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Not sure how many follow the series, but the Season 7 lineup was announced and Bourdain will be taping an episode in Boston. Here is the S7 lineup if interested (http://anthonybourdain.tumblr.com/pos...

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So where should he go while in town? I would think Cambodian in Lowell, Cape Verdean, Portuguese, Brazilian, Speed's Dog should all be under consideration and up his alley. Fine dining wise, Craigie, Clio, O Ya?

Excited to see where he ends up in town.

  1. Bourdain and a Speed's dog are so appropriate for each other. ;)

    1. Given that he will be taping in Brazil for the same season, Boston isn't going to have the quality, variety, or oddities that he could encounter in Brazil. For Portuguese Fall River and New Bedford would be a better match (especially since he has spent some time in the Ironbound district of Newark and Greater Boston pales to that).

      1. I'm thinking he needs to try the Portuguese man o' war sub from The Snack Bar in East Cambridge.

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        1. re: hiddenboston

          I was thinking wood grilled barnacles and pork belly in New Bedford, but it will be the wrong time of year for the former... The bar at Portugalia sometimes has interesting specials (cod cheeks for instance) and he can order a bifana (the basis for the man o' war) there, as well as their full menu (including a seafood feijoada, etc).

        2. He did a brief Azorean-American bit in Fall River before he went to the Azores. If true to form, he would avoid anything considered "the best of", the typical famous things.

          I think the fact that you can get better Portuguese-tradition foods elsewhere is not a good reason to avoid them. The fact that Boston has good ones is unusual for the States, little-known, and they do great things with the local seafood. A good choice.

          I might want to show off our diversity in traditional cuisines from all over. Maybe Baraka Cafe, Angela's Cafe, Brookline Family, Rincon Limeno, S&I Thai, Peach Farm, Kebab Factory, Neptune Oyster.

          For fine dining, one of our solid chef-owned places, maybe Rendezvous, Erbaluce, Coppa, Bergamot, that ilk; and mid-range, one of our bars with good food like Highland Kitchen or The Franklin, places where locals dine on weeknights.

          I'd get him a craft cocktail at Green Street or Eastern Standard, and a beer at some unpretentious hang like Wally's or J.J. Foley's Cafe or Doyle's (though the latter is a bit cliche). Keep him out of our top tier, where there isn't anything extraordinary enough to impress.

          On the other hand, maybe I don't want to recommend any of these places. As Bourdain himself has noted, his show's attention can ruin a place for the locals who love it (see what Guy "Poochie" Fieri hath wrought at Rino's Place), though it's good for the business.

          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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          Peach Farm
          4 Tyler St, Boston, MA 02111

          Neptune Oyster
          63 Salem St Ste 1, Boston, MA 02113

          Baraka Cafe
          80 Pearl St, Cambridge, MA 02139

          Brookline Family Restaurant
          305 Washington St, Brookline, MA 02445

          Rincon Limeno
          409 Chelsea St, Boston, MA 02128

          Eastern Standard
          528 Commonwealth Avenue, Boston, MA 02215

          The Kebab Factory
          414 Washington St, Somerville, MA 02143

          Highland Kitchen
          150 Highland Ave, Somerville, MA 02143

          J.J. Foley's
          117 E Berkeley St, Boston, MA 02118

          S&I To Go
          168A Brighton Ave, Allston, MA 02134

          Erbaluce
          69 Church Street, Boston, MA 02116

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          1. re: MC Slim JB

            boston is known for its seafood; if i were doing a show, i would hit places like Neptune , summer shack, perhaps a chinese fish-in-the tank place

            1. re: MC Slim JB

              MC Slim JB Portugalia is the Boston Portuguese restaurant which serves the most seafood, but I would venture that the Druid serves as much local seafood than them (imported salt cod, imported shrimp). Likewise Abbondanza may serve as much local seafood as Muqueca. So I think you overstate the "specialty" in "local seafood." But I simply said for Portugese there is more variety on the South Coast (and its not just Fall River or Azorean, New Bedford has interesting and unusual food which Fall River doesn't have, there is also Taunton and Somerset).

              We have a wealth of inexpensive Brazilian churrascarias, offering rodizios and fixed price plates for less than in Brazil. While they offer dishes from Minas Gerais on their buffets, sometimes the execution is poor. Even in a small town in Brazil, you can find a more interesting churrascaria (whether it serves different meats such as boar ribs, or slow roasts whole beef ribs).

              If its local seafood, Courthouse seafood would be the most interesting and although Portuguese it doesn't specifically offer portuguese dishes. What I think is unusual is you can go into the fish market, pick a fish and they will cook it in the restaurant for $1/lb more. They also offer fried smelts a la carte, plus smelts often mackerel and other bone in fish in the market replentished regularly. The smelts being a New England thing, even though they are likely from Canada.

              For Brazilian food Muqueca is unique by offering moquecas cooked in a clay pot -- actually the Torta Capixaba they offer is more unusual than the moquecas, but they are inconsistent and I expect that no program on Brazil would fail to cover a moqueca made with freshly caught fish and they are better in Brazil than East Cambridge. The less common Brazilian items we have tend not to get noticed. A caldo de mocoto from either Tropical Cafe in Marlborough or Petisco's in Somerville, with some salgadinhos, and maybe a house-made doce (such as green papaya) if Petisco's. A restaurant (mainha in Avon) which offers acaraje on a regular basis (as well as their own moqueca) is also unusual in the US, but will it compare to one served on the street in Brazil with fresh pepper sauce?

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              Muqueca
              1010 Cambridge St, Cambridge, MA 02139

              1. re: itaunas

                itaunas, what are some interesting restaurants in Somerset? I may be doing a food trip to the South Coast this winter, and never considered going there--was mostly thinking of Fall River, New Bedford, and East Providence (if there's time).

                1. re: hiddenboston

                  hiddenboston I was typing somewhat stream of conciousness and with Somerset was sort of thinking of the Portugese dispora in the area: wood ovens in people's backyards, festivals. And certainly the Fall River North End (President Ave, etc) headed to Somerset has several good Portuguese restaurants, but I don't know of any in Somerset proper. If you want a restaurant outside of the main cities, you could try Primavera in Tiverton (there also is Barcellos there which I don't know much about and in the summer Evelyn's). Dartmouth and Fairhaven have options too, but you are so close to New Bedford then. I do think that Bourdain would do best taping a show in the summer...

                  1. re: itaunas

                    Primavera looks good, thanks!

              2. re: MC Slim JB

                Please don't get a cannoli Tony! I think it's a mistake to come here in the dead of winter. Our produce isn't bad and we have a lot of farms actually. Wally's Cafe I could see him digging. Maybe he'll get here and he'll be like, "So, where this place The Rat?" Maybe he could meet up with Aerosmith at The Middle East, ha ha.

                I think we should ALL be on the show! WE could take him on a trip to remember! And THEY can pay the bills! Ha ha.

                Here's my votes:
                Hell Night/Seafood at East Coast Grill, Island Creek Oyster, Towne and O Ya
                Bakery Classes at Hi-Rise and Clear Flour
                Gastropubbing at the place MC suggested or maybe Woodward where he could stay
                Street Eats at Speed's, Chacarero
                Chinese at Taiwan Cafe, Hei La Moon, Sichuan Gourmet
                Latin/Central American at Tu y Yo, various Eastie locales
                "Localvore" small chef-owned high-end dining like Oleanna, Bondir, others I'm missing

                I don't think our Indian is strong enough to show off, I rather show him Turkish like Istanbul Cafe for lunch or Tangierino at night. (I could totally see him smoking sheesha with the owner.)

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                Hei La Moon
                88 Beach St, Boston, MA 02111

                O Ya
                9 East Street, Boston, MA 02111

                East Coast Grill and Raw Bar
                1271 Cambridge St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                Tangierino
                73 Main Street, Charlestown, MA 02129

                Middle East Restaurant
                472 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139

                Island Creek Oysters
                296 Parks St, Duxbury, MA 02332

                Chacarero
                101 Arch St, Boston, MA 02110

                Sichuan Gourmet
                1004 Beacon St, Brookline, MA 02446

                Bondir
                279 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

                1. re: tatsu

                  You know he could actually visit the Rat......Just stop by Eastern Standard. Garrett's office is where the old stage used to be and I'm sure there may even be some folks still hangin in the neighborhood who could tell a few tales

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                  Eastern Standard
                  528 Commonwealth Avenue, Boston, MA 02215

                  1. re: jeff Turton

                    and if he wanted to visit the bar from the old Rat he can go to Keon's in Haverhill.

                  2. re: tatsu

                    Hell Night at ECG is a good call, except that Man vs. Food has already done it. Chacarero is a must! High end...Menton or O Ya.

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                    O Ya
                    9 East Street, Boston, MA 02111

                    Chacarero
                    101 Arch St, Boston, MA 02110

                    1. re: hungrygale

                      I missed that! Well there it is, ECG is off the list! As is a Greenlaw lobster excursion.

                      1. re: hungrygale

                        Isn't it incredibly difficult to score tickets to Hell Night? Although, I guess if you're Tony Bourdain, they'll make it happen...

                      1. re: MC Slim JB

                        Just a quick reply...if you know the show you know he worked in P town as a young chef and likes Portuguese as a result of his experience there. Also he previously swore he would never do a "Ye Olde" type restaurant in Boston...just a head's up. Agree with the Speeds guess as he loves any "meat in tube form" per the show. Kind of at a loss as I think its hard to define what's really Boston without going ethnic or um....... Legal?

