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Robert Lauriston Jan 10, 2011 04:56 PM

Bar Agricole is now serving coffee and laugenbrötchen starting at 8am.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=494602504303&set=a.393715164303.169756.286956729303&pid=5670678&id=286956729303

Gaumenkitzel in Berkeley's also supposed to have brötchen when they open later this month (or whenever).

http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/744244

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Bar Agricole
355 11th Street, San Francisco, CA 94103

  1. mariacarmen Jan 11, 2011 07:54 PM

    Drove by Gaumenkitzel yesterday - hadn't heard anything about it. can you describe brotchen? it looks like a puffy pretzel....

    eta: just googled it. it IS a puffy pretzel. are they particularly delicious?

    waaait. Article on Gaumentkitzel describes them as sandwiches made on the puffy pretzel bread - more intriguing! thanks for this, Robert.

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    1. re: mariacarmen
      j
      Johnny West Jan 11, 2011 08:03 PM

      In Germany a plain brötchen is a light dinner roll we would
      buy to go with the brats and they were baked in special ovens.
      Here they look the same but the inside is just like our own
      bread; it's not the same. We also get a long doughy pretzel
      to serve with brats as well. I'm not up on all the names anymore.

      1. re: Johnny West
        b
        bgbc Jan 11, 2011 10:03 PM

        "Brötchen" is just standard German for "bread roll." Obviously there are variants (in name, ingredients and preparation) depending on region. Laugenbrötchen are dipped in lye before baking to make the exterior brown, shiny and the flavor characteristically tangy (for want of a better word). "Lauge" refers to the alkaline lye solution used.

        I believe the dough recipe can vary from region to region. The pretzels at OctoberFeast Bakery in Berkeley were an OK approximation of chewy pretzels I've had in Germany (of course I can't remember exactly *where* in Germany...)

    2. Melanie Wong Jan 11, 2011 08:33 PM

      Thanks, I'm very happy to hear this, as the quest for a proper brötchen of any kind has been longlasting and mostly unfulfilled on this board. There are rolls that look like brotchen to be found but few have the same texture as the ones found so readily at the breakfast table in Germany.

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      1. re: Melanie Wong
        Robert Lauriston Jan 12, 2011 07:02 AM

        Gaumenkitzel is owned by Germans and at least one of Bar Agricole's owners is German.

        1. re: Melanie Wong
          chefj Jan 12, 2011 04:33 PM

          Have you tried Esther's ?
          www.esthersbakery.com

          1. re: chefj
            Melanie Wong Jan 12, 2011 05:13 PM

            Yes, not craveable to me.
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/melaniew...

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            Esther's German Bakery
            987 N San Antonio Road, Los Altos, CA 94022

        2. honkman Jan 12, 2011 05:00 PM

          That looks more like a short Laugenzopf. A typical German Broetchen uses a different dough than a Laugenbroetchen or Laugenzopf and tastes very different. In addition, there are many different kinds of Broetchen sprinkled with different "toppings" as sesame, poppy seeds, different grains etc. Depending on the "toppings" bakereries often use slightly different doughs for the Broetchens

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            eatzalot Jan 13, 2011 07:11 AM

            Thanks honkman for clarifying, I was a little confused. Every day in restaurants all over German-speaking central Europe, people encounter various rolls or "Brötchen" (a generic word, little breads, from Brot = bread, suffix chen = diminuitive, and of course these and derived German nouns are always capitalized).

            Sometimes, in a custom I've never seen in North America, a basket of assorted Brötchen is left on the table and you're billed for what you take.

            I wonder if this is or will be another of those ordinary European food words that becomes kind of fashionable in the US but in an atypical offshoot meaning (as with "macaron" or even more so, "beignet"), causing confusion among people familiar with the languages or the more usual international meanings.

            1. re: eatzalot
              Robert Lauriston Jan 13, 2011 07:16 AM

              It's not fashionable around here. More like nearly unheard of.

          2. Melanie Wong May 27, 2011 11:07 AM

            Tried laugenbrötchen this morning at Bar Agricole. Not super chewy but a good roll in its own right and I loved the Seville marmalade option with it. Small, too acidic cappuccino.
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/melaniew...

            Free wi-fi and a lovely place to work, if you don't mind the hard wooden seats.

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            Bar Agricole
            355 11th Street, San Francisco, CA 94103

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            1. re: Melanie Wong
              Melanie Wong Jun 20, 2011 01:34 PM

              Laugenbrötchen has been discontinued. Coffee and tea beverages only during the day. Latte was better today than the earlier cappuccino.

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              Bar Agricole
              355 11th Street, San Francisco, CA 94103

              1. re: Melanie Wong
                Melanie Wong Jun 27, 2012 03:01 PM

                Shoot. Was going to recommend Bar Agricole for SOMA hang-out, but checked website and it's no longer open in the morning on weekdays.

            2. r
              rccola May 29, 2011 11:19 PM

              October Feast at its store on University and at various farmers' markets has German pretzels,* which are delicious, and pretzel-tasting German style croissants.

              *By "pretzels" I mean soft, puffy, delicious but not Philly style soft pretzels, more roll-like insides. Perhaps this is the brötchen you desire.

              http://www.octoberfeast.com/

              I was very underwhelmed by Gaumenkitzel. Ate lunch there and just so-so and high-priced for this area of San Pablo.

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              OctoberFeast Bakery
              1954 University Ave, Berkeley, CA 94704

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