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Hong Kong: need a recommendation for fun/hip dinner place.

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igk Dec 26, 2010 01:37 AM

Hi
We'll be visiting from Toronto over the holidays and meeting up with another couple for dinner. Last time we met up, we ended up at a fine dining place in Central, and the food was great. This time, looking for something a little more casual and fun. If you know Toronto, we're looking for something more of the Ossington/Queen west atmosphere (think converted warehouse spaces, hipster-types, though quaint-and-first date-ish place would be fine as well. We are fans of Foxleys, Delux, Black Hoof, not really Splendido/Canoe). Basically, not looking for fine-dining atmosphere, but want something that would leave an enjoyable impression. no hotels or places where people are in suits having a business dinner.

Type of cuisine isn't that important, but good food is. Price point isn't too important either as long as it is justified by good food.

thanks.

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  1. Charles Yu RE: igk Dec 27, 2010 04:33 PM

    Chilli Fagara - Good Sichuan food. Casual and Intimate atmosphere.

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      igk RE: Charles Yu Dec 30, 2010 08:09 AM

      thanks. will look into it.

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      eco987 RE: igk Jan 5, 2011 11:55 AM

      I recently took some Canadian friends to Tonkichi Japanese Restaurant and they said it was one of their favorite meals in Hong Kong. It specializes in panko crusted frying. Get the 3 person meal for a varity of their menu offerings (porkchop, oyster and shrimp are all top notch). It's a fun restaurant where you can grind your own sesame seeds with a special morter and pestle, and it comes with unlimited rice and fresh cut cabbage. The cabbage is in a fine coleslaw, very fresh and there are two salad dressing options: seaweed and gradefruit. My one warning is that they will ask you if you want to up-grade the miso soup to a pork soup for $30. The miso soup is nothing special, but the pork soup is terrible. They have more than one location but I go to the CWB world trade center one.

       
       
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        dumpycactus RE: eco987 Jan 6, 2011 12:41 PM

        If Tonkichi is too busy to find a seat, try Butagumi. It's close (Goldmark bldg) and they are quite comparable.

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          hong_kong_foodie RE: dumpycactus Jan 7, 2011 06:18 AM

          It's this the same Butagumi as the one in Tokyo?

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            dumpycactus RE: hong_kong_foodie Jan 7, 2011 12:54 PM

            oh, i wish =[

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          M_Gomez RE: eco987 Jan 14, 2011 07:01 AM

          I liked their pork soup - tonjiru! Wonder if the Tonkichi outlet you went to mess it up?

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          chloehk RE: igk Jan 9, 2011 12:08 AM

          Man, I'm probably going to get nailed for saying this, but...

          My friend J-- (originally from Guangzhou) and I recently met for lunch at Tartine in SF and were talking specifically about how there is less creativity in ambiance/restaurant ethos in HK than in other cosmopolitan cities. There are plenty of expensive restaurants with fancy decor, but I have yet to find any place here that feels like walking into a fabulous art installation -- like we just went to Bar Agricole in SF, where you have this very cool exterior gate with low lights that opens onto...vegetable beds and Anthroposophic flow forms. And then the restaurant itself is set up on another level and has beautiful wood seating, polished concrete floors, and these delicate sculptural light fixtures. Then the food is all local producer small plates country cooking. Dungeness crab with farro and chili. Gingerbread with pear compote. Etc.

          HK is a totally different universe.

          You might think about going to someplace that's steeped in old HK atmosphere -- maybe someone else could make a good suggestion. Luk Yu is coming to mind, but that's not really dinner.

          You could also go ultra luxe and do Robuchon. They have a live music ensemble that sings songs like Sinatra's "My Way," and there's beautiful glassware, lacquer, and orchids everywhere. Food is...fancy.

          My 2 cents.

