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John's of 12th Street or Patsy's?

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Showing an out of town relative around NYC. Looking for an "Old-School Red Sauce" place with authentic NYC feel. Narrowed it down to Patsy's (Midtown, NOT the Spanish Harlem pizza place) and John's of 12th Street. Opinions, anyone?

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John's of 12th Street
302 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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  1. I'm glad Patsy's is getting a mention as it's great fun. Your out of town relative will like it! Much better than Carmine's or other red sauce places.

    1. Patsy's atmosphere is better and there is the Sinatra angle. Food is about the same although Patsy's is more pricey than John's. Want to tell a story in midtown and don't mind paying a bit more=Patsy's
      want old school village charm=John's

      1. Went to Patsy's on 56th for lunch. Elegant, stuffy but impressive atmosphere . nice attentive waiter. overpriced but good food, stuffed shells were very small but tasty. chicken cesar salad was excellent but expensive at $24. I would take my parents there because of the old new york-ish atmosphere but otherwise wouldn't return. oh, and they had no lasagna on the menu.