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Top Chef All-Stars - Ep. #6 - 01/12/11 (Spoilers)

OK, I'll power through this summary, although my bed's siren song is playing rather loudly after the shovel-heavy snow day I've had! ;-)

The title for this episode is Jaws-like: "We're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat". :-) That obviously has to do with the Elimination Challenge, where they all go fishing in Long Island Sound and they have to catch and cook a fish for a summer's end beach party.

But....we still have the QuickFire to get through, don't we? BUT....before that, they show the Stew Room after Casey was told to PYKAG....Jamie says she was expecting to hear her own name, but then says "it sucks for her [Casey], and at the same time....whatever!" Ugh. Beeyotch.

Back at the house after Casey's elimination, Marcel goes all white ghetto boy on Dale. (When is he going to realize he looks completely STOOPID doing that?) Drinking straight from the Bombay bottle, he goes off on Dale, saying his dishes were better. Well, ya didn't WIN, Marcel, so no, they weren't! Dale T. said in the confessional "Marcel's lucky I've taken anger management classes, otherwise...!" and he walks away from angry Marcel. And Tre said in an aside that as the days go on, he's noticed that Marcel is a real asshole. :-D A lot of us could have told you THAT, Tre!

OK, off to the Top Chef kitchen...but no Padma! Just a note saying they're going fishing off of Montauk. And Blais does the first promo ad, saying "we'll jump in the Toyota Sienas and head out!" ;-)

Padma and Tom meet them, and there's NO QuickFire this time around! It's a double-elimination Elimination Challenge! Perfect - my choice would be to let Jamie and Marcel take the fall, pleaseandthankyouverymuch! ;-)

Four teams of 3 have 5 hours to catch fish and cook for 200 people at a summer beach party.

#1 - Dale T, Carla, & Tre
#2 - Angelo, Mike I., and Tiffany D.
#3 - Jamie, Tiffani F., and Antonia
#4 - Marcel, Blais, and Fabio

On the boat, it's Teams 1 and 3 on one boat, Teams 2 and 4 on another. Carla says "I've been on a fish boat, but I haven't held the rod!" Tre just looks at her and laughs.

Dale T. catches the first fish, and Antonia finally gets one and screams like a 4th grader. :-) After 3 hours, Teams 2 & 4 haven't caught anything, but they finally begin to pick up momentum - Marcel catches 2 nice-sized striped bass.

Blais says their technique for catching fish is weird: "We're sitting in Marcel's lap.......holding his rod....that's really not good!" LOL Dale T. catches a MONSTER striped bass...and as they head back to shore, they start planning their dishes.

Team 4 decides to have all three of them make ONE dish...Hmmm, that could be interesting if they're on the bottom - who to send home? They then have 30 minutes to head to a Farmer's Market...and Blais and Fabio are joined at the hip. Antonia says they're boyfriends, and calls them the Professor.....and the strange Italian immigrant. :-D Back at the house, Tre's family is shown - just a beautiful wife and daughters!

The next day, they're at the beach for prep. Team 3 is taking responsiblity for their OWN dishes - meaning they're making separate dishes.

Blais ends up being the "boss" of his team, constantly asking Fabio to do this, do that. Blais is concerned that they agreed to just do one dish; Fabio's getting ticked at Blais for telling him what to do. Rut-roh! ONE dish - and conflict in the team? Is this a foretelling? Or is the frequent mention of Jamie the foretelling? Magical Elves...what ARE you trying to tell us?

We'll find out, I'm sure.

We're back - and Tom comes to see the chefs during prep - and seems surprised that Team #4 is only doing 1 dish....Blais said "If Tom asks you a question, he's loading up!" Tom notes that Team 1 / Dale T. didn't make fresh tortillas for his fish tacos. Hmmm.....and Tom says to Team 3 that bluefish can be a meh fish, whereas Tiffani F. likes bluefish - she's going to smoke it.

The diners arrive, and the guests seem impressed that the chefs caught all of the fish! (And I *totally missed who the guest judge is? Anyone?)

Marcel foams Team 4's fish dish? Hmmm....Carla's fish wrap gets favorable reviews, as does Dale's fish taco, and Tre's gazpacho.

Antonia's Po-Boy looks GREAT in the camera shot! And it gets excellent reviews. Jamie's dish - not so much. Tiffani's dish doesn't do great, but I don't think it'll be the bottom.

Meanwhile, Mike Isabella is trying to pimp out Angelo to several female guests. And Angelo is hiding like Jamie did a few eps ago - he's embarrassed? LOL

And Jamie thinks it's a "cop-out" that one team did just ONE dish as the team....oh, right. Like not cooking in TWO episodes isn't a cop-out, Jamie? Gah. Just go home already!

In the "in-betweener", they ask the cheftestants "what type of fish would X chefestant be?"

Angelo says Mike I. has a lot of gas - he'd be a blowfish. LOVE that!
Dale T. says Angelo would be a mermaid - the siren of the sea. And then giggles uncontrollably. :-)
And Carla says Tre would be one of those fish that "bury themselves under the sand."

We're back - they're in the Stew Room, and Padma walks in...she calls in Team 1 (Dale T., Carla, and Tre) and Team 2 (Angelo, Mike, and Tiffany D) - they are the favorite dishes of the night! The winner will get a trip to Amsterdam! Gail praises Dale's dish, and Tom said Carla's dish was brilliant.

Guest Judge Kerry Hefferman, executive chef at South Gate, chooses - CARLA for the win! Yay, Carla!

The other two teams are sent back - in goes Team 3 - Jamie, Tiffani, and Antonia, and Team 4 - Marcel, Blais, and Fabio.

Tom gets VERY detailed as to who did what on Team 4...especially since they only did one dish. Marcel COOKED the succotash - could that be the bye-bye to him? And Jamie's dish doesn't get good remarks - everything was "washed out" according to Gail. Tiffani left the skin on her bluefish, which has the heavy bloodline. That doesn't bode well for her either!

And we're back for the Elimination....I think it's definitely going to be Jamie...and either Fabio or Marcel. Who is it going to be, Padma? Oh CRAP! It's Tiffani Nooooooo!! But at LEAST Jamie's out of there. (NOW Jamie says she's bummed there were two challenges she didn't cook on? Oh sheesh!)

DAMMIT. Tiffani? I was so hoping she'd hang in there longer! That means Tre and Blais are my final two to take it!

And NEXT week? It's RESTAURANT WARS! And Bourdain's back - as is Ludo Lefebvre!

And now it's time for dreamland for me. Shoveling takes a LOT out of this old girl! LOL

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  1. Great recap so far Linda! I loved seeing Dale walk away from Marcel. Also loved how excited Dale was about catching that big fish. The one dish decision was very, very odd.

    At this point (they're prepping their dishes now), I'm guessing it's Marcel and Jamie going home.

    9 Replies
    1. re: debbiel

      Ah, in hindsight - if only you were right on both of them.

      1. re: chicgail

        the elves do know how to toy with our emotions, don't they? i was holding out hope until the very end that it would be Jamie & Marcel...that would have easily been the best elimination in TC history.

        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

          Wouldn't it though? :::::Sigh:::::

          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

            Ditto that!

            1. re: phee

              That was my hope too. I'm so tired of that overgrown 13-year-old Marcel. What a douche!

        2. re: debbiel

          Catching a really big fish is better than sex. I might hear it, but I've caught a lot of fish, and had a lot of great....... The big fish are something special, and I remember all of them.

          1. re: James Cristinian

            "a really big fish is better than sex."

            What is considered "big", and what is considered "sex"?. Nevernind about the latter.....

            1. re: Shrinkrap

              It is all about the species and the location. I fish on the Texas Gulf coast, and have a seven pound flounder on my wall, a once in a lifetime fish for most here. The Atlantic fish grow bigger than the one's here, bigger is not always so in Texas. Specked trout are considered a trophy here over twenty five inches, I have two twenty fives and three twenty sixes, I could go on about other species and lures, but I won't. I have to see the episode again, but it seemed someone, maybe the captain, remarked about the size of Dale's striper. It was definitely a big one.

              1. re: James Cristinian

                Tom said in his blog that Dale's fish was 37 pounds, and that people all around Montauk heard about it.

        3. Ok, so I have been waiting for the post. Observations:

          1. Marcel is drinking out of the effing BOTTLE of Bombay Sapphire? I am a heavy drinker and can put away a lot of liquor or a lot of beer. But a couple of Sapphire martinis will do me in.

          2. Isn't Tony Bourdain the usual judge on here? Irony? A challenge to catch a fish. Especially since Bourdain can't seem to ever catch a fish on his show. Always the stunt fish. Bourdain doesn't seem to be present on this one, but the thought crossed my mind.

          That's it for now...

          -Kevin

          20 Replies
          1. re: UptownKevin

            Bourdain and Gail Simmons are switching out as the 3rd main judge. So it's Gail's turn. :-)

            1. re: UptownKevin

              In my one and only defense of Marcel, I ampretty sure he was drinking from a bottle of Fiji Water

              1. re: C. Hamster

                It looked like a square, blue glass bottle to me.

                1. re: lisavf

                  As it did to me. And the label that was blurred out was white, like on the picture of the Bombay bottle below.

                   
                   
                2. re: C. Hamster

                  I turned off the 11pm repeat...would love to know if that's what it was. It was a blue glass bottle, as lisavf said.

                  1. re: C. Hamster

                    I thought it was Fiji water also.

                    1. re: chicgail

                      I DVRd it. It's the gin.

                      1. re: Miss Needle

                        You are absolutely correct. I just saw it again and it's unmistakable. the first time I saw it I did find myself wondering why in the heck they would bother to blur out a Fiji bottle label.

                        1. re: chicgail

                          my first reaction was gin

                          1. re: chicgail

                            If Glad or GE Monogram had bottled Marcel's drink it would not have been blurred out.

                            1. re: ChinoWayne

                              lol.

                              If I were doing the marketing for Bombay and a nasty, out of control drunk was guzzling my product while acting out, I wouldn't want the world to see the label either.

                      2. re: C. Hamster

                        it was most definitely Bombay, and he sounded pretty hammered. "liquid courage" - i don't think Marcel would have had the cojones to get so up in Dale's face if he had been sober.

                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                          I missed him drinking out of a bottle, but it sure did look to me like he was hammered!
                          Yikes!!

                        2. re: C. Hamster

                          I know that bottle anywhere ;-) It was Sapphire

                          1. re: UptownKevin

                            Plus they haven't blurred out Fiji labels in previous episodes (must be a sponsor) so must be Sapphire.

                            1. re: UptownKevin

                              I actually had a bottle of Sapph on my counter as I watched it!!\

                              But after so much Fiji product placement on this epi I assumed that was what it was.

                              Swigging from a bottle of Sapphire? Yikes!

                              1. re: C. Hamster

                                If you look at one of the online extras, you can clearly see that it's Sapphire.

                                1. re: roxlet

                                  According to Dale Talde's blog, where he has plenty more interesting things to talk about, Marcel had in fact had quite a bit to drink that night.

                                  http://www.daletalde.com/blog/2011/1/...

