Best Chinese Restaurant in Southern California?
What's the best Chinese restaurant in Southern California?
Use whatever criteria you want, whatever type of cuisine (e.g. Sichuan, Cantonese, etc.), type of food (e.g. dim sum, dumplings, noodles, fast food etc.), and price range to make your determination.
Let's not bicker about whether a particular restaurant nominated by a fellow 'Hound is right or wrong.
I just want to hear people's opinions on what they consider to be the best based on whatever criteria they want to use.
The only criteria is that it must serve some type of Chinese food -- be it fast food (Panda Express), Americanized Chinese (Yang Chow), dumplings (101 Noodle Express), or whatever strikes your fancy.
Personally, I have a hard time coming up with one. But if you put a gun to my head I'd probably say SEA HARBOUR.
There, I've committed. SEA HARBOUR would be my nominee for best Chinese restaurant in Southern California.
You?
(Again, please, please, no debating a particular restaurant choice -- lets leave that for a later discussion, if at all.)
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Has anyone been to XINO in Santa Monica? It is located in Santa Monica Place - top floor. I had a quick lunch there once. It was walk-in and I was expecting something along the line of PF Chang. But I though the food was unexpectly good. My husband, mother-in law and I enjoyed the several different selection from their Dim Sum Menu.
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Xino
395 Santa Monica Blvd #308, Santa Monica, CA 90401›1 Reply -
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My favorite recent Chinese pick is Shanghai Yu Garden (Shanghai Yu Yuan). I don't have a "favorite" type of Chinese food, but I probably go with Shanghainese more often than others. It may sound weird that nothing there really blew me away, but for me, Shanghainese food has always been comforting and satisfying. The place is small but has a relatively nice interior, and to top it off, a really convenient and huge parking lot behind it. Can't really go wrong with any of the Shanghainese dishes there, especially the small cold plates.
And since a lot of people are mentioning Sea Harbour, I'll weigh in with my experiences as well. I've only been twice, once for a banquet-style fixed price menu and the other for dim sum. Dim sum was outstanding, but I still prefer Elite for dim sum. The banquet-style menu was quite disappointing, though. It combined some live seafood dishes with others, and it was an early dinner, so it wasn't particularly crowded for the kitchen, but I didn't have any particularly memorable dishes. The seafood was very good quality but the dishes were bland.
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Yu Garden (Shanghai Yu Yuan)
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I think you need to ask more specifically which is the best Chinese restaurant for cheaper eats (say under $25 per person) and best Chinese for finer dining (over $25 per person). Most, but not all, Chinese is cheap eats in So. Cal., so you may not get many replies in the latter ($25+) category. But, first-class/fine dining Chinese restaurants are now gradually popping up in the major cities of the world, so are there any like that in So. Cal.? I don't mean simply expensive, but value to match the price - high caliber, innovative and truly gastronomic Chinese food with polished service, big wine list and well appointed dining room enviroment to match the food. There are LOTS of great Chinese restaurants under $25 per person, but I can't think of even one in the $25+ category that is truly amazing. I can think of Mr. Chow and Phillippe Chow in the LA area, but are there any others? Chow and Chow are OK, but in my opinion nothing really that special in terms of food.
I traveled to Montreal late last year and had what I think is maybe the best Chinese fine dining ($25+) experience in North America called Le Piment Rouge. I was surprised to find such a restaurant in Montreal of all places, but I am craving their food and wishing there was a place like this in So. Cal.! I've seen fine dining Chinese of that caliber in Singapore and Hong Kong (Michelin 2 and 3 star Chinese restaurants), but nowhere else stateside. Does anyone know of a place like that in So. Cal. ...or maybe even in No. Cal.?
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re: Ginger9
Maybe the Puck restaurants WP24 or Chinois on Main fall into that category, but you may notice there's very little mention of those two restaurants on this board, probably due to their inauthenticity. Likewise, Mr. Chow gets ripped to shreds here for the same reason, plus the fact that the food sucks.
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Mr. Chow
344 N. Camden Dr., Beverly Hills, CA 90210WP24
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re: Ginger9
No, I specifically did not delineate any parameters, incl price, because I just want to know what you consider the best Chinese restaurant, period.
For example, Langer's is often considered the ultimate restaurant in LA, even though it is far from fine dining.
To paraphrase the words of one Al Davis ... "Just food, baby, just food!"
