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kgoodman16 Dec 24, 2010 03:17 PM

Growing up in Brookline, around the corner from Golden Temple, I lived on Cantonese style Chinese food. Since moving out of the area I've missed the lobster sauce, egg rolls and other dishes that are unique to the Boston area.

I'd love to find some recipes for dishes prepared "Boston style", since FedEx deliveries from Golden Temple do get expensive. Does anyone know what other Chinese dishes are prepared differently in Boston than else \where in the country, and where on the web I can get some of these local recipes. Thanks

Ken

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  1. Prav Dec 24, 2010 05:15 PM

    Where are you located now?

    I didn't think lobster sauce and eggrolls were unique to (or any different in) Boston, as they are readily available where I came from (MI).

    The only Boston-specific differences I can think of, are in the names - dumplings being called 'Peking Ravioli' and the General being named Gau...

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      scotty27 Dec 25, 2010 05:51 AM

      I agree. I never thought of Boston Chinese as terroir!
      www.shrinkinthekitchen.com

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        Maxinella Dec 25, 2010 08:04 AM

        Actually, the lobster sauce is different in Boston than where I'm from, at least (Long Island). I grew up with a white sauce with egg in it. In Boston, it's brown with meat, or it used to be when I ate meat.

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          jgg13 Dec 26, 2010 10:30 AM

          I thought olobster sauce was peculiar to boston? egg rolls definitely are not.

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            9lives Dec 27, 2010 06:15 PM

            Prav, I know I have a few years on you..:) Peking Ravioli and Gen gau's chicken were introduced to the US in the mid 60s..and Joyce Chen helped popularize them in Boston; but David Keh is generally regarded as the driving force behind these "other" Chinese cuisines besides Cantonese.

            http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/28/nyr...

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              Kenji Dec 28, 2010 10:31 AM

              In some parts of the US (such as CA.), the American name for Peking Ravioli is "potstickers." I've heard that Joyce Chen invented the term "Peking Ravioli" to give English speakers an idea of what they were in for.

            2. barleywino Dec 25, 2010 05:59 AM

              for recipes, try The CHinese Kitchen by Eileen Lo (don't know whether this is available online or not) whom the NYT called the "Cantonese Julia CHild". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eileen_Yin-Fei_Lo If you want to get a bit more adventurous, here's a great little book http://www.amazon.com/Dim-sum-Rhoda-Y...

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                lergnom Dec 25, 2010 01:47 PM

                Having traveled the country, I can say with some experience that the Americanized versions of Chinese food differ only slightly from region to region. One thing that this region misses is what's usually called "Almond Boneless Chicken," which is breaded breast deep fried, sliced and served with a brown sauce. I've seen it in from the rural South to the northern Midwest. There is also a common version of so-called Lemon Chicken - deep fried with a sweet sauce - that isn't done much here. As for lobster sauce, you can find versions from nearly white to dark brown across the country.

                I walked into a carry out place near my mother's house in Florida, asked where they were from - Fuzhou - and when I asked if they had anything from home was told "They don't like that here."

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                  Spike Dec 26, 2010 10:15 AM

                  > when I asked if they had anything from home was told "They don't like that here."

                  LOL. Did you follow that up with "how's your beef and broccoli?" :-)
                  Sadly true of a lot of surburban places here too...another good clue is not to go into a place called "yum mee chinese food" :-)

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                    Prav Dec 26, 2010 10:20 AM

                    Yes! I remember the almond/lemon chicken concoctions. They were always called 'Almond Ding'. I asked a waiter what the 'ding' meant, he quipped that it's Chinese for when the microwave was done cooking it. ;)

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                      scoopG Dec 27, 2010 08:04 AM

                      Good one! Ding 丁 or Ding1 means diced, or cubed.

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                      scoopG Dec 27, 2010 08:06 AM

                      Lemon Chicken is big in the Upper Midwest. Springfield (Missouri) is home to Cashew Chicken. Isn't the Chow Mein Sandwich from New England and/or Boston?

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                        jgg13 Dec 27, 2010 08:19 AM

                        I've always thought of it as more of a fall river thing

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                          MC Slim JB Dec 27, 2010 09:30 AM

                          Chow mein sandwiches originated in Fall River and are (or used to be) available throughout Southeastern MA and RI. I know Emeril, a Fall River native, has waxed nostalgic about them on one his cooking shows (here's his recipe: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/chow-mein-sandwich-recipe/index.html ) They were a pretty common school cafeteria lunch dish once upon a time.

