What bread[s] do you make for dinner? Is there a pattern to what you make or do you make your bread component according to what's for dinner? Recipes if you have winners please.
- iL Divo Jan 2, 2011 06:52 PM
The way my husband was raised, there was always a bread of sorts on the dinner table.
My family hardly ever had a bread of any sort for dinner. When we got together, I was perplexed at how often he asked, "is there bread?" I got used to it and more often than not, there's bread with dinner. Either dinner rolls or muffins or toast or quick bread or buns or ''raised something'' that goes well with butter. He also thinks that butter is almost more important than the bread itself. "May I have bread with my butter please" I hear him thinking.
Since I made a glazed oven roasted pork roast for dinner tonight along with au gratin baked potatoes, fresh steamed carrots, baked apple slices in butter and cinnamon...the texture of the bread I wanted for dinner was to have a bit of a crunch factor. Scoured my head for what would work. I came up with one that never disappoints.
"Adapted" from a favorite old time cookbook.
The American Woman's Cookbook circa/published 1946
Although I've made the Sally Lunns in this cookbook a hundred times over the years, I've also changed it up just a bit a few times in different ways to be a better fit for what's for dinner.
Tonight was a way of doing that.
"Corny Sally Lunns"
scant 2 c flour
3 t baking powder
1 t kosher salt
scant 1/4 c yellow corn meal
put all in large bowl and whisk to combine.
1 c buttermilk
stick softened butter
scant 1/4 c raw sugar
put butter and sugar in bowl and using electric mixer, mix until creamy.
add the egg and combine then slowly the buttermilk.
alternately blend both the dry and wet.
use spray coating in muffin tins, this made me 8.
preheated my convection oven to 333*.
put the mix in silicone muffin baker and baked 13 minutes.
the result is so light and tender moist and good crisp/crunch on the edges of the top of muffins.
no butter needed for mine nor his, surprise surprise...
Care to share your dinner bread recipes? Ideas in general or how important a dinner bread is for you and your family....
re: iL Divo
I think the bread at dinner has to do with where you are regionally.....and if there is specialty of the region involved. In the New York Area, crusty bread is available reasonably priced and easily accessible in all the markets by the top bakeries in the area.......It's easy to purchase instead of making at home. In the South or Midwest, this is not the same.....so maybe Dinner rolls, Biscuits or Corn Bread are more traditional.
When I was growing up, bread was always part of the meal - every meal. I've concluded that it was a way to fill all those little tummies when there wasn't enough of the main course to satisfy the hunger of all those kids. I remember my grandfather pouring coffee from his cup into the saucer to cool it down, then sipping coffee from the saucer and often dipping toasted bread into the coffee (especially buttered cinnamon toast) as a way to enjoy his breakfast. As a toddler, our son didn't like toast unless it was burnt. He preferred to dip the burnt toast into orange juice. Thankfully he's outgrown that phase of his life.
These days, our meals include bread with most meals. Biscuits, scones, muffins, etc. for breakfast; sometimes just plain toast or toasted raisin/cinnamon bread. Lunch breads include sourdough or hoagie rolls or sometimes just plain sliced white sandwich bread for sandwiches or perhaps a foccacia. Dinner breads are selected according to what works best with the dinner menu. Dutch crust, sourdough, dumplings, spaetzle, crescent rolls, corn bread, etc.
For special occasions we will offer something like challah, Artos, or something like that.
I make most of the bread in our house so there is rarely a slack moment on our kitchen.
B usually want's bread with dinner. A lot of the times he asks it is with a pasta or rice meal. He's one of those skinny types who eats a ton of protein and I think he asks when I serve carb heavy, meat light meals in order to make sure he is full. I usually only think of having bread with dinner if it is something where I want to sop up broth or gravy, or if there is no other starch on the table.
I usually buy a loaf of sourdough, but when I have time I make whatever yeast bread floats my boat.
re: iL Divo
Yeah, I've found I like sandwich style whole grain loafs, but artisan style when it's mainly a white flour. Sourdough has a good flavor, crust, crumb AND doesn't go stale immediately (important with only 2 people in the house). The desert island might is a tough call between sourdough and semolina.
