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Top Chef All-Stars - Ep. #3 - 12/15/10 (Spoilers)

LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:13 PM

It's the Relay Race episode - always a fun time (memories of Hung dismantling a whole chicken in a 1-2-3 flash!) As noted on another thread, TWO chefs are going home tonight - and previews are showing Marcel complaining about one of Wylie's sous chefs? Could he be a goner? (I wouldn't cry!)

This ep starts off with Antonia telling Jamie she just should have bandaged up her cut and continued instead of the stitches, and Mike I. saying everyone knows Jen should still be there over Jamie.

David Chang, Chef/owner of Momofuku Group, is the guest judge for the Quickfire Relay Race. Teams are:

1. Angelo, Fabio, Tiffany and Mike - Green Team
2. Tiffani, Carla, Marcel and Dale Talde - White Team
3. Casey, Antonia, Dale Levitski and Jamie - Red Team
4. Spike, Stephen, Tre, and Richard - Blue Team

It's a two-part relay - finish their mise en place, and once the first team finishes ALL mise, they hit a buzzer, and then EVERYONE has only 15 minutes to prepare a dish using ALL of the mise ingredients, regardless of whether they're done with the prep (if you're not done with the prep to Chang's satisfaction, you continue until he gives you the OK - THEN you can start preparing your dish). Angelo's team (Green) finishes mise first, so they end up with the full 15 minutes time to prepare their dish. Seems like they'll win, right? Not so fast!

Teams 1 and 3 (Green and Red) were the least favorites - even with the most time to prepare for the Green Team!! Teams 2 (White) and 4 (Blue) were favorites - and the Blue Team wins! They don't get immunity, but each team member gets $5,000.

For the Elimination Challenge, each team gets to dine at a different high-end NYC restaurant, and then each member on that team will have to prepare a dish they think would work on that restaurant's menu. The EC is an individual challenge - each team member will be battling against each other. So I guess there will be four in the winning group, and four in the bottom group...one from each group?

Knives are drawn to see where each team will go to eat:

Green Team - Ma Peche
Red Team - Townhouse
Blue Team - Marea
White Team - WD-50

Fabio has it tough with a French/Asian-themed food at Ma Peche; Blais could find it tough to edit his dish to pattern it after the coastal Italian food of Marea. Stephen was snooty, as expected. He eats at Marea all the time. So you'd *think* he'll be able to knock this out of the park, right?

And Marcel seems to be in the best spot in his group, going to WD-50, which is right up his alley. Whereas Carla could have problems here with the WD-50 style. And ALL of the chefs who go to David Burke's Townhouse could be in a bind - Burke's presentations are fantastical!

Wouldn't it just be wickedly delicious if both Stephen AND Marcel were told to PYKAG? ;-)

Each team ends up cooking IN the restaurant in which they dined the night before. Mike I. brings up that his competition is Angelo. Tre said that some people call him the Black Italian, so he thinks he'll do well. Carla noted the sous vide that Casey helped her with didn't work out so well in her season, so she won't be going that way. And Stephen seems to be having problems getting appliances to work.

The judges show up at Marea first. Blais really seemed to pull out a winner of a dish, as did Tre, whereas Stephen's dish was called like being in a head shop by Anthony Bourdain. :-D

Off they go to Ma Peche. Angelo gets high marks, as did Mike I. Fabio's dish was not well received, and Tiffany's was good, but not stellar.

Then they head to Townhouse. Jamie's dish didn't get good reviews, and Dale's dish was called too sweet by several judges. Casey's "scallibut" was enjoyed, and I didn't hear about Antonia's dish (ETA: guess it was good, as you'll see below!)

Marcel talks about one of Wylie's sous chefs accusing Marcel of culinary plagiarism in the mini-insert between commercials. Wonder whatever happened with that accusation. And now Marcel's going to be cooking at WD-50.

Finally, the judges are off to WD-50. Dale Talde is smart in saying he's not familiar with the cooking method, so it's not wise to play Wylie's game. Tiffani, however, is pushing the envelope. And she doesn't get good reviews, whereas Dale played the egg game (Wylie's favorite food) and does very well. Carla plays it safe, but it was good. But Wylie said while Marcel's embraced the equipment in the kitchen, he might not have applied the techniques as well as he could have.

Judges Table is going to be INTERESTING! Padma comes in and asks to see Dale T., Antonia, Angelo and Tre first! They have the favorite dishes! Winner gets a 6-night trip to New Zealand. Anthony asks Dale if he was aware Wylie's a complete "egg slut", and yes, he was aware of it, but kept it simple. Smart move, as he's the winner! WTG!

Stephen, Tiffani, Fabio and Dale Levitski. Hmm, Marcel's not in the bottom group! Yikes - in this group, based on what we saw, I think it's probably Stephen and Fabio going home. PLEASE, it cannot be Tiffani!

Stephen knows he put too much on the plate; Fabio seems restrained in his replies back to the judges. Tiffani knows she went overboard in using the equipment, when maybe she shouldn't have. Dale L. said Townhouse is like "food with jazz hands" - good description!

Yikes - Tiffani's dish was called a parody instead of an homage by AB! Could she actually be going home? I definitely think it's Fabio, but not sure between Stephen, Tiffani, or Dale!

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"I have great knowledge of Led Zeppelin; doesn' t make me Jimmy Page" - Tom Colicchio to Stephen re: his knowledge of Italian food. Great line. :-)
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STEPHEN and DALE are told to PYKAG! I'm bummed that Dale's gone, but glad Stephen is gone! However, Stephen is pretty gracious in his confessional about the other chefs - he knows he's not the same as the other fiercely competitive chefs who are on All Stars. Good for him!

Previews show them cooking at the U.S. Open, and someone cuts themselves yet again - and Tiffany accusing Angelo of "helping? Or hindering?" And JT preview even shows Tom C. saying something about Angelo sabotaging? Whoa.

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    Siun RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:15 PM

    Always fun when David Chang is in the house ... !