                        1. re: MC Slim JB

                          ......... see what Guy "Poochie" Fieri hath wrought at Rino's Place ......... gee, I wonder where "Spike" got the idea about going to Rino's MC! ; ) I'll just have to wait 'till spring - hopefully the lines will die down by then (3 1/2 hour wait on Saturday at 5:30PM - no thanks!). May need to organize a "chowdown" to get 5 others to go with me so I can get a rezzie if I can't wait that long tho.
                          Was gonna suggest Angela's but it's a catch 22 - you want a place to get more business but not so much that you can't get in any more, so you kinda want to recommed places that could use the "help" the Bourdain publicity will bring. Maybe Scup's would be good if he comes in the winter 'cause I'm not sure what they get for business then.
                          Speeds is a great idea - wonder if the Jersey Street location will be open by then so Bourdain can get that location packed while keeping the Newmarket one "untouched".

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                          Rino's Place
                          258 Saratoga Street, Boston, MA 02128

                          1. re: southie_chick

                            Angela's would be great! Get those folks through the tunnel!

                        2. Phien's Kitchen in Lowell (for papaya salad), Craigie (he would particularly love this), Drink, Oleana or Sofra, O Ya, Neptune, Fuloon, Shangri-La.

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                          Shangri-La
                          149 Belmont St, Belmont, MA 02478

                          O Ya
                          9 East Street, Boston, MA 02111

                          Sofra
                          1 Belmont St, Cambridge, MA 02138

                          Oleana
                          134 Hampshire St., Cambridge, MA 02139

                          Phien's Kitchen
                          586 Westford St, Lowell, MA 01851

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                          1. re: DoubleMan

                            Have to disagree with the Drink idea. While it's a good place to get a cocktail it is not ground-breaking in any regard or that terribly interesting tv-wise.

                            1. re: mats77

                              I agree, drink is a bore, Sofra, and Olean, nice but nothing really noteworthy, O Ya, likewise not really world class and too fru fru for Bourdain. Rincon Limeno, Cambodian food, heck hit Vinny's at night for a real Boston experience.

                              Or Yoma for Burmese, or Neptune, or East Coast Grill...

                              1. re: StriperGuy

                                Drink is unique bar experience, I think. And having the best bartender lineup in the country (excluding Erik and Murray at Zig Zag - but that's a very small team) makes it pretty special. John Gertsen could make a blue blazers or a beer flip - that would make good tv.

                                SG, with all due respect, I think you are absolutely wrong about Sofra and Oleana. The flavors and quality of execution are really hard to find.

                                Grant Achatz seems to agree.
                                http://twitter.com/Gachatz/status/271...

                                And O Ya is right up Bourdain's alley, I think. I don't know what you mean about "too fru fru" considering that he basically had a continuous orgasm the time he did a show at the French Laundry and loved similarly precious restaurants all over the world.

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                                O Ya
                                9 East Street, Boston, MA 02111

                                Sofra
                                1 Belmont St, Cambridge, MA 02138

                                Oleana
                                134 Hampshire St., Cambridge, MA 02139

                                1. re: DoubleMan

                                  While Drink may be unique to Boston that concept is not in other metropolitan areas. If the show must do a segment on cocktails I would rather them profile Deep Ellum, Green St. or Silvertone. Barbara Lynch is not starving for publicity.

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                                  Silvertone
                                  69 Bromfield St, Boston, MA 02108

                                  Deep Ellum Bar
                                  477 Cambridge St, Allston, MA 02134

                                  1. re: DoubleMan

                                    I'm just not a huge Drink fan. Best bartenders in the country... whew.

                                    The couple of times I've been they just did not seem to be particularly into the "make you a novel drink on the spot thing," and as a pretty decent amateur mixologist myself, I find the concept a bit contrived.

                                    It is just plain silly to even pretend to make every single person who walks in the door their own personal drink.

                                    With regards to O Ya, okay maybe.

                                    I have known Ana Sortun since 1989. At times I LOVE her food. I ate at Oleana about 6 weeks ago. Food was good, but nothing mind blowing. Her signature dish, the short rib with eggplant was downright disappointing. No one, of four of us, really raved... The meal was a bit of a dud honestly. And for a place with a presumed national reputation that is just not acceptable.

                                    With regard to kowtowing to tweets from Grant Achatz and other glitterati of the chowisphere; that's really just not my bag, but knock yourself out with that...

                                    1. re: StriperGuy

                                      Feel the same way about Sofra-- big disappointment. And given the talent, local-sourcing, and the general former excellence of Oleana, this shouldn't be the case.

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                                      Sofra
                                      1 Belmont St, Cambridge, MA 02138

                                      Oleana
                                      134 Hampshire St., Cambridge, MA 02139

                                    2. re: DoubleMan

                                      grant achatz probably got a better meal than i did when i ate at oleana. i have had much better middle east food in nyc and chicago

                              2. Definitely Speeds. Definitely, definitely Speeds. Also, some place for clams.

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                                1. re: mathteacher

                                  For clams, Bourdain should definitely come down to the Haymarket on a Friday around 11 a.m. and stand in the cold street eating the fresh-shucked cherrystones from the fish guy down there. Actually, the sun shines right down through the building with Bell in Hand onto the clam stand at that hour.

                                  Half dozen for $5, they are fresh, hugely plump, the shucker doesn't mess them up, nice clean work, throw on some lemon, a little tabasco or their balsamicy jalapeno sauce and you're good to go. They are friggin awesome. My boss puts me to shame though - he throws down about 18-24 in about 10 minutes flat - he and Bourdain would actually get along quite well.

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                                  Haymarket
                                  Blackstone St, Boston, MA

                                  1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                    Clams for an appetizer and pizza at Haymkt, Umberto or Regina is a fairly regular lunch routine for me...quintessential Boston experience. Probably tomorrow.

                                  2. re: mathteacher

                                    If he doesn't do North Shore clam shacks, he's a chump. But the timing will have to be right.

                                    I'd like to see him hunkered over a huge plate of ceviche at Rincon Limeno, or scarfing up some foodz at YoMa in Allston. And yes, a Speed's dog is a must.

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                                    Rincon Limeno
                                    409 Chelsea St, Boston, MA 02128

                                  3. I have to vote that he go to the East Coast... I have never been let down in my 7 years of going there.

                                    But I think anthony would really like a little bit of Allston village. I mean Allston is right up his ally... first it used to be punk rock, secondly there is authentic ethnic food from all over the world thirdly plenty of dive bars and he can finish the night at Deep Ellum which has bar none the best old fashioned cocktails in town.

                                    PS- I hope he doesn't go to S&I Thai, enough people have already caught on to that place.

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                                    Deep Ellum Bar
                                    477 Cambridge St, Allston, MA 02134

                                    S&I To Go
                                    168A Brighton Ave, Allston, MA 02134

                                    East Coast Restaurant
                                    1456 Dorchester Ave, Dorchester, MA 02122

                                    1. Why would Bourdain come to Boston to eat Portuguese, Cambodian or Brazilian? If he wanted that he would just go back to those countries.

                                      IMHO he should try what Boston is known for, fish, lobster, clams, scallops etc...

                                      For local street eats he can try Kelley's (Revere Beach location), Speed's, cherrystones @ Haymarket, and a sausage cart at 2 AM after drinking all night.

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                                      Haymarket
                                      Blackstone St, Boston, MA

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                                      1. re: NorthShoreFoodie

                                        Well it didnt stop him from doing Viet and Peruvian in DC; Indian in Vancouver; Thai in LA, etc...I agree on the Seafood though, but one ethnic cuisine will undoubtedly be included. I would put money on him working Portuguese into the episode based on comments he has made in the past about eating in Boston/Mass.

                                        1. re: NorthShoreFoodie

                                          he didn't like the food in cambodia. maybe he'd like the cambodian food in lowell better

                                        2. I'd vote for East Coast Grill, Neptune Oyster, The Middle East. I'd opt for Speed's only if Speed was there. I could also see him at Jacob Wirths thoroughly hating singalong night. They have to get an establishing shot of him on a Swan Boat!

                                          It will be interesting where they choose. Maybe someone here will be his local escort! Or they could get eternal bar rat and music scene man Peter Wolf!

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                                          Neptune Oyster
                                          63 Salem St Ste 1, Boston, MA 02113

                                          East Coast Grill and Raw Bar
                                          1271 Cambridge St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                          Jacob Wirth Restaurant
                                          31 Stuart St, Boston, MA 02116

                                          Middle East Restaurant
                                          472 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139

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                                          1. re: Bellachefa

                                            Oh and I like the idea of Island Creek - he could do a sidetrip to the farm in Duxbury and then go to Fenway for some chow.

                                            1. re: Bellachefa

                                              Yes...Island Creek. Great call. Where in Fenway...the park or the neighborhood? Either way, not sure what he'll find, except maybe the Sausage Guy...which he may like.

                                          2. I don't quite understand the recommendations to send Tony to the Middle East. Yes, it's a local music staple. But seriously, the food is consistently lousy.

                                            I think he should make a stop in Chinatown for Banh Mi at one of the several excellent places mentioned in the recent thread. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/652318

                                            Then maybe pair up with a local "celeb chef" as he's done in other cities for the upscale segement. So many good choices there...Clio, O Ya, Menton, L'Espalier... Or maybe an up and comer - I love the Bondir recommendation!

                                            I would love to see him venture out of the city, to Lowell or Worcester for a trip to one of the classic dining cars in either of those cities. Or in Worcester, Wonderbar for pizza or Lowell, a great Cambodian spot.

                                            When he was in Lowell in January, I believe he had food backstage from La Boniche, and really appreciated the hospitality he was shown. I wouldn't be surprised if he headed back there. He could do a whole Kerouac thing - or check out the music scene there.

                                            I hope he avoids anything "Ye Olde" or, dare I say it, red-sauce Italian in the North End. Both are far too touristy and obvious.

                                            Looking forward to the visit, Tony!

