with bananas - this is a dilemma...

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                                                                          running pig RE: bulavinaka Apr 2, 2011 03:54 PM

                                                                          awesome memory, bulavinaka!!!

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                                                                            maudies5 RE: bulavinaka May 10, 2011 02:06 PM

                                                                            Surly server at The Pan? Hector is practically a member of the family. Actually brought my 3 year old grandson there recently and Hector was so sweet to him. The second he sat down, Hector placed an order of fries in front of him and served his burger cut in half. My little grandson loved the whole experience.

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                                                                              Phurstluv RE: maudies5 May 10, 2011 02:35 PM

                                                                              Cute!! No doubt they are nice to their regulars, surly to the rest of us. As it should be.

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                                                                                bulavinaka RE: maudies5 May 10, 2011 06:22 PM

                                                                                Believe me when I say I'm a fan of The Apple Pan. The link to an Apple Pan thread that I got my Chow cherry popped on should be proof enough if you get a chance to read through it:

                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/372510

                                                                                All I'm saying is that the service at The Pan can leave some a little jaded. These guys have more years combined at this place than our country is old. I think they have always been sweet or at least tolerant of younger customers. It's the adults (particularly the ones they don't recognize, which means a lot of them) that they can be a little surly or a bit flippant with.

                                                                      2. wienermobile RE: curiousgeo Feb 16, 2011 08:14 AM

                                                                        Link to new LA Weekly Apple Pan Review from the 30 days 30 burgers story:
                                                                        http://blogs.laweekly.com/squidink/20...

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                                                                          jamiemica RE: curiousgeo May 10, 2011 01:07 PM

                                                                          Order the fries extra crispy

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                                                                            ZoeZ RE: jamiemica Nov 20, 2011 01:14 PM

                                                                            Once a year Chowpup and I go for a crispy fries with mayo dip, burger and banana cream pie - just the experience to relive when she was a puplet and every year i complain about the stools but the nostalgia is the draw and it works.

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                                                                            wolf RE: curiousgeo May 11, 2011 02:16 PM

                                                                            the price of the burgers is not the draw of this place...i don't think its the food either..considering the location and the fact that the place was spared demolition--many favors called in on this one-- to put up some multi floor office/retail..parking is a nightmare at best..my last visit was as disappointing as the first...if your going for the romance of the place thats good...any other reason...pass it by...

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                                                                              Mr Taster RE: wolf May 11, 2011 02:18 PM

                                                                              The romantic nostalgia, and the banana cream pie.

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                                                                            2. TheBurgerBusters RE: curiousgeo May 14, 2011 03:17 PM

                                                                              No! The burgers are miserably bland. However...........the banana cream pie is very good!

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                                                                                mc michael RE: TheBurgerBusters May 14, 2011 04:02 PM

                                                                                Hey, that's your opinion. I like a Hickory Burger with double cheese.

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                                                                                  wienermobile RE: mc michael May 14, 2011 04:13 PM

                                                                                  Another Hickory Burger with cheese and some pie please.

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                                                                                    bulavinaka RE: wienermobile May 14, 2011 04:25 PM

                                                                                    Grabbing a seat at the counter next to mc michael and wienermobile.

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                                                                                      maudies5 RE: bulavinaka May 14, 2011 05:44 PM

                                                                                      Raising hand! I would like to join you. It's O.K. if you share some of my well done fries. I'll ask Hector to pour hickory sauce in the paper plate instead of ketchup. Oh, and I'm going to get grilled onions on my hickory burger. Yum!

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                                                                                        wienermobile RE: maudies5 May 14, 2011 05:45 PM

                                                                                        Glad to have you join us! Let me scoot down a seat. I like my fries well too. We can share our ketchup plate.

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                                                                                        bulavinaka RE: bulavinaka May 14, 2011 07:18 PM

                                                                                        Wow - what a group! Being in the company with some serious Hounds makes me want to share my BC pie with y'all - NOT! ;)

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                                                                                          maudies5 RE: bulavinaka May 14, 2011 08:11 PM

                                                                                          Honored to be included. I only need one small bite of the BCP to feel satisfied. You do know that as you walk in you have to turn right in order to be on Hector's side?
                                                                                          I have often wondered, over the years, if it were possible to charter the Pan for an evening? IIRC, the answer was "no."

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                                                                                    Phurstluv RE: TheBurgerBusters May 14, 2011 06:19 PM

                                                                                    I agree, BurgerBusters, not great food nor service, unless you're a regular, but it is a nostalgic favorite for those who grew up here. The rest of us don't get it.

