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Jan 25, 2011 10:09 AM

How many of you would starve?

I love animals and I love meat. There's no way I could ever hunt/kill/dress an animal the way our ancestors had to. I would have starved or offered a service in return for the meat someone else prepared. What would you do?

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  1. I am an animal lover--very much so. But I grew up in a hunting family. I don't think I could be the one to take the life--but I can clean the animal and cook it. I think I got that way because my brother was interested in killing and I was interested in eating. Kind of like the men in my family would come home with the kill and I was the only person that would ask "are we going to eat that?" I cleaned my first deer at 8 or 9 from instructions in a wildlife magazine. But the process made me feel ill.
    I guess if left to my own devices in the wild I would be a fishitarian, lol. I love seafood and went shrimping happily many times while living on the carolina coast.

    1. Eat anything other than meat. No need to starve, really.

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      1. re: linguafood

        Well that would depend on where you live. Not many non-animal food sources up north.

        1. re: im_nomad

          And that was true in my case. I grew up in far northern PA and venison was often the order of the day in Nov/Dec. Hey, better than frozen nugget-y type things

        2. re: linguafood

          What about the Masai in Eastern Africa? Or other peoples around the world who depend on animals for food? Part of it is survival, but even if we had the funds to move them to another part of the world and train them to farm, how would they feel about that? I'm all for advancement and do not believe that culture is static. However, the food we eat is a huge part of our culture. Would this scenario be fair?

          1. re: NicoleFriedman

            I thought this was a question directed at us personally. I am not a Massai in Africa, and I could probably live on a strictly vegetarian diet if I had to.

            1. re: NicoleFriedman

              The Masai in Kenya and Tanzania have lost most of their cattle to drought and have been introduced to camels as a replacement. And they're adjusting to it quite well. But not sure what that has to do with this thread.

              1. re: c oliver

                Lol. I was replying to lingua food who suggested that we can get by without having to consume meat. I was pointing out that depending on your locale and your culture that may not necessarily be a likely option.

          2. I doubt most here, myself included, have known true hunger. Go without food for a couple of week and then say you wouldn't kill for food.

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            1. re: ediblover

              Exactly my response. Think of what the Donner party and the Andes plane crash people ate. I bet they would have loved the option to kill an animal rather than doing what they had to do.

              1. re: Cachetes

                FWIW, there's increasing evidence that the Donner Party did NOT practice cannibalism. We live in the area so it certainly got more play here.


                1. re: c oliver

                  Thanks, I vaguely remember that, but I guess it didn't stick. Though I think they likely would have appreciated a nice venison steak!

              2. re: ediblover

                I have not know hunger but my father (and his parents and siblings) did. My father was a WWII refugee, his own father was in a prison camp and up until the ends of both their lives, there was nothing they won't eat or do to obtain food. A real threat of starvation changes one's thinking.

                1. re: cleobeach

                  Thank you for that. I think there's quite a difference between saying "I wouldn't" and "I won't." I know that I would but pray I'm never faced with that.

                  1. re: c oliver

                    This makes me think of the movie "Alive". The survivors of the Andes plane crashed faced an unimaginable situation. I've shown that movie to students and while many say they would "never do that", how do you really know? I would hope that I would do whatever I could, aside from harming someone else, to stay alive. Amazingly, one of the survivors is now a politician in South America. That to me is absolutely incredible and shows what humans are capable of.

                  2. re: cleobeach

                    cleo: thanks for that perspective, it's one many of us in the "first world" have trouble even conceiving.

                  3. re: ediblover

                    Thank God I've never experienced real hunger. You made an excellent point.

                    1. re: ediblover

                      @ediblover - Well put.

                      Also, I don't understand how someone can in good conscience eat factory-killed livestock, while objecting to hunting. Hunting a wild animal is in my opinion much more humane than eating an animal who was merely born to be slaughtered, and usually in a rather cruel fashion. I eat factory-killed food myself, I'm just observing the inconsistency - not condemning the practice.

                      1. re: gothamette

                        I hunt turkey, geese, deer, elk, duck and I fish. I think they are gorgeous creatures and I have the utmost respect for them. I practice my 'art' extensively, and am good at killing. This practice allows me to harvest in a humane, and God-fearing way. You'd be amazed at how many people have chastised me for being a 'butcher' or 'killer' they chow down on a pepperoni pizza, hamburger or chicken caesar salad. 100% agreed @gothamette.

                        If you do not eat any meat product, I will listen to argument, and disagree vehemently. If you eat factory meat (which I, too enjoy) think twice.

                        Butchering is not as bad as you think. Not much different than cutting up a primals. Dressing / gutting, bit of a different story. Not always pretty.

                    2. I have participated in animal butchering. Not the hunt, but dressing the animal and butchering it. It was visceral, and a little difficult to see, but all in all an invaluable learning experience.
                      No, I wouldn't starve and neither would my family and friends. I'd just need hunting lessons for meat. Howevah, I can fish like nobody's business and going Pesca. wouldn't kill us.

                      1. I love animals too. The only thing I kill now is seafood but I would kill a chicken or a rabbit if I had to. Probably not a cow....