I make bread for many meals and it depends upon the specific cuisine that I am cooking. Therefore if we are doing Italian it could be anything from an Italian loaf to Focaccia, French could be French bread, baguettes (however I usually have these for lunch so they are rarely served at dinner), French rolls, even croissants. Indian - naan, parantha, chapati, etc.
I think you get the idea, there are also many cuisines that don't get any bread such as most Asian cuisines. So for our family the bread has to match the meal and yes there are some times that I am lazy or too busy and stop by a local bakery to pick some up.
This thread is very interesting to me for another reason, how differently the "food plate" is set up in different cultures.
From the perspective of Indian food, it's not that bread is served "with" dinner, but every food plate (in a middle class family) has to have certain elements:
1. Staple - rice, OR bread (e..g chapati, poori, naan, etc.). Rice and bread are never eaten together, btw, so it's very odd for me to read people writing that they used their naan to sop up the curry and rice :) But I digress. This staple occupies the 6 o'clock position front and center of the plate, it's that important.
2. Protein or main dishes: these occupy radial positions around the top rim of the plate. A simple daily home meal would have daal of some kind, or meat (for non vegetarians). You can't eat the dal or meat by itself, you eat each bite by scooping it up with a torn piece of chapati or eat each bite by mixing it with rice. For parties etc you would have more main dishes.
3. Veggie sides: again around the rim, and a simple home meal would have one or two veggie sides. Again, not eaten by themselves, but scooped up with chapati or mixed with rice. You could also have shredded vegetable salads.
4. You could start with chapatis, and end with a serving or two or rice, and the daal/veggies keep coming as needed.
5. Yogurt or raita, either on the side, or for most vegetarian meals, to end the meal, e.g. yogurt rice, to cool off your mouth and digest your food (probiotics).
So, an Indian meal is incomplete without a staple of bread or rice or its equivalent. Unless you are on some kind of diet. You don't eat bread "with" your food, you eat other food "with" bread, but all components of the meal are essential.
Even the simplest peasant poverty food revolves around the roti/chapati/rice, with the accompaniments as available (could be as basic as an onion or a green chili - this is real poverty).....
So, the idea that you could have a full meal without that staple component is a very different idea for me.......
"some times that I am lazy or too busy and stop by a local bakery to pick some up."
I'm busy too and often times forget to buy it. for me however, I far enjoy making it from scratch, not because it's necessarily better, but because it relaxes me and I enjoy the steps to fruition
Normally we don't have bread with dinner unless we are having homemade soup (from leftover chicken or turkey...yum!) Then we'll either whip-up a quick cornbread.
Sometimes my dad will get the baking itch and make an amazing loaf of whole wheat bread using the recipe from the back of the King Arthur Whole-Wheat Flour bag. He uses molasses and olive oil, and it makes an insanely delicious loaf with a wonderful crumb. This doesn't happen often, however, because we'll eat way too much!
I like to have bread if there is soup, stew, or chili. I'm not a skilled bread baker, but can turn out biscuits, flat breads, cornbread, and corn cakes fairly well. If something *more* is needed, then we have a really fantastic bakery (Great Harvest) that turns out some impressive loaves. If I'm making soup, and have some sliced bread on hand, then I am just as likely to make a batch of croutons for the soup, instead of troubling myself for anything more difficult/expensive.
If there are eggs involved, with deliciously runny yolks, then, of course, there is toast.
When I was growing up we only had bread (white rolls) for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Occasionally my grandma would make them on a cold, wintery day.
Then, I went to live in Norway for a year as an exchange student. We had bread morning noon and night! I really grew to love the wonderful breads they have. They were healthy, whole grain types of bread but they tasted so much better than what we had available in my home town. That was 25 years ago.
For ease and convenience I like some of the Artisan Bread in 5 recipes. My favorite is the potato rye bread. I leave out the caraway seeds. It seems to go with many types of food.
