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tlubow Jan 17, 2011 12:25 PM

My husband and I are coming to NYC on Friday for the weekend and we're planning to go to either Barney Greengrass or Russ + Daughters. Btw, thanks to all of you who already helped us plan our trip. I've had plenty of nova, whitefish, sable, baked salmon, etc. in my day, but I've never had sturgeon. What is it like? How do you eat it - on a bagel? with eggs? If I'm getting a bagel with 1/2 nova and 1/2 sable, am I making a mistake by not trying the sturgeon? Thanks!

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    kagemusha49 RE: tlubow Jan 17, 2011 12:43 PM

    Smoked sturgeon is quite tasty, white, delicate, slightly meaty - completely different from smoked salon or trout and definitely worth trying. You can put it on a bagel in much the same way as smoked salmon.

    1. boredough RE: tlubow Jan 17, 2011 01:01 PM

      In case it's of any use to you (like if you get to Barney Greengrass and the line is too long), you should know about Murray's Sturgeon Shop (could the name be better suited to your needs?) on Broadway between 89th & 90th. It's not a sit-down place like BG, but the quality of their smoked fish is excellent.

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      Barney Greengrass
      541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

      Murray's Sturgeon Shop
      2429 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

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        michelleats RE: boredough Jan 18, 2011 05:47 PM

        Murray's does seem to be very good. I've only been there a few times, but each time, the cutting was excellent.

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          plf515 RE: boredough Dec 31, 2011 11:59 AM

          It's the same fish.

          I know a guy who works at the company that supplies fish to both places (and also many others). Same fish.

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            MartyPerez RE: plf515 Jul 12, 2012 01:46 PM

            Is it Banner smoked fish?

        2. MVNYC RE: tlubow Jan 17, 2011 01:45 PM

          Definitely worth getting. As someone else said Sturgeon is different from sable or salmon. Since it will be you and your husband you could always get a third bagel to split. You can get half with sturgeon and half with another fish for you to try.

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            Chuck Lawrence RE: tlubow Jan 17, 2011 07:55 PM

            "If I'm getting a bagel with 1/2 nova and 1/2 sable, am I making a mistake by not trying the sturgeon?"

            YES

            Barney Greengrass is not called the Sturgeon King for nothing. If you have a taste for smoked fish, you will appreciate the uniqueness of sturgeon, You are in for a treat.
            I suggest the Sturgeon Platter, knowing that appetizers of Nova and/or sable are possible additions. To further complicate matters, the whitefish salad is 'to die for.'
            Arrive early to avoid the crowds.
            Enjoy!

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            Barney Greengrass
            541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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              tlubow RE: Chuck Lawrence Jan 18, 2011 05:49 AM

              Okay, I'm sold on the sturgeon. We will fit it in somehow even if we have to eat more than we planned! But my follow up question is this: we are planning on Ellis Island on Sat. so our A plan was to go to Russ & Daughters, gets bagels and then go to Katz's and get a sandwich and eating it all at Katz's. Our B plan if it's too cold for Ellis Island is to go to Barney Greengrass and then hit one of the museums up there. Is the sturgeon equally as good at Russ & Daughters?

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              Barney Greengrass
              541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

              Russ & Daughters
              179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

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                rose water RE: tlubow Jan 18, 2011 08:50 AM

                not having been to barney greengrass, i can't compare, but everything i've ever had at russ and daughters has been exceptional.

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                  Lau RE: rose water Jan 18, 2011 10:51 AM

                  i agree on russ and daughters, their smoked fish is really exceptional...i really like their smoked sturgeon

                  ive never had barney greengrass though, so i cant compare

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                    tlubow RE: Lau Jan 18, 2011 10:53 AM

                    Did you have it as a platter or on a bagel?

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                      Lau RE: tlubow Jan 18, 2011 10:56 AM

                      i got it as a separate platter, i dont like it on a bagel actually

                      i stuff i generally get is one of their smoked salmon on a bagel with cream cheese, pickled herring in cream sauce, smoked sable and smoked sturgeon (although not in one sitting just generally i mean).

                      it is one of the few really old school NY "institution" type places that i actually think serves a really great quality product that deserves all the praise it gets as opposed to a veniero's where you're living off the reputation built a long time ago on long since dead quality product

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                      daffyduck RE: Lau Jan 18, 2011 10:57 AM

                      both are good. but i like the sturgeon better at Barney Greengrass. everything else though, prefer Russ and Daughters.