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                                                                                      lapizzamaven RE: Phurstluv May 14, 2011 08:43 PM

                                                                                      I didnt grow up in the neighborhood, (NYer) but I get and definitely recommend it for the time warp experience...the burgers..not so much.

                                                                                  3. dessed7 RE: curiousgeo May 14, 2011 06:05 PM

                                                                                    Been there during my trip to Cali last summer. Based on a friend's recommendation. I would def check it out, just to say you did. Nothing too special but a cool experience nonetheless.

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                                                                                      Scotty RE: curiousgeo May 14, 2011 10:31 PM

                                                                                      In n Out in Westwood good enough? 99 out of a 100 times I'd go to In n Out instead of Apple Pan (and after that one in a 100 I'd wonder what in the world was I thinking to pay more for something not as good)

                                                                                      1. aadesmd RE: curiousgeo Nov 20, 2011 01:12 AM

                                                                                        Sorry to have come in late on this, but have to respond. I was a medical resident at UCLA, and on a tight budget hit the Apple Pan at least once a week. In the mid 80's, both Hector and Gordon served me the best hamburgers I have ever had, and when I visit L.A. continue to do so. I studied for my board exams on those uncomfortable stools, and when I passed them, H and G's congratulations were heartfelt and warm. This is not a gourmet hamburger, but the coffee is great, the cream is real, as are the personalities in a city where kindness is sorely lacking

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                                                                                          Mr Taster RE: aadesmd Nov 20, 2011 09:58 AM

                                                                                          Sad to say that if you were on the same tight budget today, The Apple Pan would be out of your league.

                                                                                          Mr Taster

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                                                                                            manku RE: Mr Taster Nov 20, 2011 11:54 AM

                                                                                            Agree...however, I feel the same way about virtually every "gourmet" burger as well...$25-35 pp (burger, fries, drink...including tax&tip) is just too much for something that frankly doesn't leave me any more satisfied than in-n-out!

                                                                                            Ditto regarding the "gourmet" pizza trend as well...just too much for a pizza.

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                                                                                              Mr Taster RE: manku Nov 20, 2011 12:03 PM

                                                                                              The problem with The Apple Pan is that it's not a "gourmet" burger, and their prices belie their humble burger shop roots.

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                                                                                                Peripatetic RE: Mr Taster Nov 20, 2011 12:19 PM

                                                                                                At Apple Pan, you're not paying for a great burger. You're paying for a classic burger plus admission to the "Apple Pan museum". I mean this in a good way; I'm not being disparaging.

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                                                                                                  Servorg RE: Peripatetic Nov 20, 2011 12:24 PM

                                                                                                  I had breakfast at John O'Groats last week and along with my main meal (poached eggs bruschetta) I got a short stack of their 7 grain granola pancakes (2 pancakes), plus coffee. Before tip it came to $29. I don't think the prices at the Apple Pan are anything out of the ordinary.

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                                                                                                    kevin RE: Servorg Nov 20, 2011 01:29 PM

                                                                                                    wait, but your poacheg eggs brushechatta is one meal at 8 or 9 bucks, i'd guess. 9 bucks.

                                                                                                    7 grain panckaes is probably 6 bucks an order usually id'd think short staks are 4 to 5 bucks at most, but because it's 7 grain i'd add an extra buck fifty or two bucks. so maybe 7 bucks, and coffee.

                                                                                                    9 +7 + 4 buck coffee = 20 plus tax = 23 and then tip, makes perfect sense, if not cents.

                                                                                                    apple pan, burger with cheese 6.75 plus .50 for 7.25, fries 2.75, soda 1.50, pie, cream pie, for sake of argument, 5.75.

                                                                                                    7.25 + 2.75 + 1.50 + 5.75 = 17.25 plus tax = 20 plus a five buck or more tip = $25, if not more.

                                                                                                    You do the math.

                                                                                                    Also, you got two meals at O groats and at the apple pan, you wouldn't be getting to meal because if you got two burgers, it would have been $35 bucks per person at the apple which would be 5 to 6 bucks more for apple pan over joan o groats, though it is kinda comparing apples to oranges in thsi manner.

                                                                                                    just my three cents on the matter.

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                                                                                                      Servorg RE: kevin Nov 20, 2011 01:43 PM

                                                                                                      Bruschetta is $13.75 and I can't recall what the two pancakes ran. But I do recall the total vividly. $29, plus tip.

