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jrabbit2727 Dec 21, 2010 01:57 PM

Our first trip to Scottsdale and I'm trying to source the best places for dinners.

So far I have reservations at:

Cowboy Ciao
Olive and Ivy
Deseo
and we plan to visit Barrio Cafe

Any thoughts on these and/or would you add anything to the list? We only have 4 nights. I'm not a meat eater but my husband is, so we need places that can accomodate both.

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Cowboy Ciao
7133 East Stetson Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

Deseo
6902 E. Greenway Parkway, Scottsdale, AZ 85254

  1. k
    KAYLO Jan 17, 2012 05:48 AM

    Citizen Public House in the same area as Cowboy Ciao and FnB for a more casual but stlll "foodie" and local meal. Atlas Bistro in South Scottsdale for intense flavors...BYOB with a wine store next door, heavy stock of half bottles, but zero social scene. ANd getting meat for your husband is not a problem 'round here. Strongly second FnB (reasonable pricing for the quality and it has much better food than Cowboy CIao) if you can get a booking, as the non-meat person can have a brilliant meal by ordering three or four of the vegetable dishes and starters, which are always more thoroughly conceived and executed than the menu description. "Roasted eggplant" and "grilled corn" don't sound very special, but at FnB, they ARE! Meat eater will be delighted with whatever meat is on offer that night...my meat eater always is.

    1. Dapuma Dec 24, 2010 05:27 AM

      Love Cowboy Ciao

      I would swamp out Olive and Ivy for:

      FnB without hesitation for anything (but if you like lamb and it is still on the menu it is a "moral imperative" - real genius) and as others have said is right next to cowboy ciao

      And if that menu doesnt appeal to you and you want to be near the phoenician:
      Chelsea's Kitchen (like for like trade off with olive and ivy but much better food and better patio) / T Cooks are both great (upscale/fancy)

      I have eaten at J and G a few times and have been underwhelmed, very cool vibe and view from the place, but the food doesnt live up to the tag IMO, however i will have to say i havent had the burger and beer, i am talking about the regular menu

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      Cowboy Ciao
      7133 East Stetson Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

      Chelsea's Kitchen
      5040 N 40th St, Phoenix, AZ 85018

      FnB
      7133 E Stetson Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

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      1. re: Dapuma
        Bill Hunt Dec 24, 2010 06:25 PM

        Have not done JG, but a couple of NYC steak carnivores have given it a "thumbs down," after three visits. That did lower it on my list of "must-dos," so only time will tell.

        Hunt

      2. Bill Hunt Dec 22, 2010 05:38 PM

        Of your choices, I really like Cowboy Ciao (loud, but with great food and wine), and Deseo (very good on the food and wine front). I am less a fan of Olive & Ivy, but maybe that is me.

        Depending on where you are, and if you have an auto, there could be other options.

        Enjoy,

        Hunt

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        Cowboy Ciao
        7133 East Stetson Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

        Deseo
        6902 E. Greenway Parkway, Scottsdale, AZ 85254

        1. Beach Chick Dec 22, 2010 06:26 AM

          J&G steakhouse at the Phoenician for their burger and beer at the bar for $19 is a fave.
          T. Cooks at the Royal Palms resort.
          Lon's at the Hermosa for breakfast/lunch/dinner
          Binkley's in Cave Creek.

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          1. re: Beach Chick
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            au lait Jan 18, 2012 07:46 PM

            OK. I must ask.

            And there have been many other cheerful reports surrounding the wonderful burger and beer deal at J&Gs. And each time I am again nonplused.

            So here it is:When did $19.00 for a burger and a beer become a great bargain?,
            And remember that is before tax and tip so in actuality $26.00,

            1. re: au lait
              Dapuma Jan 18, 2012 07:57 PM

              Never had the burger and beer but the view is pretty spectacular from the bar terrace

              If you are staying at the resort and / or don't want to leave that is probably a good value or the burger is amazing and we don't know what we are missing

              If only the bartenders could make a proper drink and their food wasn't so average and overpriced

              Ill stick with delux and a karmiliet and a view of safeways shopping cart return ;p

              1. re: au lait
                Beach Chick Jan 18, 2012 08:20 PM

                On vacation, staying at the Phoenician, after sun and swimming all day, a fab burger and beer special from Jean George in the bar with that killer view probably makes it better than it really is..
                To have a drink and meal for $19 at the Phoenician is a real bargain..trust me.

            2. k
              kmarg Dec 21, 2010 06:39 PM

              Olive and Ivy is good for lunch, but turns more night club after dark, especially on weekends. Also try Marcellino for Italian in the same area, it's pricey but worth it. The gastropub FnB is also wonderful right next door to Cowboy Ciao (which I enjoy). A couple of blocks south is Eddie's House which has Meditteraean inspired comfort food or Grazie pizza which has craft pizza in a funky winebar setting. All are worth a stop. I don't spend as much time up by Deseo, but Sapporo is great for Japanese food and is on the way.

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              Cowboy Ciao
              7133 East Stetson Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

              Eddie's House
              7042 E Indian School Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

              Deseo
              6902 E. Greenway Parkway, Scottsdale, AZ 85254

              FnB
              7133 E Stetson Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

              Marcellino
              7114 E Stetson Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

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              1. re: kmarg
                j
                jrabbit2727 Dec 22, 2010 06:13 AM

                Of course....location. Sorry about that. We are staying at the Pheonician by Camel Back Mountain.