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      debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:22 PM

      I didn't enjoy the mise en place quickfire as much as usual. Somehow I felt a bit cheated by not getting to watch ingredients happen individually. Still fun though. Looking forward to the elimination challenge. Loving having David Chang on.

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        centralpadiner RE: debbiel Dec 16, 2010 05:12 AM

        Agreed! Though, I thought the timing element for creating a dish was a neat twist. So far, I am enjoying the types of challenges this season.

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          roxlet RE: debbiel Dec 16, 2010 06:30 AM

          I think that, give the 60 minute limit of this episode, it would have been impossible to do that and still make it to all the restaurants with enough time to see the dishes being made and then to comment on them. This was a jam-packed episode, which could have easily been expanded to 90 minutes. Everything felt rushed to me.

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            LindaWhit RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 06:34 AM

            Agreed. This was definitely an episode that should have been 75 minutes, at a minimum.

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              ChefJune RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 09:12 AM

              All that said, I thought it was one of the first times in a long time where we heard them talk about EVERYONE's food.

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              debbiel RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 02:18 PM

              Agreed roxlet, though I think that's what I would have liked--a 90 minute episode. More time on the quickfire, more time with judges' deliberations. Mind you I didn't dislike the quickfire; I just felt it was missing a little of the drama from past seasons. And I did like the create a dish twist.

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            debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:36 PM

            When Stephen was going on and on at Marea, I was wondering if he was getting the PYKAG edit, so I was thrilled with the "tastes like a head shop" comment.

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              LindaWhit RE: debbiel Dec 15, 2010 06:37 PM

              Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I thought when I wrote above how delicious it would be to have both Stephen AND Marcel out, since both seemed to be getting early camera time - have the Elves revealed their hand early?

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                Siun RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:54 PM

                Hoping you are right ... I really want TIffany and Dale L to survive this one! They are both much better chefs than the S&M pair.

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                  LindaWhit RE: Siun Dec 15, 2010 06:55 PM

                  Well, we know Marcel lives to be a snot another day!

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                    Siun RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 07:00 PM

                    Damn! Dale L is such a good chef ... and neat guy ... it's awful he goes when Marcel stays.

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                  tldmatrix RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 01:27 PM

                  Tiffani should have went home. Im happy to see Dale and Stephen leave though.
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                  Siun RE: debbiel Dec 15, 2010 06:39 PM

                  You'd think he's know by now that this group of fellow chefs are not impressed by his dining habits? and his fashion comments were ... amusing. He always seems like a maitre d' from an overpriced resto in the 70s.

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                    phee RE: Siun Dec 16, 2010 08:00 AM

                    I think your last line is spot on.

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                  debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:48 PM

                  Not Angelo. Not Angelo. Not Angelo. Please.

                  <phew> And congrats Dale. I so wanted to try that dish, and I'm mostly a vegetarian.

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                    LindaWhit RE: debbiel Dec 15, 2010 06:54 PM

                    Not Angelo. They heard you. :-)

                    NOW I'm saying "Not Tiffani. Not Tiffani. Not Tiffani. Please!"

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                      debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:56 PM

                      I am saying the same now Linda.

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                    debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 06:54 PM

                    Line I do not ever want to hear on Top Chef again: I think Stephen got a little over excited.

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                      debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 07:02 PM

                      LOVED that Zeppelin-Page line! I'm also bummed about Dale, but oh so glad to see Stephen go. With the 4 that were in the bottom, I knew I wanted Stephen to go and Tiffani to stay. I was going to be a bit bummed about either Fabio or Dale, but I didn't see either of them going particularly far.

                      Thanks for another great recap Linda!

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                        smkit RE: debbiel Dec 15, 2010 07:27 PM

                        OT. That show after Top Chef All-Stars with Tom Colicchio and Amy Sedaris talking about Top Chef is hilarious.

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                          debbiel RE: smkit Dec 15, 2010 07:34 PM

                          I'm taping it for tomorrow. Love Tom. Love Amy Sedaris.

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                            momjamin RE: smkit Dec 16, 2010 03:43 AM

                            It was pretty funny, but I'da rather seen the repeat at 11, since I missed the first bit of the 10 o'clock episode. Not that there won't be another opportunity...

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                              LindaWhit RE: smkit Dec 16, 2010 04:28 AM

                              I saw about half of it - VERY funny with Amy Sedaris's ummm...."concoction" she made on set. :-)

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                                ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 08:39 AM

                                I saw about half of it - VERY funny with Amy Sedaris's ummm...."concoction" she made on set. :-)

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                                Was that not the most phallic looking thing to ever appear on a non-porno TV show?

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                                  LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Dec 16, 2010 09:22 AM

                                  YES! Andy was loving it, and you could see Tom trying NOT to look at it as he was answering Andy...and then a big FAIL! as he'd start laughing after glancing over at what she was doing. :-D

                                  I actually thought *before* Amy said it "Why is she using mayonnaise? Wouldn't whipped cream be more appropriate?" and the voila! She said the same thing. :-)

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                                phee RE: smkit Dec 16, 2010 08:05 AM

                                We enjoyed the after-show, too, but did Andy seem WAY over the top to anyone else?

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                                  Ruth Lafler RE: phee Dec 16, 2010 08:39 AM

                                  Andy is always way over the top -- it's his schtick. I loved the whole "are chefs stoners" discussion!

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                                    momjamin RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 08:52 AM

                                    With the smoky effect ;-)

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                                    HabaneroJane RE: phee Dec 16, 2010 09:01 AM

                                    Best part about Top Chef last night was the apres show w/Colicchio and Amy Sedaris. The blind taste test was hilarious. Amy was hilarious. Was nice to see Tom not so serious for a change. He also spoke to Jen Carroll briefly on the phone and he said he was glad she stood up for herself even though her elimination was a huge shock. The viewers' poll voted Dale L as second most surprising ousting. I liked him. He was funny and creative, but that French toast veal popcorn concoction sounded nauseating.

