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cmvan Dec 17, 2010 08:43 AM

After watching a few seasons of "celebrity chefs" judging the contestants - and sometimes a bit overblown with their comments - I'd personally love to see a show where the judges have to be the contestants.

Imagine any one of them - Amanda Freitag, Scott Conant, Marc Murphy, Geoffrey Zakarian, Chris Santos, Jody Williams, and even Aaron Sanchez and Alexandra Guarnaschelli - having to throw together awesome dishes from the worst, most challenging ingredient combinations the show has ever hit contestants with...

Who would judge them? Losers, winners, other tv chefs?

Whaddya think?

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  1. mucho gordo Dec 17, 2010 09:25 AM

    I'd love to see that. Those Chopped judges are downright rude and obnoxious at times.

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      melpy Dec 17, 2010 11:11 AM

      As much as I've liked the episodes I've seen...I can't believe how rude they get sometimes. I guess that's what makes good TV and ratings.

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        Miss Needle Dec 17, 2010 11:17 AM

        I remember reading somewhere that the producers have them sneer and make these awful comments about the food. So I probably wouldn't blame them too much. I used to think Alexandra G was such a bitch until I read that blurb.

        Don't these judges realize that this type of exposure can be construed as negative by the public? I guess any publicity is good.

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          paulj Dec 17, 2010 02:25 PM

          This is heavily edited TV, not reality.

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        jhopp217 Dec 17, 2010 10:56 AM

        As long as Alexandra Gaurnaschelli loses, I'd watch!

        1. paulj Dec 17, 2010 02:30 PM

          How about some of those nice Iron Chef judges who know nothing about food (according to opinions in other threads!), but are impressed by pretty plates?

          1. DiningDiva Dec 17, 2010 02:46 PM

            Great idea, let's pitch it to FoodTV :-)

            I actually think the chef judges would fare pretty well with the ingredients. It's the clock that' the killer. How many of them are actually working a line in their restaurant on a routine basis so their speed and moves are rote and flow like second nature. I'm guessing probably not many.

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            1. re: DiningDiva
              ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 02:48 PM

              Yeah, it really isn't as difficult as it sounds, esp. with all those pantry items. Like you said, the biggest hurdle is the clock.

            2. goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 03:29 PM

              well it's not Chopped, but...
              - Alex Guarnaschelli lost to Cat Cora on ICA
              - Geoffrey Zakarian lost to Morimoto on ICA
              - Amanda Freitag lost to Bobby Flay (by one point) on ICA; and was eliminated 6th on S2 of The Next Iron Chef
              - Aarón Sanchez battled Morimoto on ICA & it ended in a tie; and he was eliminated 6th on S1 of TNIC
              - Marc Murphy lost to Bobby Flay on ICA

              are we seeing a trend here?

              but yes, i agree it would be really interesting to see the judges compete...as long as Zakarian gets bhut jolokia peppers in one of his baskets, and Conant gets black pepper and raw onions in one of his ;)

              i do have to say, though, having eaten Scott Conant's food, IMO he's earned the right to be critical...my recent dinner at Scarpetta was one of the best restaurant meals i've ever had. and he absolutely cooked it himself - the manager gave me a tour of the kitchen, and there was Conant, crouched over the counter tending to all the food.

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              1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                paulj Dec 17, 2010 04:07 PM

                "are we seeing a trend here?" - yes, they did well enough on these 'screen tests' to be invited back to work on this show. You don't have to win every contest to be a good judge, or to perform well on TV. Aaron has been on FN since the Melting Pot days, and was a competitor himself on Chefs v City. Amanda comments on the Cook Channel programs (with nice things to say about the various restaurants and shops they feature).

                Think also about pay scales and other commitments. Do you think FN wants to pay Morimoto to be a regular judge on Chopped (along with the voice over)? Flay has plenty of other FN involvement.

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                  goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 04:48 PM

                  you took my comment much too seriously - obviously i should have followed it with a tongue-in-cheek emoticon.

                  the topic of the OP was about wanting to see the judges compete, and i provided examples of the ones who have competed on other shows in the past...i was just being a wise-ass when i made that comment about seeing a trend. i'm quite aware that success on a TV cooking competition has little to do with one's abilities in the real world, whether as a judge, restaurateur, or chef...and i'm usually one of the first to point out that in threads about Top Chef.

                  i can't speak for anyone else, but i've personally never questioned whether any of these judges belong there - i know about their careers, i've eaten in some of their restaurants (Conant, Sanchez & Murphy), and i respect them all as professionals.

                  i'm also not sure how pay scales & commitments or Flay & Morimoto as Chopped judges have anything to do with my statements...

                  anyway, this isn't all that complicated. the point is simply that given how harsh they can be when judging contestants' food, it would be interesting to see how they would handle being on the other side of things.