                            2. re: C. Hamster

                              Hmm I may need to try this Fiji water. Drunk or not Marcel has now been exposed. I've been cutting him a lot of slack this saeson. I've found most of his comments a bit tongue in cheek and he seemed to be getting along with everyone. Getting all hip hop on Dale and going off on who is a badder ass in the kitchen? How long before this is autotuned and on Youtube. Marcel is doomed.

                              jb

                              1. re: C. Hamster

                                I dunno. I think it was gin. He seemed pretty tanked during that rant after all.

                            3. The Jamie "cop-out" line made me spew water. Amazing she would say that.

                              I don't like fish, so none of the dishes were particularly appealing to me, but it seems the most interesting (ones I'd like to try if I ate fish) were Carla's, Antonia's, and Dale's.

                              1. I couldn't wait. Jaimie just said she thought some of the other chefs were 'copping out'. It doesn't matter if her assessment is correct or not. After her performance thus far, she doesn't get to say that about any of the others.

                                2 Replies
                                1. re: John E.

                                  That's EXACTLY what I added to my original post! She just keeps digging her hole deeper and deeper, doesn't she?

                                  1. re: John E.

                                    I just figured that it takes one to know one when she said they were copping out.

                                  2. where is bourdain? he hasnt been in the past 3 episodes
                                    http://teenchefteddy.blogspot.com/

                                    1. Can anyone help with the guest judge's name? Cary someone or other? I'd like to get that in the original post...

                                      6 Replies
                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                        According to Wikipedia, Kerry Hefferman. (Exec Chef at South Gate)

                                        1. re: debbiel

                                          You're a doll - thanks, debbie! The original post has been fixed. :-) (NOW I'm off to sleep!)

                                          1. re: debbiel

                                            nonono Kerry HefferNAN. He was the original chef of Eleven Madison Park.

                                            SO sad to see Tiffani go. I was rooting for Marcel to go home for his eternal foam (and that mushy succotash).

                                            They really liked Tre's dish at the party, but didn't make any mention of it at Judges table. (I know, that was the Elves' editing.

                                            1. re: ChefJune

                                              Oh well - one letter off. I should have Googled the name to make sure it was correct. Sorry. Braindeadedness does that to you.

                                              Still, thanks to debbie for Wiki'ing it.

                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                Sorry I got it wrong! I just cut and paste from wikipedia (which I would never let my students get away with). Looks like it's correct now.

                                          2. re: LindaWhit

                                            Tom said he was also his fishing buddy...

                                          3. What I would like to know is if Richard, Marcell, and Fabio actually thought of a strategy where if they made only one dish it would be difficult to choose two of them to let go. I think the idea could have occurred to Richard but I don't think the others would have thought of it. The problem with that strategy, if in fact it was a strategy, is that I can see a situation where all three of them could have been sent packing. They are lucky there were two other worse dishes. (Didn't that sound profound in a Marcel 'there are Chinese people in Chinatown' kind of way?)

                                            On further review, Fabio said in his interview segment it would be hard for the judges to choose whom to send home if they are on the bottom with only one dish. I missed that the first time around.

                                            Oh, Tre's wife is hot and his daughters are beautiful. Now I can really see why he got so excited to win the $20K in the stuffing quickfire.

                                            5 Replies
                                            1. re: John E.

                                              I thought Richard did say that - or one of the team members noted it - maybe Marcel?

                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                You posted your reply while I was editing. It was Fabio.

                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                  Fabio said it.

                                                  1. re: gastrotect

                                                    he said that it would be psychological warfare. guess he was right.

                                                2. re: John E.

                                                  We said the same about Tre's family. Then again, he's pretty hot, too!

                                                3. Jamie got what was undoubtedly coming.

                                                  I was sorry to see Tiffany go, but not removing a bluefish bloodline is a very amateurish mistake.

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                                                  1. re: C. Hamster

                                                    I agree that Tiffany f'd up by not removing the bloodline. Jamie was past due to go, and I think they said 'Jamie' second in the elimination just to add that additional suspense. Nice of Tom to say Antonia may have won the competition if her team mates weren't so bad. That's the third really big complement she's gotten during judging. I think she's moving up!

                                                  2. I sure am loving Carla. I like the way she thinks everything through, calmly assesses the situation, and does it just right. While I was a little surprised by her win (I thought Dale's dish was receiving more raves) her attitude is all "Top Chef" - the person, not the show. Don't know whether she'll make it to the finale, but she's already a winner in my book.

                                                    OTOH, I can't believe how poor of a showing Richard is making. I thought for sure he was going to be a rock star, and so far he's not impressing me at all, either in his dishes or in his demeanor, thoughts and actions. He seems to not be in the zone at all.

                                                    39 Replies
                                                    1. re: lisavf

                                                      Ditto all of what you said, lisa. I'll add Carla to my Top 3 now with Tiffani gone. :-)

                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                        i think i'm still putting Dale just a *hair* ahead of Carla...for now.

                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                          Well, when you look at the overall wins/losses and where they've all fallen, Dale and Carla BOTH have two EC wins......while Richard has only one and Tre has none.

                                                          So both Dale and Carla seem to be doing better and I'd probably put both in front of Richard & Tre. I really expected more from both Richard and Tre!

                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                            ...and what about Angelo Sosa?

                                                            Blais so far seems to me to be a lesser talent than what he thinks himself to be.
                                                            Tre may be eye candy for some folks but to me he is not showing chops as a chef.

                                                            BTW, thanks for the nice recaps.

                                                            1. re: huiray

                                                              I'm not overly fond of Angelo, so no - I don't want him in the finale. ;-)

                                                              But I do expect he has a very good chance of making it, as I know he has the talent.

                                                              1. re: huiray

                                                                i agree with LW - you're right about Angelo's skills/potential, i'm just not a fan.

                                                                and yes, i admit wholeheartedly that part of my loyalty to Tre is related to his physical appeal...but i also think he's a talented chef and needs to step up and prove it!

                                                        2. re: lisavf

                                                          I love Carla, too. She is such a class act. Smart. Warm. Detached when appropriate. Thoughtful. Independent. Knows when to hold her tongue. And, not parenthetically, a great cook.

                                                          1. re: chicgail

                                                            Likes.

                                                            1. re: chicgail

                                                              Class act? Like her dancing around in front of the six about to go for elimination?

                                                              I do not understand her appeal. I'm ready to see her bug eyes pack up and go.

                                                              1. re: Pylon

                                                                she was excited! everyone who comes back into that room a winner acts excited and the rest applaud and congratulate them. no one tries to squash their enthusiasm. until Marcel.

                                                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                  That's not true at all. Usually one of the others points out who the winner is and the winner acknowledges the win without jumping up and down.

                                                                  1. re: John E.

                                                                    really? i remember some of that but definitely remember others being equally demonstrative. She's livelier than most but i do not believe she was rubbing it in anyyone's face.

                                                                    1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                      I don't think it was intentional, but that doesn't mean it wasn't poor behavior.

                                                                2. re: Pylon

                                                                  She also immediately regretted it realizing it may have rubbed some people the wrong way. She has a lot of energy and she is a very genuinely positive person. I love Carla. How can you not love her? It's not like she is just a personality either. She made it the final in her own season and is kicking butt again this season, against all-stars.

                                                                  1. re: gastrotect

                                                                    I think there are still some of her competitors who don't take her seriously, despite her successes. Her bubbly personality is probably part of the reason. So be it. I do think she is a class act. She just does her thing, even when the others are mocking of her ('peanut soup? what a bad idea, these are classy people' or some such nonsense).

                                                                    1. re: gastrotect

                                                                      My issue isn't with her food. I don't like her. I find her "charm" to be a bit manufactured and a lot over the top. I much prefer someone like Tiffani or Tiffany who can enjoy the competition without acting like a child.

                                                                      1. re: Pylon

                                                                        In what way is she acting like a child?

                                                                        1. re: debbiel

                                                                          i think they mean "childlike" which is a very fine distinction from like a child. but totally different connotations usually.

                                                                          1. re: AMFM

                                                                            Mom always said it's ok to be childlike, but not childish. The first is a sense of wonder; the latter is petulant.

                                                                            1. re: gaffk

                                                                              I meant the latter.

                                                                              1. re: Pylon

                                                                                Are you suggesting that Carla is petulant? I haven't seen that at all. Do you have an example?

                                                                                1. re: Pylon

                                                                                  pet·u·lant/ˈpeCHələnt/
                                                                                  Adjective: (of a person or their manner) Childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

                                                                                  Carla? Really?

                                                                                  1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                    Exactly, Shrinkrap....Carla is NOT the visual definition of petulant.

                                                                                    Marcel, on the other hand....poster child.

                                                                    2. re: chicgail

                                                                      She's still my choice for TC. And honestly, Marcel was such a wet blanket to try to detract from her joy. If he had won (fat chance!) he'd have been bragging about what a fabulous, creative chef he is and the others are all jealous of him and trying to sabotage him and take away his pleasure at winning. Big baby.

                                                                      1. re: Parrotgal

                                                                        I don't recall Marcel winning a challenge and dancing around in front of the doomed. Not saying he is the pinnacle of good sportsmanship by any means, but I enjoyed him calling her out.

                                                                        1. re: Pylon

                                                                          I like Carla and her natural exuberance (I don't think it's manufactured) but she could have thought ahead--at that point, the ones in the room didn't know if they were in the top or the bottom so learning so suddenly that way must have been tough. I don't think they were upset because she was so excited as much as she could have remembered that they had no idea that they were the bottom at that point and been more gentle, not about her winning, but about letting them know they were in the bottom. That said, I thought she handled it well after and did learn from it.

                                                                          1. re: Pylon

                                                                            You don't recall it because Marcel hasn't had a solo victory this season.

                                                                            1. re: JasmineG

                                                                              No, but he did in season 2, when his behavior was more juvenile than it is now (if only just), and no dancing to my recollection.

                                                                              And I seem to recall the team win from the museum didn't elicit jumping and dancing in the stew room. A win is a win, right? He was pretty well behaved IIRC.

                                                                              1. re: Pylon

                                                                                What's a bit interesting is that in Season 2 Marcel had just a single elimination win, the last challenge before the single episode, two chef finale.

                                                                            2. re: Pylon

                                                                              Marcel has won only one elimination challenge and there was no additional prize given with his win. Carla has a trip to Amsterdam in her future. Since I do believe she is a class act, I think her exuberance was a reaction to the trip more than the win itself. I don't believe she was so vocal when she won for the peanut soup which had no added prize.

                                                                              1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                Actually she had a very similar reaction.

                                                                                jb

                                                                                1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                  Well there you go.

                                                                                  BTW, I reject the notion that it's ok to be a poor sport if you won something really big. That's when it's MOST important.

                                                                                2. re: Indy 67

                                                                                  Didn't she get a trip to Italy for that win?

                                                                                  Carla? Petulant? Hardly.

                                                                                  1. re: roxlet

                                                                                    Amsterdam, not Italy.

                                                                                    So the size of the prize makes the behavior appropriate?