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                                Siun RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 07:25 PM

                                Worth watching the Watch What Happens afterwords too with Tom C and Amy Sederis ... great fun (and cheered me up after they sent Dale L home). It is shown again later tonight after the rerun btw.

                                1. mariacarmen RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 10:29 PM

                                  i thought this was one of the most exciting episodes in many seasons. very enjoyable, great to see them all working so hard during the EC, and having only 10-15 minutes to prepare great dishes, and succeed.

                                  i thought it would be two of Fabio, Jamie or Dale L. I was really impressed by the fact that the judges were so impressed with the other Dale's dish - how interesting that even the broth tasted like breakfast. i would have loved to taste that too. Fabio was way out of his comfort zone, Dale L's dish was just silly. I liked Dale L, but he didn't self edit - even Casey saw he was going way overboard.

                                  Thanks again, Linda!

                                  Watching the colicchio/sedaris wrap-up. Jen called in to talk to Colicchio - of course it was a total love fest, a week later. Amy wasn't buying it. Love Amy Sedaris. Someone wrote in and accused her of stealing their "recipe" for candle salad - a godawful concoction of pineapple rings with a phallic banana sticking out of it, tipped with mayo and crowned with a maraschino cherry. i actually DID see that in Penzey's catalog, which is what the emailer said, but Amy said it was a recipe she learned in Girl Scouts.

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                                    chicgail RE: mariacarmen Dec 16, 2010 12:46 AM

                                    <<Fabio was way out of his comfort zone>>

                                    I love Fabio, but that's the problem: He is a one-trick pony with a very small comfort zone. If it's not pasta he's in trouble.

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                                      roxlet RE: chicgail Dec 16, 2010 02:59 AM

                                      Maybe a more broad one trick pony -- if it'"s not Italian, it's not in his comfort zone. This year he HAS made pasta a lot, but I don't recall that was his complete thing first time around. I wasn't surprised to hear him say that Vietnamese wasn't his thing, but I was surprised that he said that French wasn't his thing as well...

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                                        jbw RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 02:26 PM

                                        Actually I believe he won (or came close) to winning an elimination challenge with his roast chicken. Good Italian cooking is traditionally based on using the best ingredients prepared simply without a huge amount of ornamentation, and unfortunately for Fabio he is often out of his comfort zone when anything "nouvelle" or "ethnic" is at issue. If I recall, he had problems with traditional American dishes as well, and anything pan-Asian is going to be a stretch for him

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                                          JuniorBalloon RE: jbw Dec 16, 2010 02:42 PM

                                          Yes Fabio won the day he broke his finger and made his grandmas roast chicken for Lydia Batianich.

                                          jb

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                                      ChefJune RE: mariacarmen Dec 16, 2010 06:26 AM

                                      that candle salad recipe was in '"Miss B's First Cookbook" way back in the early 50's. The crooked banana made it really hilarious.

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                                        LindaWhit RE: ChefJune Dec 16, 2010 06:34 AM

                                        Is it *really* called a "candle salad"? And if so, why?

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                                          mariacarmen RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 07:19 AM

                                          because the banana looks like a candle in it's candle holder (pineapple ring), with the cherry as a flame. "salad" because it sits on a bed of lettuce. it's ridiculous! what i can't believe is that it was featured in the Penzey spice catalog. Some customer sent it in with a picture, I believe.

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                                            momjamin RE: mariacarmen Dec 16, 2010 08:53 AM

                                            Presumably for family gatherings you would use half of a straighter banana to make it look more like a candle.... Well, depending on "you" and "your family" I guess.

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                                              lizzy RE: mariacarmen Dec 16, 2010 09:58 AM

                                              Yes, we had a good laugh over the Penzey's catalog in my house. Not only did they feature the candle salad, but there is a picture of the husband and wife next to the salad. His name is Dick, and, no, I am not making this up.

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                                                Divamac RE: lizzy Dec 16, 2010 05:43 PM

                                                I thought the same thing when I saw it. Here's a pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/girlhack...

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                                                  jeanmarieok RE: Divamac Dec 16, 2010 07:28 PM

                                                  Ha - the picture is so funny! This recipe was in one of my first cookbooks.

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                                          Ruth Lafler RE: mariacarmen Dec 16, 2010 08:43 AM

                                          Jen called in to talk to Colicchio - of course it was a total love fest, a week later.
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                                          Except for them it wasn't a week later -- the incident happened several months ago and they've both had time to get over any hard feelings. At least Jen handled it better than Elia, who deservedly got raked over the coals once again for her post-elimination attitude.

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                                            sharonlouk RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 12:02 PM

                                            Speaking of Elia, did you see Eric Ripert's smackdown of her on his video blog on Bravo?

                                        3. JasmineG RE: LindaWhit Dec 15, 2010 11:16 PM

                                          What a fun episode. I'm really enjoying this season. Most of the dishes looked fantastic, and Dale's breakfast egg and pork dish sounds amazing and I wish I was eating it right now.

                                          How funny was Carla in the stew room? "Y'all should have seen me with that circulator!" She's a delight.

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                                            ALLDAYYY RE: JasmineG Dec 16, 2010 12:19 AM

                                            marcel haters here. can't stand the guy, think hes the second most obnoxious person , but hes a good chef no denying that. oh and i really thought tiffani shoulda got axed over dale.

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                                              chicgail RE: ALLDAYYY Dec 16, 2010 12:49 AM

                                              Who is it you think Marcel is "second most obnoxious" to? IOW, who is more obnoxious than Marcel? Stephen is just pompous and silly. Marcel has a nasty streak.

                                              I was also really surprised at the outcome. I thought it was going to be Tiffani and Fabio this time and I was wrong on both counts.

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                                                cowboyardee RE: chicgail Dec 16, 2010 09:58 AM

                                                I thought after the first judges table segment that it would be Dale and Stephen going home. The big giveaways, to me at least, were that their criticisms of Dale and Stephen's dishes were that the dishes didn't taste good, whereas their criticisms of Tiffani and Fabio were directed more at their thought processes. None of the problems with Tiffani's or Fabio's dishes sounded as bad as serving dessert with a veal chop or a salmon dish that 'tastes like a head shop.'