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                                            L'Espalier
                                            774 Boylston St, Boston, MA 02199

                                            O Ya
                                            9 East Street, Boston, MA 02111

                                            Middle East Restaurant
                                            472 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                            Menton
                                            354 Congress St, Boston, MA 02210

                                            Bondir
                                            279 Broadway, Cambridge, MA 02139

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                                            1. re: Eatin in Woostah

                                              I agreed Middleast not for the chow but for the music, and he is into music and drinking.

                                              I also thought he would be looking for The Rat so maybe if Speed wasn't available to cook the real Speed dog, he might go to that joint somewhere down the dregs of the basement of The Rat. The Lower Depths - great beer and dogs and pregame neighborhood feel!

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                                              Lower Depths
                                              476 Commonwealth Ave Ste 1, Boston, MA 02215

                                              1. re: Eatin in Woostah

                                                Totally agree on him visiting Lowell for the drinking and music.

                                              2. Funny that Bourdain, who has such a low opinion of Boston restaurants is doing a show here. He expressed his views in a Globe article a few years back when he commented on pricey restaurants in Boston: "I think they're charging high prices because they can – serving food to people who are grateful to have what they consider big city food," says Anthony Bourdain, the author, commentator, and chef-owner of several Brasserie Les Halles restaurants in New York, Miami, and Washington, D.C. "I think what's going on in Boston is a classic example of chefs working in a place that's not yet a national restaurant city, not by a stretch. It's a period of insecurity. And I can really understand why the chefs are charging so much: If prices come down, they lose their mystique as chefs. They're reluctant to abandon their pomposity, expense, and pretense."

                                                I'd send him to Iggy's, Hi-Rise, Galleria Umberto, Ginger Park, CK's, and Craigie.

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                                                1. re: scotty27

                                                  That quote is weird, because it's from 2007, but I found another quote from '06 in which he said he hadn't been to Boston in so long he wouldn't have any idea where to eat. So I'm guessing that quote is based on very old data.

                                                  Also, Ginger Park is closed.

                                                  1. re: robwat36

                                                    I know Tony pretty well. Shared editors.
                                                    Me? I'd send him to what we do best: Legal.
                                                    Ambience? Jeez, that's not easy. The food here is pretty awful. Bistro du Midi & Craigie nail it! www.shrinkinthekitchen.com

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                                                    Bistro du Midi
                                                    272 Boylston Street, Boston, MA 02116

                                                    1. re: scotty27

                                                      legal's is what we do best?

                                                      i'm sorry, have you actually eaten at neptune or island creek?

                                                      1. re: scotty27

                                                        Legal has two big strikes against it for Bourdain: first, it fits the classic cliche "majority of people say it's The Best", second, it's a big chain.

                                                        I'm with the minority (off this board, let's say) that thinks we have many superior seafood options over Legal. There was a day when it was among the top options, but that was some years ago.

                                                        One of the reasons I suggested Neptune earlier (beyond it being my favorite non-Asian seafood restaurant in town) is that it suits the show much better: it's small, it's in a scenic neighborhood but avoids the cliched notion of the neighborhood, and it doesn't look like Ye Olde Clamme Shack. Plus the owner's kind of surly to a lot of his customers, which could make for some good TV. Toss in good seafood-friendly wines, and the fact that it's kind of a chef's haunt.

                                                        http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                    2. re: scotty27

                                                      Hah, his take on the Boston high end is still pretty accurate for the most part in my book.

                                                      1. re: StriperGuy

                                                        yeah, totally. also, I would *expect* a fair bit of vitriol from Bourdain when it comes to Boston. I'm actually quite looking forward to that...

                                                        1. re: passing thru

                                                          If Boston wasn't saddled with yankee cliches perhaps it would get more respect in food like Chicago does. Boston has to be in the top 5 or 6 cities, for diversity alone. It definitely top 3-4 on the eastern side of the US. Boston has a fair number of celebrity chefs (Todd English *cough*)that one might react negatively towards, of which Bourdain is one himself, so it's kind of hypocritical for him to say that.

                                                          Anyway, I'd forgive him for that, and let him pick up the tab when we show him around.

                                                          All this talk about Neptune has got me thinking though, there is room for another high-quality seafood place that's a little larger. It's too bad someone doesn't buy Union Oyster and just completely redo it.

                                                          1. re: tatsu

                                                            I think there's room for a lot more high-quality seafood places. We have the product and I think we have the talent. I wasn't around for Jasper's, but from what I understand, it was a high-end seafood-focused fine dining. I'd much rather see something like that than another freaking steakhouse here. Le Bernardin Jr., perhaps.

                                                            1. re: DoubleMan

                                                              Hmm apparently Irish people never ate fish, even during like, the potato famine, so maybe that held back the seafood scene a bit.

                                                              I eat a lot of fish so I'd love a Le Bernardin lite. Eric Ripert was on NPR recently, interesting interview. He's Buddhist! Jasper never did step it up after Jasper's. I like Summer Shack, but the ambience always felt confused. Of course he's at Towne now, but it feels more like Lydia's show.

                                                              I think there isn't a lot of high-end seafood now because people are kind of frugal around here. Seafood is expensive. I bet if Neptune didn't sell oysters, they wouldn't survive. Legal survives on volume and a mystique surrounding their quality control. (Which is B.S. IMO.)

                                                              But to me East Coast Grill is the best "legacy" seafood place Boston has. It's even on the same block where Legal started. So that's why I recommended it.

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                                                              East Coast Grill and Raw Bar
                                                              1271 Cambridge St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                              Summer Shack
                                                              310 Northern Ave, Boston, MA 02210

                                                              1. re: tatsu

                                                                BTW, can I lobby for a food show with Bourdain and Ripert TOGETHER? I thought they had a great chemistry when together on Top Chef - Ripert's Abbott to Bourdain's Costello...or something like that...

                                                                1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                  Ripert is a regular guest on Bourdain's show, has been for years. One of my favorite recurring characters, actually. A very useful guest to have on the recentish "New Paris" episode.

                                                                  http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                2. re: tatsu

                                                                  "Legal survives on volume and a mystique surrounding their quality control. (Which is B.S. IMO.)"

                                                                  That's funny,
                                                                  A friend of mine was a former employee of Legal's and of all the horror stories I've heard (and there were plenty), the one thing he said positive of the experience was that the QC was for real--not hype nor false. This is a guy who really didn't have a good experience working there (that's putting it lightly); he held no punches when recounting what he didn't like about the place, but still he vouched for their quality control practices.

                                                                  I always thought that was the one thing they consistently did right and brought people back.

                                                                  Still, I don't want to see Bourdain feature Legal's...I like the idea of Neptune, maybe Santarpios, but DEFINITELY the lesser-known ethnic places mentioned in this thread.

                                                                  1. re: Ralphie_in_Boston

                                                                    I will restate that their Q.C. accounts for marketing and messaging, which is B.S. It's like saying other competitors don't check have access to fresh fish or something.

                                                                    1. re: tatsu

                                                                      Sure the competitors have fresh fish....and often, better fish.
                                                                      I just wonder if Bourdain would make an appearance at Legal's highly touted food processing plant in the seaport district. They make a big show on their website (and as I mentioned, to their employees) of all the tests they do there.
                                                                      I'd much rather he go to NorthCoast or one of the other seafood companies nearby, but I mention NorthCoast because they have their own (non-chain) seafood restaurant right there, the drydock cafe, which I really like.

                                                              2. re: tatsu

                                                                I took Bourdain to be commenting on the high end restaurants, which don't thrill me as much as the mid-range places in the city / Cambridge / JP which put out fairly sophisticated food at a more reasonable price point.

                                                                I don't know Chicago, NY etc. other than the headline grabbing places, but how do places like Rendezvous, Ten Tables, Gran Gusto, Garden at the Cellar, Highland Kitchen, East Coast Grill, East by Northeast, Tupelo, Marliave, Hungry Mother, Bergamot, EVOO, Blue Room, etc. etc. match up against places in these other cities?

                                                                The fact that I can get downright excellent food any night of the week at any one of these places for a price that does not crush me seems like where Boston has the other cities beat. All within a 10-15 drive of each other or a quick ride on the T.

                                                                Maybe I am just living in my fantasy world about how the quality of these places matches up.... I could also be turning into a snooty Cantabrigian.

                                                                1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                  if you have not eaten in NYC or Chicago, then it is hard to have an opinion, is it not.
                                                                  that said, we seem to have a lot of good lower end food though i do not think that we do a better job than NYC or Chicago. I have been on the East Coast - but split my time between Boston and NYC, and I know that there are a lot of great inexpensive places in NYC; just as an example Barney Greengrass, Katz, Russ & Daughters; these places are much better than anything in Boston or Chicago for example.

                                                                  But that does not mean that i want to knock either Chicago or Boston. Try those three places and then see what you think about NYC.

                                                                  1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                    Cambridge Doctpr - First, that's why I stated that I could be living in a fantasy world that my opinion is correct. So I was eliciting feedback from people more in the know who could comment on my belief, however unsupported as it may be. (Plus, we live in Boston, which thinks it's the Hub of the Universe, even though we have not been to the whole universe....)

                                                                    In any case, the three places you mentioned are NY delis, nothing like the places I listed. I was thinking of more like chef driven, mid-high mid-range in price, seasonal, etc. but don't get too crazy and just sling some great chow. Just feel like this is Boston's sweetspot...

                                                                  2. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                    NY is incredible, you can find highly authentic cheaper places (how about $1 roast duck buns in Flushing) or go all the way to top at Per Se or it's neighbor Masa.

                                                                    I have not spent any time in Chicago unfortunately, but from what I read, it's ahead of Boston. We may be in the same league as Philly and D.C. Boston is upper 2nd tier. NY is the best.

                                                                    1. re: tatsu

                                                                      Philly and DC are much better Boston comparators...