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            TomEatsHK RE: chloehk Jan 10, 2011 12:54 AM

            Chloe - I'ld agree with you on ambience/ restaurant ethos at a high level. There are very few "design" led places like you find in London / NY / Paris.

            Those places with nice design (like Lily Bloom / Zuma etc.) are often lacking on the food and involve a heavy churn factor.

            If you are looking for some nice design, one of my favourite "atmospheric" restaurants is Limehouse in Wan chai. But this serves modern St John-esque British food. But may be a bit of a waste if you are visiting HK (as I guess you should be eating Cantonese food). Lily and Bloom is ok (and nicely designed) if you stick to the simplier foods. Think speakeasy with food. They can't do the more complicated fusion style to save their life.

            I would suggest living with the average decor/ atmosphere and revelling in the food. HK doesn't really do hipster (I mean there are only 20 or so fixed wheel bike riders here!).

            Don't go to Bo Innovation if you have eaten molecular gastronomy food anywhere with a competent chef.

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              Charles Yu RE: TomEatsHK Jan 10, 2011 03:03 PM

              Instead of 'Hip and Fun', since one is in Hong Kong, why not pick a place with a great view of the harbour instead? Tons of gorgeous places to consider including Oyster bar and Grill in the Sheraton. Spoon/Nobu/Yan Toh Heen inside the Intercontinental, Pierre top of the Mandarin, Caprice and LKH in the Fourseasons, Aqua and almost all the restaurants inside 1 Peking road and not to mention the peak top restaurants!!

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                skylineR33 RE: Charles Yu Jan 10, 2011 06:17 PM

                Exactly, HK is different from NY or London or other big cities. I doubt one can find each a nice harbour view (either at day time or night) other than HK. Or the fun to hand pick seafood from different tanks to be cooked and eaten fresh in a seafood restaurant...............

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                  TomEatsHK RE: skylineR33 Jan 10, 2011 09:06 PM

                  I'ld disagree on the views but agree on the fresh fish. London/ NY/ Paris all make far more effective use of the space next to the water than HK.

                  London/ NY/ Paris offer beautiful promenades to walk up and down on for km and km. The Thames path is an amazing way to spend 1 or 2 days walking. The Seine with Paris plage is magnificent and the views onto and from Manhattan are breathtaking.

                  I have never lived so close to the water (here in HK I live in Sheung Wan) and seen it so underused and neglected to industry/ commercial buildings.

                  I truly hope The West Kowloon Cultural District/ the reclaimed land in Central is used more humanly by the HK govt.

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                    skylineR33 RE: TomEatsHK Jan 11, 2011 03:39 AM

                    Oh, Hk gov?! Let me make it clear, l am talking about the view from a restaurant ! And one tip, you don't go to sheung wan for that.

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                      Charles Yu RE: skylineR33 Jan 11, 2011 04:13 AM

                      TomEatsHK, I think skylineR33 is right! I guess you've just gone off in a tangent?!
                      Anyways, HK does have its seaside promenade too! I myself love the walk along the water edge from TST to TST East to Hung Hum or the walk along the outskirt surrounding the Wan Chai Convention centre. However, my favourite is the circular 'peak-top' walk, where one can see the harbour and ocean from different angles. And its great to enjoy a snack at the peak after the 2 hours walk!!
                      BTW, IMO, the view from say Aqua in HK is as amazing as say those from Jules Verne in the Eiffel Tower or Window of the World on top of the World Trade Centre ( pre 9/11 )?!!

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                        NilesCable RE: Charles Yu Feb 8, 2011 01:23 AM

                        I can only second the comments on the view in HK restaurants and also Charles mention of the peak top walk. When the weather allows for a good view, this is one of my favorite places in HK to take a walk with my photocamera and shoot away.

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                      agaaga RE: TomEatsHK Feb 14, 2011 12:02 AM

                      As much as I love New York, I think the city needs to learn from Hong Kong about how to build up restaurants utilizing nice harbour view! Manhattan, as far as I know, have perhaps less than twenty restaurants with great views of skyscrapers or the river. In Hong Kong? Every around the corner!