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                                                  foodseek RE: chicgail Dec 16, 2010 05:56 PM

                                                  I think Season 2 with Ilan and Elia along with Marcel was the most mean spirited group of chefs the series has had to endure. Although Marcel was supposedly the one everyone loved to hate on-I found Elia and Ilan just as obnoxious. I was glad when Elia was sent packing the first episode -she was really my least favorite chef of all time.

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                                                    John E. RE: foodseek Dec 16, 2010 06:25 PM

                                                    If season 2 was the most mean spirited then season 6 was a very close second most mean spirited.

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                                                      NellyNel RE: foodseek Dec 17, 2010 06:07 AM

                                                      Foodseek!
                                                      I am so with you!

                                                      I just watched a re-reun from season 2 and Betty, Elia and Ilan were unbelievably obnoxious. I almost couldnt take watching it.
                                                      I was shocked to find at that time, most people bought into their "Marcel is an ass*ole" thing.
                                                      Marcel seems annoying in character, but not evil.

                                                      Elia, I, agree has got to be IMO the most obnoxious TC ever!! BY FAR!!

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                                                        AMFM RE: NellyNel Dec 17, 2010 03:50 PM

                                                        so glad i'm not the only one who felt that way. PLENTY of others have been cocky pricks, admittedly. or a bit whiny. but that is SO not the same as mean-spirited.

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                                                          ladybugthepug RE: AMFM Dec 17, 2010 04:03 PM

                                                          But what do you guys think about when they say, "I'm just playing the game."? I was watching the show that came on after Wednesday's episode. Tom Colicchio was on with Amy Sedaris (very funny) and someone asked what he thought about Angelo? and he paused a while and then said something like "Well......he's playing the game."

                                                          I realize its a competition, but it just seems so counter to what happens in most kitchens.

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                                                            Caitlin McGrath RE: ladybugthepug Dec 17, 2010 04:12 PM

                                                            I don't think that it is an indication of what they're like in everyday life or work, but simply that they realize that they are on what is essentially a game show, and are playing to win, which demands a bit of strategy. Some versions of that are completely defensible (catering to the judges' tastes), and others are a little lower (choosing an ingredient solely so it's not available to other contestants).

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                                                      burgeoningfoodie RE: chicgail Dec 17, 2010 07:44 AM

                                                      Hung despite his skills was fairly obnoxious, Robin was fairly obnoxious (from Season Voltaggio), Alex was ... well I don't know what he was... One of my favorites was the guy that was in Spike's season who got kicked off for making the Healthy Sushi rolls. We loved calling him Potty Mouth because he would always curse. He wasn't the best chef but he was fun to watch and listen to.

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                                                        John E. RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 17, 2010 08:05 AM

                                                        That was Andrew. I found him to be more annoying than clever.

                                                        As far as Marcell goes for his season, don't you have to wonder about his behavior that we didn't see on TV? He must have been even worse than he was in the video we saw to get that many people to despise him, including Sam who seemed to be pretty even-keeled. From a podcast on this website I learned that he broke a $300 pair of sunglasses of Frank's, agreed to replace them and never did.

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                                                          momjamin RE: John E. Dec 17, 2010 12:49 PM

                                                          I agree that there must be something about Marcel that sets off everyone, even if it didn't totally come across on TV. Sam is a good example. And there was a S1 v S2 special where even low-key Harold was telling him to grow up about 15 minutes after meeting him. (OK, I'm sure it was slightly more than 15 minutes in real time, but it wasn't like they'd spent a whole season living in the same house.)

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                                                            Miss Needle RE: momjamin Dec 17, 2010 01:25 PM

                                                            Oh most definitely. I actually had a lot of sympathy for Marcel in Season 2. He seemed to be misunderstood. It wasn't until I saw him in those TC specials and in episodes where they brought him back where I realized he was quite a twit. I definitely think they edited out the more annoying parts of him in that season. My opinion of Marcel is that he's an instigator of many arguments.

                                                            And, yes, if Harold, one of the most level-headed people around on Top Chef tells him to pipe down, something must have been up with Marcel.

                                                            I've got a feeling Marcel will be causing some drama down the road (if he lasts that long). There was a preview hinting it. Remember how we didn't see the drama with Lisa Fernandez until about 4-5 episodes later.

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                                                          LindaWhit RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 17, 2010 08:48 AM

                                                          Robin was fairly obnoxious (from Season Voltaggio)
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                                                          As was Eli. They fed off of their intense dislike of each other, and IMO, just made themselves look like tools.

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                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 09:11 AM

                                                            Not to mention we only have Michael Voltaggio's word for the fact that Robin owed all her success to him. Unfortunately, a kind of clique mentality often occurs in situations where a group of strangers are forced to both live and work together. On Season 6 of Top Chef it seemed like a group of the younger men developed sort of a frathouse mentality and Robin took on (or fell into) the "housemother" role, instead of all of them treating each other like colleagues.

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                                                              LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 17, 2010 09:17 AM

                                                              Yup. And hadn't Eli worked with Michael V. or Mike I. in the past? Familiarity breeds contempt - in this case, contempt for Robin.

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                                                                Caitlin McGrath RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 12:57 PM

                                                                Eli had worked under Blais (he is from Atlanta).

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                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 18, 2010 05:20 AM

                                                                  That's it. Thanks, Caitlin.

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                                                              Bellachefa RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 11:36 AM

                                                              I forgot all about Eli, the evil little smurf! But unlike Lisa, he was at least good for a laugh.

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                                                              chicgail RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 17, 2010 11:45 AM

                                                              I never thought Robin was that obnoxious until and after everyone in the house started ganging up on her and shutting her out. I know that wasn't without reason but they looked like a lot of kids not still complete with their mothers, taking it out on someone else.

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                                                            debbiel RE: ALLDAYYY Dec 16, 2010 03:57 AM

                                                            I think Tiffani had a dish they felt had a good basic foundation but suffered because she failed to edit. Don't freeze the melons and she might not have been in the bottom. Dale's was just a mess, it seemed. Poor concept, poor execution.