                                                                    2. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                      With a population of over 10 million in greater Chicago area it is a mindblowing food town. Boston is really not in the same league on the high end, on the mid-preiced end, and particularly with regard to more modestly priced places, and with regard to reasonable traditional fair from folks from:

                                                                      - Mexico
                                                                      - Eastern Europe
                                                                      - Thailand
                                                                      - Greece
                                                                      - etc. etc. etc. (you really could go on and on and on)

                                                                      1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                        I merely raised this point in the context of the Bourdain show - I would argue that this style of cuisine - call it what you will -

                                                                        Nouveau Yankee cuisine...
                                                                        Haute CSA-driven chow...
                                                                        New England academic snobbery savory ?

                                                                        (someone with a marketing or advertising degree help me here!)

                                                                        is a segment of restaurant dining which is where Boston is at its best - and gets overlooked when these city comparisons are done, maybe because it's hard to describe, maybe because it's not THAT sexy, or THAT cheap. Maybe it's just "nice" food.

                                                                        Certainly is overlooked by visitors to town who are looking for "typical" Boston - how many times do we see posts on this subject? And the guidebooks are about bad chowder, overcooked lobsters, yankee pot roast -

                                                                        Ptooey I say!

                                                                        Aren't Rendezvous, Ten Tables, Hungry Mother, Tupelo and others of this type really where Boston cuisine is at?

                                                                        Of course, if you are telling me that there are better versions of what Bondir, Bergamot, Garden at the Cellar and Highland Kitchen are trying to do in these other cities, ok, I give. Although I would still argue that - in terms of geographic density in the aggregate, we hold our own regardless.

                                                                        If Bourdain were really ballsy, he might eschew crazy over-the-top chow and just do a show on the different riffs on pork belly, braised kale and grits you can find excellent versions of in a dozen places within a 2 mile radius of Inman Square.

                                                              3. re: scotty27

                                                                bourdain is not an owner of Les Halles

                                                                1. re: scotty27

                                                                  Um, why does anyone care about Anthony Bourdain? I have been to Les Halles many times and think they are dumps (i.e. food bad and I'm always scared a rat is going to crawl out somewhere)!

                                                                  1. re: gramercyfoodie

                                                                    care to explain 'many times' then?

                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                      Many times = approx. 10 visits...? As a native NY'er I've never heard the restaurants praised. Maybe I wasn't listening, but definitely don't get the fuss.

                                                                      1. re: gramercyfoodie

                                                                        I was being sarcastic but sincerely asking. . . .. If you hated it, I wondered why you would go there many times or even 10 times.

                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                          Haha. One was around the corner and open late so friends would suggest as an easy place. Have also been to a couple of parties there. Just asked a "foodie friend" about the fuss, he said they used to be good but are now "ghetto french". I never knew there was a famous chef in charge!

                                                                          1. re: gramercyfoodie

                                                                            Tony hasn't been in the kitchen there for several years. From what I've read, he's not connected other than friendships from his time there. He did write the Les Halles cookbook, though.

                                                                            1. re: bear

                                                                              he is probably more of a writer than a serious chef. And yes, even he thought that Les Halles is not even attempting serious french food; it is just a bistro that makes good fries and steak. I have never eaten there myself so i have no opinion about the food.

                                                                              1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                The wife and I had a really nice breakfast at les Halles in 2009. Can't comment on dinners there, however.

                                                                                1. re: kimfair1

                                                                                  I had lunch at Les Halles years ago, prior to Kitchen Confidential, during what I imagine was Bourdain's tenure, and liked it.

                                                                                  http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                2. Neptune Oyster all the way baby. It is a gorgeous overload of senses eating the lobster roll and fresh, expertly shucked oysters in a classic Boston setting.

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                                                                      1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                        The North end of the city-I love the vibe, history and architecture in that area. I guess it comes from a more personalized, tourist thing.

                                                                        I also love the tiled floor and tin ceiling in Neptune and how the bar takes centre stage.

                                                                        1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                                                          I agree completely, just didn't understand the phrase 'classic boston'

                                                                  1. OK, so Legal has more than one restaurant, but few places speak more of Boston terroir. Plus, if he can get a tour of the plant and the lab, well, that's pretty amazing.
                                                                    For sheer fun and really good food? East Coast Grill, Craigie on Main, and Galleria Umberto top my list.
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                                                                    1. re: scotty27

                                                                      'OK, so Legal has more than one restaurant, but few places speak more of Boston terroir.'

                                                                      legal's has dozens of locations all up and down the eastern seaboard. while it did have its start here, walking into into one now feels like anyplace usa, most of them so garishly lit, it feels like a restaurant inside shopping mall, with equally as generic decor. very few of the seafood options are local anymore, partly because of stock depletion, but also because they need to supply so many outlets. i mean really, new jersey oysters? i haven't had a decently shucked oyster or properly cooked piece of fish at a legal's more than a handful of times, no matter how often an out-of-towner will drag my a** to any various location. ugh.

                                                                      it used to be worth going simply for the well-priced white burgundies and breadth of alsatian wines, but that ceased being the case when sandy block took over the corporate program.

                                                                      i am fascinated that you're such a booster.

                                                                      1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                        If it's seafood it can't be terroir ;-)

                                                                        Perhaps l'océanaire...

                                                                        1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                          I believe the actual term is "merroir". Probably not yet approved by L'Académie française.

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                                                                          1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                            merroir! love it!

                                                                            and if a place had it, it would be neptune or island creek. the food at legal's is utterly soul-less.

                                                                        2. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                          They have a processing plant that controls quality like none I've seen. Their testing lab is used by the state and has 3 F/T researchers ensuring that mercury/red tide, etc. don't contaminate their food. When top restaurants run out of fish/shellfish during service, they call Legal and get fish from them. I agree about the dining experience, which is not very exciting. As for terroir, you can apply it to fishing regions: North Atlantic, Pacific, etc. Fine, it means...what does terroir mean? Ask a winemaker and be prepared to set aside an hour or two to hear the answer.

                                                                          1. re: scotty27

                                                                            i'm a sommelier, tyvm.

                                                                            yes, the qc is quite something. i've been to the plant and am friendly with some of the mucky mucks in the company.

                                                                            your insistence on this "terroir" thing with legal's (more aptlt called merroir upthread!) is funny, actually. thanks for that!

                                                                            1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                              Could it be terrmerroir if the fish is a bottom-feeder?

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                                                                              1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                Merroir is a brilliant term.

                                                                                1. re: scotty27

                                                                                  Not my coinage. I've also seen it spelled "meroir"

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                                                                        3. His formula for stateside cities generally involves working in the hole-in-the-wall ethnic eateries, chatting up an up and coming chef who is killing it and finding the places that serve the "nasty bits." I'd like to see him highlight Jamie Bissonnette. I think Toro and Coppa are definitely in Bourdain's style. I would also expect to see him go to Craigie for the pig tails.

                                                                          They'll probably make him do some cliche Boston adventure. Lobstering?

                                                                          I hope he makes it out to Lowell. He did a talk in Lowell last spring.

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                                                                          1. re: ecwashere7

                                                                            That's interesting about holes in the wall. Given Tony's regard for Pasternack & Batali, Toro and Coppa, well...
                                                                            On a positive note, Dok Bua in Brookline is good.
                                                                            For a sheer Boston experience, you can't beat the take out area at Santarpio's...
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                                                                            1. re: scotty27

                                                                              I was listing separate experiences: 1. hole in the wall 2. up and coming chef 3. nasty bits. I wasn't trying to say Coppa and Toro were holes in the wall. Just think Bissonnette needs some recognition for his awesome food. I agree with you on Dok Bua. Good stuff.

                                                                              I think many "Boston experiences" (like Santarpio's) is exactly what Bourdain and others think suck about Boston. IMO, Regina and Santarpio's rely on their experiences rather than their food. Bourdain would be looking for both.

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                                                                              1. re: ecwashere7

                                                                                Regina and Santarpio's were both just on Food Feuds so I would rule them out.

                                                                                My opinion is he's going to find a theme about the Boston food scene and stick to it for the show. Locavore? Chacuterie? Maybe up and coming Chefs operating small establishments? Bondir? East By NorthEast? Ten Tables?

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                                                                                1. re: bizkat

                                                                                  I would love all of those options far more than highlighting the two most over-rated pizza places in the Boston area.

                                                                                  I think it would be cool if he spent his time entirely in the villages of Boston that aren't considered Boston proper; JP, Allston, Eastie, Dorchester, etc.. I think that would show that there is a ton of color to this city that most people don't get to see normally.

                                                                                  Highly unlikely though.

                                                                            2. re: ecwashere7

                                                                              How about oystering with the Island Creek guys?

                                                                              1. re: tatsu

                                                                                Yes. I bet Bourdain may at least be considering this. The water views from Duxbury would be a nice backdrop for the show as well.

                                                                                1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                  That's what I was saying earlier in this thread. He can't do the lobstering thing since Zimmer;s been there done that with Greenlaw the Patron Saint of Swordfish and Lobstering.

                                                                                  Also, he is a big oyster guy and loves Wellfleets, so it would make sense that he would check out the phenomena of Island Creek which hits the trifecta of success - hard work, great marketing and an excellent product.

                                                                                  So I stand by My Perfect Bourdain Day in Boston

                                                                                  A stop at Speeds for lunch which MUST include Speed,
                                                                                  then a drive to Duxbury to do some oyster farming and education
                                                                                  followed by dinner at Island Creek or Neptune
                                                                                  and then some late night club/dive debauchery
                                                                                  followed by fried clams at Kelly's late night in Revere for 'stoner food'

                                                                                  I dare boston chowhounds to come up with a better plan. I'm sure this thread will likely be read by his staff, so the better the recs, the better boston will be served.