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                      541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                        tlubow RE: daffyduck Jan 18, 2011 11:05 AM

                        I looked at the weather report and it's going to be cold, cold, cold on Saturday, so Ellis Island may be off and Barney Greengrass will probably be on. That being said, what about the sturgeon and eggs?

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                        541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                          Chuck Lawrence RE: tlubow Jan 18, 2011 11:34 AM

                          For me smoked sturgeon is a real delicacy. While I'm sure the egg dish is nice, I'm a purist - just cream cheese and bagel.

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                    Chuck Lawrence RE: tlubow Jan 18, 2011 11:17 AM

                    Everything at Russ and Daughters is delicious but there is only one Sturgeon King.

                    I suggest you have an early sit down breakfast at Barney Greengrass, then hop on the subway at Bway and 86th to Battery Park and Ellis Island (a memorable site, to be sure). Then, like many of our ancestors, head to the Lower East Side and Katz's. You can always hit Russ and Daughters after, have them pack up supplies in an insulated bag, and take it home with you.
                    Also, il Laboratorio del Gelato is right there...

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                      Lau RE: Chuck Lawrence Jan 18, 2011 11:20 AM

                      sounds like i need to head to barney greengrass....i wish LES was closer to UWS b/c it's one hell of a trek, but ill make it up there

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                        MVNYC RE: Lau Jan 18, 2011 11:26 AM

                        Come on Lau, you seem to make the long flight to Asia or the West Coast easily. Transferring between the F and the B is not bad nor between the E and the C or the NR and the 1.

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                          Lau RE: MVNYC Jan 18, 2011 11:28 AM

                          haha this is true

                          ok i just looked it up on google maps directions, i should be able to get there in like 35-40 mins, i guess its not that bad

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                          daffyduck RE: Lau Jan 19, 2011 12:04 PM

                          if youre coming from around Katz just take the one stop over to W4 and transfer there.

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                    CatoUWS RE: tlubow Jan 18, 2011 07:40 AM

                    Get to Barney's before 10:00 on Sunday morning and you'll probably get a table pretty quickly. After 10:00 it really fills up fast.

                    If you've never had sturgeon, this is the place to try it.

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                      yebo RE: tlubow Jan 18, 2011 11:41 AM

                      I recommend against the sturgeon and egs. The sturgeon loses its fabulous, distinctive quality and is more of a good, salty smoked fish in the eggs. I do love BG's "eggs and onions" without wasting smoked fish on it.

                      I live eating sturgeon on open-faced bagel. Thisi s more difficult to construct standing outside. Also, sturgeon to me tastes best not right from fridge but having been at room temp a while - for ex., buying from R and D and constructing in your lodgings.

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                        jon RE: yebo Jan 19, 2011 12:10 PM

                        for reference, i bought a pound of the smoked sturgeon from R&D on sunday and gave half to my dad. it is glorious. this morning i ate the last of my portion and now i am sad. agreed though that sturgeon does taste better at room temp and on an open-faced bagel.

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                          tlubow RE: jon Jan 24, 2011 09:16 AM

                          Thanks everyone for your suggestions. We ended up at Barney Greengrass at 11:30 on Saturday morning and were lucky enough to get seated right away at the last table for two. Within 15 minutes there was a line! We had a sturgeon, sable and nova platter, with 3 (yes three) bagels! We loved the sturgeon, and the nova was good, but I think my favorite smoked fish is the sable. Also, I saw both whitefish and whitefish salad going out to other tables and was a little disappointed that we didn't get the $85.00 platter that had it all! When we come back in warmer weather, we'll give R&D a try. Thanks for the advice.

