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sunrider Jan 16, 2011 11:34 AM

Just wondering how to match oven-to-table bakeware with white, bone-china tableware. I'm specifically referring to things like casseroles, lasagne dishes, gratin dishes and pie dishes, where you would often serve the meal directly from the bakeware rather than transferring it to a serving dish.

Do you go all-white, or colours? If all-white, which ones? Le Creuset enamelled cast-iron (although their all-white range is limited), or a ceramic material? Most bone china serving dishes aren't oven-safe; Pillivuyt porcelain appears greyish next to the bone china. Maybe the Royal Doulton Gordon Ramsay bakeware collection? I'm not sure about their quality as cooking vessels, though. What about the Denby enamelled cast-iron collection? Again, I'm unsure about their quality and longevity.

If colours, how would you match them?

Any suggestions would be very helpful!

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    knet Jan 16, 2011 12:23 PM

    I am completely in the 'all-white' camp. Everything I own is porcelain and the Pillivuyt and Apilco look white beside the porcelain. My LC enamelled cast iron is in the Black Onyx so on those occasions when it makes it to tabletop it fits in beautifully.

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      sunrider Jan 16, 2011 12:31 PM

      I'm guessing Pillivuyt/Apilco/Revol would look white beside other porcelain products... but what about Wedgwood/Doulton bone china? I've noticed that these are noticeably whiter than Pillivuyt porcelain, which, despite its excellent quality, looks slightly grey by comparison. Would slightly-grey bakeware still match with bone china on the table?

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        iyc_nyc Jan 16, 2011 01:06 PM

        I have both (apilco/pillivuyt/french porcelain) and wedgwood white bone china, and don't think they match -- the gray/bluish white vs. soft creamy white contrast b/w the two as you mention, plus the different heft/weight of the two (wedgwood is more delicate).

        I think that for relatively informal settings, when using wedgwood place settings, better to go for contrast (as opposed to 'almost matching') for oven to table serveware. Apilco with wedgwood looks off to me, bc they are not similar enough to match and yet they are not different enough to contrast/complement one another.

        That said, i'm still trying to fig out oven to table serveware to go w my wedgwood. I entertain informally so i might be okay using even LC on the table with my wedgwood.

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          sunrider Jan 16, 2011 01:38 PM

          In some ways, I think even Le Creuset white enamelled cast iron pieces are 'whiter' and a closer match with bone china than Pillivuyt is. The only problem being that you can't then store leftovers in them in the fridge, then reheat in the microwave...

          Not that Pillivuyt pieces aren't beautiful in their own right, but they just don't seem to match...

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            iyc_nyc Jan 16, 2011 04:22 PM

            Yep, i was tking colored LC with my white WW.

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      mikie Jan 16, 2011 03:17 PM

      Everything seems to have it's own color of white. The Pillivuyt and Apilco porcelain pieces are more of a blue white, most china is a warmer white and stoneware is an even warmer white unless you get the bright white. The easy way out is with contrast. Dark colors will provide the most contrast and make an attractive table.

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        Jay F Jan 16, 2011 06:56 PM

        >>>>Dark colors will provide the most contrast and make an attractive table.<<<<

        If your nearest outlet mall has a Le Creuset Factory Store, you might be able to get some in Indigo, which is actually Navy Blue.

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          sunrider Jan 17, 2011 06:55 PM

          The trouble with colours is they're hard to match... any suggestions? Also, for those of you who use white oven-to-table bakeware, which ones do you use? How do you match them with bone china?

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            Jay F Jan 23, 2011 07:06 AM

            Well, Mikie suggested dark colors, and I suggested navy, in the form of Indigo Le Creuset (since you mentioned LC). To get any more specific, I'd need to see your bone china on the table, under your dining room lighting.

            Have you chosen your bone china yet, i.e., the Wedgwood you mention below? Or whether you might go with porcelain?

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        sunrider Jan 23, 2011 12:15 AM

        Just been doing a little field research on white ovenware and oven-safe pieces to match Wedgwood bone china (as well as many other white bone chinas), so I'm posting this for reference:

        White ovenware which matches well:
        - Maxwell & Williams (apart from Microstoven range) (almost exact match)
        - Ecology (almost exact match)
        - Villeroy & Boch Home Elements bakeware (almost exact match)
        - Donna Hay white bakeware (almost exact match)
        - Sophie Conran by Portmeirion (not as close, but still pretty close)
        - Gordon Ramsay by Royal Doulton ovenware (not as close, but still pretty close)

        White ovenware which does *not* match:
        - Maxwell & Williams Microstoven range
        - Emile Henry white
        - Pillivuyt
        - Apilco
        - Revol
        - Most other French porcelains
        - Thomas by Rosenthal
        - Corningware

        Not sure about any Dutch ovens or other enamelled cast iron pieces yet. Also not sure about Denby, Mikasa, Le Creuset stoneware and porcelain, Le Chasseur stoneware and a few other popular lines I haven't been able to compare.