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                  jeanmarieok Dec 17, 2010 06:04 PM

                  You beat me to saying Scott would have to serve raw onions....

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                    johnb Jan 16, 2011 07:40 PM

                    Late to the party here, but I'd like to see some fish and some cheese in Conant's basket, preferably Tilapia and Velveeta, along with those onions.

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                  bimmertimmer Dec 17, 2010 04:22 PM

                  Brilliant. I would pay big bucks to see how smug they stay when opening that basket of chitlins, anchovies and prunes.

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                    tldmatrix Dec 17, 2010 04:42 PM

                    Would be great. The chefs would not fair as well as you think. There is no time in chopped to show off your style.
                    http://teenchefteddy.blogspot.com/

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                      smartie Dec 17, 2010 04:54 PM

                      would also love to see Kieren Gerhardt, Kerry Vincent and the other guy who judges those cake Challenge shows make a cake in 6-8 hours and judged for technical merit, artistic value etc. They can also be rude and overcritical.

                      1. iL Divo Dec 17, 2010 05:13 PM

                        I'd watch it just to be able to view GZ. He's very attractive. I didn't say his personality, just his appearance. SC is very cute too. Oh now about the flipping of Chopped, yep, I'd watch.

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                          goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 06:59 PM

                          if you think SC is cute on TV, you should see him in person, cooking in the kitchen of his restaurant wearing a black chef's coat and bandanna...i swear i got a little weak in the knees :)

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                            DiningDiva Dec 17, 2010 07:19 PM

                            HeeHeeHee. Kinda like the time in Oaxaca when I saw a VERY buff Rick Bayless without his shirt on :-D

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                              goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 07:36 PM

                              ha! i'm sure the effect was compounded by the fact that he had just cooked me a *fantastic* meal. pretty faces are a dime a dozen - particularly in this town - they have little impact on me. but make me swoon with your food *and* look hot while doing it, and then you've really got me ;)

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                                mamachef Dec 19, 2010 05:21 AM

                                Ghg, there's truly nothing in the world that makes a man look better than when he's clearly in his element, sweatin' over a hot stove. And I mean that. But it doesn't translate to me, unfortunately. When I'm in my element sweatin' over a stove, I look just EXACTLY like me, only sweaty. And I can't remove my shirt. And I look silly in bandanas, so I wear a metallic-thread striped skullcap, or a scarf printed with whisks and spoons.

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                                  goodhealthgourmet Dec 19, 2010 08:50 AM

                                  but i have to believe that even though *we* think we're just a mess, there's something about it that appeals to at least some men. it's like at the gym - i'm always amazed when guys hit on me there because there's nothing pretty about how sweaty i get...but they do!

                                  speaking of what you wear in the kitchen, did you ever see the old thread about that? fun stuff:
                                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/578607

                                  oh, and there was something about SC wearing black as opposed to white in the kitchen that really added to the appeal.

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                                    mamachef Dec 21, 2010 08:02 AM

                                    Ahahahahaha! I love this thread, so I revived it! "bout time, ya think?

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                                      mamachef Dec 21, 2010 08:15 AM

                                      Yeah, you've hit the nail on the head. The last line I expedited was, down to a man, totally flirtatious. But I found out later that they called me the "redheaded terror." Which I kinda get. When you have to stand on a milk crate to reach the mise, you have to make it up with meanness.

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                                        goodhealthgourmet Feb 7, 2011 07:46 PM

                                        When you have to stand on a milk crate to reach the mise, you have to make it up with meanness.
                                        ~~~~~~~~~~
                                        LOL! i can't believe i didn't see that before. i know what you mean though - back in my personal training days i had to be the hard-core ass-kicker to win over male skeptics...one of them dubbed me "Helga the Dominatrix." :)

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                            Dave Feldman Dec 18, 2010 08:32 PM

                            In the early days of the Food Network, pros did compete on a weekly basis on Ready Set Cook, which also involved the cooks working with a basket of surprise, seemingly incompatible ingredients. In the mid-to-late 1990s, it was one of the most popular competitive shows on FN.

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                              goodhealthgourmet Dec 19, 2010 08:55 AM

                              i remember that show - red tomatoes vs green peppers, right? IIRC, Sissy Biggers was the host, and i thought she was rather annoying, but i loved the premise.

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                                Dave Feldman Dec 19, 2010 09:14 PM

                                I thought the best host was the first one, Robin Young. I have no idea why she was replaced by Sissy. Later in the run, Sissy was replaced by Ainsley Harriott. The Alpha-Dog, Jim Leff and I were judges on an episode.

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                                coney with everything Dec 20, 2010 08:15 AM

                                Loved RSC. I wish they'd bring it back.

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                                  scubadoo97 Feb 11, 2011 02:47 PM

                                  My wife sometimes refers to my cooking as RSC. Look in the fridge pull out some ingredients and put together a nice meal with what ever was available.