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                                                                                                scottca075 RE: manku Nov 20, 2011 07:24 PM

                                                                                                Where do people get a $25-35pp total?

                                                                                                A burger with cheese, $7.25, fries, $2.25, Coke $1.50 + tax is like $12 total plus tip. Even if you tip $3 that is a total of $15

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                                                                                                  Peripatetic RE: scottca075 Nov 20, 2011 07:43 PM

                                                                                                  Kevin added cream pie ($5.75), had the wrong price for fries (should be $2.25, not $2.75) and assumed a "five buck or more tip" (!) tip, which would bring it to at least $23.76.

                                                                                                  However, if you correct the price of the fries and tip 15%, it works out to be $20.73. A 20% tip would bring it to $21.57.

                                                                                                  For the service I get, I can't see tipping more than 20%. However, I understand regulars get better treatment, so if you're a regular, perhaps a 30% tip isn't outrageous.

                                                                                          2. wienermobile RE: curiousgeo Nov 20, 2011 12:02 PM

                                                                                            You know that scene in Ratatouille where the food critic takes one bite and it flashes him back to his childhood. That's what a hickory burger at The Apple Pan does to me. Worth every penny.

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                                                                                              sel RE: wienermobile Nov 20, 2011 01:46 PM

                                                                                              EXACTLY!!!

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                                                                                                maudies5 RE: sel Nov 20, 2011 08:24 PM

                                                                                                I never get cheese. I never order fries and never order dessert. Hickory Burger, with grilled onions, iced tea. My favorite burger anywhere. Not expensive. I don't care for cheese on my burgers and am a little too weight-conscious, these days to order fries, although I will pinch a few from my grandson. Only time I order dessert is when I order a whole banana cream pie for a celebration.

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                                                                                                lapizzamaven RE: wienermobile Nov 20, 2011 07:44 PM

                                                                                                As a transplanted NYer with no sentimental attachments to the Apple Pan, I have to say that i was blown away on my first visit...it was worth the extra few bucks...call it the museum admission fee, as Peripatetic noted, for the time capsule trip.

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                                                                                                meg3325 RE: curiousgeo Nov 21, 2011 09:42 PM

                                                                                                The Apple Pan isn't cheap, but it's the Westside. I don't know if the owners rent or own the property outright, but it may be the reason for their higher prices. The hickory burger is good with fresh, crisp lettuce. It's cash only and has a really old-fashioned cash register. They pour soft drinks into pointy paper cups with a cup holder - totally a flash from the past. The last time I went there the waiter even poured ketchup for me on a paper plate. You don't get this kind of service, attentiveness and friendliness anymore. Maybe that's why people keep coming back. Serve quality food and treat your customers right.

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                                                                                                  foodiemahoodie RE: meg3325 Nov 22, 2011 02:59 AM

                                                                                                  The high prices are because of their rep and the exploit it to the hilt.

                                                                                                  Was watching some Emeril show where he goes to a city and eats in places that are supposed to be great. He does the Apple Pan, Phlilipes French Dip (which I found interesting - interesting that what goes into the food looked like it would taste a lot better than it does).

                                                                                                  A restaurant can ride on that kind of reputation for a long time.

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                                                                                                    E Eto RE: foodiemahoodie Nov 22, 2011 05:45 AM

                                                                                                    The prices at the Apple Pan reflect the "real" cost of serving food. They don't rely on a revolving door of minimum wage labor. All the people working there are career workers, and they get paid a living wage, along with health care, and vacation days. Those are the costs associated with running a business, like any other small or large business. I suppose in the food or retail industry, this business model isn't the norm, as they mostly rely on a slew of part-time labor or those who don't expect to get benefits (like many waiters who work for tips) and it doesn't affect their pricing, but I give a lot of respect to the Apple Pan for being devoted to its employees. The owners have had many opportunities to make a bundle by selling off or developing their piece of prime real estate, but they haven't. You don't have to like the food, but I think it's a pretty special place, and so do many others who return for the food or the experience. Maybe it's me, but I always feel a bit ripped off at a place like Five Guys, but I feel much better paying for a meal at the Apple Pan.

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                                                                                                      kevin RE: E Eto Nov 22, 2011 08:25 AM

                                                                                                      Very very very true on the career waiters discussion. Many of them have supported their families and sent their kids to expensive colleges based on the wage and tips they make at the Apple Pan.