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                    Hot Chocolate RE: Charles Yu Jan 18, 2011 11:20 PM

                    There some private kitchens that I think qualify .... Yin Yang ... Xi Yan ... Da Ping Huo ... Gitone ... TBLS i absolutely love if you can get in ... Mirror (food is fantastic decor is stale).

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                      TomEatsHK RE: Hot Chocolate Jan 19, 2011 05:10 PM

                      I am still holding off going to TBLS as I have read a few average reviews about the food... Maybe it is time to put in the effort and go.

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                        haggisdragon RE: TomEatsHK Jan 23, 2011 01:01 PM

                        Disposing of ample disposable income=effort?

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                          TomEatsHK RE: haggisdragon Jan 26, 2011 05:53 AM

                          There is a long wait... and unfortunately teh income is limited so effort is needed elsewhere to compensate

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                            haggisdragon RE: TomEatsHK Jan 26, 2011 01:14 PM

                            Sorry for my snarky comment. Your blog is great. Have been reading it in preparation for 4 nights in HK starting March 5. I guess I'm slightly jealous! Let me know if you're interested in a mini chowmeet around that time.

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                              TomEatsHK RE: haggisdragon Jan 26, 2011 08:22 PM

                              I am currently on my 31st hour of work straight so will email properly later but of course. More excuses to eat are always good.

                              Loving hte food culture in HK... not so much the work culture.

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                                haggisdragon RE: TomEatsHK Jan 26, 2011 11:37 PM

                                Great, I just added my email to my profile.

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                                  PhilD RE: TomEatsHK Jan 27, 2011 01:14 AM

                                  Tom - I would also be interested - email in profile

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                                    haggisdragon RE: PhilD Jan 27, 2011 11:38 AM

                                    welcome.

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                                    Charles Yu RE: TomEatsHK Jan 27, 2011 03:51 PM

                                    Wow! 31 hours straight!! No wonder you did not response to my e-mail pertaining our propsed mini-chowmeet with Alfred mid March!
                                    Take care!

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                                      TomEatsHK RE: Charles Yu Jan 30, 2011 09:00 PM

                                      Charles - hopefully you got my reply? If not please let me know. However, that date was good. Bring on the Sha Tin pigeon.

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                                        chloehk RE: TomEatsHK Feb 3, 2011 11:52 PM

                                        If girls are invited -- I'd love to join you too ;-)

                                        Email en profile.

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                                          Charles Yu RE: chloehk Feb 5, 2011 01:56 PM

                                          I have send you an e-mail on behalf of the group

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                                            PhilD RE: Charles Yu Feb 5, 2011 02:04 PM

                                            Charles - I would also be keen to meet-up. Email also in profile

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                              Hot Chocolate RE: TomEatsHK Jan 31, 2011 10:43 PM

                              If you decide to go and they say they are full. Try asking if the outside area is available. They have heaters but you can just wear a nice sweater and you'll be fine (assuming you're not one of those HKers that wears their puffer jacket / chinchilla fur when it's 50 F outside). I'm from mid west where cold = snow / freezing.

                    2. skylineR33 RE: igk Jan 10, 2011 05:51 PM

                      For fun and hip, I suggest going to Bo Innovation. It has some good lunch deal. The food there is good, interesting and fun. It is a controversial restaurant , lots of people like it and also lots of people do not like it. I happen to be in the 'like' group and I have been to other competent Molecular cuisine restaurants.

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                        chloehk RE: igk Jan 10, 2011 11:46 PM

                        Has anyone here eaten at The Chairman? I've heard it mentioned on blogs as very creative, sophisticated Cantonese. Honestly, I've been waiting to go b/c I still don't feel like I've got a good appreciation for Cantonese food yet, so I don't want to spend the money and not *get it.*

                        One of the nice things about HK I think is that luxury is flat-out luxury here. The fancy restaurants here go for it in terms of glamor and bling. We had dinner at a beautiful half moon table overlooking the harbor at Pierre shortly after we moved here. Everything was shiny and glossy and beautifully lit. That has to be one of the fanciest meals I've ever eaten in my life.