        Anyone have more to add to either list?

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          iyc_nyc Jan 23, 2011 06:44 AM

          Awesome list, sunrider. What is/are the material(s) of the matching ovenware - are these porcelain, stoneware, or something else?

          Also, have you seen them in person? Per my earlier posts, I hadn't figured out the matching question either and it would be great if these lines will work with my bone china!

          Somewhat tangential question: do you use bone china coffee or teapots? I"m wondering how sturdy they are and how well they retain heat. Obviously you don't want to have coffee sit for too long, but the bone china coffee pots that match the dinnerware are so beautiful! Not sure if anyone actually uses them..

          BTW, I have LC stoneware in white and it can go with French porcelain (Apilco, etc.) IMO but does not go well with bone china - has the same bluish/gray cast as the porcelain and is much heftier than bone china.

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            sunrider Jan 23, 2011 11:36 AM

            These are based on seeing and comparing them in person - no other way to really compare them, since so much depends on lighting!

            AFAIK all the matching ones I listed are porcelain; Maxwell & Williams also has a bone china range ('Cashmere', although it is very low-end as far as bone china goes) but it doesn't include any oven-safe pieces.

            Wedgwood Edme White also matches - not sure what material it is made with, though.

            Re: coffee and tea - I use an espresso machine with milk frother for coffee, various glass/crystal jugs for iced tea and chromed steel for hot tea! For coffee, hot chocolate, etc. I like the Villeroy & Boch New Wave glass-and-steel macchiato glasses over any china/porcelain mugs.

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              iyc_nyc Jan 23, 2011 12:57 PM

              Thanks - great that you've seen them in person!

              Re serving coffee/tea, I have several thermal SS carafes and a porcelain coffee pot - but would love to be able to use a bone china tea/coffee pot to match my bone china plates etc. -- does anyone have experience with or thoughts on whether bone china is suitable for such a use (in terms of heat retention, durability, and other factors I haven't thought of)?

              Many thanks.

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                sunrider Jan 23, 2011 01:12 PM

                Presumably they're fine - after all, most bone china lines include a teapot or coffee pot.

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            hobbybaker Jan 23, 2011 09:20 AM

            I have Mikasa Pure white porcelain dinnerware. It is matcing to my Apilco/Pillivuyt and Rosenthal. I like the bluish color of porcelain better than the milky white bone china, but it is personal preference.

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              sunrider Jan 23, 2011 12:43 PM

              If it existed, I'd personally prefer something in between - an ultra-bright white (not greyish like porcelain) with neither the blue tint of porcelain, or the yellow-cream tint of bone china.

              As it stands, bone china probably looks whiter under incandescent or candle lighting, while porcelain looks whiter under sunlight.

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                iyc_nyc Jan 23, 2011 12:53 PM

                I'm with you, sunrider - would prefer a pure bright (but still warm/soft) white with no creamy/yellow or gray/blue undertones!

                And agree on how light affects the two differently.

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                  sunrider Jan 23, 2011 01:46 PM

                  I've seen some ultra-white Chinese porcelain - as thin as bone china, with the same translucency, but without the yellow cast. Oven-proof too, so it's probably pretty tough.

                  Unfortunately, these days, it seems most Chinese manufacturers concentrate on quantity and low cost, rather than quality...

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                  hobbybaker Jan 24, 2011 12:21 PM

                  I know what you mean. I see those in between ultra bright white type more often in Europe. I also see more 18/10 flatware in affordable lines in Europe too - including WMF while it is hard to see good/affordable 18/10 flatware in the US. Most of affordable SS flatware are 18/8.

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                    sunrider Jan 24, 2011 01:04 PM

                    I went for Sambonet's Bamboo line in 18/10 stainless - no regrets whatsoever!

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                sunrider Jan 26, 2011 01:36 PM

                As an addendum:

                - For those in Australia, Vue bakeware (available from Myer only) marked 'superior porcelain' is an almost exact match for English bone china - they make some rather nice, large casseroles
                - Maxwell & Williams 'Cashmere' line of bone china pieces is of equally thin construction and is an equal match colour-wise, and includes may small dip bowls, sauce bowls, etc. which the traditional lines often do not include.
                - Salt & Pepper (S&P) have a bone china line which is much the same as the Maxwell & Williams line.

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                sunrider Jan 24, 2011 12:39 AM

                BTW I'd be very interested to know if Wedgwood white bone china will match Denby white porcelain or Royal Worcester Classic White - both are oven-safe lines, which, if they match, could be very useful as nacho bowls, etc.

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