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                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: ALLDAYYY Dec 17, 2010 09:35 AM

                                                              I'm going to defend Marcel here, using some of the comments made on the producer's blog: "... he is just so passionate about cooking, and it's such a pleasure to watch. As opposed to some of the other chefs who complain about everything, I cracked up when he said how much fun he was having during the Relay Race challenge. He just loves being in a kitchen, loves the challenges, and loves the competition, and I think it's so refreshing. So, no matter what you might think of him, he loves what he does."

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                                                                John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 17, 2010 03:40 PM

                                                                I don't recall anyone questioning his passion for cooking. I've said this before, but what I find mildly annoying is that Marcel thinks the other contestants have contempt for him because they are threatened by his cooking talent.

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                                                                  lizzy RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 18, 2010 07:51 AM

                                                                  While I agree with everything that was said above, I also think Marcel having fun during the relay came across as childlike. I don't normally think that there is anything wrong with being childlike, but I do think in this case it reinforces the argument that Marcel needs to grow up.

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                                                                    Miss Needle RE: lizzy Dec 18, 2010 08:29 AM

                                                                    I got the feeling Marcel was really happy about the relay because he was able to show off his lamb technique. If it was a task like chopping onions, he may not have been as giddy.

                                                                    And, yes, I definitely can't stand how Marcel thinks people don't like him because they are threatened by him. He kept saying that throughout Season 2 and I'm also seeing it this time around. He may be stating that because it's easier to say that than saying people just don't like him. But if that's how he really feels, I think he's delusional.

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                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: Miss Needle Dec 18, 2010 09:13 AM

                                                                      I think a lot of that is for the camera -- he always seems to have a little twinkle in his eye when he says some thing like that. Anyway, if we disliked every competitor on Top Chef who was arrogant when it came to his cooking we wouldn't have many contestants to like.

                                                                      To me he's much less annoying than Mike I. As someone else said, unlike some of these other guys he's annoying but he isn't mean.

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                                                                        goodhealthgourmet RE: Miss Needle Dec 18, 2010 02:15 PM

                                                                        "I got the feeling Marcel was really happy about the relay because he was able to show off his lamb technique. "
                                                                        ~~~~~~~~~
                                                                        well, i may find him to be extremely annoying, but i thought that technique was pretty darned cool! first thing in a very long time that i've learned from watching TC and actually want to do in my own kitchen :)

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                                                                  momjamin RE: JasmineG Dec 16, 2010 03:20 AM

                                                                  Loved Carla's advice to the bottom four, too. <Fight for your dishes> but be nice!

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                                                                    LindaWhit RE: momjamin Dec 16, 2010 04:31 AM

                                                                    That comment from Carla HAD to have come as a result of Jennifer's comments last week to the judges! Also loved her comment re: using the circulator - looks like everyone got a kick out of that as well!

                                                                    BTW, Jennifer Carroll called into the live show hosted by Andy Cohen right after TC - and she apologized to Tom for her attitude, and Tom said he totally understood where she was coming from. So it sounds like Jen's all good with this whole thing - or at least has her temper under control by now. :-)

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                                                                      Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 05:58 AM

                                                                      Did you here someone (I think it was Antonia), as I wasn't looking at the TV at that moment, yell out, "Don't pull a Jen" after Carla made that comment?

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                                                                        piccola RE: Miss Needle Dec 16, 2010 06:52 AM

                                                                        Yeah, that really happened. You're not imagining things. :)

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                                                                          LindaWhit RE: piccola Dec 16, 2010 07:20 AM

                                                                          Whoa. I missed that one! (obviously! LOL)

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                                                                          Wtg2Retire RE: Miss Needle Dec 18, 2010 10:52 AM

                                                                          I did not get to see the 3rd episode until a rerun this morning. I purposely did not read this review, because I did not want to know who ended up packing their knives. So am only today reading this string.

                                                                          And yes, Antonia did say, "Don't pull a Jen." It was in a lower tone of voice.

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                                                                      Bloombee RE: JasmineG Dec 16, 2010 06:27 AM

                                                                      Great line from Carla re: the circulator - couldnt help but smile

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                                                                        Pylon RE: JasmineG Dec 16, 2010 01:19 PM

                                                                        Guh. Can't stand Carla. Will be glad when she is gone. Angelo as well.

                                                                        Marcel amuses me, I'll have to admit.

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                                                                          karenfinan RE: Pylon Dec 16, 2010 01:23 PM

                                                                          can't stand Carla??????? wow, you are in a minority for sure. She seems to have the best attitude and personality on the program, imho

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                                                                            roxlet RE: karenfinan Dec 16, 2010 03:12 PM

                                                                            Agree, agree, agree! I love Carla. I said it last time around and I'll say it again -- I'd love to be her BFF, hang, cook, and hootie-hoo. She has an amazing aura of serenity that I love.

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                                                                              jujuthomas RE: roxlet Dec 17, 2010 05:10 AM

                                                                              <<I'd love to be her BFF, hang, cook, and hootie-hoo. She has an amazing aura of serenity that I love.>>
                                                                              ITA! love her attitude. :)

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                                                                              LindaWhit RE: karenfinan Dec 16, 2010 03:16 PM

                                                                              Didn't like Carla at the beginning of her season, but she most definitely grew on me, and I do enjoy her! I don't think she'll win, but she could surprise us all!

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                roxlet RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 03:24 PM

                                                                                Yes, I think she was surprising people during her first season. She definitely flies under the radar.

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                                                                                  jeanmarieok RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 03:59 PM

                                                                                  Ditto - took her awhile to grow on me, but I think she's a really interesting competitor. I don't put her in the same category as some of the other winners though. I hope she goes far.