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re: Ginger9
Mr. Chow makes something which barely resembles Chinese food, whereas Phillippe Chow offerings barely resemble food at all.
WP24 is fusion Chinese, and their appetizers are decent - Certainly not my favorite in SoCal, though. While I'm on the topic of Wolfgang Puck, his original Sino-fusion eatery, Chinois on Main, is still serviceable after all these years, albeit a bit dated.
Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver have large Chinese expat populations, so there's nothing surprising about finding great Chinese food there.
Again, Sea Harbour remains my pick for both dim sum AND high end Cantonese banquet style (up to $100 per person) dining.
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Mr. Chow
344 N. Camden Dr., Beverly Hills, CA 90210WP24
900 W Olympic Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90015-
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re: Chandavkl
Are places like Sea Harbour, Elite, Lunasia, etc. really considered "high end" in the grand scheme of things?
Unless all you order are fresh seafood -- e.g. fish, lobster, crab, abalone, etc. -- and nothing else, it's quite easy on average, if not par for the course, to have a fantastic dinner at easily $40/pp.
Compare that with say Providence. Can one really have a typical meal at Providence for $40/pp a la carte? Not unless you just have an appetizer or two and nothing else. Same with places like Spago, Patina, Saam, Osteria Mozza, Hatfields, etc.
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Spago
176 North Canon Drive, Beverly Hills, CA 90210Osteria Mozza
6602 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036-
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re: ipsedixit
Sea Harbour has excellent Chinese food, but I agree with ipsedixit that's it's not high end like Providence, Spago, Saam, etc. It's a difference in the finesse and precision of the food and food presentation, service standards, quality of the dining room environment, quality of the wine program, etc.
Many people are so used to good (but not high-end) Chinese food that it's hard to imagine what high-end Chinese food really is until you see it. Try Googling photos and press articles of Lung King Heen (Michelin 3 star Chinese restaurant at the Four Seasons Hotel in Hong Kong) - there is a big difference between what may be considered high end Chinese in So Cal vs. what really is high end Chinese by global standards.
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re: Ginger9
Scene WSJ is also a great site for what's current in Asia. Terrific stuff.
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re: Ginger9
Michelin may know the thread count of the linens used in the dining room, but it has no idea that Uncle Harry's slow-cooked herbal chicken soup from the fluorescent bulb-lit hole-in the-wall eatery 3 blocks over bests Lung King Heen's by a mile.
Michelin has no credibility when it comes to Chinese. Michelin stars are what first-time French visitors look for when they go to Honk Kong. And for that purpose, the Michelin system works great.
In any case, the original question posed is for the best in Southern California, not the world.
If the discussion were to extend beyond SoCal, I would argue that Singapore is a better food city than Hong Kong anyways.
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re: Ginger9
"...there is a big difference between what may be considered high end Chinese in So Cal vs. what really is high end Chinese by global standards."
It depends on the standard used to judge "high end". I agree with others: Michelin has no idea about what good Chinese food is all about. It's like having a Chinese dining group rate restaurants world wide. Their standards of judging Western foods would probably be vastly different. Here's an interesting, older article about three Sichuan chefs evaluating the French Laundry and western dining in general: http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000s...
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re: raytamsgv
Absolutely wonderful article. Although I suspect such a well-traveled writer and chef such as Fuschia Dunlop is "playing dumb" for dramatic effect about being surprised by certain aspects of Chinese culture (such as their revulsion of raw meat or uncooked vegetables, which is no surprise to anyone even marginally acquainted with Chinese people & food traditions... let along a food writer who actually lives in China.)
Thank you very much for sharing this link.
Mr Taster
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Okay.... slightly silly but I have some logic here....
How about Phoenix Bakery? Because now you can have some dim sum before you dig into what you really came for but couldn't order JUST that - the fresh strawberry cake.
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Phoenix Bakery
969 N Broadway, Los Angeles, CA›4 Replies-
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re: Das Ubergeek
Never? Oh my - you should!
When I first moved to LA, I liked it as it was the closest I could easily find to italian Casada cake - a white layer cake filled with fresh strawberries and vanilla custard, iced with slightly sweetened whipped cream and then topped with giant shavings of white chocolate. (It tastes much lighter and fresher than it reads, I promise.)
Now I love the fresh strawberry cake just for it's simple self.
But you've got me thinking - tea smoked eggs. I've never had those. Maybe it's time for another visit...
