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susans Dec 24, 2010 03:43 PM

An Einstein Brothers Bagels just opened in my neighborhood. I've never been to this chain and their website doesn't say if they have "real" bagels. It's a convenient location, so if they have good stuff, I'll go. Should I?

  1. goodhealthgourmet Dec 24, 2010 04:03 PM

    depends what you think a "real" bagel is.

    for those of us who grew up on bagels from H&H, Ess-a-Bagel et al back East, the stuff at Einstein Bros is an abomination - puffy, squishy bread rings with no real chew or true bagel texture. and they have some bizarre flavors that don't belong anywhere near a bagel or cream cheese.

    but if you're not a purist, and you can consume supermarket bagel without gagging, it might be acceptable to you ;)

    seriously though, the existing threads about it may be helpful:

    24 Replies
    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
      susans Dec 24, 2010 06:25 PM

      Thanks. It seems their bagels are steamed like Noah's, not boiled in the traditional way. That saves me the trouble of parking in their lot.

      1. re: susans
        goodhealthgourmet Dec 24, 2010 06:52 PM

        same company - they own Einstein Bros, Noah's, and Manhattan Bagel.

        1. re: goodhealthgourmet
          ipsedixit Dec 24, 2010 08:01 PM

          They've really created their own segment of bread products ... the "Fragel" or a fake bagel.

          Nothing wrong with a Fragel, some can be very good in their own right. It just wrong, and really unfair, to compare a Fragel to a Bagel.

          1. re: ipsedixit
            goodhealthgourmet Dec 24, 2010 08:11 PM

            okay, but that still answers the OP's question then - they're not "real" bagels.

            1. re: ipsedixit
              Cathy Dec 24, 2010 11:54 PM

              I had fragels while a student at the University of Michigan, in 1976. Fragels are fried bagels, dipped in cinnamon sugar. http://arborwiki.org/city/Fragel

              Please use a different term for bagels which aren't like the ones from New York.
              Thank you.

              1. re: Cathy
                goodhealthgourmet Dec 25, 2010 09:22 AM

                i vote for "fakels."

                1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                  Cathy Dec 25, 2010 09:35 AM


                  I grew up with Lender's bagels- from the frozen section of the store. My second job was working in a Polish Bakery inDetroit ( I can slice a loaf, carry it to a wax paper sheet, fold that properly and then wrap it with string. Fast.) Anything that is fresh, hot bread tastes good. Even Einstein's.

                  1. re: Cathy
                    ipsedixit Dec 25, 2010 10:48 AM

                    Ok, "fakels" it is.

                    As an aside, day-old fakels make for great bread pudding and french toast, esp. the chocolate chip variety.

                    1. re: Cathy
                      susans Dec 26, 2010 11:01 PM

                      I'd rather have a Lender's bagel than a fakel. Lender's are made the traditional way. In Southern California, good bagels are rare.

                      1. re: susans
                        Cathy Dec 27, 2010 03:54 AM

                        Oh. They are different than any of the fresh bagels I have ever had, so I thought they were wrong...but I've always liked them and always have a stash in my freezer.

                  2. re: Cathy
                    coney with everything Dec 27, 2010 03:48 AM

                    me too, Cathy...fragels are awesome!

                    1. re: coney with everything
                      Cathy Dec 27, 2010 03:56 AM

                      We drive through Ann Arbor on the way back to San Diego, just for a Blimpy Burger and a Fragel. Never been to Zingermans, since it didn't exist when we were students...

                      1. re: Cathy
                        ospreycove Dec 27, 2010 05:09 AM

                        If you think of Bagels being donut like in shape, huge, doughy, no chewiness, and flavored with such things like M&Ms, blueberries, jalapenos with asiago cheese, etc.....Then you are in luck!!!!!!!!

                    2. re: Cathy
                      spinachandchocolate Dec 30, 2010 03:33 PM

                      Too bad those are way gone. The shop closed around 2001-2002 and stayed vacant for a long time. Long live the Bagel factory apts, though!

              2. re: goodhealthgourmet
                mucho gordo Dec 27, 2010 09:53 AM

                You don't have to like them and I'm sure you understand that foods can have different methods of preparation. To say that the method you prefer is the only 'real' way, and the others are fake, smacks of elitism.

                1. re: mucho gordo
                  goodhealthgourmet Dec 27, 2010 02:07 PM

                  ahem. i was responding to the OP's query - she's the one who asked if they were "real" but i don't see you jumping on her about it or calling her an elitist...nor, for that matter, any of the other several people in this thread who echoed my sentiments.

                  and i never said the bagels i prefer are the *only* real ones. i said it "depends what you think a 'real' bagel is." and based on what *i* think a real bagel is, Einstein doesn't cut it.

                  would you call someone an elitist if they said Domino's pizza sucked in comparison to Di Fara's in Brooklyn?

                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                    ipsedixit Dec 27, 2010 05:12 PM

                    would you call someone an elitist if they said Domino's pizza sucked in comparison to Di Fara's in Brooklyn?

                    Well, yes, because y'know Domino's serves only "fazza" ... as in "Fake Pizza" right? :-)

                    1. re: ipsedixit
                      mucho gordo Dec 28, 2010 10:03 AM

                      The point I'm trying to make is that there is no such thing as fake. They are all real; just different versions, recipes or cooking processes that you don't like for whatever reason. Had I said Einstein's were real and the ones you like are fake, I'm sure you would have been quick to tell me about it. Same with the pizza: Different versions, some good some not so good but all are 'real'.

                      1. re: mucho gordo
                        goodhealthgourmet Dec 28, 2010 04:31 PM

                        well, by definition, a bagel is boiled and then baked. Einstein bagels are steamed, not boiled...so if i wanted to be really difficult i could argue that technically Einstein's bagels really aren't bagels ;)

                        anyway, i understand what you're saying, but i still think accusing me of elitism was a bit harsh. and if we're going to get caught up in the semantics of "real," we'll be here all night:

                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                          ospreycove Dec 28, 2010 05:59 PM

                          good, I,think "traditional' is a better fit for people like us , when it comes to bagels!!.....

                          1. re: ospreycove
                            goodhealthgourmet Dec 28, 2010 07:11 PM

                            fair enough, but i still don't see why i'm the one who got called out when i didn't even start it. i'm just sayin'...

                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                              mucho gordo Dec 29, 2010 07:58 AM

                              You're right. I apologize. I put my response to the OP in the wrong place.

                              1. re: mucho gordo
                                goodhealthgourmet Dec 29, 2010 09:00 AM

                                no harm, no foul. like i said, i understood where you were coming from...though i couldn't help but laugh when i saw a new thread last night on the General Topics board entitled "What is REAL sushi?" :)

                                1. re: mucho gordo
                                  susans Dec 31, 2010 10:33 PM

                                  I am the OP and some bready things that are round with a hole in the middle are bagels and others are round rolls with a hole in the middle. Rolls pretending to be bagels. Ipsedixit could not have coined a better term.

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                  biga290 Jan 7, 2011 04:46 PM

                  I moved out to phoenix a year ago from westchester county, ny where i enjoyed lenny's bagels and other classics like h&h when I ventured into the city. the einstein bros. i regularly patronize out here at 20th and camelback may not be made in strict accordance with east coast rules of bagel-making but the finished product is a pretty darn good substitute. It certainly is a lot better than I expected to find when I moved out west.

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