                                                                                    1. re: Pylon

                                                                                      I assume roxlet is referring to the prize Carla won in her season, which was a trip to Italy.

                                                                                      The size of the prize influences the excitement. Many of us have suggested that perhaps Carla's reaction was more excitement about the trip than the win. I would be more excited about winning a trip to Amsterdam than winning a signed cookbook.

                                                                          2. re: lisavf

                                                                            I love her enthusiasm! She was like a kid in a candy shop when she won....nice to see someone excited like that!

                                                                            1. re: lisavf

                                                                              Go Carla, go Carla! Always underestimated, but usually comes up with the goods.

                                                                              1. re: roxlet

                                                                                agree! i love that she's doing so well because people haven't taken her seriously.

                                                                              2. re: lisavf

                                                                                If this show has taught me anything , it's that you certainly don' t want to be hitting your stride in the middle of the competition. That being said, if he can keep from having any meltdowns related to team competitions, I think he'll go fairly deep into the show. This is where you typically start to see people looking for an escape route early in the elimination challenges.

                                                                              3. What was with Marcel's rant in the opening scene? Was he drunk? On drugs? I don't think there's been any maturing there.

                                                                                23 Replies
                                                                                1. re: chicgail

                                                                                  My thinking is that Marcel has always been a jerk, but the editors have decided not to portray it as it would detract from making Jamie the villain. Now that Jamie is gone, they need somebody to fill that role.

                                                                                  1. re: Miss Needle

                                                                                    I think you might be correct. The editors/producers were sandbagging us. (I don't know where the term came from but it means they were holding out on us. I think Marcel has likely had outbursts such as the one we saw tonight all along, they just haven't been showing them to us.

                                                                                    Carrie Heffernan looks much more masculine than I remembered from the days back in Queens.

                                                                                    1. re: Miss Needle

                                                                                      Marcel has always been a jerk, and while they might not have highlighted it, they still portrayed it enough to remind the viewers "Oh yeah, he can still be a whiny little brat!" This ep just upped the ante on his brattiness.

                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                        I certainly can't defend Marcel after seeing lasts nights rant! It did seem like he was prwetty drunk - it had to have been gin!
                                                                                        (But I do still think he is a bit less jerky than last time!)

                                                                                      2. re: Miss Needle

                                                                                        Probably so - re: the editing.

                                                                                        I had thought before that he may not be as bad as made out to be, but what I see so far in the episodes as presented and edited makes me definitely view him as an insufferable jerk and SOB. His previous comments about Mike I winning his QF in the previous episode because of his (Marcel's) dish's lingering MSG flavor I definitely now consider as NOT "joking".

                                                                                      3. re: chicgail

                                                                                        What was with Marcel's rant in the opening scene? Was he drunk? On drugs?
                                                                                        _____________________

                                                                                        Marcel was channeling his inner Wolverine.

                                                                                        1. re: chicgail

                                                                                          I'm almost certain he was drunk. Which is not in any way to deny that he is also sort of an asshole. I've wondered before about why others have had such bad reactions to him, since in the past he seemed maybe a little annoying and immature, but otherwise mostly harmless. That was the first taped instance I can recall where if I was there I might have snapped off on him too. He seemed to be trying his absolute damnedest to be punchable.

                                                                                          1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                            The words of a drunk man are the thoughts of the sober man.

                                                                                            1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                              He was drunk.

                                                                                              However, I don't see anyone here discussing the reason he was so pissed, which is that (according to him) Dale only made 25 portions of his winning dish. IIRC, Dale did not deny it, just said he was playing the game. Not to excuse Marcel's way of expressing his complaints, but if Dale only made 25 portions he clearly did not fulfill the parameters of the challenge (which was to make 180 portions, IIRC), which according to rules set forth earlier this season, would have made him ineligible for the win. Note that no one in the blogs refuted the claim.

                                                                                              Portion-gate, anyone?

                                                                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                I couldn't really make out what Marcel was saying because he was drunk and acting in a "ghetto"-like manner. Are you saying he actually has a point?

                                                                                                1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                  I'm not sure exactly what his point was, but yes, he might have had a legitimate reason to think that Dale's win was undeserved.

                                                                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                    Hmm, I can't see how Dale could have gotten away with doing that though!

                                                                                                  2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                    Yes we're saying that if everyone else plated up 100+ items and Dale just did 24 perfect pieces for the judges, it's unfair.

                                                                                                  3. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                    Dale said something along the lines of 'count my plates,' which I took to mean Dale was saying that Marcel was incorrect.

                                                                                                    Not that it matters that much. Whether or not Marcel had a point, he chose just about the most obnoxious way possible to express it. That was the problem.

                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                      That's what I thought, too. Dale told him to count the plates. If he had only done 25, the other contestants would have called him on it.

                                                                                                      I don't think being a drunk excuses that type of behavior, regardless.

                                                                                                      1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                        Asking to have your plates counted rings hollow that long after the fact.

                                                                                                        But you are correct, Marcel could not have looked like more of an ass. He seems much more composed for the most part, but that was inexcusable.

                                                                                                        1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                          But what could he say that far after the event? The plates are gone. "Count my plates" is no different than "Yes I did make the right amount", is it?

                                                                                                        2. re: cowboyardee

                                                                                                          Thanks...I had forgotten the "count my plates" response. I also take that as a defense.

                                                                                                        3. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                          Marcel seemed to think he should have won because of his claim that Dale didn't follow the rules. Don't the judges need to actually like your dish to be eligible for the win?

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                            I'm not sure Marcel thought he should have won -- did he say that, or are people just inferring that from the fact he was angry (and BTW, Marcel always thinks he should have won -- but then, so do a lot of them)? He thought Dale shouldn't have won, but that's not the same thing.

                                                                                                          2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                            Dale didn't deny it, but he also really didn't engage. That's my usual strategy with an angry drunk, too. We don't know how many servings Dale did or what Marcel meant (only 25? or only 25 that looked good and the rest slopped together?). And as NellyNel pointed out, it's unlikely that Dale could have gotten away with that if 180 was indeed a requirement.

                                                                                                        4. re: chicgail

                                                                                                          I kept waiting for his to break out in song/a rap. He looked like a deranged member of a boy band.

                                                                                                          1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                            The male version of a hip hop britney spears

                                                                                                        5. thanks so much for doing such a great recap..I'm so glad I get to come here after the show and deconstruct.

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                                                                                                          1. re: karenfinan

                                                                                                            Agreed. The hubs and I look forward to it almost as much as we do the show1

                                                                                                            1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                              Awwww. Thanks! Much appreciated, all of you. :-)

                                                                                                            2. re: karenfinan

                                                                                                              THANKS FROM ME TOO LINDA!!

                                                                                                              1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                Wow, I could hear that all the way over here, C. Hamster! ;-) Thanks! :-)

                                                                                                            3. From the edit I honestly had NO Idea that Tiffani was in danger of elimination . I have to read judges blogs. What exactly was the problem with her bluefish, did she simply not prep it, and butcher it correctly?

                                                                                                              I actual thought both Richard and Marcel could have been eliminated.

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                                                                                                              1. re: dach

                                                                                                                Apparently, leaving the bloodline in in a bluefish is enough to get the PPYKAG.

                                                                                                                1. re: dach

                                                                                                                  I thought it was pretty obvious that Tiff was getting the heave-ho. The judges hated her dish and she made an amateurish mistake.

                                                                                                                  Bluefish is a dark, oily, fishy fish that is delicious when properly butchered and prepped. Leaving the bloodline in makes it unappetizing at best. Plus her portion size was small, so the bloodline would be even more pronounced.

                                                                                                                  Carla knew to remove it. Tiffani should have, especially since she's from Boston now and bluefish is so prevalent here. Its caught not far from her former restaurant.

                                                                                                                  1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                    It surprised me a LOT that the bloodline was so prevalent in her dish - I also thought she would have been familiar with ensuring it was removed.

                                                                                                                  2. re: dach

                                                                                                                    Didn't remove the bloodline. If she didn't make that one mistake, I'm guessing she doesn't get the boot.

                                                                                                                  3. Great recap once again, LW!

                                                                                                                    Marcel doing the whole ghetto act while swigging his Bombay and getting up in Dale's face was hilariously pathetic. I loved that Dale walked away. That made my night. Well, that, and Jamie being sent home. I swear she didn't even want to be there. Her attitude has been one of complete apathy. I wish she would have bowed out when originally asked so they would have had the opportunity to get someone back who really WANTED to be there. I'm sad about Tiffani, but, like Casey, she just made one of those bad choices. I really hated that they put Antonia on the spot during JT, but it was a team challenge. Good for her for not playing into their questions. Loved seeing Carla win and hated that Marcel burst her bubble of happiness. He's such a jerk.

                                                                                                                    Looking forward to RW and AB next week!

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                                                                                                                    1. re: phee

                                                                                                                      I haven't liked Marcel's act since I first saw a replay of Season 2 a couple years ago. Even with that, I didn't mind his response to Carla's excitement at all. If anybody other than Carla had gone into the stew room acting like that I would have been quite annoyed. Carla was just real excited, but I thought Marcel was quite restrained considering all of the other possible responses he could have had.

                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                        "I thought Marcel was quite restrained considering all of the other possible responses he could have had."
                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                        just because he *could* have reacted negatively doesn't mean he *should* have. in 8 seasons, i don't recall a single other instance in which another chef basically told the winner to shove it when they announced their victory.

                                                                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                          ^^^ That. And that's what I mean about Marcel being a whiny little brat. When it doesn't go his way, he always seems to find a way to nastily make a comment.

                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                            Even one of his greatest defenders, Monica Reyhani (she blogs as 'Team Top Chef' on the TC bravo website), declined to defend him this week.

                                                                                                                            He's an a**hole.

                                                                                                                      2. re: phee

                                                                                                                        The mannerisms Marcel's faux street throwdown were pretty distracting (and dumb and wtf, a bottle of gin?) but I wondered if the content was correct -- if Dale was supposed to make 100 but only made 10 or 20 portions of his dish and won last week, that's messed up.

                                                                                                                        1. re: pitu

                                                                                                                          Yea, but how many times has Tom said he doesn't care what happens in the kitchen. Marcel thought he should have won with his chicken? He wasn't eligible to win since his wasn't chosen as one of the best dishes of the competition.

                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                            However, earlier this season they set the precedent that not fulfilling the rules of the challenge makes you ineligible for the win. Not creating the required number of portions isn't "something that happens in the kitchen" it's something that affects what happens in the dining room, since there wasn't enough food for the diners. If there's no penalty for not making the required number of portions, why would anyone make 100 instead of concentrating on perfecting a few plates for the judges?

                                                                                                                            1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                              If that actually happened one of the producers would have pointed it out like they did when Richard didn't finish his plating in time, Tom would have checked on it, and Dale would have been ineligible for the win.

                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                I'm playing catch-up on the thread this evening, and I have to agree with John E. The producers most definitely would have brought it to Tom's attention and made Dale ineligible to win.