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                                Parrotgal Jan 18, 2011 09:27 AM

                                I (rather embarrassingly) enjoy the show but sometimes hate the judges. Some of them seem nice and fair, but some of them (SC and GZ especially) seem completely unrealistic in what they expect and nasty in their comments. Can't remember which one it was who didn't like onions and counted that against one of the contestants. Um, if you don't like onions, how can you really judge a contest?

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                                  DiningDiva Jan 18, 2011 11:53 AM

                                  It's Scott Conant that doesn't like onions, and I believe its "raw" onions he doesn't like. And, yeah,he dings them pretty bad on the raw onion thing. I've often thought it was a little unfair too.

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                                    mucho gordo Jan 18, 2011 12:26 PM

                                    To be fair, the judges ought to make it clear beforehand what foods they won't eat or are allergic to.

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                                      DiningDiva Jan 18, 2011 01:10 PM

                                      But you know, if you're thinking about being the show, you've probably watched it more than once or twice. If you've seen SC judge you should know he's got 2 hot buttons, raw onions and poorly cooked pasta.

                                      What we don't know is what kind of information the contestants are given when they're accepted to compete, or when they actually arrive to tape the show. I would hope they would be told of any allergies or food intolerances. Basically, I think they like the "SC hates raw onions" thing and know that at least 1 cheftestant will probably fall into that abyss.

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                                        mucho gordo Jan 18, 2011 02:55 PM

                                        If the chefs were smart, they would ask the judges beforehand if they had any allergies or dislikes.

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                                          DiningDiva Jan 18, 2011 03:11 PM

                                          Not a bad idea, but I wonder if they even have that opportunity.

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                                            mucho gordo Jan 18, 2011 03:37 PM

                                            All they have to do is open their mouths before they open their baskets.

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                                            paulj Jan 18, 2011 03:22 PM

                                            If the contestants were smart they would watch some past episodes to see how the judging goes.

                                            We have no idea whether the contestants can speak to the judges before hand; I doubt it. While personal preferences can come into play, the serious criticisms have to do failing to meet 'industry wide' standards. A hygiene fault can be particularly fatal (e.g. cutting tortillas on the raw meat board). Under cooked or overcooked food, especially meat. They also criticize things which an average diner might dislike.

                                            SC has a particular dislike for the sharpness of raw onions; so do some diners. Rick Bayless often recommends rinsing raw onions to temper the sharpness, even in Mexican dishes which commonly use them.

                                            My impression is that the judging is, overall, fair. Sure there are close calls and debatable points, but I don't think we should feel sorry for contestants who get chopped.

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                                              mucho gordo Jan 18, 2011 03:44 PM

                                              I think it is incumbent upon the judges (patrons) to make their special preferences known so there can be no accidents. If the judge sees the chef preparing to use onion then he should say something. Judges are aware of 'industry wide standards'.

                                          3. re: DiningDiva
                                            goodhealthgourmet Mar 12, 2011 10:04 PM

                                            What we don't know is what kind of information the contestants are given when they're accepted to compete, or when they actually arrive to tape the show. I would hope they would be told of any allergies or food intolerances.
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                                            the chefs don't get any info about the ingredients beforehand, and there have been a couple of instances where a chef was allergic to one of the ingredients...but the reaction never progressed beyond swelling or redness in their hands from contact with the ingredient.

                                            i imagine that if any contestant has a potentially life-threatening allergy they notify the producers in advance and confirm that they won't have to work with that ingredient.

                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                              paulj Mar 12, 2011 10:23 PM

                                              It would be difficult to be a professional cook if you had a serious allergy to any common cooking ingredient.

                                    2. mamachef Feb 8, 2011 01:11 AM

                                      I do believe I saw an advertisement for just exactly this, airing 6 March this year. And none of the judges/contestants looked very happy in it.

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                                      1. re: mamachef
                                        paulj Feb 8, 2011 08:04 AM

                                        The name of the program is called 'chopped', not 'party time in the kitchen'! It's not surprising that a small selection of scenes from a heavily edited show would omit the smiles and hugs.

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                                          mamachef Feb 9, 2011 05:38 AM

                                          Why whatever do you mean, paulj? Are you trying to tell me that "Chopped" isn't filmed in realtime? Are you saying that each episode, start-to-finish, doesn't represent the entire time they filmed? Heavily EDITED?
                                          Hah, my faith in mankind has just been shattered.
                                          ROFLMAO : )
                                          Paulj, I know it's edited for content and television q points. It probably wouldn't be much fun to watch if nobody had any problems, if there weren't personality quirks, etc. I was just sayin', what I saw was 4 VERY sweaty, discombobulated chefs; it wasn't about the editing.

                                        2. re: mamachef
                                          goodhealthgourmet Feb 8, 2011 08:53 AM

                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/763869

                                          :)

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