                          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                      peterwanka6 Dec 27, 2010 07:51 AM

                      Was happy to hear WGBH-Daily Dish recipe for Chinese dumplings ( get the recipe at WGBH.org) Sometimes known as "Peking Ravioli", we eat them with relish at Gourmet Dumpling House in Chinatown, but will try this recipe!

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                        sonus Dec 27, 2010 08:26 AM

                        Two things that come to mind are Chicken Fingers and Beef Teriyaki. They seem to be unique to New England, or maybe just the East coast. I couldn't find them at any of the restaurants in San Francisco. I would love to find recipes for these things, but for some reason the only thing I can find is people complaining about how Chicken Fingers are different in Boston and impossible to find elsewhere...

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                          lergnom Dec 28, 2010 09:19 AM

                          The beef dishes are mostly renames of the same thing: slices of beef in a somewhat sweet, salty sauce. It used to be called steak kew and similar names but teriyaki has become more common. Remember that Chinese restaurants, especially the ones you find in strip malls across the USA, get their menus from a handful of places that produce them for this trade. That business has been going on for over 100 years.

                        2. whs Dec 27, 2010 01:44 PM

                          I've noticed that some Chinese restaurants serve dinner rolls with the meal. Is that unique to the GBA?

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                            MC Slim JB Dec 27, 2010 01:54 PM

                            Dinner rolls and butter in American-Chinese restaurants is at least an eastern New England thing, not just a metro Boston thing, and it's usually a good indicator you should get up and leave.

                            http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                              9lives Dec 27, 2010 02:25 PM

                              Years ago, we were offered a choice of fries or rice a Chinese restaurant in Rutland, VT. Rolls and butter included of course.

                              It was the start of a long and enjoyable Chinese home cooking hobby for my bro who lived there..:)

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                                barleywino Dec 27, 2010 03:52 PM

                                did the fries come with ketchup? or duck sauce packets?

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                                  hargau Dec 27, 2010 04:11 PM

                                  When i lived in upstate NY they always gave your the dried chow mein noodles and duck sauce when you sat down, only saw that in NY. I recall someone telling me how they hated the chinese in that area, which i thought was quite good. When i asked them why, they said because the fried rice didn't have peas and carrots in it like they grew up with....

                                  I do think that the dark brown, meaty "lobster" sauce that we have at places like Golden Temple is not very common in other parts of the country. Other areas seem to have what looks more like egg drop soup...

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                                    celestialmundane Dec 27, 2010 04:22 PM

                                    Fried chow mein noodles and duck sauce were a staple in Northern New Jersey, too.

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                                      Albie Dec 27, 2010 04:29 PM

                                      Fried chow mein noodles and duck sauce when you sat down were also common in Connecticut

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                                        brandywiner Dec 27, 2010 06:42 PM

                                        And in Delaware, as well (at least in the 80's).

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                                        9lives Dec 27, 2010 04:44 PM

                                        The fried Chow Mein noodles and "duck sauce" were very common in NYC's Chinatown in the 50s and 60's.

                                        Shrimp w/lobster sauce was always white in NY..brown elsewhere.

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                                      southie_chick Dec 28, 2010 05:49 AM

                                      In my old neighborhood, french fries came with gravy! Can't seem to find those anywhere else but Southie ............ especially popular at 2AM when the bars close!

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                                      Spike Dec 28, 2010 06:02 AM

                                      Fries would be hilarious...as would dinner rolls :-)

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                                      CookieLee Dec 28, 2010 05:16 AM

                                      Braintree 5 Corners back in the '50's & '60's - French bread & butter dipped in duck sauce, spareribs, and chicken wings, and the liquor soaked cherry from my 'rent's Manhattan! Yummy times for a kid! (Whereas my kid grew up dining on Thai, sushi, and calamari!)

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                                        Luther Dec 28, 2010 07:33 AM

                                        My one American Chinese food experience in Portland OR involved dinner rolls, forks, and a lot of mustard to go with my brown fried rice and whatever combo.

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                                        peregrine Dec 28, 2010 08:16 AM

                                        Way back in the 1940-50s in Cleveland, the few Cantonese-Americanized restaurants served bread and butter. I have no idea whether they still do. At the time, there was nowhere else to go.

                                      3. tatsu Dec 27, 2010 03:03 PM

                                        What about the Mussels Gratin at Hei La Moon?

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                                        88 Beach St, Boston, MA 02111

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                                          Luther Dec 28, 2010 07:32 AM

                                          That's HK "western style" food, not the other way around

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                                            Taralli Dec 28, 2010 09:21 AM

                                            Love those at Chau Chow City.

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