                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                  It wasn't the producers that noted Richard went over -- it was one of the contestants who pointed it out to them (here's the quote from Tom's blog: "One of the other contestants rightly alerted the producers to what had happened, and Richard was out of the running."). Maybe the producers don't interfere -- maybe that's part of the "drama"!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                    I guess my point is that there are producers present for situations such as this. Dale might have been wrong in what he did or didn't do. It's too late now anyway. Even if Marcel was correct, a drunken gangsta diatribe was not the way to handle it.

                                                                                                                          2. re: phee

                                                                                                                            Watched it again today. Note to self; "whatever! "and "gangsta" don't mix.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                              *Marcel* and "gangsta" don't mix!

                                                                                                                          3. tonight's episode may have been the funniest - i laughed out loud at least 3 or 4 times. it also *would* have been the best. elimination. ever. if only...

                                                                                                                            i was sorry to see Tiffani go. she's matured so much as a person since TC1, and i was hoping to see her make it far in this one. i wish Blais & Fabio had made it more clear to the judges that Marcel was the one who *cooked* [and OVER-cooked] the succotash, since everyone thought the texture was off...maybe that would have tipped the scales in favor of sending him home. Blais looked REALLY upset when they were standing at JT - you could tell he was beating himself up over the situation.

                                                                                                                            i think Jamie was already on the short list before judging even began. when they sat down and went to try her dish, Gail said "Okay Jamie Lauren, let's see what you've got." it made me think that they expected her to prove that she actually had a right to be there...fortunately that didn't go so well for her! what a HUGE relief that she's finally gone.

                                                                                                                            i'll be interested to see if there's *anyone* left who will continue to defend Marcel after tonight's episode. given his drunken rant, Tre's confirmation that he's an a-hole, and the way he lashed out at Carla and killed her winning moment, i just don't see how they could. he sucks.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                              I agree, GHG. I thought Marcel was much maligned previously, but tonight's episode confirmed all the bad things people have been saying about him. I don't think even the elves could have concocted that drunken rant. And his response to Carla was horrible - totally without class.

                                                                                                                              1. re: aching

                                                                                                                                Actually, I thought that Carla was the one acting in poor taste. Marcel may be a douche at times, but there's no excuse for dancing around like that. Wait 30 seconds. Kudos to him for saying so.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                  In a way, I agree. Marcel was an a**hole and a pr**k and a jerk, but Carla was so ebullient about her victory it was indeed a "rubbing it in" scenario even if she was a naturally spontaneous kind of gal.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                    Somehow I doubt the whole thing went off just as Bravo! showed it. (Granted, they don't have time to show the context of the whole thing.) I have to believe the comment was just unsolicited. I'm guessing someone said, "What's with the sour face, dude?" If anything it shows the guy really wants to be there. (Which I like.)

                                                                                                                                    1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                      Everyone who comes in after an EC win is ebullient. There are "YESSS!"s, there is dancing around, there are hoots and hollers - this is the first time (that we've seen) someone has tried to squelch that.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                        He didnt try to squelch her excitement actually. He just said "sorry if we arent as excited - we are on the bottom" - which was fair enough

                                                                                                                                        Carla , has the class, though to be squelched by his comment.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                          Sorry, that is simply not true. Past winners have been happy and expressed satisfaction/happiness but in a restrained manner in front of the others on return to the stew room. This is the first time in eight seasons, that I can remember, that someone has come back in dancing, jumping and prancing in glee and hooting loudly in front of the losing cheftestants.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                            Agreed.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: aching

                                                                                                                                      It's a drunk rant and we didn't see what preceded it. I guess most Top Chef watching CHers are milquetoast librarians that never got drunk before?

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                        I agree, he wasnt horrible, he was drunk.
                                                                                                                                        It's just that street lingo thing was so off putting!

                                                                                                                                        1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                          I love Marcel. He's my underdog to win, after Angelo. I think he's talented and hysterical, and, frankly, I like my men a little cynical and douchey.

                                                                                                                                          That said, the whole rapper/street thing made me uncomfortable and knocked him down a couple pegs in my book. He simply looked and sounded like a ridiculous fool and a jealous child. Yuck.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: invinotheresverde

                                                                                                                                            Didn't he do a rap in his season, too? I seem to remember something like that...

                                                                                                                                            1. re: piccola

                                                                                                                                              Yup. Skulked (and sulked!) up to the roof and wrote a rap featuring the word “what-ever”!

                                                                                                                                              Struck me as something a middle school girl would do.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                          Um, so you know? Librarians are, as a group, some pretty hard core drinkers.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Terrieltr

                                                                                                                                            Hey! I resemble that remark!

                                                                                                                                          2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                            I may be kind of stupid when I'm drunk, but I'm not nasty like he was. Ever. Just shows his true colors.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Parrotgal

                                                                                                                                              There are two types of Marcel hater- those who hate him because he's a "douche" and they're not, and those that hate him but are just as nasty as he is. I'm mostly amused at the latter - wondering which is blacker, the kettle or the pot?

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                ...and how does one tell who is who?

                                                                                                                                            2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                              I've been plastered, as have plenty friends and colleagues (not a librarian, but that's not the point) and rarely is anyone ever that nasty. He was just being a total douchebag, which is not something that automatically happens to everyone when drunk.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                Oh, hell, no, but if I were on national television competing as he is, you can bet your arse I wouldn't choose that moment to get drunk.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: phee

                                                                                                                                                  Well, it wouldnt be the first time in TC history
                                                                                                                                                  In fact, they frequently get stewed in the stew room!

                                                                                                                                                  Pretty sure Jen was bombed when she had her rant at the judges - and remember Jamie and Leah - completely plastered in front of the judges!
                                                                                                                                                  Oh brother!

                                                                                                                                                2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                  No, I'm not a milquetoast librarian, and no, I don't get drunk. And I've never swilled gin straight from the bottle and gone off on a ridiculous, gangsta-rapper-parody rant on national TV. But if I did, I would expect to be called out for it on Chowhound! =)

                                                                                                                                                  Being drunk is no excuse for bad behavior. As someone else said, the words of the drunk are the thoughts of the man.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                    I get drunk. And when I'm an asshole while drunk, I'm an asshole.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                      Is it REALLY necessary to be denigrating to those who watch the show, WWDiner?

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                    I'm going to have to watch the Extended Judges Table tonight at home. I think the judges were aware that Marcel did the cooking; the idea was Marcel & Richard's, Fabio did the prep, and Marcel cooked/overcooked.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                      He didn't 'lash out'. He simply said he couldn't get too excited about her win because that meant his team was on the bottom. I don't think I have ever before defended Macel, but I'm with him on this one.

                                                                                                                                                      I think Carla could have shown more class by showing some restraint in that room. I'm reminded of what Bud Grant used to say about spiking the football and other celebrations In the end zone, "...act like you've been there before and will be again".

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                        "Act like you've been there before"

                                                                                                                                                        Exactly the thought that went through my mind.

                                                                                                                                                    2. I haven't minded Marcel so much this season, but I loathed him tonight. His stupid ghetto act in the beginning was embarrassing, and when he got all snotty with Carla I wanted to punch him in the face. But I'm glad for Carla and Antonia that they're both doing so well, and even though this challenge was a kind of boring one, the food that they made seemed interesting. I would have been surprised that Tiffany was out, except they showed her in a confessional with her hair all pretty and makeup on midway through the show, which is always a sign of a loser confessional interview (same thing happened with Casey last week). I wanted one of the boys to go home tonight (along with Jamie, obviously), mostly because I hated their strategy of just making one dish so that they can't figure out who to send home.

                                                                                                                                                      I can't wait for Restaurant Wars next week.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: JasmineG

                                                                                                                                                        <I wanted one of the boys to go home tonight (along with Jamie, obviously), mostly because I hated their strategy of just making one dish so that they can't figure out who to send home.>

                                                                                                                                                        Ditto. Also, seems like a lot of the female chefs have been eliminated. There were 8 (out of 18) to start with, now there are only 3.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ChefJune

                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I've noted that too. There have been 3 female chefs eliminated in the last three weeks, and there was another run of female chef eliminations early on...

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                            I don't see their sex having anything to do with anything.

                                                                                                                                                            A chef is a chef is a chef....

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: JasmineG

                                                                                                                                                          I don't see their sex as having anything to do with it, but of those that went home Jen and Tiffany are the only two that I could call questionable. Worse yet, how would you like to be one of the people that got sent home while Jamie stayed? I think that may be the biggest injustice.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ladybugthepug

                                                                                                                                                            I agree that Jen was questionable, and I would be horrified if I was cut while Jamie stayed. But, Tiffani this week? I'm not sure you could excuse the blood line. Who should have been cut instead of her? I'm disappointed to see her go, but it seems like a reasonable cut to me.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                              One of the three guys (probably Fabio) would have been sent home. It's a strategy that will no doubt be used in the future. One dish? Someone's got to be accountable for that - especially when the only thing they made was not great. It's a lame thing to do. I'm guessing in the future they'll make them make more than one dish.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                I guess I felt a little annoyed that the guys apparently got away with their strategy of only making one dish. Of course we'll never know; it's perfectly reasonable to believe that Jamie's and Tiffany's were actually worse than the guys' dish.... but it does seem that it would have hard to pick if they weren't.

                                                                                                                                                          2. Thanks again Linda for a job excellently done! You've earned your sleep tonight - fait des bonnes reves!

                                                                                                                                                            I guess there was never a fear that they would not catch enough fish for the challenge, otherwise they might not have taken them out there? because at the beginning of their trip i was thinking how can they possibly send someone home for not catching your own fish? Loved Tom's enthusiasm for the challenge, tho - go out, catch a fish, go to the market, make dinner!

                                                                                                                                                            Another great line from fabio - "It's psycoh-yoh-yi-cul warfare"!!!

                                                                                                                                                            I knew it would be the two gals - and felt bad for Tiffani, but yes, she made a mistake. Yeah, Jamie claiming anyone is copping out is beyond ridiculous. and loved Tre saying it was like having a little baby in the background. THANK GOD OR WHOEVER YOU PRAY TO OR DON'T SHE'S GONE. i didn't hate her, i just felt she was a downer. such a pretty girl, such a bad attitude.

                                                                                                                                                            Poor Antonia, being told that she would have been going to Amsterdam if she hadn't been on a losing team! I loved her squealing at the fish she caught, and the cute dance the girls did on the ship. Her po' boy sounded/looked yummy.

                                                                                                                                                            One dish for the boys' team was stupid - and judges were right - it was too ambitious a dish for their locale, and it seemed overwrought.

                                                                                                                                                            Do love that Carla won again. Loved Dale's fish tacos. (i mean, i loved the idea/look
                                                                                                                                                            /descriptions of them!)

                                                                                                                                                            Marcel is a douche. Seriously.

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                              Actually, I was surprised it was two girls! I thought it unlikely that both women would go from a show/strategic POV, but my son called it.

                                                                                                                                                              Why was Antonia crying? Was it because, as she said, she didn't want anyone to go home, or was it really because she didn't help/advise her team mates and felt responsible for their imminent departures? Or is she really playing the game and started feeling guilty for not helping? Maybe she was just tired/keyed up, I can't quite figure it, but I think that it was an odd reaction in any event, and it was interesting that Gail called her out on it.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                I thought it was because the put her on the spot and tried to get her to badmouth the other two.....