                                                                                                      I've always wanted to get a job there, at least for a few months, but if I was there for a few months, I'd probably also become a career waiter there. And it is true that there are not too many joints around town that still employ career waiters (maybe the Musso and Frank Grill), or a couple other joints.

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                                                                                                        Dogbite Williams RE: E Eto Nov 22, 2011 04:40 PM

                                                                                                        That is a great post, E Eto. Businesses should not be conducted to squeeze every nickel out of every customer and employee by any means possible.

                                                                                                        You post makes me want to dine there more than any mention of the food.

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                                                                                                    curiousgeo RE: curiousgeo Nov 22, 2011 01:15 PM

                                                                                                    Hi all. I'm the OP and am pleasantly surprised to see this post come up. Went to LA in the Spring and had planned on the Apple Pan, but found out it is closed on Mondays, the day we had intended to go there. After my careful planning of meals, I felt rather foolish!

                                                                                                    We ended up at In n Out in Westwood, which my family and I thoroughly enjoyed (double doubles, fries and shakes), the cheapest meal of our trip. I'm still intent on hitting the Apple Pan someday. A visit to LA might be in the works for March, 2012, so I'm crossing my fingers and hoping to try a LA institution.

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                                                                                                      meg3325 RE: curiousgeo Nov 22, 2011 04:45 PM

                                                                                                      As a second choice you picked a good one! In-N-Out is undoubtedly the best fast food hamburger. Period. Like the Apple Pan, they are family-owned and pay their workers well. They are also much cheaper than AP. Hope you and your family enjoyed visiting LA.

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                                                                                                      GoCris RE: curiousgeo Nov 23, 2011 07:18 PM

                                                                                                      Love it or hate it, it's an L.A. institution. You gotta go. Who knows, next time you're in L.A., it might be a Pinkberry.

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                                                                                                        Dogbite Williams RE: curiousgeo May 27, 2012 02:47 PM

                                                                                                        I say, "Hell, no."

                                                                                                        The Hickory Burger did taste pretty good. I like their "own sauce" and the fact that I could add onions (the stupid Chick-Fil-A didn't even have onions on the premises). I did suffer sticker shock - Menu Pages listed the Hickory Burger at $5.00, and at the actual price of $6.75, it's over 3 1/2 times as much as an Inn-N-Out single burger which is about the same size and just as tasty. Available at the Elephant Bar during Happy Hour (and late night Happy Hour) is a combo special: an excellent burger that is roughly 3 times bigger than Apple Pan's plus fries plus a small craft beer for $7.50.

                                                                                                        The banana cream pie was excellent and it was mostly sliced bananas, not sugar, flour and eggs. Was it worth $5.75? I'd say it's a better value than the burger.

                                                                                                        However, when I was there today (Sunday early afternoon) every seat was filled and there were plenty of people waiting. Lots of people obviously love it.

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                                                                                                          maudies5 RE: Dogbite Williams May 27, 2012 08:17 PM

                                                                                                          Is The Apple Pan worth a visit.? "Dogbite Williams says "Hell, no." I say "hell yes" If you want to know why, than read all of the comments

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                                                                                                            foodiemahoodie RE: maudies5 May 27, 2012 08:39 PM

                                                                                                            Worth a visit? Absolutely! Just don't eat there.

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                                                                                                              a213b RE: foodiemahoodie May 27, 2012 09:21 PM

                                                                                                              Have to agree; I absolutely fail to see why this place is so revered. Perhaps I'd feel differently if I grew up out here.

                                                                                                              Burgers are solid/good, fries are "meh", and every time I've had a slice of pie I've ended up chucking the majority of it.

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                                                                                                                foodiemahoodie RE: a213b May 27, 2012 09:41 PM

                                                                                                                The place certainly has a retro nostalgic charm to it - as do a lot of places that are weirdly revered in L.A. that entering feels like a time travel episode from The Twilight Zone - The Pantry, Philippes, Pinks, El Cholo. (fun places for pot-smokers - you get transported). And some of them have one or two good things (Dan Tana's steak or lamb chops, Langer's Pastrami). Every town has a few places like this - (often promoted in Diners Drive-ins and Dives). Interesting if you were a food anthropologist and wanted to know restaurant food that was popular 1/2 a century ag or so.