                                                                                    1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                      Thank you, perhaps his team is hiring. I could use a new gig!

                                                                                    2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                      I like your plan, Bellachefa. Oh, and Anthony, if you're reading this, King Arthur's Lounge in Chelsea is a must stop for you, as it reflects everything that makes this city so great. ;-)

                                                                                      1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                        Oh, maybe vintage Bourdain, but the proud Papa could not possibly show up there now. Bad enough he's ganna be eating 'stoner food' at Kelly's.

                                                                                        What I find interesting about this thread is that many don't really get that with Bourdain, it is a travel show, not a chowhound show. He has eaten some pretty nasty stuff in some pretty amazing places. It's not the best meal, it's about the destination and the hospitality. IMHO of course.

                                                                                      2. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                        I also agree that it is a perfect plan, Bellachefa! But I live on the North Shore and I would really like to see him again...oh well, we shall see.

                                                                                2. Craigie seems like a good fit if only for the pig head.

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                                                                                  1. re: dfan

                                                                                    no, that's Andrew Zimmern territory!

                                                                                    1. re: Science Chick

                                                                                      I think pig's-head isn't odd enough anymore for Zimmern, and Bourdain has done plenty of offal-eating in his day (that Egyptian place in Astoria comes to mind). Craigie is obviously well-regarded, but maybe a bit overhyped for his show, too Beard Award-y. I believe Estragon did pig's-head first in Boston, anyway.

                                                                                      http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                      1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                        Bourdain went to El Bulli and Alinea, so while i agree that Craigie is out but not for the reason that you gave, MC; those places get plenty of accolades without needing any from Bourdain..

                                                                                        I have supported Craigie on chowhound, but Craigie is not at the cutting edge of great restaurants in the US. .

                                                                                        1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                          That's interesting. What is the cutting edge, in your opinion?
                                                                                          Back to Bourdain & Boston: I know him, I've eaten with him, he's not looking for anything, per se. In fact, when we ate, he asked people to order for him--he had less interest in the food than in the conversation. I think he is more fascinated by the people who cook than what's on the plate. That said, in Boston, I'd steer him to our characters: Ralph and Paul @ Galleria Umberto; Mary Catherine and Deborah @ Upstairs; the guys who run New Deal fish; Tony Russo of Russo's; the folks @ M&M BBQ; and, Mario Depasquale who waits tables @ Scampo. The food? Not so much. www.shrinkithekitchen.com

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                                                                                          1. re: scotty27

                                                                                            ok, excepting Alinea, looking for something nearer to us that you might try, Corton. Maybe Journeyman is something like that; I have not made it there yet. When people know a restaurant better than i do, i allow them to order for me, too.

                                                                                            Oh, i particularly like your idea of the guys at New Deal, too.

                                                                                            1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                              Oh, doc, if we're doing the NYC deal, I'm an emigre, and, sure, Corton is great as are Locanda Verde, 11 Madison, Esca...all owned by friends, 'natch.

                                                                                              Still: Craigie is like Dylan going electric. Not sure what Tony is doing, but for sure no one else in Boston/Cambridge is doing it. Sous vide being one example: Banned in Boston, but alive & well @ Craigie on Main!

                                                                                              Um, Tony had us order for him at Da Silvano, which is pretty rote in cuisine although Silvano isn't.

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                                                                                              1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                I thought about mentioning Esca, also; cutting edge for the US.

                                                                                                i eat at craigie once a month, and my standards are so low, that i even like the service.

                                                                                                One aside: the worst case of attempted up-selling that has happened to me was at Alain Ducasse in Paris where the waiter/sommelier could not understand why i wanted to drink a white wine with minimal oak and tried to force a bottle of Corton-Charlemagne down my throat.

                                                                                                1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                  I guess I think of cutting edge as technique driven; driven by science in the kitchen; and menu items/presentation not seen elsewhere. I'm @ Esca about 6x a year and I don't think it's cutting edge, but that's just me. I do regard it as my favorite restaurant for its price point in the city.

                                                                                                  You mean AD @ PA? Goofy, huh? Dude, he must've sensed the deep pockets.

                                                                                                  That said: I think what's happening at Craigie isn't happening in Boston, certainly, and I wonder if Tony's use of science differentiates him and makes him cutting edge. I think that Craigie on Main, like Jay-Z in music, represents what chefs under 40 aspire to in their kitchens. Or, as with DBGB, over 40!

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                                                                                                  1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                    esca is not innovative in technique, but before i went there, i had no idea about crudo. So, perhaps i just do not eat around enough, but that was something new to me. where can you find something like that in Boston, pray tell.

                                                                                                    But I agree that it is not innovative in the same way as Corton which really is using new techniques to produce food. That is why i decided to go with Corton.

                                                                                                    I think that Coppa is our DBGB though i hope that things calm down so that i can enjoy the food more.

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                                                                                                    1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                      Crudo? On Coppa's menu,Neptune Oyster's menu...

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                                                                                                      1. re: Trumpetguy

                                                                                                        yes, you are right; some on coppa but more on neptune.

                                                                                                        1. re: Trumpetguy

                                                                                                          ok, thanks; i guess that i stand corrected. there is plenty of crudo particularly on neptune's menu; some on coppa's

                                                                                                        2. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                          Tony is serving crudo on his tasting menu: Hiramasa. But you're right: No crudo courses, per se, with a full selection. And here's an irony: Robert Sisca, the chef at Bistro du Midi, really, truly ran the kitchen at Le Bernadin for five years. So you might think: Yay, great fish! His fish is great, but that is not the focus of Bistro du Midi, unfortunately. If anyone could do a crudo menu, it's Robert. Sigh.

                                                                                                          I liked Corton. Drew knows food.

                                                                                                          It's not our DBGB for lots of reasons not the least of which are the size of the room and the no reservations policy.

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                                                                                                    2. re: scotty27

                                                                                                      no one else is doing sous vide? tony learned it at oringer's knee.

                                                                                                      1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                        It's banned in Boston. Cuisine Solutions offered a two day seminar run by Bruno Gosseault; Craigie on Main took the course. If Clio is using sous vide, that's interesting news. I think you are correct.
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                                                                                                        1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                          At the least, The Russell House Tavern and Gargoyles on the Square use sous vide. I imagine it is used elsewhere on both sides of the Charles, perhaps surreptitiously in Boston, like at a couple of those very high-end French places.

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                                                                                                          1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                            I just learned about sous vide recently and it sounds amazing. Probably a dumb question, but what items at Russell House are made this way? (the menu didn't give me any clues)

                                                                                                            1. re: Prav

                                                                                                              Possibly not technically sous vide, as I'm not sure they use a vacuum bag, but the crispy soft-poached egg is cooked with an immersion circulator first: http://stuffboston.com/feed/archive/2... I seem to recall Will Gilson sous-videing some dishes at Garden at The Cellar, too. In Boston, Tony Susi at Sage used to do a sous-vide veal breast.

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                                                                                                          2. re: scotty27

                                                                                                            If Clio is using sous vide, that's interesting news. I think you are correct.

                                                                                                            ~~~

                                                                                                            i know that i am, lol. and many other chefs use it too.

                                                                                                            1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                              FYI, I had an appetizer of sous-vide vitello tonnato on the Boston side of the river recently, though I don't think I'll say where. Might be like ratting out the "cold tea" places in Chinatown.

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                                                                                                          3. re: scotty27

                                                                                                            Rocca has a sous vide steak on the menu this past Saturday night. Two of my DCs had it.

                                                                                                            1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                              Well, tell your "friend" Locanda Verde is all hype and mediocre. Grotto is better.

                                                                                                              1. re: Alcachofa

                                                                                                                Who said Sous Vide is banned in Boston? I had a sous vide steak at Jean Georges Market.

                                                                                                                1. re: Torolover

                                                                                                                  People might be using it, but without a HACCP plan approved by the city's Board of Health, it's not legal. That's what happened with Chang & Benno in NYC: Fines and destruction of property. Now it's on the down low and if it's overt, if the restaurant says openly that they are using it, it's in violation of the law. The way restaurants get around this is by cooking food in sealed plastic in low temperature marie bain type prep. That is: Not using Polyscience equipment vetted by Cuisine Solutions. It's banned in NYC and Boston because HACCP hasn't been implemented and the concern is that low temp's increase the risk of bacterial illness.
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                                                                                                                  1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                    Folks, we're going to ask everyone to move on from the discussion of health codes and the legal status of sous vide cooking. It's out of the scope of what we cover on this site; we prefer to keep our discussions focused on finding great chow, not on the legality of how it's prepared.

                                                                                                2. The itinerary should include the new Todd English cupcake joint, and perhaps a visit to Menton, dressed in sweats. Perhaps a snarky chowhound perspective on Boston could be the theme, including sad claims to culinary superiority to say, Indianapolis, or something.

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                                                                                                  1. re: nsenada

                                                                                                    Oh how depressing! Are you suggesting his theme be, "Boston Chefs who Jumped the Shark"? Or possibly, "3 year old trends that Bostonians think are new"?

                                                                                                    I prefer to believe that he will find and highlight what makes Boston great - the juxtaposition of old-money Brahmin, college kids, a gritty music scene, blue-collar bars, and a several thriving immigrant populations.

                                                                                                    1. re: nsenada

                                                                                                      Don't forget the Barking Crab.

                                                                                                      1. re: nsenada

                                                                                                        Menton?! It's not Boston. It's more like Playing Dress Up. How about something true to the city with cool characters like Galleria Umberto?
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                                                                                                          1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                            was there Sat ( after my Haymkt) clams..not in sweats..:) Worth a stop for sure.

                                                                                                          2. re: scotty27

                                                                                                            Dressing in sweats is what makes the experience special, and uniquely Bostonian (just reviving one of my favorite board topics).