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                          Barney Greengrass
                          541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                            Zabar RE: tlubow Dec 26, 2011 01:33 PM

                            I'm familiar with all of the "usual suspects"; Murray's, Barney Greengrass, Russ & Daughters and of course, my namesake "Zabar's".
                            My question is "WHERE do these famous smoke food emporiums buy their "Smoked Sturgeon?"
                            I think that "Banner Smoked Fish" in Coney Island supplies only some of the smoked fish that is siold at Zabar's.
                            Am I mistaken in believing that the actual wholesale smoke house that prepares the smoked sturgeon is more important than the specific store where you purchase it? Zabar

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                              small h RE: Zabar Dec 26, 2011 01:36 PM

                              Here's one supplier:

                              http://www.acmesmokedfish.com/

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                                Zabar RE: small h Dec 27, 2011 07:09 AM

                                Thank you "small h"...
                                I am also familiar with the wares of "Acme" and I've discovered that the quality of Acme's products vary and are very often less than spectacular.
                                The answers that I am really seeking are the names of each smokehouse/ wholesaler that supply the "sturgeon" to each of the retailer stores that I mentioned in my original post.
                                Any answer from a Chowhounder that is certain of the specific smokehouse source would be greatly appreciated.
                                FYI, I have emailed "Scott G" (the general manager of Zabar's) in an attempt to get at least one of the answers. Zabar

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                                  small h RE: Zabar Dec 27, 2011 08:05 AM

                                  I could be wrong (and I hope I am, for your sake), but I don't think Zabar's is going to readily give up the name of its supplier. Because Zabar's would like you to buy from Zabar's.

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                        City Kid RE: tlubow Dec 27, 2011 08:50 AM

                        FYI: It seems Acme is at the epicenter of the smoked fish universe. The quality of products varies -- i.e., Food Emporium carries different products from Zabar's, and places like Zabar's get the "pick of the litter." Zabar's hardly keeps their supplier a secret, in fact they feature it on their blog, below, second link:
                        http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/14/mag...
                        http://zabars.typepad.com/zabars/2011...

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                        Zabar's
                        2245 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

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                          small h RE: City Kid Dec 27, 2011 08:53 AM

                          Oh! I stand corrected about whether Zabar's is open about getting their fish from Acme (as I suspected they did).

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                            Zabar RE: small h Dec 27, 2011 03:14 PM

                            Thank you "City Kid" for that very informative NYT article and exceptionally interesting Acme video regarding Saul Zabar's weekly shopping excursions to the Acme plant in Greenpoint - Brooklyn.
                            If anyone pays close attention to the narrative in the Acme video or the content of the New York Times article, it will be immediately noticed that there is not a single, solitary word uttered about "smoked sturgeon".
                            Forgive me for being stubborn, but I'm still awaiting a response from Scott Goldshine (the General Manager of Zabar's) regarding the source of their "smoked sturgeon" product. Scott wanted to get permission from Saul Zabar BEFORE he gave me an answer.
                            So, let's be patient and hopefully learn the real answer to this question, once and for all time.

                            The other interesting thing that I learned as a result of the "City Kid" website links is that all of the other major NYC smoked fish emporiums; including Russ & Daughters, Barney Greengrass and Murray's Sturgeon Shop take a back seat to dear old Zabar's, due to the now unquestionable fact that Saul Zabar gets first choice of any smoked fish product being manufactured by Acme. And now we all know which is the very best place to buy smoked salmon, sable and whitefish in the metropolitan NYC area, and, to boot, at the lowest price!
                            This information will probably become a bone of contention to all of the BG lovers on this blog, and, I'm quite certain that at least one of them would want to remind me that you cannot sit down to freshly sliced smoked fish at Zabar's tiny eat-in area, as you can always do at Barney Greengrass.

                            Personally, I've never seen any pre-packaged "smoked sturgeon" product sold by Acme. Although vacuum packaged Acme "smoked salmon", "sable" and "whitefish" are all readily available throughout the metropolitan NYC area; now we all know that the quality just aint the same as what is being sold by Zabar's on 80th Street & Broadway. Zabar

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                            Zabar's
                            2245 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

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                              addictedtolunch RE: Zabar Dec 27, 2011 04:12 PM

                              I've always been in the minority here arguing, after a lifetime of over-eating the stuff from all over, that Zabar's was the most consistent performer of the crowd. I agree with "Zabar". But the others offer a wonderful shopping experience as well.

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                                Zabar RE: addictedtolunch Dec 27, 2011 04:43 PM

                                "Amen" to the sentiments of "addictedtolunch".

