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Waterfront Alehouse before Paddy Reilly's or somewhere else?

H & I and another couple are taking the bus up to NYC next weekend. Staying at the Eventi in Chelsea. We want to hit a bar for some good live music on the Friday and I think Paddy Reilly's fits the bill. Since Paddy's is so casual I am thinking something pretty laid back for dinner. Waterfront Alehouse looks good, but it doesn't appear to take reservations. How crazy will the wait be on a Friday night?

Is there somewhere else "on the way" (between hotel @ 6th and W 29th and Paddy's @ 2nd and E 29th) you'd recommend?

Thanks!

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Paddy Reilly's
519 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10016

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  1. First of all let me congratulate you for not staying at one of the Times Square hotels. That area is a culinary wasteland.

    WAH should be fine is you allow a bit of time. If you get there by 6:00 you should be seated immediately or within 30 minutes. You'll have a fine time at the bar if you have to wait. The beer selection is excellent.

    Other possibilities in a 5 minute walking distance (and on the way) are Turkish Kitchen (nicely priced and well prepared Turkish food) or Dhaba, one of the better Indian restaurants in Manhattan and also attractively priced. Both are casual.

    TK doesn't take reservations but it should be easy to get a table for 4 any time before 8:00PM. Dhaba takes them.

    Another possibility one block further away is Great Sichuan, also reasonably priced place and with very good food. You shouldn't need a reservation.

    Turkish Kitchen - http://www.turkishkitchen.com/index.html

    Dhaba - http://dhabanyc.com/

    Great Sichuan - http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7231...

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    Turkish Kitchen
    386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

    Great Sichuan
    363 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

    1. Waterfront is a very good choice. I live in the nabe and go there frequently, including on Friday and Saturday nights, and I don't think I've ever waited more than five minutes or so.

      If you or your companions decide you'd like something a little quieter than Waterfront's controlled chaos, then I'd suggest Riverpark which is one block over at 1st and 29th.

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      Riverpark
      450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

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      1. re: ml77

        Riverpark is well regarded. It's also *much* more expensive and is a fine dining venue as opposed to a pub.

        Not that there's anything wrong with that at all but the OP might not be aware of just how different the restaurants are.

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        Riverpark
        450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

        1. re: Bob Martinez

          Fair enough, although I wouldn't call Riverpark fine dining and you can order from the bar menu which has pricing similar to WAH.

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          Riverpark
          450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

          1. re: ml77

            I think comparing the bar at RP to WAH is a pretty far strech from price to atmosphere to food quality.

          2. re: Bob Martinez

            Riverpark isn't much more then what you would spend at places you suggested like Dhaba, or Turkish Kitchen. It just might not be what the OP is looking for.

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            Turkish Kitchen
            386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

            Riverpark
            450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

            1. re: sugartoof

              "Riverpark isn't much more then what you would spend at places you suggested like Dhaba, or Turkish Kitchen."

              Only if you don't know how to add. This isn't a matter of opinion, it's simple arithmetic. I don't want some trusting out of towner to walk into Riverpark and get sticker shock because they took you at your word.

              A meal for 2 at Dhaba, including starters, mains, a bread, a bottle of wine, tax and tip will run around $120. At Turkish Kitchen, with starter, main, and a bottle of wine, tax and tip - $100.

              Lets see what a comparable Riverpark meal would cost. I'll use average costs -

              Starter - $17
              Main - $25.60
              Side dish - $6
              2 glasses of wine ($12 for a glass of cabernet) $24
              Total - $72.60

              Since this is a meal for 2, lets double that - $145.20

              Tax - $26.50

              Tip (and this is a lowball #) - $30

              Total - $201.70. Tip well and you get to $220.

              I'll let the people reading along decide whether that's comparable to $100 to $120.

              http://www.riverparknyc.com/index.php

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              Turkish Kitchen
              386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

              Riverpark
              450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

              1. re: Bob Martinez

                Dhaba have been mediocre lately, and Turkish Kitchen was always mediocre, so let's start with the food.

                Turkish Kitchen also has entrees in the $24 range with laughable portions.