                        In a lot of Western cities there's a kind of embarrassment about luxury. It's often downplayed. In HK it's front and center.

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                          skylineR33 RE: chloehk Jan 11, 2011 06:10 AM

                          I love the Steamed flower crab with chinese wine at Chairman.

                          I know what you are talking about. You like hang around in those more glossy districts ? But cheap is flat-out cheap in HK too. There are districts in HK you can find family of 5 squeezed into a total living space of 100 square feet. You can find a bowl of good snake soup for $30HKD at a hole in the wall eatery in Sham Shui Po, but you can also have a $200 bowl of snake soup in some expensive restaurant in TST. It covers the whole spectrum.

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                            TomEatsHK RE: skylineR33 Jan 12, 2011 12:01 AM

                            I do really want to go to the Chairman.

                            Ah I now understand that the reference to a harbour view was only from restaurants restaurant!

                            London has a handful of restaurants London (not that many admittedly - I have always wanted it to make better use of the Thames for dining) , as does NY/ Paris which have splendiferous water views.

                            Went to Pierre today interestingly. Good view but food, whilst good, wasn't anything to drive me to raptures.

                            However, very enjoyable experience service wise. Great female French maître d’ with whom some enjoyable cheese discussions were have. I'ld probably prefer a revisit to Amber (and most definitely to Caprice) over it. Looking forward to 8 1/2 next week.

                            I would say buzzy might be dai pai dongs which have just reopened in Central Street Market. Fun, young, great atmosphere and all can agree the food is good. Absolutely no luxury though :)

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                              Charles Yu RE: TomEatsHK Jan 12, 2011 06:47 PM

                              Hello TomEatsHK!

                              For the Chairman, try rounding up a few friends and have their 'tasting menu'. We had a 'chowmeet' there last March and the meal was very enjoyable. In addition to the crab, I loved their pan fried sun-dried jumbo oyster with honey glaze, their smoked pigeon and their deep fried baby yellow croaker.

                              There is also a Cantonese Michelin 2* - 'Celebrity Cuisine' in the hotel next door. Fellow chowhounder Fourseasons loved it, but my wife, who happened to ate there a week earlier, only gave it a so-so!

                              Food in HK's Pierre was nothing like their Parisian 3* big brother!! Apart from the great view, the meal I had there was a big flop by Michelin standard. Bland and mediocre tasting food! Rather than chatting with the lady maitre d', I had a great chat with their sommelier about their restaurant's focus on Burgundies rather than Bordeaux! A rarity in Cab loving HK

                              Lovely! You are going to try out 8 1/2! Great! Let me know how it goes since I am thinking of giving it a try during my next HK visit. Have you eaten in the 'ultra expensive' Da Domenico in Causeway Bay? This is my yardstick for Italian food in HK, though remembering their plate of HK$500 Spaghetti a la Vongole still makes me shiver!! Damn tasty but ridiclously *&@#$%^ expensive!! For that price, I could have 18 bowls of won-ton noodles at Mak's!!!

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                                TomEatsHK RE: Charles Yu Jan 18, 2011 05:34 PM

                                I ate at 8 1/2 yesterday and was impressed by the food but solidly disappointed by the service.

                                The pacing of the meal was off (40 minutes wait for a main) and the waiters had no knowledge of the menu, the ingredients etc.

                                The cheese postre was also plain bad with unripened cheeses served overly refridgerated.

                                On the Chairman - I have booked it for lunch with some friends but don't know whether you cna have the tasting menu at lunch. I will pop in there on the way back home tonight and check!

                                Tom

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