                                Just walking into Russ & Daughters to order their incomparable "pickled herring" or going to Barney Greengrass for an old-fashioned "chocolate danish" and a very good cup of coffee brings chills down my spine, evoking the look, feelings and aromas of the "good old days" and a bygone era.
                                I can still remember the sights, sounds and smells of the Horowitz Bros.smokehouse on Van Sindren Avenue in Brownsville, Brooklyn (more than 60 years ago) where I used to peek into the smokehouse and see 100s of whitefish hanging on hooks.
                                In the early 1950s, the Horowitz Bros. outlet store sold slightly damaged "smoked whitefish chubs" at approximately 30 cents per pound, and, if not for this discounted and almost wholesale price, I doubt that my family would have ever enjoyed smoked fish on any Sunday morning. Zabar

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                                Barney Greengrass
                                541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

                                Russ & Daughters
                                179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

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                                  Lau RE: Zabar Dec 27, 2011 05:14 PM

                                  nice video and wow 60 years ago, you must've seen a ton of NY food culture come and go over that time!

                                  btw are you actually saul zabar?

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                                    Zabar RE: Lau Dec 27, 2011 05:50 PM

                                    Dear "Lau":
                                    Yes, I'm a foodie from way back, and, many of my friends get a real "charge" in hearing my stories about the food legends of yesteryear.

                                    I guess you missed my CH thread regarding the "Fukienese Pork Chops" at "Foo Joy" in Chinatown???

                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/777261

                                    No, I'm not, BUT, I sure wish that I was fortunate enough to have been born Saul Zabar. I can just imagine earning my living (in part) by going to Greenpoint every week for the past 50 years, in order to taste, decide upon, and, buy the best smoked fish made by Acme. Zabar

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                                      Lau RE: Zabar Dec 27, 2011 06:01 PM

                                      that's very interesting, you've probably seen more than almost anyone on the board in terms of NYC food / restaurants coming and going, very cool

                                      i did see that and i'm actually glad you just reminded me as i believe i know what dish you're talking about (I write alot about Chinese food on chowhound) and while i dont know where to find it off the top of my head, i think i can give you a recipe for the dish you're looking for (it's not too hard to make)

                                      btw i live close to russ and daughters and i adore the place, but that video is very interesting, i wish the UWS wasn't so far from the LES, but now i want to try zabar's vs R&D vs Barney Greengrass and see if i can tell the difference. also if you listen closely he said he buys all his sable and almost all his white fish from acme, but didn't mention salmon although he did say he thought 90% of his product comes from acme and based on that other article it seems likely they get that from acme too

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                                        PesachBenSchlomo RE: Lau Dec 27, 2011 06:41 PM

                                        I never saw "flieglach" anywhere but R&D's either. I never asked at at Barney Greengrass, though.

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                                          Zabar RE: Lau Dec 27, 2011 07:20 PM

                                          Dear "Lau":
                                          I have actually attempted to recreate the original Foo Joy recipe that I re-printed from a 1970s New York Times restaurant review. The only ingredient that I had to substitute was the "rice wine lee". I have searched and searched and cannot find any store that sells it. If you can advise me as to where I can buy a "rice wine lee", I will be truly grateful. Please send me a PM or post the source on this thread. Zabar

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                                            Lau RE: Zabar Dec 27, 2011 08:01 PM

                                            check the original post

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                                            MVNYC RE: Lau Dec 29, 2011 04:25 PM

                                            Lau, Zabar's is what I grew up with and I always considered it the best. Russ and Daughters though serves excellent Jewish appetizing as well. Since I have never done a back to back I could not tell you which was better but they are both very good. As much as people love to claim one is the best sometimes there are equals. Really only a blind taste test could settle personal preferences.

                                            Still you should head up to Zabars sometime anyway, it is a great market.

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                                              Lau RE: MVNYC Dec 29, 2011 05:31 PM

                                              yah i love R&D, but i will make it up to zabar's one day

                                              i really like the pickled herring and creme at R&D, this all reminds me that i need to write up a post with pics and everything on R&D

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                                            Motosport RE: Zabar Dec 30, 2011 07:21 AM

                                            Foo Joy!! Fond memories!! I still search for those "red" pork chops!!!