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                                                                                    MplsM ary RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 06:27 PM

                                                                                    I wasn't a Carla fan at the beginning of her season either. The Elves made it really tough to take her seriously because they kept giving her the whackado edit - crazy quick flashes of her looking flustered and all her soundbites were out of context and at a 90 degree angle from what everybody else was talking about. Then she started doing well and they started showing clips of her talking to camera instead of the disjointed voiceovers. Suddenly she wasn't crazy anymore but rather fun and her food thoughtful and seemingly tasty. Damned Elves :)

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                                                                                      Parrotgal RE: MplsM ary Dec 17, 2010 11:50 AM

                                                                                      I agree that they changed their editing of her. I ended up liking her a lot too. Hard for me to understand not liking her.

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                                                                                        Miss Needle RE: MplsM ary Dec 17, 2010 01:27 PM

                                                                                        I don't know. It seems that I'm the lone person who loved Carla from the beginning. But I do have a thing for wacky people. : )

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                                                                                          roxlet RE: Miss Needle Dec 17, 2010 02:21 PM

                                                                                          I loved her from the beginning too, Miss Needle!

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                                                                                            Miss Needle RE: roxlet Dec 17, 2010 02:34 PM

                                                                                            Oh, I'm glad that I wasn't alone in that assessment. She really is a great role model! One can learn a lot from her.

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                                                                                              mariacarmen RE: Miss Needle Dec 17, 2010 03:02 PM

                                                                                              i love her too!

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                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: mariacarmen Dec 17, 2010 03:26 PM

                                                                                                OMG! I never, and I mean NEVER do anything like this. But after Season 5, I actually wrote her a piece of fan mail.

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                                                                                                  roxlet RE: Miss Needle Dec 17, 2010 06:18 PM

                                                                                                  Haha! I LOVE that, Mss Needle!

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                                                                                            Wtg2Retire RE: Miss Needle Dec 18, 2010 10:54 AM

                                                                                            I'm with you, Miss Needle. I always hated the judges making snide comments about what Carla would say in defense of her dishes. It was apparent from the beginning that she truly loves what she does.

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                                                                                              thew RE: Wtg2Retire Dec 21, 2010 05:51 AM

                                                                                              loving what one does does not make them immune from criticism or mistakes

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                                                                                                John E. RE: Wtg2Retire Dec 21, 2010 09:06 AM

                                                                                                Carla's putting bad food out 'with love' thing was kind of annoying to me.

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                                                                                        Pylon RE: Pylon Dec 17, 2010 06:27 PM

                                                                                        I'm glad she does something for you all, but finding out she would be on this season was really disappointing.

                                                                                        I can't say what it is. Some of it is the "wacky" edits, and there seem to be two sets of edits for her. The "serious" ones are easier to take, for sure.

                                                                                        I guess to me she comes off as fake and very "LOOK AT ME!!!" in a lot of her single shots. Blech.

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                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: Pylon Dec 17, 2010 06:50 PM

                                                                                          "I'm glad she does something for you all, but finding out she would be on this season was really disappointing."
                                                                                          ~~~~~~~
                                                                                          i think we've all got our choices for that dubious honor, and you're certainly entitled to feel that way about Carla. we don't all like or root for the same chefs - where's the fun in that? :)

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                                                                                            Pylon RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 18, 2010 07:30 AM

                                                                                            Couldn't agree more. :)

                                                                                    2. roxlet RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 03:03 AM

                                                                                      I was not a fan of either Stephen or Dale, so I wasn't sorry to see them pack their knives. I knew somehow that Tiffani wasn't going home -- no way were they going to cut three female chefs in three weeks. And, while Fabio's dish was not in the Ma Peche style, it seemed that it wasn't as egregious as Dale's or Stephen's. At the end of the day, from an entertainment point of view, I would have had Fabio stay as well. After all, we're still waiting for this season's first great bon mot from him!

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                                                                                        Joanie RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 03:34 AM

                                                                                        I'm surprised everyone thought Stephen was a sure bet to leave. The judges thought the fish was cooked great and the pesto was done well but it had that weird taste. Concept okay, a couple too many items. Whereas they said Tiffany's was an insult to WD50 and was mushy on top of that. Dale's was a bad concept and no one could get past the sweetness. Fabio's was just a bit of a mess plus the lamb was fatty. I thought for sure it would be Tiffany and between Dale or Fabio and Stephen would get by for another round.

                                                                                        Didn't 15 min seem like a ridiculously tiny about of time to cook, even if you had all 15 min?

                                                                                        Did anyone notice the way Richard Blais ate his food? He was shoveling it in like he hadn't had nourishment in days.

                                                                                        Marcel, I've got your back. There's something about the guy that makes me smile.

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                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: Joanie Dec 16, 2010 04:34 AM

                                                                                          I did notice that re: Blais and the way he ate. It was rather unappetizing.

                                                                                          As for Marcel, it'll be interesting to see how long he lasts. I just don't think he's going to continue to make it. Even based on what the judges were saying about his dish cooked at WD-50, it wasn't as good as everyone had expected.

                                                                                          But it does seem like Angelo's in the sights of everyone next week! I'll have to catch up to the preview videos on the Bravo site tonight.

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                                                                                            chicgail RE: Joanie Dec 16, 2010 04:37 AM

                                                                                            I thought everyone they showed eating looked ravenous. Maybe they hadn't fed them all day.

                                                                                            But you piqued my curiosity. What is it about Marcel that you like? Would you want to be his friend? Eat his food? Would you date him or pal around with him?

                                                                                            He occurs for me as very insecure, but that there's a real nastiness with which he covers it up, like he wouldn't mind being hurtful if it make him feel better about himself.

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                                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: chicgail Dec 16, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                                              I also noticed for the first time that Tom eats left-handed (with his fork in his left hand). I guess we don't often see them actually forking the food into their mouths (face it, no one looks great doing that!).

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                                                                                                roxlet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 10:21 AM

                                                                                                What I notice about Tom's eating is that he's got that weird way of holding his fork where all your fingers are on the top of the handle and the thumb is on the bottom. Whenever I see people eating that way I always think that their mother never showed them the proper way to hold their cutlery.