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LaLa

                                                                                                                                                                  This. It was teh second week in a row where she was asked "Why do your competitors suck?" It was a terrible question and done in very poor taste. Were the evil elves trying to get more tears in the episode?

                                                                                                                                                                  jb

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LaLa

                                                                                                                                                                    yeah, that's what i think. and it's shitty of the the judges to try to put her on the spot for the other girls' dishes - albeit, i know they were supposed to be operating as a team. she seems to be a bit of an emotional sort (nothing wrong with that) but i'm also sure there was editing involved, and who knows how long they actually "worked on her" before she got to the crying point. plus, she must have been reeling from the fact she would have won had she NOT been on the losing team! so, then maybe she did feel responsible for not helping her teammates. (i know i'm contradicting myself!)

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: LaLa

                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed.

                                                                                                                                                                      My instant reaction was that she should tell them, "That's your job; you judge, I'll cook".

                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                      I admire people who refuse to answer those questions (which of your teammates suck), even if it means they cry.

                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                      Considering I slept until the alarm went off, my dreamtime was good. :-) I definitely want to re-watch this episode on OnDemand...that dance was very cute. And I have to say - I *love* your last paragraph. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                        This is not a reply specifically to LW but is a comment about how a TV show can be rewatched.

                                                                                                                                                                        Doesn't anybody TAPE things anymore? Just wondering. Y'know, a ::shudder:: VCR TAPE? These things still have their uses. I still have my VCR recorder/player(s), and still use them. I still have lots of VCR tapes, and view them.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: huiray

                                                                                                                                                                          My VCR has been broken for years, and I've never hooked up the DVD player. I'm an electronics failure. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                          I too loved the dance. :)

                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                        3. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                          It's a team challenge, so they have to eliminate chefs from the losing team, no? It would've been nice if they explained the rules to the viewers.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                            This is what I have been wondering, whether the two to PYKAG had to be from the same team. Now, even if that's not so, it's still quite possible that Tiffani would have gone (I've never had bluefish, but have always read that leaving the bloodline in makes for very unpleasant eating).

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                                                                              I wouldn't think so. There were two losing teams, so I'd expect they were all eligible to go home. Otherwise the fellas would have been mighty relieved once the first name was announced.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                                                                                Also, re: the blue fish--Tom seemed to be warning her that it was a hard fish to cook properly and she dug in and insisted she knew what she was doing. And then, apparently, couldn't pull it off. When I saw that exchange between Tom and Tiffani I immediately thought of Blais's comment a few moments before "If Tom asks a question, he's loading up"... B;ais knew that Tom's warnings count for something, but Tiffani apparently did not.

                                                                                                                                                                                P.S. Linda, thank you for the re-cap!

                                                                                                                                                                                ~TDQ

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                                Gails blog:

                                                                                                                                                                                Bravotv.com: So for this challenge they were broken up into groups. Obviously Jamie and Tiffani went home, but Antonia did well.

                                                                                                                                                                                GS: She did do well. Her dish could have been on the top in another circumstance. I mean the name of the game was that you really were with your team, you went down with the sinking ship so to speak, so she was on the bottom because of her teammates. Her dish really was quite exceptional not only because it tasted great, it was crunchy and salty and delicious, but she used a fish that people usually shy away from that takes a lot of work to finesse. It’s very bony and she did a really great job preparing it, in a really smart way.
                                                                                                                                                                                ***
                                                                                                                                                                                She made it sound like it was a team challenge and the losers should come from the same team.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not sure. I think she's saying she was in the losing judge's table because her teammates did poorly. I don't infer that necessitates two people from the same team going home. It be nice to know what the contestants were told when the challenge rules were reviewed with them. The guys still looked nervous after the first name was called.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                                    That's not how I read that. I read that as "to be eligible for the win you had to be on a top team and to be eligible for elimination you had to be on a bottom team."

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                      And there were two bottom teams.

                                                                                                                                                                              3. Love the headline of Tom's blog: "OK, So Jamie’s Gone: NOW What are You Mad at Me For?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: momjamin

                                                                                                                                                                                  LOL! Yet something else I'll have to read tonight at home - but GREAT headline!

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                    Bourdain's blog has some hilarious commentary on Marcel's would-be gangsta persona, Jamie's "Sea Sloth" run, etc., including a nod to his own fishing filming sessions (e.g., have a stunt fish).

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: momjamin

                                                                                                                                                                                      I just read Bourdain's blog - LOVE this!

                                                                                                                                                                                      "It's really an amazement that Marcel has made it this far through life without getting a proverbial pencil in his neck. On the prison tier of existence, he seems designed to be a victim."

                                                                                                                                                                                      :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                      AND it seems AB had a hand in designing next week's challenge!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                        the whole entry was great, as usual. some awesome lines. but i think this was my favorite:

                                                                                                                                                                                        "Especially your menacing exhortation to your cellies that should they not live up to your high standards, they should just "Get the f--k out tha game!" I tell you, that gave me chills. Reminded me the time Suge Knight held me upside down off the hotel balcony and asked for half my publishing. "

                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL!

                                                                                                                                                                                        i'm also glad he mentioned the Black Hammer history with Antonia...i had forgotten about that!

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: momjamin

                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe for not sending one of the guys from the Fabio-Richard-Marcel team home? At least that's what some people might say ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                  3. As a defender of Marcel, I agree that his ghetto act was embarrassing. But wasn't his main point that Dale didn't plate enough food at the dim sum and only cared what got to the judges? I thought I heard that in his drunken rant.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought Jamie was gonna be safe again and Tif and Marcel would be going home from the comments. Waiting for the return of Mr. Bourdain.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                      I caught that accusation too, and I think it may have merit. Wasn't Dale shown strolling around the kitchen aimlessly, spit-polishing his shoes while everybody else was scrambling?

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LaPomme

                                                                                                                                                                                        I read in an interview with him that what actually happened was that he spilled a lot of hot liquid on himself and was just wiping it off his shoes because it was, well, hot and wet. Just a momentary thing, not meant to be casually strutting around the kitchen with time to waste.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: lisavf

                                                                                                                                                                                          read that too. editing to make him look bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: lisavf

                                                                                                                                                                                            But there was no sense of urgency about his action of wiping off his shoes. It looked completely casual, which is why I think that the elves used it to bolster the impression that Dale was largely idle.

                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                          That was his rant, but we don't know that it's true.

                                                                                                                                                                                        3. Hootie Hoo for Carla!

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                                                                            I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                              Ha ha. A Carla hater. That's 3 posts against. I love Carla, but she is a bit of an innocent. This is the second time she's won and the second time she danced for joy in front of the doomed. It is in bad taste. Her saving grace is that it's done unwittingly, not on purpose. I guarantee she won't do it again. She learns and grows and continues to surprise. Tomorrow she'll wake up a better person. Marcel will still be a douche.

                                                                                                                                                                                              jb

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm having a hard time reconciling "This is the second time she's won and the second time she danced for joy in front of the doomed. It is in bad taste." with "I guarantee she won't do it again. She learns and grows and continues to surprise. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                What makes you think she wouldn't do it again when she's done it more than once? The answer might just be that Marcel called her out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                And if Marcel says you are acting like a fool, well, that means something.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                  It is because Marcel made her aware. What it says about each of them depends on what they do next. I guarantee Marcel will continue to be...Marcel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  jb

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Concur.

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. So far TC AS is really surprising me!

                                                                                                                                                                                            I was so sure Tiffani was going to be one of the finalists!
                                                                                                                                                                                            She never seemed to hit her stride this time, and maybe because she has mellowed as a person - she didnt have that stringent desire to beat everyone else.
                                                                                                                                                                                            As she was saying, that might not be such a bad thing if she feels she has improved as a person.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Richard too, is a big disappointment so far. He just doesnt seem "there" to me.
                                                                                                                                                                                            He really seems to have lost the lovely disposition he had during his first run, and doesnt seem to have the same kind of enthusiasm he once had.

                                                                                                                                                                                            As we have already said, Jamie didnt have the competitive spirit she had the first time around.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Perhaps, the experience is so exhausting, and they put so much effort in the first time, they simply don't have the energy for a second round of competition?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd say, of course. People change. Priorities change. Incentives change. Where they are in their careers and life changes. Especially when deep runs in Top Chef are such life and career changing experience, they are forced to dramatically change as persons.

                                                                                                                                                                                              And a one-off competition like Top Chef is not something anyone be primed to do well year after year. I'd actually say it would be quite unhealthy to be so OCD and hyper-competitive focus years later, as is required for contestants to have deep runs.

                                                                                                                                                                                              It really helps Angelo and Tiffany D, that they basically took a few weeks/months vacation after being strong in their own season, with no real chance to fully decompress and morph into different competitors. So they come in TCAS pretty much with the competitive spirit, mentally and physically they were in s7.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: dach

                                                                                                                                                                                                I completely agree about Tiffany and Angelo

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: dach

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Angelo was called by the producers 4 days after the S7 finale and shooting for S8 TCAS started 1-1/2 weeks afterwards. He had no vacation.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. So Fabio gets front of the house next week. That coming after doing nothing but chop on last night's episode. I'm waiting for the Jamie-like wrath to come down on him for not cooking and dodging challenges. Or is he too cute and cuddly for mass loathing?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: tofuburrito

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fabio is a nice enough guy so all the Top Personality viewers won't get on his case.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                                                    ahahahaa

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                                                      not necessarily. i found him entertaining during S5, but this time around the whole "strange Italian immigrant" schtick is wearing thin.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've often wondered if I would find him as charmless in person as I do on TV. People really seem to eat up that schtick!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fabio was OK in his season, but I was never a big fan. I definitely think he's all schtick right down to the "bunky beds" comment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: dmjordan

                                                                                                                                                                                                            It is highly unlikely that Fabio will win this thing, but I kind of enjoy his schtick. Someone has to be the comic relief for all this confrontation and controversy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: tofuburrito

                                                                                                                                                                                                        The front of house people are responsible for at least one dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: tofuburrito

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well there have been past FOH folks who have done substantive work on their dishes before going out. It does remind me, though, of one of the reasons I dislike the RW episode. Keep the folks in the kitchen!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't really like Restaurant Wars, either (among other reasons, good people seem to get sent home).

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Great names think alike, I guess!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I thought the best line of the night was when Dale said if Angelo were a fish he would be a mermaid, and then cut to Angelo soaking up the sun with girlie sunglasses.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                                                                                                            And it makes me wonder even more about him hiding from the diners when Mike I. was trying to pimp him out. And giggling like a schoolgirl while Mike was doing so. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Did it not work out between Angelo and his mail-order GF? Quel surprise!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Nettie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2010/10...