                                                                                                            GU would be good, and filming the progress of the line on a busy day will certainly fill up a lot of time.

                                                                                                          3. Don't think we should leave out something Armenian. And perhaps a trip to Karl's to see exactly what IS in the sausage.

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                                                                                                              1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                Hmmmm anyone know the diff between spec and bresaola?

                                                                                                                1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                                  I think speck is smoked, bresaiola is dried.

                                                                                                                  1. re: nsenada

                                                                                                                    Aaaaah, that rings a bell. Thx.

                                                                                                                    1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                                      And speck is really, really, really, really good, while bresaola is just really, really, really good.

                                                                                                                      1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                                                        I agree, I've eaten them both... just could not remember which was what.

                                                                                                                        1. re: StriperGuy

                                                                                                                          speck is pork bresaola is beef

                                                                                                                          1. re: OLDCHEF

                                                                                                                            And we all know pork is just tastier than beef. So there you have your answer. Speck wins. (Although I never met a bresaola I didn't love.)

                                                                                                                            1. re: OLDCHEF

                                                                                                                              Hmmmm, I though speck was beef, learn something every day.

                                                                                                              2. I think a North Shore Roast beef with sauce and cheese is unique to the area and right up his alley.

                                                                                                                1. Ooh, cool topic! I didn't know he's coming to Boston but I am excited to see what comes up in the final show.

                                                                                                                  So many good suggestions... I'm feeling Chacarero and Baraka Cafe on the casual side. I haven't seen the Chacarero sandwich anywhere else and, though its certainly not the best thing I've ever eaten, it is unexplicably addictive (for me at least) and is definitely a Boston staple for many. I think green beans in a sandwich maked for a good segment.

                                                                                                                  I think our Cape Verdean diaspora is significant and unique so I might vote that way as well. Restaurant Cesaria?

                                                                                                                  I'm also on the Island Creek team. They've carved out such a space in the national oyster market that I'm sure many viewers would be interested in the hometown perspective.

                                                                                                                  And I DEFINITELY agree with those suggesting the local/seasonal/sustainable stuff going on at Oleana, Ten Tables, Hungry Mother, Lumiere and the like. I'd love to see at least one of those in the episode! I'm really proud of the progress Boston is making in that direction and I think each of these restaurants has a spirit and story worthy of the show.

                                                                                                                  For what its worth, I think he'd be into Muqueca. This also brings to mind Christina's in Inman & Taza Chocolate. I could see Rincon Limeno on the show as well as gastropub-type places like Deep Ellum & Publick House, etc. Also, I think he'd feel right at home with a swing by The Middle East. I'm not really "voting" to see any of these, I just can imagine them on the show.

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                                                                                                                  Baraka Cafe
                                                                                                                  80 Pearl St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                  Rincon Limeno
                                                                                                                  409 Chelsea St, Boston, MA 02128

                                                                                                                  Muqueca
                                                                                                                  1010 Cambridge St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                  Hungry Mother
                                                                                                                  Cambridge, MA, Cambridge, MA

                                                                                                                  Lumiere Restaurant
                                                                                                                  1293 Washington St., West Newton, MA 02465

                                                                                                                  Publick House
                                                                                                                  1648 Beacon St, Brookline, MA

                                                                                                                  Middle East Restaurant
                                                                                                                  472 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                  Deep Ellum Bar
                                                                                                                  477 Cambridge St, Allston, MA 02134

                                                                                                                  Oleana
                                                                                                                  134 Hampshire St., Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                  Ten Tables
                                                                                                                  5 Craigie Circle, Cambridge, MA 02138

                                                                                                                  Taza Chocolate
                                                                                                                  561 Windsor St, Somerville, MA

                                                                                                                  Chacarero
                                                                                                                  101 Arch St, Boston, MA 02110

                                                                                                                  1. Given Bourdain's oft-stated enjoyment of the nasty bits of meat, I think odds are high he'll be showing up at Eastern Standard. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess. For nice eats, I'd like Oleana to get a spotlight. For divey street food-ish places, I'd love to see him hit up Moody's Falafel Palace.

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                                                                                                                    Eastern Standard
                                                                                                                    528 Commonwealth Avenue, Boston, MA 02215

                                                                                                                    Moody's Falafel Palace
                                                                                                                    25 Central Sq, Cambridge, MA 02139

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                                                                                                                    1. re: Mordecai

                                                                                                                      esk does charcuterie and there are bits of sweetbreads on the heart-attack-on-a-plate frisee salad, (i call it that with great affection and must force myself to order other dishes when i'm there, lol) but they don't do much other offal.

                                                                                                                    2. He's here now... both he and his wife confirmed it via Twitter.

                                                                                                                      "Made it to Boston safely--in spite of @ottaviabourdain dire predictions"
                                                                                                                      http://twitter.com/NoReservations/sta...

                                                                                                                      1. The research is likely a done deal at this point but.

                                                                                                                        - Breakfast at Sofra
                                                                                                                        - Chowder and beer (do they have Cambridge's own Pretty Things?) at Charlie's Kitchen. Dive bar, mixed crowd (Harvard prof to punk rock), great jukebox and the waitress Helen is a Flo-like fossil.
                                                                                                                        - Oyster shucking with Island Creek
                                                                                                                        - Dinner party with New England clam boil
                                                                                                                        - Music and food - The Plough and Stars, The Middle East, Matt Murphys or just music at Toad. Plough's food easily edges the Middle East but Joseph and Nabil have great stories and are consummate hosts.

                                                                                                                        And besides seafood, what are Boston's other stories? The Pub (Cellar, Highland, Publick House, The Plough, Deep Ellum), Farm Fresh (I'd vote for Hungry Mother or the Garden) and -- whoawhoa watch out -- he upends Boretown USA's rep with a fair spread of ethnic food - North African at Baraka Cafe? Afhgani at The Helmand in Kendall? Pho in Quincy? Roti in Mattapan? Tibetan outside Harvard? Portuguese in Cambridge? roadside Indian at Punjabi Dhaba?

                                                                                                                        Too bad it's offseason. Make him lose a bet and sneak into Fenway with a Sausage Guy sammy and watch the Yankees get beat.

                                                                                                                        If the producers have done their homework, they won't be going to Kelly's in Revere. Unless he reenacts Rachel Ray's mmmmm clam roll moment as her off camera crew ducks planes from Logan and gets dirty diapers out of the shot. Go to Belle Isle, Courthouse or The Causeway instead.

                                                                                                                        Look forward to hearing the spottings this week!

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                                                                                                                        Baraka Cafe
                                                                                                                        80 Pearl St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                        Matt Murphy's
                                                                                                                        14 Harvard St, Brookline, MA 02445

                                                                                                                        Punjabi Dhaba
                                                                                                                        225 Hampshire St, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                        Hungry Mother
                                                                                                                        Cambridge, MA, Cambridge, MA

                                                                                                                        Publick House
                                                                                                                        1648 Beacon St, Brookline, MA

                                                                                                                        Middle East Restaurant
                                                                                                                        472 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139

                                                                                                                        Charlie's Kitchen
                                                                                                                        10 Eliot St, Cambridge, MA 02138

                                                                                                                        Deep Ellum Bar
                                                                                                                        477 Cambridge St, Allston, MA 02134

                                                                                                                        Sofra
                                                                                                                        1 Belmont St, Cambridge, MA 02138

                                                                                                                        The Sausage Guy
                                                                                                                        118 Dorchester St, Boston, MA 02127

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                                                                                                                        1. re: 5thAndNowhere

                                                                                                                          Just heard from his agent. Yes, he's here now. Let's see where...

                                                                                                                        2. He's on Howie Carr's WRKO show sometime in the 3pm-4pm hour today. Subject is the Michelle Obama vs. Palin food fight. Can't believe I'm actually going to tune into that loathsome show.

                                                                                                                          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                                                                                          1. "Corned beef hash and eggs over at the Galley in Southie. Superb. Feel like the Hindenberg ."

                                                                                                                            recently tweeted

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                                                                                                                            1. re: Chicken with a Capon

                                                                                                                              How the hell did he find The Galley? 99% of all Bostonians don't know where that place is.

                                                                                                                              1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                                                                I'd never heard of it, but I'm glad he found some good corned beef hash in town.

                                                                                                                                His doppelganger was at Russell House Tavern for lunch today, but when I looked closer, it wasn't him. Not enough snark.

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                                                                                                                                14 JFK Street, Cambridge, MA 02138

                                                                                                                              2. Held my nose and listened to Howie Carr - looks like he may hit Michael's in Brookline on Howie Carr's recommendation. Howie also recommended Bricco and Kowloon, but it doesn't sound like they'll be heading to either (as Bourdian pointed out, "I've been to Kowloon.")

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                                                                                                                                241 Hanover St., Boston, MA 02113

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                                                                                                                                1. re: nsenada

                                                                                                                                  Yeah forced myself to sit through it as well. Pretty good interview overall though. No High end restaurants should be expected on the episode, he mentioned Craigie by name as a place he would like to eat but will not be visiting.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Matt H

                                                                                                                                    no surprise in that; there are other places better suited to doing shows about high end dining.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                                                      Agreed, Id rather see him skip that all together myself.

                                                                                                                                  2. re: nsenada

                                                                                                                                    Christ, was an unmitigated a-hole Howie Carr is. I was pleased that Bourdain and Ted Nugent both stood up and defended Michelle Obama's pro-healthy-eating initiatives for kids, while all Carr could do was parrot GOP talking points on the subject. Dolt.

                                                                                                                                    Bourdain talked about using the novel "The Friends of Eddie Coyle" as the framing device for this episode. The movie version is just an amazing document of early-70s Boston around its rough edges, a great low-rent crime drama (just saw it recently on TMC). That suggests some old-time lowdown barrooms. The Drinking Fountain, anyone?