                Sounds like Olive and Ivy isn't a big draw. So if you had to recommend one other restaurant - which one would you suggest? Maybe something not to far from us.

                1. re: jrabbit2727
                  exit2lef Dec 22, 2010 08:37 AM

                  Thanks for clarifying. Your hotel is actually located within Phoenix city limits, although only a few hundred feet from the Scottsdale border. You'll have ready access to restaurants in Old Town Scottsdale, the Town of Paradise Valley, and the Biltmore and Arcadia neighborhoods of Phoenix.

                  With that in mind, I'd add the following to the recommendations already discussed:

                  Noca, Tarbell's, Elements, & T. Cooks -- all good for somewhat upscale dining with good wine lists

                  Chelsea's Kitchen -- A little more casual with an "American Roadhouse" menu. I'd choose it over Olive and Ivy for pation dining along the banks of the canal.

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                  Chelsea's Kitchen
                  5040 N 40th St, Phoenix, AZ 85018

                  Noca
                  3118 E. Camelback Rd, Phoenix, AZ 85016

                  1. re: jrabbit2727
                    Bill Hunt Dec 22, 2010 05:40 PM

                    From the Phonecian, I would add two locations close-by:

                    T. Cooks at the Royal Palms
                    Vincent's on Camelback

                    Both are unique to the area, and are wonderful. Neither is very far from you.

                    Enjoy,

                    Hunt

                    As the links did not register, here are the URLs:
                    Vincent's: https://www.vincentsoncamelback.com/
                    T.Cook's: http://www.royalpalmshotel.com/restaurant/

                    Another "close-by" restaurant is NOCA: http://www.restaurantnoca.com/
                    Great food and wine, plus service, but about 8 blocks west of you.

                    1. re: Bill Hunt
                      financialdistrictresident Jan 23, 2012 08:27 AM

                      I had some delicious meals at T. Cooks when I used to go to AZ for business.

                      I still remember a dessert wine I had with foie gras and grilled pineapple. I never could have imagined grilled pineapple and foie gras together . . . so good.

                      Love the Royal Palms. Maybe I need to plan a vacation and return . . .

                      1. re: financialdistrictresident
                        Bill Hunt Jan 23, 2012 08:47 PM

                        With that pineapple element, my first guess would be a Sauternes, which can definitely have pineapple in the flavor profile.

                        While I do other dessert wines with foie gras, mention of pineapple narrows things down greatly.

                        Glad that you enjoyed it. T. Cook's has always done it for us, whether an intimate dinner, or a board dinner.

                        Hunt

                        1. re: Bill Hunt
                          financialdistrictresident Jan 24, 2012 01:55 PM

                          Bill Hunt, I think I even posted about the wine on the Wine Board. There were several posts from hounds. I was going to call T. Cooks and report back . . .

                          I managed some client events there. Moved them from ? in Scottsdale to The Royal Palms. I first discovered The Royal Palms from L'Auberge Del Mar.

                          1. re: financialdistrictresident
                            Bill Hunt Jan 24, 2012 07:14 PM

                            There are also several regions, beyond Sauternes, that have a similar profile, like Barzac, that could well work too. Very similar, with some slight differences.

                            Let us know, and glad that T. Cook's came through for you. They have done so for us, on many occasions.

                            Hunt

                        2. re: financialdistrictresident
                          Beach Chick Jan 24, 2012 07:03 AM

                          Royal Palms resort and T. Cooks is one of my fave resorts in PHX.
                          Going in the summer, rates are about $100 a night vs. $700+ in high season.
                          I've had that pineapple dessert wine..it was sublime!
                          It's a dry heat.

                          1. re: Beach Chick
                            Bill Hunt Jan 24, 2012 07:17 PM

                            We locals need to take a greater advantage of such offers.

                            Actually, I love that we stay in Phoenix, during the Summers, as we do get to dine at many venues, that would likely not be available, during the "Season."

                            Enjoy, and thank you for coming,

                            Hunt

                  2. m
                    merrr14 Dec 21, 2010 06:21 PM

                    I agree with that you need to specify where you are in Scottsdale. Kierland and Scottsdale Quarter (across the street from each other) both have tons of great restaurants. At Kierland I would recommend The Green House and the Ocean Club (really expensive though). Across the street Brio is making a lot of talk. Both places have tons of great shopping as well.

                    If you aren't from the west coast, stop by an In-n-Out and get a burger. Also, go to old town scottsdale for breakfast one morning at The Breakfast Club. There is tons of great food in old town as well. Make sure to get some Mexican food along the way too.

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                    The Breakfast Club
                    4400 N Scottsdale Rd, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

                    1. exit2lef Dec 21, 2010 02:24 PM

                      Once again, it's time to ask "Where in Scottsdale?" Do a search of prior threads to understand why this is a critical question.

                      Cowboy Ciao continues into its second decade as a worthwhile destination, but it has been somewhat eclipsed by FnB next door.

                      Olive & Ivy is generally thought to be more of a convenient place to stop while shopping at Scottsdale Fashion Square than a restaurant to seek out for an outstanding meal.

                      No experience with Deseo, and it's been too long since my last visit to Barrio Cafe for me to have a valid opinion.

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                      Cowboy Ciao
                      7133 East Stetson Drive, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

                      Deseo
                      6902 E. Greenway Parkway, Scottsdale, AZ 85254

                      FnB
                      7133 E Stetson Dr, Scottsdale, AZ 85251

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