                Spending over $100 for 2 at any of these places is unnecessary.

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                Turkish Kitchen
                386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

                1. re: sugartoof

                  Disagreements about whether a particular restaurant is good are subjective. You're entitled to your opinion.

                  But that's not what you said in your first post. You claimed "Riverpark isn't much more then what you would spend at places you suggested like Dhaba, or Turkish Kitchen."

                  Simple arithmetic shows that Riverpark costs twice as much.

                  Pat Moynihan once said that every man is entitled to his own opinion but not his own set of facts.

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                  Turkish Kitchen
                  386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

                  Riverpark
                  450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

                  1. re: Bob Martinez

                    The fact is, the entrees range in price within $2-4 of each other. It clearly depends on how you order. There's nothing for you to argue over.

                    1. re: sugartoof

                      "The fact is, the entrees range in price within $2-4 of each other."

                      I am not sure where you're getting that.

                      This stuff is easy to check. The menus are available on line. You can cut and paste the stuff into Excel. Presto - you get average prices.

                      The average entree price at Turkish Kitchen is $18.90

                      The average entree price at Dhaba is $15.60

                      The average entree price at Riverpark is $25.66 plus an additional $6 for side dishes.

                      http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...

                      http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...

                      http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...

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                      Turkish Kitchen
                      386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

                      Riverpark
                      450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

                      1. re: Bob Martinez

                        Have you eaten at these places?

                        Who would spend $100+ at Turkish Kitchen and consider it a good value?
                        How likely is it they're going to be happy with one single dish at Dhaba?

                        Yet let me explain you the methodology of "isn't much more". If you get one of the cheaper entrees at Riverpark, it's not much more then if you got one of the pricier dishes at Dhaba/Turkish Kitchen. Meaning, if you're smart, depending on how you order, you can leave Riverpark with a bill that isn't much more. Meaning it's not much more. Meaning, give it up already. Go argue about Katz's bread versus their napkins.

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                        Riverpark
                        450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

                        1. re: sugartoof

                          "If you get one of the cheaper entrees at Riverpark, it's not much more then if you got one of the pricier dishes at Dhaba/Turkish Kitchen."

                          Could you point me at one of those cheaper entrees at Riverpark? I love a bargain. Keep in mind that we're talking about the dinner menu since that's what the OP was asking about.

                          Here's their menu -
                          http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...

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                          Riverpark
                          450 E 29th St, New York, NY 10016

                          1. re: Bob Martinez

                            Cod $24, and Pork Chop $24...they're complete entrees, no need for a side.
                            http://www.riverparknyc.com/menus_din...

                            Or order the dinner specials for two, chicken $55, steak $68

                            Or better yet, try the Cafe menu...

                            burger $14, grilled cheese $13, lasagna $16, fried chicken $17,
                            http://www.riverparknyc.com/menus_caf...

                            Be sure to report back once you've tried it, Bob.

                            1. re: sugartoof

                              Sugartooth, you make friends everywhere

                              1. re: MVNYC

                                It's the same hand full every time.

                              2. re: sugartoof

                                Appreciate the tips. Which of these dishes did you like best, and what was good about them?

            2. re: ml77

              I go there frequently too and never waited more than 15-20 minutes. There is an ebb and flow to the wait there. It doesn't really grow consistently during the night, just sort of hit or miss. Good timing/luck and you can sit right down, even at 830 on a Friday night and bad timing you can wait 20 minutes. Don't think i've ever seen a wait there before say 7pm

            3. I live in the hood and have been to WAH at least 20 times. Great beers. I wouldnt stray to far from the burger. The other offerings have been inconsistent at best and wheen they are bad they are terrible. If you are going to Paddy Reillys for music, Turkish Kitchen would be good. There are also 2 Thai places on the corner of 28th and 3rd that are decent. Jayia is a little better but smaller portions. There is good mexican at Mexico Lindo on 27th and 2nd or El Parador on 34th and 1st. All less thn 5 min walk from PR

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              Turkish Kitchen
              386 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10016

              Mexico Lindo
              459 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10010

              El Parador
              325 East 34th Street, New York, NY 10016

              Paddy Reilly's
              519 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10016

              1. If you do end up at Waterfront, which I recommend, don't leave without a bottle of their homemade hot sauce!

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                1. re: CBCebulski

                  LOVE hot sauce - so I will def pick one up! Thanks!