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Didn't the two eliminated cheftestants HAVE to both be from the losing team?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Like Dale L and Stephen?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            So they couldn't have told both Jamie and Marcel to PYKAG. Right? Right? Bueller? Bueller?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                              really? i think at the point that they are all at the bottom, any two from any team could go home.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think they could have sent one from each team home. I thought for sure it was Marcel and either Jaime or Tiffani.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Did anyone else thing Marcel/Blais?fabio's dish was extremely unappetizing?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: C. Hamster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  yep. and fussy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Totally off-topic, but for the first time on this episode (even though I've watched Just Desserts), I just noticed how big-chested Gail is, not big-breasted, but big-chested. Was she a Romanian power-lifter in a previous life?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe because I felt this episode was a total rip of the Next Iron Chef America challenge, but I thought it was rather dull and boring.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Like alot of other people, I really dig Carla. She sort of has that quirky Dr. Seuss mixed with Waldo (in Where's Waldo) look about her.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Koodos to Carla for flaunting her EC win. If the losers can't take the trash-talk, cook better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm going to start calling Marcel "Logan"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Didn't they go fishing at a bad time of day? It takes a few hours to drive out to Montauk, so it must have been well into the day by the time they got out there. Builds tension when the fish aren't biting...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thrilled for Carla, glad to see her win with blue fish, which is a little more of a challenge. I wish someone had done an assertive West Indian blue fish stew.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Marcel was a jerk (after dim sum, although I wondered if he had a point about Dale not cooking enough portions for the dim sum room) and I thought he was going home for overcooking and overworking their team dish. Hate to see Carla get smacked down right after her win -- his gripe plays into her own sweet sense of good manners. She deserved the celebration moment. It's great to see her confidently cooking after the way her first season ended.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pitu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not to defend Marcel again, but I am sure that if he was the one who had won the challenge and he went back into the stew room jumping around - and Carla said the exact same thing - which was "sorry if we arent excited for you, but we are on the bottom"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Everyone would be saying what an asshole he is for rubbing it in everyones face, and horray for Carla for saying something to him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am certain of it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I didnt think she was necessarily wrong for being excited, nor was he wrong to point out that he wasnt so excited.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think the difference is, Marcel would be doing more of a "in your face" gloating dance. And would be unapologetic if someone called him out. Carla was just being Carla, over exuberant and happy. When she was called out by Marcel she was upset and apologetic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: viperlush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You are speculating of course, and I dont ever remember him acting like that after a win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But, yes, you are right Carla had the class to feel bad afterward.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's not speculation, it's just wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We've seen Marcel win and not do an "in your face" dance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We've seen Carla win and dance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You are spot on, NellyNel, with what would happen if they were juxtaposed in the situation. Oddly, people are reacting the same way. He's a jerk, we love her. Doesn't matter who was dancing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              We forgive her. He's doomed. There's a reason for that beyond this one moment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              jb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: JuniorBalloon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Whatever. You're letting your feelings about the individuals cloud the facts of the engagement, which is totally your prerogative.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But tell me if the situation was reversed you'd feel like Carla was being a bitch and Marcel had every right to dance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And Marcel is consistently idiotic while Carla is almost always compassionate and kind to her fellow contestants -- despite the way Pylon is piling on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think it would only be piling in if everyone else was there first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    No, he's not "constantly" idiotic. He has his moments, yes. But I've seen him be more gracious in winning than she was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So I'll say it again. Tell me if the situation was reversed you'd feel like Carla was being a bitch and Marcel had every right to dance. Because I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Marcel could win a challenge, and I don't think it's beyond him to act that way. And I want to see you defend him in that case. Because you wouldn't, and you'd be right not to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But people are defending Carla's actions just because they like her. She was out of line, and he was justified in saying something.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just because you dislike someone doesn't mean they can't be right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No, you're piling on your own "I dislike Carla" post. Over and over. You don't like her, many of us do; let's move on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think you can pile on yourself. If anything, I'd be piling on if 200 posts were pointing out the Marcel looked like and idiot and I said "Yeah, screw that guy."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          200 posts -- but not all by the same person ;-).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BTW, Carla won a trip to Italy this season for her soup at the tennis challenge.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In the final round, Carla served against Tre Wilcox, who was immune from elimination after winning the Quickfire challenge – and $20,000 in the process. The judges didn't love his salmon dish, so Hall won the round and, later, earned a nod of approval from the judges, who named her the winner of the entire challenge. Her prize? A trip to Italy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            re: Italy: Fair enough. I thought we were talking about this week's win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            re: 200 posts: Right. So if I'm the only one (and I'm not, but one of the handful), it's not really piling on. Tough to have a pile of one. Especially compared to a pile of twenty or thirty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyone else think it's funny there's an argument going on about "piling on" that involves a poster named Pylon? Get it? "Pyl- On" "Pile on"? Hahahaha, I kill me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In any event, I agree it was somewhat bad form for Carla to come in dancing, though totally understandable, and somewhat bad form for Marcel to be such a killjoy, though totally understandable. Both were justified in their reactions, both could have benefited from keeping their reactions internal. My 2 cents.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: charmedgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have to admit, that hadn't really occurred to me. Well played.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: charmedgirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, duh! That's why I said it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Your correlation is wrong. The difference isn't that people like her but that she's been a good competitor and nice person all a long which is what makes people like her. People give her a pass for being inconsiderate this time around (and as I said above, I do think it was thoughtless especially since those in the stew room didn't know they'd lost) because she hasn't all along. Her attitude is what makes people like her and her attitude is what makes people give her a free pass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          OTOH, if Marcel were to do it, it would be just another example of why he's been a jerk which is what makes people dislike it. You're obviously a Marcel fan and ready to give him a free pass just as you're accusing those who defend her of the same. The biggest different, IMO, is that Carla immediately noted that she was wrong about her actions and contrite about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't think I've given him a free pass on anything. I've said repeatedly that his behavior with Dale made him look like an idiot. All I've said was I thought he acted appropriately with Carla. I've not argued one iota about other behaviors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "People give her a pass for being inconsiderate this time around..."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            See, I'd be OK with that, but people are arguing that she wasn't being inconsiderate. And that's wrong. I've got no issue with your comment above. It's the people who refuse to admit she can do anything wrong that look foolish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And as I've said, I'm not a huge Marcel fan. He amuses me, and at times makes himself look like a complete tool. No argument there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            To John E.'s point below, tell me if the situation was reversed you'd feel like Carla was being a bitch and Marcel had every right to dance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If Marcel danced out of excitement (and that's something I'd pay not to have to see if he'd hip hop), and Carla called him on it and he showed the same remorse that Carla had, I'd let it go. If Carla made the sarcastic comment that Marcel did, I'd think she were a jerk. Satisfied? I'm not really a Carla fan but you're assuming because I don't slam her as you have that I must be. Her response was thoughtless but it wasn't mean spirited which is the impression I got from Marcel's. And, yes, I'm basing those thoughts on their past performances and behavior.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's cool.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My whole issue is with the people who can't admit she might have been in the wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Her response was thoughtless but it wasn't mean spirited which is the impression I got from Marcel's. And, yes, I'm basing those thoughts on their past performances and behavior."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And I think that's fair, regardless of being a Carla fan or not. That's getting into interpretation of intent. And while I have suspicions, I don't think any of us are in a place to really "know."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Again, I don't really have an issue with someone saying "yes, she was out of line, but I'm willing to give her a pass." It's the people who refuse to acknowledge it only because they are such big fans that puzzle me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think your last sentence should be the response to any others that comment upon last night's brief exchange between Carla and Marcel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've never done this before (replying to myself). The post to which I am replying now needs explanation. I was referring to Pylon's statement where he was saying that people would feel differently about the exchange between Carla and Marcel if the roles were reversed and it was Marcel dancing and shouting "I won, I won" and Carla who said "I'm sorry if I can't get superecstatic for you...".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am totally going to do that. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "You are spot on, NellyNel, with what would happen if they were juxtaposed in the situation."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        THAT is speculation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          No way!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I WAS spot on - I am sure of it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            NN -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree, but debbiel is right that we are speculating what would happen. So the best we can do is wait and see what happens in the future.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I am pretty darn sure if Marcel came in doing a dance, and Carla said something - almost everyone on this board would be saying Good for Carla and Marcel is an ass bla bla bla...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You yourself have been saying that people tend to forgive thoses that they like, and tend to look for thinks to pick on - those they dont like...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Human nature?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not disagreeing. Again, I think you are right. But in the end it's speculation because we haven't seen Marcel dance around after a win and Carla say something about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Which is something to think about in and of itself, I suppose. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And we know for a fact that if the shoe were on the other foot, you'd completely support Marcel dancing and hate Carla calling him on it. Shoe, other foot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I dont know if I would agree to that as I think I'm pretty fair in my acessments...I think it depends on exactly how the situation panned out...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I call it as I see it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh - and by the way - personality-wise - I like Carla a hell of a lot better than I like Marcel!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Funny, the rest of us also think we're pretty fair in our assessments but that didn't stop the speculation. I call it as I see it, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Sorry if my posts come across as rude - I certainly say things in a light hearted manner .(which may not come across when written out)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So I hope you don't mean to be as rude as your post comes across.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Between the lack of nuance in posts (and emails) and the tendency for us humans to add whatever interpretation we come up with, most of us ultimately have no idea what one another is actually saying.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        As it happens, I didn't think either one of you was rude.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks--I'm sorry if I came off as rude to anyone. I was just responding to the assertion that the rest of us are biased and would definitely have responded differently had the situation been reversed. There was nothing emotional on my part. As has been said in the past, it's best to give the poster the benefit of the doubt that there is no ill intention.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            it's true...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            thanks, chic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Apples. Oranges. Marcel's win did not include a European trip.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bollocks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If Carla was the class act you all insist she is, she would have kept her composure regardless.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As I said above, winning something big does not make it OK to show up your competitors. Had her reaction been limited to the reveal moment, it could be dismissed as the shock. But this was in the next room, after the thank yous had been said. No reason to act that way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And I seem to recall plenty of others winning trips across the pond who did not act that way when sending others out to face the judges.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As I indicated in last week's thread, I think Marcel is a noxious, delusional individual. That something he said had some degree of legitimacy is about as significant as a broken clock being right twice a day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I seriously can't get my head around this praise of Marcel's behavior in the same episode that brought us a drunken faux-rap that included animal snarls when even semi-coherent words failed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well put, Indy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We are not praising Marcel by any means!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We are looking at the situation in an open minded clear way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He acted like a rapper ass with Dale
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He did nothing wrong by APOLOGIZING to Carla.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And its a fact that you would be PRAISING Carla if the boot was on the other foot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Except he DID NOT apologize to Carla. He prefaced his comments by saying (FACETIOUSLY) "forgive me". He was in no way apologizing for his comments. It wouldn't occur to him to apologize, because he's a self absorbed asshole who only thinks of himself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes Carla let her exuberance get the better of her when she returned to the stew room. However, there was absolutely no maliciousness in her actions & she immediately showed remorse when she realized she could've hurt other people's feelings. Marcel doesn't care who's feelings he hurts or what he says/does to others as evidenced by his drunken rooftop scene.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Continuing the footbal analogy, Marcel would be the one who jumps in the other teams face flaunting his score, causing a fight, while Carla would be the one who jumps in her teammates arms to celebrate the score, then gets off the field to continue the game.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Except he didn't apologize to Carla. Carla apologized to HIM. He just continued to glare at her after she did so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Carla--child-like. Marcel--childish. Neither in the right. Dale walking away from Marcel--maturity.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'd like to know where Dale took his anger management classes - I have some business to refer to them! =)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: aching