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                                                                                                  huiray RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 10:37 AM

                                                                                                  I haven't heard that way of eating (fork in left hand) being called "left handed" before...Interesting. Tom is right-handed, I believe.

                                                                                                  [Eating with fork in the left hand and knife in the right hand, without putting down the knife and switching the fork to the right hand (which is 'American- style') is the way a lot of the rest of the world eats, and is the common way of eating in Europe, as of course you know, and I have tended to think of it as "European-style". I eat this way myself...][Fork in left hand, spoon in right hand - is a common way in SE Asia][There is at least one very long thread on this subject on Chowhound itself]

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                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: huiray Dec 16, 2010 11:06 AM

                                                                                                    True. But he wasn't holding the fork the way a person who eats European style (as I do most of the time when not in a formal setting) does. It looked very awkward, which is why I noticed it.

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                                                                                                      roxlet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 11:24 AM

                                                                                                      It is exceedingly awkward-looking.

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                                                                                                        Caitlin McGrath RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 02:45 PM

                                                                                                        I can't find it, but there was a whole thread a couple of years ago about the strange way Tom holds his fork, which people referred to as "pen-style" IIRC.

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                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 16, 2010 04:12 PM

                                                                                                          Yeah. IIRC he was holding it with his fingers wrapped around it like a pen very close to the .. uh .. fork end and with the tines curving up -- similar to the way I would hold a fork in my right hand (I'm right handed) instead of holding it close to the "butt" end of the handle with the tines curving down and one finger guiding it on top, the way a European holds a fork in the left hand (funny, I had to get a fork out and look at how I hold it each hand, since I don't do it consciously). That must be why it struck me as eating left handed (that is, holding it in his left hand the way I would in my right) rather than using it European style.

                                                                                                          Poor Tom! I'd hate to have every aspect of my eating habits under a microscope, discussed by thousands of people with apparently nothing more important to do!

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                                                                                                        huiray RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                                                        Hmm. I need to watch the episode again.

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                                                                                                    Joanie RE: chicgail Dec 16, 2010 09:15 AM

                                                                                                    I guess I think it would be fun to "pal around with him" but yeah, maybe he would stab me in the back. I didn't mind him during his season and while he certainly seems a little weasly, I don't think he's evil. Maybe I like Marcel cuz everyone else hates him and I don't think he deserves the venom people seem to have for him.

                                                                                                    I agree with Miss Needle that Stephen's good for laughs and Dale seems like a genuinely fun guy, so sad to see them go. Can't wait to see the eater.com wrap up of Stephen's exit.

                                                                                                    I too was surprised the show wasn't one of the 15 min longer ones. Totally agree it felt rushed and it was a quick judges tables considering everything that went on.

                                                                                                    And forgot to say I was super surprised it was Antonia and not Casey who got best dish in that group. They seemed to love Casey's haddock and the idea of making it look like a scallop and A's dish didn't get that much love (or so it seemed).

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                                                                                                      NellyNel RE: chicgail Dec 17, 2010 05:51 AM

                                                                                                      Really?
                                                                                                      I don't see Marcel that way at all.
                                                                                                      Just an insecure guy who may been irritating - but certainly not malicious.

                                                                                                      And I'd also add, that he seems to be getting on rather well with this group of chefs.

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                                                                                                      JasmineG RE: Joanie Dec 16, 2010 08:05 AM

                                                                                                      In this EW blog, Padma says that Stephen's food was "the most revolting thing" http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/12/16/pad... and was basically inedible.

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                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: JasmineG Dec 16, 2010 09:27 AM

                                                                                                        This description of Padma's REALLY says what it was like!

                                                                                                        "The presentation was quite beautiful and I will give him credit for that because that’s important, too, especially when you’re at one of the best restaurants in New York City. But it was so perfume-y and had a bitter after-taste. It tasted like potpourri, almost with an herbal shampoo quality. You know when you open your mouth in the shower and you get just a little water with shampoo? It was like that. "

                                                                                                        Interesting how she also points out that Fabio knows and does one kind of food, Italian.

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                                                                                                      Miss Needle RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 06:02 AM

                                                                                                      Just from an entertainment perspective, I was sorry that they both left. Stephen's obnoxious candor cracks me up (in his exit interview, he said that he just did this for PR purposes) and Dale L can be very witty.

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                                                                                                        Parrotgal RE: Miss Needle Dec 16, 2010 09:27 AM

                                                                                                        Obnoxious candor is a very good description! I came to enjoy him, and if you recall, when he was sous cheffing in the finale he turned out to be a fairly nice guy.

                                                                                                        Marcel, on the other hand, is completely clueless and self-involved, possibly a relatively high functioning sociopath.

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                                                                                                        piccola RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 06:53 AM

                                                                                                        What, you didn't like his crack about Angelo's pants?

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                                                                                                          DGresh RE: piccola Dec 16, 2010 10:30 AM

                                                                                                          So what exactly did he mean by that? ("He wears his pants a bit too tight" or something along those lines). Is that a euphemism for something that I just haven't heard?

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                                                                                                            HabaneroJane RE: DGresh Dec 16, 2010 10:31 AM

                                                                                                            methinks it was a gay reference. his sexuality was suspect on the DC season too> I wonder whatever happened to his Russian "girlfriend"

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                                                                                                              huiray RE: HabaneroJane Dec 17, 2010 06:49 AM

                                                                                                              Hmm... I looked up images of Angelo and Fabio via Google - and it looks like Angelo does tend to wear skinny jeans/closer fitting pants whereas Fabio wears looser fit jeans/pants, at least in the pics that turn up. I can't say I noticed before! Maybe Fabio just has a 'thing' about guys in tight pants? I wondered about that comment too. If Fabio thinks those are tight pants he hasn't really seen tight pants!

                                                                                                              Hmm#2...If he was, indeed, making a 'gay' reference that would lower his (Fabio) standing in my estimation. [Some folks do indeed call wearing tight pants 'gay' - an objectionable slur, in my view]

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                                                                                                                cowboyardee RE: huiray Dec 17, 2010 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                I'm pretty sure he's just referencing Angelo's jeans, which are notoriously skinny for a man his age. I don't think Angelo's heterosexuality has been suspect before HabJane started wondering aloud - last season the buzz was whether he had a crush on Tamesha.