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                                                                                                                  basildip RE: foodiemahoodie Jul 11, 2012 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                  I admire all you Apple Pan loyalist. I went there once in the 80's--didn't like it at all.
                                                                                                                  Thinking I might be missing something, I went back 10 or so yrs. later. To me, the burger was just average. At that time it was Fat Burgers or Millie's on the East side for me and my buddies. I obviously never became a regular THERE. But I did become a regular at other spots, and I fully understand why you regulars would love the Apple Pan. I cannot speak on the pies. I know I must have tried one of them, being a sweet tooth slave. All I know is that pie did not linger on my taste buds, as the burger did not. But I love it that they pamper their regulars; and, I love that you pampered regular are so loyal in return. I have that same experience at mt favourite Thai restaurant and it is an enhancement to the dining experience. But, I think I'll try the Apple Pan one more time--I'm going to get that hickory burger, extra crispy fries and some kind of pie. Do they have a good berry pie--all of that whip cream makes me wanna' run and settle my tummy with chicken broth. I'll be on the lookout for some of you lovely sounding loyalist.

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                                                                                                                    kevin RE: basildip Jul 11, 2012 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                    I really like the Pan, the biggest problem is there very high prices. There would be some weeks like I treated it as my very own commissary.

                                                                                                                    Having said that they do have boyensberry pie on an off (though it's more the jamm-y kind, so it's not fresh in season), they do have strawberry pie, in season, peach pie, though that one is canned peaches. All are topped with whipped cream. I loved their thick, fresh whipped cream.

                                                                                                                    That reminds me I have not been there in a while, I may have to return soon but sadly I'm on a ultimately-pricey sushi kick these days.

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                                                                                                          bulavinaka RE: curiousgeo Jul 11, 2012 07:10 PM

                                                                                                          My rant: I get the criticisms about the prices - it's been hashed over far too much. But when one realizes "the unseen discount" in prepared food prices, this is primarily due at most places to the inordinate use of undocumented immigrant labor. In the upper tier restaurants, many working the kitchen do so to gain experience at the cost of earning a very low wage as well. It's the reality of the eatery biz at all levels, but not all places. The Apple Pan is one of them. Long-term employees who need and deserve something beyond an under-the-counter wage for their consistency, loyalty and hard work should be rewarded, and owners who feel the same way. And if customers are willing to pay this "dividend" out to this place because they get something in return that they can get no where else, then that's a fair deal. Rant over.

                                                                                                          Basildip and kevin, the banana cream pie is THE pie to get. The fresh cream really sets off the banana filling the best, and imho, it is stellar.

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                                                                                                            kevin RE: bulavinaka Jul 11, 2012 08:07 PM

                                                                                                            Nah, my favorite cream pie is the coconut cream pie, only on wed and fri I believe.

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                                                                                                              kevin RE: bulavinaka Jul 11, 2012 08:10 PM

                                                                                                              sorry it cut off,

                                                                                                              by far the best, and a close second is the apple pie with the rich danish vanilla ice cream plus the cheddar cheese on top to gild the proverbial lilly.

                                                                                                              Yeah, they do get some great tips and great pay. Though some would find the service to be surly and unfriendly at best. I have even heard that one of the not-so old guys working their behind the counter put a couple of his kids through college, at pricey private schools no less, bankrolled by his salary at what is essentially a casual burger and pie joint.

                                                                                                              Some of these guys are definitely making as much as business professionals, etc.

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                                                                                                                bulavinaka RE: kevin Jul 11, 2012 08:32 PM

                                                                                                                I know a chef who heads a couple of respected eateries. He makes enough to easily afford a home in a part of the Westside that is untouchable by the majority of folks. He's only in his 30s but as we learned in Econ 101, a specialized talent or resource usually commands a premium because of its relative scarcity. And The Apple Pan falls in this category as well. Pay can seem arbitrary or maybe even unfair relative to so many jobs in so many industries, but if a place offers what people want at prices that people are willing to pay, then so be it.

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                                                                                                                  kevin RE: bulavinaka Jul 11, 2012 08:42 PM

                                                                                                                  That's very true.

                                                                                                                  I may detest salaries of basketball players for instance, but if the fans are willing to see them, they deserve the pay. Yep, basic econ 1, though at my school back in the day, econ 101 was advanced micro economics.

                                                                                                                  I'll still pay the Pan prices, but at the same time I feel it's just to high. I don't know why.

                                                                                                                  Sorry to beat a dead horse.

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                                                                                                                maudies5 RE: bulavinaka Jul 11, 2012 08:58 PM

                                                                                                                I know that those guys at the counter have raised kids who are now college grads.. Every one is here legally. If those kids have the work ethic of their Dads, they will all be a credit to society.

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