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, what great publicity for them. They should pay him to wear their t-shirt.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: aching

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was wondering about that class as well. If I'm not mistaken, the outcome data on most isn't great. Says as much about Dale as it does about the class

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The outcomes on anger management classes that are court ordered (as in domestic violence convictions) are usually pretty bad. Individuals who recognize that they have a problem and take the classes are already motivated to change, as opposed to batterers who just attend (to avoid jail), get their paper checked off, and continue on as previously.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm in the Marcel as a douchebag camp, and have been all along. I am so happy that Jamie is gone and that Carla won, although i agree her excitement over her win was probably inappropriate given the knowledge that two of the others would be going home.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's because you are too biased against him and for Carla.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hate him, love her. Fine. It doesn't excuse her behavior. And he was the one who spoke up about it. Even if you don't like him, how many times have you seen someone act inappropriately and say nothing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Your phrase of "praise of Marcel's behavior" is much different than "praise of Marcel." Don't get so tied up in your personal feelings about the people that you dismiss or accept their behavior without thought.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "That something he said had some degree of legitimacy is about as significant as a broken clock being right twice a day." Perhaps. But I'm guessing if your clock is stuck on 12, when noon rolls around you don't dispute the time. You take the moment as it is and move on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tell me if the situation had been reversed you'd feel the same way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW, I'll also point out that most of us don't KNOW what Carla is like. Or Marcel for that matter. We have images from the show and edited footage from which to shape our opinions. Opinions, I might add, that have led us to a long discussion about the show. Which is kind of the point. So don't get too caught up in "Carla is too kind hearted to have..." or "Marcel is such a douche that..." if you don't actually know them. They are little more than characters in TV land.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I look at these replies and realize we're at the point of diminishing returns.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I really don't understand a number of the points you're making here. In what way is praise of Marcel's behavior "much different" from praise of Marcel? Marcel is doing the behavior, right? On what basis do you assume that I have accepted or dismissed Carla's or Marcel's behavior without thought? Because I've posted fewer posts than you? Because I came to a different conclusion than you did? And I simply don't understand what you're trying to say in your broken clock-move on comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Truly, we've reached the end of a productive exchange. We'll agree to disagee on both Carla's and Marcel's values and personalities as seen in the footage the editors have provided.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's not so much praise of Marcel as simply saying he did nothing wrong in the exchange with Carla and if there was fault to be found in that exchange it would be Carla that behaved poorly and not Marcel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "It's not so much praise of Marcel as simply saying he did nothing wrong in the exchange with Carla and if there was fault to be found in that exchange it would be Carla that behaved poorly and not Marcel."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ---------
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              How do you mean "show up your competitors"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Her behavior mar have been impulsive and thoughtless but it didn't seem to be premeditated, with the goal of "showing her peers up".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Nevermind. Found it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "If I score and get excited, it's one thing. I liken that to the immediate reaction to the win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If I score, then hand the ball to the ref, then run to midfield and pose o'n your team's logo, that's not celebrating. That's showing up the other team.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This reminds me of the Jets vs. Brady. Go Pats.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Edit: I didn't realize other football analogies were coming later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I still don't think Marcel's comment was a big deal and while Carla was over exuberant, it wasn't that big a deal either. Most people do come in with a bit of a bow or wait for the others to point out who won and it's MUCH less celebratory.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I still don't think Marcel's comment was a big deal and while Carla was over exuberant, it wasn't that big a deal either. Most people do come in with a bit of a bow or wait for the others to point out who won and it's MUCH less celebratory.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ***
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't think Carla shouldn't celebrate, and I don't think Marcel has to be happy for her. What I find distasteful are the people piling onto Marcel just because he's not happy for Carla and the needless repetitive name-calling. Yes, I know many people think Marcel is an ass and/or a douchebag - how many times does it need to be said?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Worldwide Diner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I hear ya, you're preaching to the choir if you're specifcally replying to me..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: Indy 67

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It guaranteed him one of only two spots in the finale and a 1 in 2 shot at $100,000 and the title of Top Chef. Carla would give up her trip to Holland in two seconds for the same win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I was referring to his win this season -- not his first season of competition. We're not even close to that point in this season.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            4. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And the elves SHOWED Carla feeling bad about it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Nettie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, and they wouldn't do any misleading edits, right? ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not there and I am very cognizant that the elves love a villain, but I have the sense that it would be hard to edit Marcel as a good guy or Carla as an unkind or nasty person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is Marcel's take on the situation, a very interesting read indeed:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: lisavf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not sure what to make of that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: lisavf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        One of the comments on that article asks an interesting question:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "sorry, I don't buy that Marcel is the big victim. One has to ask just how the editors get such consistent footage on Marcel but not the other chefs. Why isn't there any footage showing Tiffany D or Carla as douches? It's easy because Marcel gives the editors a lot of room and a lot of things to set up how much of an arrogant dweeb he comes off as."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And another: "Maybe he wasn't an ****** all the time, but they work with what he gives them."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, you are speculating in your post above as well, Nelly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You said "Everyone would be saying what an asshole he is for rubbing it in everyones face, and horray for Carla for saying something to him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am certain of it."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How about we say that BOTH had bad manners - Carla for dancing, Marcel for calling her out? But again, at least Carla has the GOOD manners to feel embarrassed and apologize. I speculate Marcel wouldn't do the same. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't see it as bad manners to call someone out when they are out of line.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The issue I see is that people are having trouble separating the person from the behavior. If you set away from who they are for a moment, I think you will see it differently.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Think about football for a moment. If your team scores and does a big dance, hooray! The other team does it, and they suck. That's human nature. No different here, I think.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But we will see when (ok, if) Marcel wins something and gloats, and see how people react then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW, I may have missed it, but did Carla apologize to those in the bottom half for her behavior? You say she apologized, I didn't see it. At least, not to those to whom she should have. Again, I may have missed it or it may have been edited out. Just can't remember.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There is taunting and there is celebrating. I don't have a problem with the latter. Even if it's a Green Bay Packer celebrating a winning touchdown. I don't mind a world with exuberance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm also not a Carla fan, nor a Carla non-fan. She's fine. She seems nice. But I don't feel particularly vested in her as a contestant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Linda did not say that Carla apologized. She said that Carla felt embarrassed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Might wan to read Linda's post again:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "...at least Carla has the GOOD manners to feel embarrassed and apologize."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Her words, not mine. I was just wondering if I had actually missed something. And, in fairness, he may have apologized to them on the spot, we just didn't get to see it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So, let's take the taunting/celebrating comparison further, because I think it's a good distinction you've made.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If I score and get excited, it's one thing. I liken that to the immediate reaction to the win.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If I score, then hand the ball to the ref, then run to midfield and pose on your team's logo, that's not celebrating. That's showing up the other team.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We don't know how much time elapsed between the initial announce and the stew room, but we know SOME amount of time passed. Long enough for her to get some composure and be a good winner.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry. I did read her post and somehow missed that word. Long day and weary eyes from catching up with this thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If I get great news, have an initial reaction, but then try to rein it in a little bit, it may still be bubbling up inside me and the emotions may escape when I get out of the room and into a room where people who have become my friends are sitting. . For me, it's less timing than nature of the response. I saw nothing at all akin to taunting in her reaction. I saw thrill and excitement and glee, which I think is a completely appropriate response to winning a trip to Amsterdam.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I guess we will have to disagree on what is or is not an appropriate celebration.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's cool. As long as your reaction is the same when it's Marcel winning. (Assuming, of course, he wins anything. Which is quite an assumption.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Just curious. You're such a strong supporter (apologist, some might say) on behalf of Marcel. Do you really just like him that much? Do you identify with him in some way? Or is it just fun to go contrary to the stream? Nothing wrong in any case. Like I say, just curious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you really do like him that much, maybe you can tell the rest of us what we've missed that has him occur as so appealing to you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not really. I think he's amusing, but that's about the extent. There are several other chefs I really prefer and think are far better at what they do. If he leaves next week, wouldn't bother me. I don't think I've apologized for him at all. In fact, I've made several comments in this thread that he looked like a total asshat with Dale.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm more bothered at the inane, mindless apologist for Carla against Marcel based on people perceptions of the personalities rather than the behavior displayed in the episode.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's such a pervasive mindset in society to forgive the ills of those with whom we identify, and condemn those with whom we disagree, regardless of the actual event being discussed. It's not ok. We should expect more of each other.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I thought I could let this go and agree to disagree, but now that you've rolled out the "inane, mindless apologist" phrase...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm glad that your interpretation is the correct one, whereas all of us who feel Carla's behavior was not inappropriate are clearly wrong. And clearly wrong because we are not able to see past our adoration for our queen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  She won. She was excited. She showed her excitement. She did not taunt. She did not trash talk. She got excited. Sad, sad world if that kind of behavior is considered inappropriate. And I can interpret the situation that way without being inane or mindless.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The "inane, mindless apologist" may have been out of line. If so, I apologize.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Let's try inane, mindless apologist behavior. Doesn't make you a bad person, any more than calling someone out for bad behavior doesn't make you a good person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I'm glad that your interpretation is the correct one, whereas all of us who feel Carla's behavior was not inappropriate are clearly wrong. And clearly wrong because we are not able to see past our adoration for our queen. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just to clarify, the behavior in question is winning, having some amount of time pass as they move between rooms, then dancing around in front of the doomed. If you are ok with that behavior, then so be it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "She won. She was excited. She showed her excitement. She did not taunt. She did not trash talk. She got excited. Sad, sad world if that kind of behavior is considered inappropriate. And I can interpret the situation that way without being inane or mindless."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And I thought her level of excitement in the situation was poor form. And someone saying so wasn't inappropriate, even if it is Marcel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A chaque a son gout, as the French say.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fair enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: chicgail

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You asked me that question too. Why does anyone like anyone? I'm still trying to figure out why everyone loves Tre but chalk it up to being just one of those things.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes. You did miss something, Pylon. I am watching the episode again right now OnDemand, and after Marcel's comment of "Sorry if I'm not super-ecstatic, because that means we're on the bottom" and his rather gritted-teeth-look at Carla, Carla *immediately* apologized with an "Ohhhh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry!". There's silence from *everyone* else in the room while Marcel continues to grimace at her, and she then murmurs in a *very* subdued manner, "They...uhhh...want to see you" and motions towards the judges' room.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                After the two losing teams leave the Stew Room, Carla said "I should have contained my excitement" in a very dejected manner and Angelo and Tre both say to her "No, no!" and Angelo says "it works both ways!" and someone says off-camera "You're there to win".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Carla was excited, she showed that excitement, and when called on it, she apologized. Marcel, however, continues to be a d-bag. He shot her down and really didn't seem to care how he was treating her.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fair enough. I watched it once at the end of the night. I can totally believe I missed it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My 2 cents - I think Carla was surprised to win. I think she thought Dale was going to take it and so was a bit giddy and carried it into the stew room without thinking about how the others would feel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As for Marcel, I sort of defended him last week but I can't defend that gangsta thing this week. Why does he think he's a rapper?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As for his comment to Carla, I don't think he was raining on her parade. I think he was thinking of himself again, and as the realization that they were a losing team hit him, he was starting the pity party. He was probably thinking more about why his team was on the losing side and how to avoid being the one to go than about chastising Carla.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: chefhound