                                                                                                                                    Good show: it was worth enduring that fake-populist right-wing gasbag to hear Tony hold forth.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                      This from the horse's mouth on where Tony is going in Boston: "Heard back from Tony. This time they are doing working class kind of joints."
                                                                                                                                      No surprise there. Menton? Au contraire.

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                                                                                                                                      354 Congress St, Boston, MA 02210

                                                                                                                                      1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                        God please let him go to Eddie C's bar in Eastie. If he gets out with his cheeks intact it will be epic.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: yumyum

                                                                                                                                          That was a funny afternoon..:)

                                                                                                                                          K and I have been a few other times and they were really pretty friendly. Maybe it was the lilacs that K gave the older woman bartender. One of the first to sprout in the springthat were growing in an empty lot. She ended up shooing away a guy who wanted to sell us a few carton of cigs that had fallen off a truck..:)

                                                                                                                                            1. re: 9lives

                                                                                                                                              my second visit to eddie c's a lady-fight spilled onto the street and one "lady" bit a hole in the other one's cheek. quite sure they were fighting over some quality man. anybody been to trainer's right around the corner? w00t!.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                Did you actually see it? We were just told about it the next day. Maybe just that's a common lady fighting tecchnique for Eddie's C's. Or maybe the story just kept getting retold; but that's the same story we were told. We weren't here to actually see it.

                                                                                                                                                Walked into Trainer's once but no one was there.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: 9lives

                                                                                                                                                  i was there, lol. i haven't been back.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                              Too bad Bernie's in Chinatown is no longer open--he might have liked that (then again, maybe not). My favorite quote from last year (in a dive bar thread) was,"[Bernie's] is where I learned that pimps both do and do not dress like pimps."

                                                                                                                                              1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                But Drink should definitely be on the list. There have to be some mobsters amongst the throngs of construction workers.

                                                                                                                                              2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                I kinda hope not re: Fountain. That's my local. I don't want it filled with douchebags from air date until god-knows-when.

                                                                                                                                                Perhaps JJ's fireside? I never walk that far, so have at it Tony! :-)

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Kirs

                                                                                                                                                  Sorry, hush my mouth about the Fountain. The subject of No Reservations ruining the places it touches got a lot of airtime on the Carr segment. I must admit I have never been to The Galley, guess I will have to get there in a hurry now.

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                                                                                                                                                2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                  Scenes for that movie were shot at Doyle's, so that seems like a natural AB stopover, even though the food is not notable.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jpsox

                                                                                                                                                    I know for bar scenes, the movie was filmed in the bar, which is long gone, at the corner of Newbury St. and Mass. Ave., where Best Buy is now. Not sure they filmed at Doyle's but they may have.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cwinboston

                                                                                                                                                      I have not been inside Doyle's in a few years, but on the wall there used to at least one photo of Robert Mitchum and others from the shoot there, along with a description of it which pointed out some brackets that were installed in the ceiling for lighting and were still in place.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: jpsox

                                                                                                                                                      I think the Doyle's connection might be apocryphal. Good write-up of the locations here: http://www.bigscreenboston.com/2008/0... The most interesting to me is the old Kentucky Tavern, a men's bar located where the Best Buy on Newbury now is, later known to younger generations as Frank 'n Steins. Watch that scene and try to picture a Back Bay that hosted that bar.

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                                                                                                                                                    3. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                      Ooooh...I can already hear the Modern Lovers and Real Kids soundtrack...so glad he's going low-brow.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Eatin in Woostah

                                                                                                                                                        Given the timeframe, maybe some Remains.

                                                                                                                                                  2. My vote is for Bourdain to go to Hamersley's. He literally helped put Boston on the culinary map, he has never sold out or had any missteps, and he still works the line. He is Boston. Plus Tony could play off his love of the Red Sox

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Elvis74

                                                                                                                                                      "Heard back from Tony. This time they are doing working class kind of joints." Leaving aside whether Hamersley put Boston on the culinary map--Shire, White, English, Legal Seafoods (like it or not)--or whether he sold out--or what you mean by missteps, or why a chef has to work the line for a place to be good, do you consider Hamersley's, "a working class kind of joint?"

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                        Um, I was just throwing my two cents in about where I would like to see Bourdain go to in Boston. Not really sure where u are getting the "chef has to work the line...", uh, I was just making an observation. My comment had nothing to do with the "working class joint" comment by you earlier in the thread. I thought this was an open, friendly forum. And,no, I wouldnt consider it working class, considering his prices.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Elvis74

                                                                                                                                                          Fair enough. I'd love to see him at Hamersley's, too. Bet he'd love the food.

                                                                                                                                                    2. No Reservations Twitter Post-

                                                                                                                                                      For the record: my favorite Boston restaurant is not and never was Legal. Nothing wrong with it but..please!
                                                                                                                                                      about 1 hour ago via Twitter for iPad

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                          seems to be a big fave of yours, though.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                                                                                                                            I admire the product and the consistency.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                              i find they consistently execute inconsistently. you'd think they would at least train their people to properly shuck oysters. unless i'm there for the $1 specials, i stopped getting them because they are always shredded.

                                                                                                                                                      1. I've actually eaten at the Galley, I had no idea I was ahead of the curve... the working class curve anyway. Judging by that I'll predict:

                                                                                                                                                        The Corner Cafe (in the north end) for iceberg lettuce salad in a styrofoam bowl and all you can eat pasta

                                                                                                                                                        no but seriously:

                                                                                                                                                        The Galway House
                                                                                                                                                        Pleasant Cafe

                                                                                                                                                        would both be in line

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                                                                                                                                                        720 Centre St, Jamaica Plain, MA 02130

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: pierce

                                                                                                                                                          The Galway House etc. would be in keeping with the "Friends of Eddie Coyle" theme, as the original novel was published in 1972. A Twitter rumor spotted Bourdain on Beacon Hill (I speculated he might be at the Red Hat or Beacon Hill Pub, or perhaps the Shangri-La, the bad American-Chinese place that was once alleged to have a brothel in the basement), and later at that really wretched Thai place on Charles Street (King & I), which if true means he's not getting great guidance.

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                            While Shangri-La is horrible food wise, spending an evening with the bartender Ken is always interesting and probably exactly the type of guy Bourdain wouldn't mind spending a couple hours with.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                              I could see the BHP as long as he didn't go there after about 8pm on a weekend (where it turns into a young 20something hookup zone). Red Hat makes sense, as does the Shang in some ways, as Matt pointed out - although even that's more of a college zone.

                                                                                                                                                              I find myself at the Shang's lunch buffet on rare occasion, always after a night of massive overindulgence. That place is so soul sucking, dimly lit, quiet, people are sullen and the food tastes like regret.

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                                                                                                                                                              9 Bowdoin St Ste 1, Boston, MA 02114

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                "... people are sullen and the food tastes like regret."

                                                                                                                                                                Oh, my! That little gem of writing just made my day!

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                  I was thinking of the Shangri-La only for a bad Tiki drink and its lowdown criminal backstory, not as a place to eat, heaven forfend.

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                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                    I can tell ya though, if he wants to some downtrodden, working class schlubs (not to mention fat guys in business suits) all he has to do is pop in there at lunch time :)

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                      From the places he's going to, doesn't sound like food is #1 on his list.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                    After watching him eat peasant food in Paris on the television a day or two ago, I saw him eating at Clink in the Liberty Hotel tonight. I assume he's staying there, which would explain why he went to the nearby King & I the night before. He's very tall in person!

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                                                                                                                                                                    145 Charles St Ste 1, Boston, MA 02114

                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: pierce

                                                                                                                                                                    oh man, when i was fresh out of college and new in town we used to hit up the corner cafe for the pasta and the taco nights every week. i wondered recently if they still did that.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                      I've actually never been on Pasta Night (tuesdays?) but when I lived in the North End I used stop by for a burger and a beer occasionally. Really really nice people working in there, never crowded, decent burger and cheap cold beer. Getting nostalgic.....

                                                                                                                                                                  4. Interesting piece in today's Globe on the visit. Bourdain is visiting local joints; one regret he has is not going to Craigie on Main. He certainly nailed that!

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                                                                                                                                                                    853 Main Street, Cambridge, MA 02139

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                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                                      just an aside; interestingly enough, my favorite dishes are seafood at Craigie though i have yet to try the burger or barfood. Mr. Maws should consider opening a seafood restaurant - at a high end - to be the Boston equivalent of Marea or Bernadin. And of course, a bunch of hamburger joints, too.

                                                                                                                                                                      rick bayless of topolobompo already has started a taco bell-like chain. Interestingly, he put his first one outside of Chi-town in SF.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                                                                                        His burger is amazing. It's freshly ground, choice (not prime) grass fed brisket or skirt steak; then, beef cheeks (for fat); with kidney fat added to give it an even fattier taste as the grass fed has texture but little fat and then dried miso to give it depth. He's opening a second place within 18 months. Your idea of a burger joint or Le Bernadin: Brilliant.
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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: cambridgedoctpr

                                                                                                                                                                          I love the idea of "Craigie with a drive-thru", but Maws is so specific in his burger ingredients, and his preferred beef suppliers so limited in their production, that he capped the number of Craigie burgers he produces each night.

                                                                                                                                                                          In general, it's an attractive idea: fast food for people who ordinarily find fast food utterly disgusting. I wonder about the economics, though. A lot of people eat that crap not only because it's fast, but really cheap. My guess is you'd have to pick your spots carefully; a lot of the most desirable locations have high real estate costs. It will be interesting to watch the Bayless experiment.