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re: Das Ubergeek
Point of clarification... Happybaker is referring to Phoenix Bakery in Chinatown, not the SGV Phoenix you are thinking of. One is a modern cafe which caters to the Chinese community and the other is an old Chinatown standard with that kung-fu bamboo font on the sign outside.
We tasted their strawberry cake for our wedding and it was fine but inelegant..... More suited to a kid's birthday party. (we went with Van's in Rosemead).
Mr Taster
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Phoenix Bakery
969 N Broadway, Los Angeles, CA
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Sea Harbour is clearly in a class by itself when it comes to Dim Sum and I would venture the
guess its one of the best in the USA. I once asked the manager if his food was as good as his
sister restaurants in China which I believe are in Peking and he said the Restaurant in Peking
was much larger seating 500 and had a much bigger selection of DimSum as they could employ
more people. I found Sea Harbour by accident when driving down Rosemead and saw a parking
lot overflowing with expensive cars and checked it out and have been a happy customer ever
since then and by the way the service is terrific too and the prices also beyond fair. -
Well, KABC Channel 7 just happened to do a segment on their 6 AM newscast this morning in which they weighed in on the top 7 (wonder why they couldn't figure out some way to use their Doppler 7000 weather radar in this story?) Chinese restaurants in LA.
This was done by their "traffic reporter" Alysha Delvalle in conjunction with City Search.com. One immediate point about this story is that they started with their number 1 pick. Who doesn't know that you count down from the bottom to the top when doing this?
In any case the top 7 were:
1. WP24 at LA Live
2. Yang Chow in Chinatown
3. Chi Dynasty Los Feliz
4. Din Tai Fung Arcadia
5, Empress Pavillion Chinatown
6. Happy Family Restaurant Monterey Park
7. Full House Chinatown
And they even gave a bonus ranking to places outside the immediate LA area with
Orange County's number one: Peking Gourmet in Garden Grove
Inland Empire's number one: Dragon House in Riverside
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Ventura County's number one: Gourmet Oriental
Whew, now I'm exhausted.
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Din Tai Fung Restaurant
1108 S Baldwin Ave, Arcadia, CA 91007Yang Chow Restaurant
3777 E Colorado Blvd, Pasadena, CA 91107Happy Family
301 S Western Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90020Dragon House
10466 Magnolia Ave, Riverside, CA 92505Peking Gourmet
9092 Garden Grove Blvd, Garden Grove, CA 92844Gourmet Oriental
67 W Main St, Ventura, CA 93001WP24
900 W Olympic Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90015Chi Dynasty
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re: mc michael
I got the feeling it was mostly City Search that came up with the list based on some number generated by their users. But I really don't know. Alysha is awfully pretty and the food that they showed at WP24 looked wonderful on camera. Hey, the upcoming Chinese New Year generated this whole "story" in any case.
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re: Servorg
Why exhaust yourself typing it out when you can just provide a hyperlink to the article and video?
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?sec...
Alysha tells us that Yang Chow serves authentic Chinese cuisine. How interesting!
Mr Taster
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Going by the only criterion that matters (the place I crave most often), the answer is JTYH.
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JTYH Restaurant
9425 Valley Blvd, Rosemead, CA 91770›6 Replies-
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re: Chandavkl
Hmm. On that yardstick for me that would be Union Buffet in West Los Angeles since I'm there once a week. But then I would be excommunicated from Chowhound.
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Really? the "place you crave most often" is Union Buffet?
I never realized that frequency can actually lead to addiction ... oh wait .. nevermind.
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For dim sum, Lunasia on Main St. in Alhambra...no carts like the traditional dim sum places, but they make it fresh and hot usually.
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Main St Cafe
450 Main St, El Segundo, CA 90245›2 Replies-
re: jenn_grey
Mentioning Lunasia raises an interesting point. Should cost be eliminated in the determination of the best restaurant? I think Lunasia is a step behind Sea Harbour and Elite, but taking into account the lower cost it's a much better value and I go there more often than Sea Harbour and Elite. Logically cost should not play a role in choosing the best Chinese restaurant. But if cost is ignored would I be forced to say Yank Sing is the best Chinese restaurant in San Francisco and Chinatown Brasserie is the best Chinese restaurant in Manhattan? Because I would never ever go back to either of those two due to the highly inflated tab.