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                                              Lau RE: Motosport Dec 30, 2011 07:36 AM

                                              Motosport - check the thread that Zabar started, i'm pretty sure i know how to make these (should be pretty easy)
                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/777261

                                              i need to find the hong zao, which scoopG and bigjeff just likely solved for me and i think we're in business
                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/825623
                                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/825624

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                                                Motosport RE: Lau Dec 30, 2011 08:12 AM

                                                Let me know when you are making them and I'll be over for dinner.
                                                Another Foo Joy favorite was Blue Crab Fukienese style. I loved that place.
                                                While eating dinner small groups of men would head into the kitchen and alomost no one would ever leave. I quickly figured it for a gambling den.

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                                      City Kid RE: Zabar Dec 28, 2011 07:31 AM

                                      Hey, Zabar: this was actually the article I had been looking for re. Zabar's and smoked sturgeon...the answer is still the same -- Acme! And yes, Zabar does have the run of the place so it seems they get the best quality.
                                      http://www.nysun.com/food-drink/how-m...

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                                        Zabar RE: City Kid Dec 28, 2011 08:47 AM

                                        "City Kid":
                                        You're a man after my own heart.
                                        I have also continued my quest for current information regarding the purveyors who supply Mr. Zabar et al with their smoked sturgeon.
                                        I found a blog written by John Lubans (a noted foodie) regarding his trip to the Rego Smoked Fish Co. in Middle Village, Queens with Saul Zabar in 2002, while Rego was still a viable smokehouse. I'm providing you with a link to this article for your personal amusement and the entertainment of all other smoked fish mavens in cyberspace:

                                        http://blog.lubans.org/index.php?amou....

                                        If I ever learn the names of the smokehouses (other than Acme) that are supplying Murray's, R&D and BG with smoked sturgeon, I will share this information with the readership of Chowhound. Zabar

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                                          City Kid RE: Zabar Dec 28, 2011 10:02 AM

                                          Interesting, Zabar, thanks, from City Kid (not a guy!)

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                                            Zabar RE: City Kid Dec 28, 2011 11:54 AM

                                            I spoke to "Ira" at Murray's Sturgeon Shop earlier today and I just received an email from Scott Goldshine at Zabar's. Both of them refused to acknowledge their sources for smoked sturgeon.

                                            Interestingly, I also called "Carmen" at the Rego Smoked Fish Co. in Middle Village - Queens. Since the death of Rego's owner (Conrad "Connie" Spizz), Rego has not smoked any fish. However, they are still selling products that they acquire from other sources.
                                            Many moons ago (in 1969), I lived in Briarwood, Queens and I would frequently travel to the Rego smokehouse in Middle Village to acquire a supply of goodies. I could never have imagined back then that Saul Zabar was also making weekly trips and that he was so fond of the antique "gravity" ovens that were used by Rego to smoke their sturgeon, salmon and sable.

                                            If "City Kid's" research is accurate, it appears that ALL of the smoked sturgeon being sold by our four favorite retail stores is coming from the same source - ACME, and, the ONLY difference in choosing which store to buy it is the convenience of the location, the skill of the counterman who slices it and the price that you pay for it. BUT, let's not forget that Mr. Zabar has 1st dibbs on the best of all varieties of the fish that is smoked by Acme, so maybe Zabar's is actually preferable to R&D, BG and Murray's, after all?

                                            Who woulda thunk that there is a monopoly in the smoked fish industry? Zabar

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                                            Zabar's
                                            2245 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

                                            Murray's Sturgeon Shop
                                            2429 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

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                                              Lau RE: Zabar Dec 28, 2011 12:57 PM

                                              do u know the price differential between them? i always go to russ & daughters but thats as you said b/c of convenience (UWS is really far from the LES)

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                                                Zabar RE: Lau Dec 28, 2011 02:02 PM

                                                In my opinion, paying a few dollars more or less per pound for smoked fish is not as important as knowing that I'm buying the best quality available to me at any store in NYC. Zabar

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                                                  Lau RE: Zabar Dec 28, 2011 02:25 PM

                                                  i agree with that, i was just curious if it was some outrageous price difference

                                                  that said, going to zabar's from the LES when i can go to R&D also probably doesn't justify itself for what is likely a fairly small difference in quality

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                                                  Zabar RE: Lau Dec 31, 2011 02:42 PM