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree with most of what you say except for one thing. Carla did not start dancing and shouting again until she got INTO the stew room. On TV they showed them all walking off in a calm manner. She didn't carry it into the stew room so much as she started it up again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i figured that was because she was trying to maintain her composure in front of the judges but felt more comfortable letting loose among her fellow contestants...sort of like when you receive a job offer or promotion/raise, act like a professional adult and calmly accept the offer...and then do your happy dance once you're out of the boss' line of sight ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i just watched it again...after Marcel made his comment Carla clearly said "I'm sorry," and sat down. once the losing teams had left the stew room she told the others she felt bad and should have kept her mouth shut about winning, and several of them said it was absolutely okay and she should enjoy her win because "that's what we're here for."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yep, that's what happened. It doesn't mean Marcel did anything wrong however.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        i never used the word "wrong" in reference to his comment...i just saw it as further confirmation that he's an ass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So if the roles were reversed you believe Marcel would have done nothing wrong by dancing and shouting in the same manner and Carla would be an ass for saying she couldn't get superecstatic for his win. That's interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            if i believed Marcel was just genuinely excited and not purposely rubbing it in everyone's faces? absolutely! i don't care who is doing the celebrating - if it's a happy knee-jerk reaction to the fact that you just won an exciting overseas trip plus $$ for airfare, i say have your moment, and anyone who rains on it sucks...even that person raining on it is Carla. i'm not her biggest fan - in fact, it took me a while to warm up to her during her season - and her kooky behavior is a little much for me to take at times...i just saw this particular display as an innocent joyful moment that Marcel purposely killed because he's a brat. that's all i'm sayin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Word.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Gah....I've got to get the gangsta rap outta my head! LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I too didn't much care for Carla early on in TC 5 and I still think Marcel is a turd. I guess were coming at this from different perspectives. I was a high school and college wrestler. If someone who won a big match did anything similar to what Carla did they would have gotten pummeled or at least takendown.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I guess were coming at this from different perspectives.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  agreed. and i'm guessing you're not a fan of NFL end zone celebrations ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think she said something like "I shouldn't have done that"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Isn't it reasonable to put a persons behavior in the context of their motivation? Isn't it different when you accidently murder someone? Theres some word for that....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The word you are looking for may be 'unintentional' and I agree that Carla was not intending to rub anyone's nose in dogshit with her actions. She was excited, I understand that. But Marcel also said nothing wrong in his response. The others telling Carla it was ok is human nature. They were saying that because they too knew she wasn't intentionally bothering anyone with her dancing and shouting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Or they were saying it because they actually didn't think anything was wrong with it. Like a lot of us.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ok, so you don't find fault in Carla's behavior. What do you think about Marcel's comment to Carla?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought he sounded like a bit of a killjoy. On many occasions people have not responded to winners with smiles and cheers, but they were usually quiet about it. Marcel's comment seemed to bring the room mood down a bit. It wasn't the rudest thing that's been done on the show, but it did make make me raise my eyebrow a bit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Manslaughter!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          a legal term for the killing of a human being, in a manner considered by law as less culpable than murder.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No, he said nothing wrong, John E. His demeanor, however, belies what he said. The attitude and look on his face wasn't all that nice. Carla immediately apologized, and yet we see Marcel continuing to grimace at Carla (yes, I'm aware it's called editing). Carla was sincerely apologetic, and Marcel didn't seem to accept it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            He remains a petulant little child in my book. "I didn't get the position I wanted on the sandlot baseball team! I'm gonna take my ball and go home!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Marcel looked like he was sort of smiling as he said it and he meant only what he said. He didn't appear to be a smartass or anything. I was however both surprised and not surprised at Carla's behavior. I was not surprised because she has shown a lot of exuberance in the past but I was surprised she showed such poor judgement by doing her dance and shouting in the stew room in the faces of her defeated competitors.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Shrinkrap

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shrinkrap, look up several posts to my response to Pylon - I have the exact conversation there. She said "I should have contained my excitement."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: viperlush

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Remember that, when Carla was bemoaning her exuberance after Marcel left the room, Angelo told her not to take it so hard, that they're there to win. Very thoughtful of him.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4. re: pitu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It looked like they got out there early enough. They got up really early for the drive. Fabio said it was "...to late for a midnight snack and too early for breakfast".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pitu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      When did Carla get "smacked down" for her win? Who did that? I must have missd hat part.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know, if someone saying "sorry if we're not happy" equals being "smacked down", then everyone's gotten really soft.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i think we're just responding to the fact that it's the first time in 8 seasons anyone has chosen to blatantly rain on another chef's parade after they won the challenge...and it came out of nowhere. it was just further proof that Marcel is a nasty little twit.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Again, I'll have to disagree on whether or not Marcel was "...a nasty little twit." in this case. I think he responded just fine. He even apologized for not being 'superecstatic' at her win because that meant his team was on the bottom.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It is however the first time in 8 seasons that anyone has danced and shouted with glee in front of the losing side in the stew room just before they have to go out and take their medicine at the judges' table.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There are plenty of things to dog Marcel for in his appearances in Top Chef over the years. This just isn't one of them and I believe it diminishes the the impact of how nasty and what a jerk he is by putting this exchange into the same category.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thats right, John - I couldnt remember exactly what he said...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              He was actually apologizing for not being "supe-ecstatic"....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sometimes Marcel is simply guilty of guilt by association. He was disappointed and frustrated on being the losing team and now he was facing elimination. There's been lots of comments about his remarks but very few acknowledging that he did apologize.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  we can just agree to disagree on this one. you make it sound as though Marcel made his remark about the win, saw that it upset Carla, and THEN apologized because he felt bad! instead, he prefaced the remark with what i took to be a completely sarcastic "forgive me if i don't get up & twirl you around in celebration, but for some of us it sucks that you won" kind of "apology."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i agree that Carla's celebration was over the top, but i don't believe she did it to rub it in their faces...and Marcel's reaction just struck me as cranky and unnecessary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree - that was exactly how I took it as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't think it was meant nor implied to be an apology. And if I were him, I wouldn't have apologized either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I did nothing of the sort. He said said "I'm sorry". Those words came out of his mouth. The words that did not come out of his mouth were "...it sucks that you won". This is one time where he didn't sound sarcastic. He didn't say I'm sorry to Carla as you described it because there was no need for him to do so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Marcel is an ass, most people posting here would agree with that opinion. But in this case he showed more class than did Carla even though I agree that she didn't do her antics in an attempt to rub anyone's nose in it. It was thoughtless however.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Total agreement here. I never meant to imply Marcel was being an ass for his comment to Carla. He earned that at the top of the show and repeatedly in his season. Carla was just being exhuberant and momentarily thoughtless. Something she hasn't done over and over as Marcel has so I can cut her some slack. However Marcel is dooooooomed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Joanie

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    +1.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pylon

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ditto. Also, Pylon, I'll take this moment to say I agree with you regarding the characterisation of this scenario as shaped by the feelings about the two participants. I've been seeing this throughout, as favourites are seen as doing no wrong, and others (even if douchey) are made into instant villains.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've found it interesting that in scanning this thread, no one has suggested Blais should have gone even though his gastrique was disliked and he had a strong hand in designing that dish (as he suggested in his description of how to manipulate Marcel).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Lizard

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Two dishes were worst than theirs. Had Marcel or Fabio gone home instead of Blais, that discussion might have happened. IMO, it would have been a close call if one of the three had to go. I don't recall Blais talking about manipulating, but maybe have missed it. I do remember his saying the way to work w/ Marcel was to go w/ his suggestions, or something along those lines.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You're right, the problem was that the elimination on that team didn't happen although I recall some speculation at the top that it would be Marcel and Fabio. I found that interesting in light of the gastrique comment (I missed that they liked how he cooked the fish).
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What Blais said about working with Marcel was to have Marcel think he had made the suggestions, At least, that's what I recall. It's fuzzy by now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          At any rate, I don't really care (although I was sad to see Tiffani go) but remain interested in this thread for the way character preferences do shape the interpretations of actions. I don't have strong feelings about anyone on this season so perhaps I am feeling particularly aware of it. Because I am less in love with Blais, I find the amount of praise he receives- curious. Similarly, I don't hate Angelo, so I don't get all less the hate. I don't know.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Lizard

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It does not seem like there have been that many people who think the judges got it wrong this time (though I'm not going to reread the entire thread to confirm that). It seems that there are folks who are disappointed that Tiffani was sent packing. That's quite different than thinking it was a wrong decision. I felt fairly certain that Jamie was going home, even though we didn't see as rough an eval of her at judge's table. The scene of her trying to plate the judges' fish was stuck in my head. As for the 2nd person, I had no idea who it was going to be. I don't think I would have been surprised at anyone other than Antonia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          As for the characterization of the disagreement, please note that not everyone who disagrees with Pylon is in the Carla clubhouse. I think there is an incorrect assumption being made that if you are defending Carla on this one, she's one of your faves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I was disappointed that Tiffani was sent packing but think the decision was fair based on this performance. I think she's right that she redeemed herself this time around and changed people's opinions of her. I thought she was a great (and fun) competitor this time around. She left with class and dignity, much more than can be said about some of the others who have left or stayed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree chowser. I thought her closing statement was fantastic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: debbiel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Likes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ditto that chowser. I was not a fan of Tiffani in her season; I was a big fan of her in All-Stars. She's obviously in a much happier place in her life and it showed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Lizard

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Blais cooked the fish - and the fish was good, according to Tom and Gail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That sounds biblical.:-) Yes, and the poorly butchered fish was, as they said, an amateurish mistake and Jamie's dish was watered down water vegetables. I think their cooking one dish w/ no ownership was a big mistake and I don't understand the strategy that doing it together would make it harder for the judges to send two home. It would have been interesting had they had the worst dish. Do you send home the prep cook (Fabio), the originator (Marcel) or the one who put it together (Blais)? Tough call all around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: chowser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LOL on the biblical remark - hadn't thought about it, but it is! LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And yes, I would love to have seen what would have happened if it *was* the worst dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: pitu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pitu, fishing at the crack of dawn is not always best. Fish can, and do feed 24/7, the slack periods and major feeding periods are more about tidal movement, rather than time of day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pitu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "West Indian blue fish stew"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was thinking Jamaican style escovitch!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When Tom said he had a least favorite, what was it? Did we already cover that?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. Cracked me up when Dale said his fish was as big, if not bigger, than Marcel... Bwwwahahaha!