I recently purchased two baking books. Crust and Crumb (I'm gearing up to try a recipe in that one soon) and The Great Scandinavian Baking Book. I made a strange little bread from that book recently and it was quite good. I don't know if your family likes whole grains but this is a delicious, healthy and easy bread. It's actually a quick bread or soda bread. No yeast. I had some strong doubts as I mixed it up but was pleasantly surprised. I think it would make a nice sweet bread too, with the addition of more brown sugar, cinnamon and raisins. Here's the recipe in case you ever get caught off guard and need to whip something up quick. And butter loves this bread. :-)
Here's a link to the recipe: http://books.google.com/books?id=y9z2...
When I grew up, my Mom always had bread for all three daily meals. Mornings she made homemade biscuits (every single morning of the week), so the few times we had toast it was a treat for us. Lunch was always sandwiches, even if we had soup, we still always had a sandwich to go with the soup. Dinner was always cornbread or lightbread or homemade rolls. I never thought before about how much bread we ate. Interesting thread.
"When I grew up, my Mom always had bread for all three daily meals. Mornings she made homemade biscuits (every single morning of the week),"
see I love that. that to me is a true tradition.
many people in their homes create traditions that live on.
I continue in trying to do my MIL's cookies every year for our kids and my husband and now just a few days ago, attempted first time ever, her scrapple. tradition, it's all about a person starting a memory maker................................I loved reading that from you Wtg2Retire
Whilst I did not grow up having bread every day, my husband did. Now because I like the craft of breadmaking I like to make brioche with butter and sprinkle on a great finishing salt, ciabatta, sourdough, 9 grain, pitas, naan, herb bread, baguettes, buttermilk biscuits, cornabread, croissants, English muffins, bagels, etc. and I plan them around the meal (i.e. Naan for Indian, focaccia for Italian). I cannt think of the name of one of my very favourites - will post when I do. Oh - fougasse.
We have no bakeries here at all so that is another reason to make our own.
Do Chinese baos (e.g. "man-tou") count as "bread"?
I used to go through a period where I was eating focaccia on a daily basis, sometimes 2x a day.
Of course, when I was in college, I went through a major Pilsbury Biscuits phase. Every meal, 5x a week. Awesome stuff, even today.
Nowadays, if I want a starch I usually just have some Japanese Yams, or Chinese Mountain Yams. When I'm not eating junk food (e.g. McD's Filet-O-Fish), I'm trying to stuff as much nutrient dense food into me as possible.
I've yet to make a roti that I'm pleased with. I'd like to know the exact way and ingredients for making a good one.
We rarely have bread with our evening meal. When we were living in Germany, it was easier to find prepackaged yeast bread mixes (only about 35 cents and nothing artificial) and prepare a loaf by dinnertime. Growing up, my family occasionally had Hawaiian rolls or brown-and-serve rolls with dinner, or one of those fluffy, flavorless "French" or "Italian" loaves from the supermarket. We often had those with spaghetti or maybe a big Sunday roast.
I don't miss those industrial breads much, as they were pretty bland and mostly empty calories. OK, maybe just a little ;-)
My favorite (and only) go-to bread recipe is one I originally found on chowhound. It includes both oats and honey...how could it not be good?
I brought in a loaf to share with coworkers at the restaurant recently, and it was a big hit. They were surprised to learn it was homemade.
Can't wait to try the King Arthur's recipe someone mentioned upthread: http://www.kingarthurflour.com/recipe...
These divine buttery buns from King Arthur Flour are a cinch to make. Best of all, they have more butter slathered on top once they're taken out of the oven.
If you have time to tinker with yeast and let it rest for a longer period of time, I recommend trying the Parker House Rolls from Martha Stewart
or Crescents from Baking Illustrated (the recipe is posted on my blog
Cheers and Happy Baking!
We almost always had store bought white bread for dinner, unless we had tacos or something where you would'nt want bread. (Sometimes my mom would make pop-overs). My dad would take a piece and tear it in half and spead butter or oleo on it and then fold that peice in half and give it to us kids. My Grandma in Kansas always made bisquits. and my other grandma, also in Kansas made a loaf of bread everyday. to serve for lunch and/or dinner.