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                            Just wrote to Tony. Not a cap. He writes back, "They've been going on and on about this -- around Thanksgiving it really blew up. We get our meat from only a couple of producers/farms so supply is limited and can't always meet demand. We do our best to create pars that will last the week. Sometimes we run out, sometimes we don't."
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                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                                              Which really is a cap, though conditioned on the availability of the meat, rather than arbitrarily set at a particular number of burgers.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: nsenada

                                                                                                                                                                                A cap is a limit. He runs out. He could run out on a Tuesday because he sold a gazillion burgers the night before.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for the niggling clarification. My point stands: Maws's burger production is limited on a weekly (not nightly) basis for the exact reason I cited, i.e., the scale limitations of his beef suppliers. This makes the prospect of him doing a Craigie-burger-only joint improbable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                  i remain fascinated by the obsession with how many burgers Chef Maw can and will produce. the last post on this resulted in bizarre speculation about how he was limiting his product in order to make people spend more money on more upscale items. It was an unseemly display of unfounded attack and seemed largely motivated by the desire to trash somebody who had the audacity to move from a tiny bistro into a bigger market. I would be thrilled if we could cease the speculation on his motives and his meat. The burger, when you can get it, is great. Isn't that sufficient unto the day>?

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: teezeetoo

                                                                                                                                                                                    You right. Exac-tac-aly. Man, that burger is sooooo good!

                                                                                                                                                                                    Speaking of which, let us now praise burgers: Mr. Bartley's, Casablanca, Union, Upstairs in the Square in the downstairs bar, Market....the list goes on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                                                      Lots of good burger threads already ... one of my favorite topics too! A quick search on "Best Burger" will turn up hundreds of passionate posts. One of my favorites in town is at Toro -- whoooooeeeeee, that's a great burg!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1704 Washington St, Boston, MA 02118

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: teezeetoo

                                                                                                                                                                                      Maws 86'd his bar menu and moved back to a burger formulation that means he will run out of it occasionally. That generated a lot of discussion here, mostly by Hounds who love his food and that burger in particular. Yes, Chowhounds can be obsessive, but few people here are motivated by a desire to trash anybody. As I see it, Maws's fans on this board outnumber his detractors by an overwhelming margin.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                        When did he kill the bar menu? I know you can't get the burger in the dining room any more. Do you mean he changed the bar menu or killed it completely? He added pasta to the bar and tasting menus in late November.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                                                          He didn't kill the bar menu, he folded it into the full menu (with the exception of the burger - available in the bar only, and the potato galette- available at brunch only), so that folks in the dining room could order stuff like the crispy fried pig tails that were once restricted to the bar.

                                                                                                                                                                                    3. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                      Unless he changes the formula.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                    You're likely right in general, although for me, 95% of the time I'm getting fast food it is because of the "fast" part of the equation.

                                                                                                                                                                              3. 'the friend's of anthony bourdain"
                                                                                                                                                                                it just shows how low boston radio has come that bourdain went on howie carr's show.what about " late risers club" on w.m.b.r.?get peter wolf or mc slim jb to ferry him around town.it will be interesting to see where he ends up.
                                                                                                                                                                                i would suggest mike and patty's or cutty's for lunch(i'd pass on speeds,but silk road bbq on the rose kennedy garden is killer.).the toro/copa/island creek oyster bar/neptune are all winners.
                                                                                                                                                                                boston has so many really interesting places to eat.
                                                                                                                                                                                i would send tony to cambridge for some music at toad(wed. has christian mcneil/tim gearan -who is like van morrison in "the last waltz".tuesday at atwoods has jimmy ryan.both no cover charges.killer bands.
                                                                                                                                                                                last call?trina's starlight?lord hobo?wally's?redbones?the plough?matt murphy's?the druid?

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                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: workingclasshero

                                                                                                                                                                                  He wants to report on dives on this trip to "capture an era of Boston around 1972" when Higgins wrote Eddie Coyle. Why he wants to write about an era that is 38 years ago is beyond me. That being the case, he should go to Doyle's, both Charlie's, and Wally's.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: workingclasshero

                                                                                                                                                                                    Well, Slim's gotta protect his secret identity, though Peter Wolf seems right up his alley. Given how Bourdain loves the seedier side of things, its really a shame that he couldn't have come a few years ago and done a sequence with Mr. Butch.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: workingclasshero

                                                                                                                                                                                      I love your restaurant and bar candidates, wch, though I would hardly be the person to shepherd Tony around. Joanie from Late Risers Club (also Chowhound), Peter Wolf, T.J. Connelly (the guy who programs the music at Fenway, a real Chowhound type if not a poster here), or some other camera-friendly personality are much better ideas.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I think Bourdain has gotten caught up by Hollywood's recent notion of Boston as a colorful hotbed of blue-collar crime, as in The Town, Gone Baby Gone, Mystic River, The Departed. Add to that Bourdain's professed love for "The Friends of Eddie Coyle", and you have a framework for some good television, if not necessarily the best chow that could be gotten. (I hope to God that the King & I was just a drunk-food stop and doesn't make the episode.) At the least, it will likely highlight some little-seen Old Man Bars, which is where about half that novel is set.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      145 Charles St Ste 1, Boston, MA 02114

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think you're right about Bourdain's idea of Hollywood's idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                          From watching Bourdain's show, it's not about restaurant reviews and recommendations - it's a personal travelogue for the entertainment of the masses, etc. It's a celebration of Bourdain celebrating what he enjoys. And it's about being successful, to draw more viewers, advertisers, etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                          This explains both his apparent theme and why he is on Howie Carr. It's all about the money, folks. I love Breakfast of Champions and LRC, but it's about ratings and buzz, not entertaining the undergrads.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                                                                                                                                            That makes sense. I guess he's trying to showcase Boston's reputation as a tough town.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                                                                                                                                                              That accurately reflects what the show is about, in my experience (I've watched about half of them, and tend to scan through the non-food-related bits). That said, I suggested Joanie and T.J. for their punk rock sensibilities and Chowhound instincts, not their potential appeal to college students. I run into Peter Wolf *all the time* -- it's kind of creepy, actually, want that dude to stop stalking me -- but I have no idea if he likes decent food or not, and his music might be a little long in the tooth for Bourdain. But his look is right: kind of a shambling millionaire hobo.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                                Aging hipster, I reckon. Black being the new black.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Almost every time I go to Leo's Lunch in Harvard Sq, Peter Wolf is there. It's decent not specially delicious, but it's a nice place to hang.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: MC Slim JB

                                                                                                                                                                                                There are some dives still refelective of our proud blue collar crime past, but I think he's probably going to be wading through a lot of d-bags with ironic facial hair at many of the more well-known ones.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. According to the Metro he is hitting up places that were in Films. L Street Tavern is on the list as well as Murphy's Law.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              658A E 8th St, Boston, MA 02127

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                                                                                                                                                                                              837 Summer St, Boston, MA 02127

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: phatchris

                                                                                                                                                                                                low spark of high heeled boys

                                                                                                                                                                                                he is phoning it in. too bad to rise so far and then fall so low and become the cliche

                                                                                                                                                                                                pray it aint true

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                  "well...some people try to pick-up girls and get called asshole
                                                                                                                                                                                                  this never happened to pablo picasso
                                                                                                                                                                                                  he could walk down your street and girls could not resist his stare
                                                                                                                                                                                                  and so this never happened to pablo picasso/anthony bourdain.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  not in boston"
                                                                                                                                                                                                  -j. richman and the modern lovers

                                                                                                                                                                                                  i just saw that bellachefa suggested wolfie as co-pilot back in december.good call.i still think mc slim would make us all proud.go for it ,dude.so i'm nominating bellachefa.anyone who throws in a mick-dis can hang with bourdain.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  did you catch the "no reservations" show with david johansen in staten island?tony does have "epic" taste in n.y.c. punk rock.get bourdain out of southie.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: workingclasshero

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I very occasionally get asked to do little bits for various TV shows, but they all want on-camera appearances; no one is interested in gray-disking my face or electronically altering my voice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Tony's whole week is already mapped out in stone, but even if it weren't, he don't need no stinking amateurs helping. Food writers types don't get a lot of play on the show either, and as a former chef, I imagine he loathes most of the profession. Chefs, authors, artists, musicians, and politicians make for much better TV.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: workingclasshero

                                                                                                                                                                                                      be still my heart! Jonathan Richman and a pat on the behind all at once!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'd like to smack Tony upside the head with his ham bone and tell him to snap out of it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: scotty27

                                                                                                                                                                                                        bout what am I u right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I thought you were Mr Bourdains BFF and had his peeps on speed dial. Splain yerself lucy

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: phatchris

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, Murphy's Law and the L Street are within walking distance of The Galley, which he hit yesterday. Maybe he can go to Croke Park while he's at it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: hiddenboston

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If reports are correct, so far the only thing he has done right is The Galley. Howie Carr? LStreet??? c'mon!!!! He could drop the hambone and all I would say is 'who gives a fig leaf'
                                                                                                                                                                                                        He is to Mick what he should have been to Keith in the stones. Lost his way if these reports continue to prove correct. imho

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bellachefa

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Maybe the Howie Carr appearance ties in with the crime theme because of Howie's interest/connection with the Winter Hill Gang/Whitey Bulger. Did this come up in the interview?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: phatchris

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gee, a celebration of Boston film cliches celebrating mobsters and thugs. Why not just go with all the other Boston cliches? He can go to a formerly-segregated lunch counter and talk to his buddies Howie Carr and Gerry Callahan about how busing ruined everything and how Tom Yawkey was a misunderstood hero!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good to know I was right to not be watching this show. Looks like all those years of smack and cigarettes destroyed his originality along with his palate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Reported spottings at Brasserie Jo yesterday... Seems the working class angle is a bit off track already?

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Can we have a "January" version of this thread? I hate scrolling.

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