                                                  "Lau"... a few days ago, you asked if I knew the difference in price for Smoked Sturgeon?
                                                  Russ & Daughters sells it online @ $51.96 per pound and Zabar's sells it online for $65.00 per lb.which translates into a 12.51 percent price differential.
                                                  If you read my latest research on smoked sturgeon prices, the product being sold at Olma Food is suspiciously cheap, however, maybe I'm just being paranoid? I wonder where Olma Food is getting their smoked sturgeon? I'm willing to bet that it's probably sourced from northern Canada, because at $24 per lb. it certainly aint coming from Acme! Zabar

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                                                    Lau RE: Zabar Dec 31, 2011 03:53 PM

                                                    ahhh very interesting

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                                              foodwhisperer RE: Zabar Dec 29, 2011 09:53 PM

                                              Marshall's used to supply Russ and Daughters and just about everyone who handled smoked fish. I'm not sure of all the varieties Marshall''s had, but I've had really good smoked salmon . Marshall's (near meeker and morgan ave) is out of business now.

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                                              PesachBenSchlomo RE: City Kid Dec 29, 2011 06:30 PM

                                              Any idea where Fairway gets appetizing?

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                                                Zabar RE: PesachBenSchlomo Dec 30, 2011 03:41 AM

                                                "PesachBenSchlomo"....
                                                In response to your question, perhaps this 2007 CH posting will shed some light:

                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/391228

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                                                  PesachBenSchlomo RE: Zabar Dec 30, 2011 05:04 AM

                                                  Thanks. Maybe there is a lesson here about how important the skill of the counterman is. I no longer can speak to the quality of the West Side Fairway, and I have only visited the East Side store once, but I do stop at the 125th Street store on my way in and out of town (there's no such thing as appetizing where I live) and I have never been overly impressed.

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                                                    Zabar RE: PesachBenSchlomo Dec 30, 2011 06:08 AM

                                                    Sometimes (I guess like many other CHers), I can become obsessive about food.
                                                    Due to my personal feelings about (what I perceive to be) an apparent monopoly in the distribution of Smoked Sturgeon within the greater metropolitan NYC area, I have been emailing companies all over the USA and Canada in an attempt to locate a reasonably priced smokehouse that manufactures high quality smoked sturgeon or Nova Scotia Salmon.
                                                    Thus far, I have found a highly respected smokehouse in Tangier, Nova Scotia (Canada) that will gladly sell and ship all kinds of Smoked Salmon and other types of smoked fish. Alas, they do NOT produce smoked sturgeon::

                                                    http://www.willykrauch.com/

                                                    My goal is to locate other smokehouses that will sell one pound minimum orders that are separated into two 1/2 lb. vacuum-sealed packages (preserved with dry ice or a similar substance) and shipped via overnight UPS or Fedex to Chowhounders. This will allow for the immediate consumption of a 1/2 lb. of your smoked sturgeon or Nova, and your ability to immediately freeze the other 1/2 lb. for future use.
                                                    I am fully aware that the smoked fish that is thawed and consumed in the future is not going to taste quite as good as the originally consumed product; however, we does what weez gotta do... don't we?

                                                    The internet is an amazing communications tool that readily tolerates this kind of insane and whimsical foodie research. Zabar

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                                                      PesachBenSchlomo RE: Zabar Dec 30, 2011 06:22 AM

                                                      I'm grateful for the link. I'm sure I'm not alone.

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                                          Evil Ronnie RE: City Kid Dec 28, 2011 02:54 PM

                                          Interesting. I wonder how the health department would react to this video...where Saul eats from one side to another ...and on and on...and the transferring of bacteria from his mouth to numerous sides of sable and salmon?

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                                            Zabar RE: Evil Ronnie Dec 29, 2011 03:39 PM

                                            You've definitely got a point there "evil".
                                            And what about Acme's owners providing Mr. Zabar with an unbelievable competitive advantage in allowing him to select his products at their plant? Zabar

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                                          foodwhisperer RE: tlubow Dec 29, 2011 09:46 PM

                                          Russ and daughters has good sturgeon , but you should know that you cannot eat it there, its "take out". Also, get a taste first, they have good pieces and dried out pieces, make sure you get a good piece. Personally I prefer smoked sable , which is juicier. Sable used to be known in some circles as the "poor man's sturgeon". Sable got popular in restaurants when they used the name Black Cod. Barney Greengrass you can sit and eat. Zucker's in Tribeca you can eat it there too.