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Yangming is number one! Oh - sorry, wrong thread... :)
Sea Harbour for doing a lot of things very very well. Still waiting for the maitre d' in the taylored suit to break out his version of, "Beyond the Sea."
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re: Chandavkl
The "competition" shows eight different "Top 100" lists. The Palace Restaurant on Hillhurst came in at number 11 for Overall Excellence. After that, Happy Harbor in Rowland Heights comes in at number 34.
http://top100.chinesemenu.com/event/2...
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Happy Harbor Restaurant
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re: bulavinaka
There was some discussion of this on egullet recently too.
The competition is kind of absurd. For one thing, it's pretty clear that the restaurants have to pay a fee to be in the competition; for another, there are several different categories, so easy for a given restaurant to be in one of them. Very few of the restaurants are in a place where a lot of Chinese people live or work, presumably because this award is probably not followed by very many Chinese.
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my fave is Tampa Garden on Roscoe/Tampa in Northridge.
they make Americanized dishes and authentic dishes and all are fabulous. her version of Orange Chicken is perfect. and somehow, when you reheat it in the microwave a day or so later, it's not at all soggy. still totally crispy. it's like a little Chinese food miracle.
i adore their handmade cat ear noodles with chicken. i do not know what they do to their chicken meat, but it literally melts in your mouth. you barely have to chew it. and it is flavorful and moist.
i love that everyone from the foddiest foodie to your Uncle Joe who thinks Taco Bell is ethnic food can find something on the menu and be happy.
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In some ways, isn't this a little like Best European Restaurant in Southern California? I love Sea Harbour and Elite - which are similar - but I am no more always in the mood for their food than I am for, say, Italian or French or Spanish or Portuguese indiscriminately. I don't really go out for "Chinese food." I go out for Cantonese or other types of seafood, Sichuan, Shanghainese, dumplings, etc. I can't even recall the last time the thought process went like: I want Chinese food, okay, what type of Chinese food, where? It's more like, I want Shanghai food, where?
One of the joys of L.A. is the diversity within cuisines. It's pretty much got the same way with Mexican food as with Chinese.
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re: estone888
ipsedixit posed the question fully aware of the absurdity and oversimplification required in order to answer it. It's just meant to be a fun exercise, not an analytical interpretation of the intricacies of Chinese food across LA. He's including Panda Express in the mix, fehcrissake! :)
Mr Taster
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re: Liquid Sky
You should review this review http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/726974 (g) and then make a battle plan and go.
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re: Mr Taster
Okay, point taken. I was in a cranky mood I guess. It's been one of those sorts of days. I suppose for just plain fun dining with great food and reasonable prices my pick would probably be Newport Seafood, although for a special occasion I'd probably have to concur with Sea Harbour, although it's a close thing with Elite. (But it has been a while since I've been to Elite for anything other than dim sum.)
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Newport Seafood Restaurant
4411 W 1st St, Santa Ana, CA 92703-
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re: estone888
While I enjoy the Newport Seafood in San Gabriel, not Alhambra, on Las Tunas, my favorites are Hunan Seafood on Valley near Rosemead, and China Islamic, with Newport Seafood 3rd place and Chung King 4th.
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Chung King Restaurant
1000 S San Gabriel Blvd, San Gabriel, CA 91776China Islamic Restaurant
7727 Garvey Ave, Rosemead, CA 91770Hunan Seafood Restaurant
8772 E Valley Blvd, Rosemead, CA 91770
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Wow, that's a tough one, particularly given the diversity of Chinese food in Southern California. I have lots of favorites, as I'm sure many people do. I agree that Sea Harbor is great, as are Elite and King Hua for dim sum and Cantonese. I've been really liking Wok and Noodle lately and Shanghainese is one of my favorite Chinese cuisines, and it's hard to beat Dean Sin World for XLB SJB.
But if I had to pick just one I think I'd opt for Chung King. I don't think I've ever had a dish I haven't enjoyed there, from the cold appetizer line up of smoked chicken and boiled peanuts to the intensely peppercorned boiled beef and fish and fried chicken, and the pork with pickled peppers. Even the more innocuous dishes like the deep fried fish are excellent.
So Chung King it is for me.
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Chung King Restaurant
1000 S San Gabriel Blvd, San Gabriel, CA 91776Dean Sin World
306 N Garfield Ave # 2, Monterey Park, CAKing Hua Restaurant
2000 W Main St, Alhambra, CA 91801Wok and Noodle
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