                2. Thanks, all! You've made me comfortable with the WA - sounds like a wait at the bar would actually be a good thing. The other suggestions sound great too, but at least one of the four of us (not me!) doesn't love the foods mentioned (Turkish/Sichuan/Thai - and we get great Mexican in DC...). I think WAH burgers will please everyone!

                  Since you we re so helpful, I'll ask another question here, but I'll also make a separate post since it'll likely get better responses in its own thread...

                  We're going to hit a show (on or near Broadway) on Saturday night and will dine afterward. I've booked Marseille, but thought I'd ask for other post-theatre suggestions that won't be too far from either the theatre district or our Chelsea hotel. We'd love a wine-bar with shared plates of meat and cheese or somwehere with bistro type fare...

                  Thanks again!

                  1. You'll be fine at Waterfront, and it's a good choice.

                    If you have a lot of anxiety about the wait, you can take a slight detour to Molly's which is an Irish bar that would pair up nicely with a night at Paddy Reilly's.

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                    Paddy Reilly's
                    519 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10016

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                    1. re: sugartoof

                      Miles ahead of WFA in the food department

                      1. re: princeofpork

                        I disagree. Went to Molly's recently, and their burger did not match up to Waterfront's. Wasn't cooked evenly and so at medium rare much of the center was mushy. And my wife had to send hers back.

                        Never had these kinds of problems at Waterfront, and I've been there many times.

                        1. re: ml77

                          I have eaten at WAH at least 15 times. Anything other than the burger or pulled pork is a shot in the dark. Had some of the worst meals ever there if you stray from the signature items

                          1. re: princeofpork

                            Been there much more than 15 times and have only encountered a few misses.

                            Burgers (both regular and the buffalo burgers when they have it), pulled pork, Texas dip, onion soup are my go-to orders there. The mac and cheese when its a special is also very good as is the house smoked pastrami. Only thing I generally dont like there is the fish and chips. But then again, I absolutely hated the fish and chips at Mollys, even though its gets raves.

                            At Molly's, I either get the burger or the shepherd's pie. My wife likes the lamb stew there. Also, the french onion soup at Molly's is pretty bland.

                            1. re: princeofpork

                              POP,

                              Let's agree to disagree on this one. I've also eaten at WAH many times and never had the problems you've had. Whereas I went to Molly's wanting to love it and it didn't deliver. Doesn't mean you're wrong, just that we've had different experiences.

                              1. re: ml77

                                I think we'll be happy at either. Thanks for the details though - my H doesn't like it when his burger is so juicy that it makes the bun soggy - so he can make sure to the let the server know he wants it cooked enough that this doesn't happen.

                        2. re: sugartoof

                          Going to check out Molly's now. I know our party loves burgers, but in case someone wants to depart from that maybe Molly's is the better choice...

                          1. re: kireland

                            Molly's looks great too (and I LOVE Dublin style fish and chips AND onion rings)! Neither take reservations and both serve good beer so I think we'll be fine waiting until next Saturday to decide which one to hit. Thanks everyone!

                            1. re: kireland

                              I've never seen a wait at Molly's, even when there's a cozy crowd. You really will be happy at either one. Waterfront is one of the more underrated hidden gems, and Molly's is a locals favorite with one of the most recommended burgers in the city.

                              Between the two, Molly's has better atmosphere, but Waterfront has a better selection of beer/wine. Molly's probably matches the theme of your night better, but Waterfront is a bit closer. Waterfront's food tries to be slightly more upscale (waffle fries for example), where Molly's is more classic hearty food, like prime rib specials.

                              You can't go wrong. Have a fun time, whatever you decide!

                              1. re: sugartoof

                                Actually, recently Molly's seems to be more crowded then ever. I live nearby and drop by frequently and have seen waits approaching 30 minutes on Friday nights. And its gotten next to impossible to snag a bar seat too.... even the two right by the door always seem to be taken.