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                                          Barney Greengrass
                                          541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

                                          Russ & Daughters
                                          179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                                          Zucker's
                                          146 Chambers St, New York, NY 10013

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                                            PesachBenSchlomo RE: foodwhisperer Dec 29, 2011 10:00 PM

                                            Sable has gotten very expensive since the Japanese began fishing it out.

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                                            Zabar RE: tlubow Dec 31, 2011 01:42 PM

                                            My wife and I were in Zabar's yesterday afternoon at around 4 o'clock. it was an absolute mob scene with barely room to walk.

                                            I attempted to buy some Smoked Sturgeon and the counterman told me that they were sold out. Aint that a bitch? I then asked him if Acme and Banner were limiting their production, and, he just smiled and asked me how I knew about their suppliers? So... should we presume that Banner Smoked Fish Co. in Coney Island is also supplying Zabar's with Smoked Sturgeon?

                                            In the meantime (while we're presuming), here's an alternative choice for purchasing smoked sturgeon @ $40 per pound from a company that's located in the middle of the US smoked fish production region - namely Astoria,Oregon:

                                            http://www.josephsons.com/p3hotsmokst...,

                                            Still another potential bargain for a 1 1/2 lb. side of smoked sturgeoon @ $63:

                                            http://houseofcaviarandfinefoods.com/...

                                            And last but not least, for all of you lucky Chowhounders who live in Brooklyn. WOW! You can pickup Smoked Sturgeon from the "Olma Food" retail outlet store at the unbelievably low price of $24 for a .9 to 1.1 lb. side of smoked sturgeon. Here's all of Olma's contact information:

                                            Olma Food

                                            127 42nd Street

                                            Brooklyn, NY 11232

                                            Phone: (718) 675-0706

                                            Fax: (718) 675-7640

                                            Email Address: info@olmafood.com

                                            Website: http://www.olmafood.com/Product/Fish-...

                                            However, for the rest of us (unfortunately), the overnight Fedex shipping cost from Olma Food for 1 lb. of smoked sturgeon is prohibitively expensive @ $42.27... bringing the overall cost all the way up to $67.72 including 8.75% NY Sales Tax and delivery.

                                            IF any of these three smoked sturgeon purveyors are selling quality Smoked Sturgeon, well then my friends, we've got shopping alternatives, don't we?

                                            Finally, I'd like to wish all of my fellow foodies at Chowhound a happy and healthy New Year! Zabar

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                                              porkpa RE: Zabar Dec 31, 2011 03:24 PM

                                              With all this talk about the best smoked fish in New York, I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned Sables on second avenue on the upper east side. The place is owned by a Chinese man who was once the head smoked fish cutter at Zabars. Their smoked fish, whether it is nova, sturgeon, sable or anything else is as good as what can be found at Zabars, Barney Greengrass, Russ & Duaghter or Murrays. However if you want to experience some incredible seafood that I've never seen duplicated anywhere else, you must try their lobster or crab salads. They are absolutely delicious. The place is very customer friendly as weel. The staff wants you to taste everything that you buy, They offer samples to taste as they prepare your order. My mouth is salivating just thinking about the fantastic lobster salad.

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                                              Sable's Smoked Fish
                                              1489 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10021

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                                                ellenost RE: porkpa Jul 13, 2012 09:27 AM

                                                Agree 100% about Sable's. Now that I live on the UES, getting to Russ & Daughters is too inconvenient. Discovered Sable's last year, and I prefer the sable at Sable's to R&D. The whitefish is about even with R&D. I think I still prefer the gaspe at R&D, but the Sable's gaspe is very good (although they pre-sliced their fish for Mother's Day, and the quality wasn't as good as on previous visits). Adore Sable's lobster salad. Love that they offer a taste as soon as you are near the counter.

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                                                  Sneakeater RE: ellenost Jul 13, 2012 09:04 PM

                                                  Sables is great. It's like one of the great unknown food sources in New York.

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                                                Delucacheesemonger RE: Zabar Jul 12, 2012 03:02 PM

                                                The Mote Marine center in Sarasota has been doing a sturgeon for food program for a while and sells caviar, fresh or smoked sturgeon.

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