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                                                                                                              piccola RE: DGresh Dec 17, 2010 04:16 PM

                                                                                                              I thought he was making a hipster joke...

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                                                                                                                soypower RE: DGresh Dec 19, 2010 11:06 AM

                                                                                                                I thought Fabio was trying to say that Angelo was uptight/stressing out. Like he's wound too tightly?

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                                                                                                                  Bellachefa RE: soypower Dec 19, 2010 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                  you could be right on this one! Fabio does use odd phrases.

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                                                                                                              huiray RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 10:52 AM

                                                                                                              In the meanwhile, have you ever seen this collection of "quotes" and conversational snippets from TC?
                                                                                                              http://www.thefullwiki.org/Top_Chef

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                                                                                                                jcattles RE: huiray Dec 16, 2010 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                Thanks for sharing that. Some of the quotes I've forgotten about.

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                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: huiray Dec 16, 2010 03:44 PM

                                                                                                                  what a great link! i had forgotten about a lot of these - thanks for posting it.

                                                                                                                  one of my favorites:

                                                                                                                  "Stephen: I could've got the food out on time if I wasn't at the table explaining about where Rueda is in location to Rioja."

                                                                                                                  classic Stephen :)

                                                                                                                  ETA, i just read through them all and realized it stops partway through season 4, which is a bummer - the best one from S4 was missing - Andrew's "i have a culinary boner!" and from season 3, Bourdain :"That dish approached the consistency of doll head."

                                                                                                              2. LindaWhit RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 04:40 AM

                                                                                                                BTW, I forgot to ask this last night as I was writing the OP.....

                                                                                                                Who was the other judge for the EC - the woman? I totally missed that and, of course, she gets no mention because of it. :-)

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                                                                                                                  centralpadiner RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 05:17 AM

                                                                                                                  I forget her name, but she is a restaurant editor for Food + Wine mag. IIRC

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                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: centralpadiner Dec 16, 2010 06:14 AM

                                                                                                                    Kate Krader.

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                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 16, 2010 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                      Doesn't register with me, which is probably why my brain skipped over it last night. ;-)

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                                                                                                                    sommrluv RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                    Does everyone who works at food and wine have to look & dress like Dana? Her, Kate Krader, and Gail SImmons all look like they could be related.

                                                                                                                  3. mattstolz RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 05:46 AM

                                                                                                                    was so happy with how this episode went overall! the team that won the quickfire was definitely my favorite team, and i've been ready for Stephen to go home since the first challenge. Dale L. isnt really my favorite either. I just wish both Tre AND Richard could have been in the top four dishes! haha

                                                                                                                    interested to know what became of the plagiarism thing though

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                                                                                                                      huiray RE: mattstolz Dec 16, 2010 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                      "interested to know what became of the plagiarism thing though"
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                                                                                                                      http://www.chow.com/food-news/2821/is...
                                                                                                                      http://www.wired.com/underwire/2007/0...
                                                                                                                      http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2007/05...
                                                                                                                      http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/the...

                                                                                                                      I can't find the reference at the moment, but I seem to remember also reading somewhere else that Wylie himself tried to defuse the whole situation, in a kind of defense of Marcel, by saying something along the lines of his getting the idea himself (or ideas, in a general sense?) from Ferran Adria so Marcel did nothing that he didn't do himself...

                                                                                                                    2. ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 08:41 AM

                                                                                                                      Based on the reviews, I thought Tiffani would be eliminated and not Dale L.

                                                                                                                      Was Padma going to a Toga party after the show?

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                                                                                                                        tofuburrito RE: ipsedixit Dec 16, 2010 09:53 AM

                                                                                                                        "Was Padma going to a Toga party after the show?"

                                                                                                                        She had no problems getting a cab the second she walked out onto the sidewalk.

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                                                                                                                          ipsedixit RE: tofuburrito Dec 16, 2010 10:10 AM

                                                                                                                          I think that was a dedicated Top Chef Judges' cab. Did you notice the "No Service" sign was up on that cab?

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                                                                                                                            roxlet RE: tofuburrito Dec 16, 2010 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                            What was the point of having that shot in the show? They may have needed a transition to the next restaurant, but really, are we to believe that there aren't town cars standing by, or that the cab wasn't set up before hand?

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                                                                                                                              ipsedixit RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                              What was the point of having that shot in the show?
                                                                                                                              ____________________

                                                                                                                              Toga! Toga!

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                                                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                I don't think most people overthink and analyze things as we do on this board! The yellow cab was there to probably add some NY "flavor" to the scene.

                                                                                                                          2. Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 08:47 AM

                                                                                                                            I didn't hear about Antonia's dish (ETA: guess it was good, as you'll see below!)
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                                                                                                                            They did talk about Antonia's dish, but only briefly (I had to back track the DVR to catch it). They liked the puree and thought the peas and carrots were clever.

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                                                                                                                              dach RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                              Angelo is very interesting to watch operate... He's so different/odd in his personality, but produces great food. Shows his passion in his own distinct way, like a zen food master.

                                                                                                                              I miss his "making love to the food", "sensual white chocolate", "tastes so sexy" comments. It would have been perfect for the dish he made this week. :D

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                                                                                                                                HabaneroJane RE: dach Dec 16, 2010 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                Andy or someone asked Tom on WWHL if he thought Angelo was sabotaging his teammates based on the coming attractions for next week's show and Tom just replied, "He's playing the game." I find Angelo to be a one trick pony . Never liked him in his own season. Asian, Asian, Asian. And now, ooh, Asian with white chocolate. Despite what the judges said, that sounded vile.

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                                                                                                                                  dach RE: HabaneroJane Dec 16, 2010 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                  Well, when he's on his "game", he's always at the top. And we can no longer say he was winning QF and EC because his season was weak.

                                                                                                                                  Though he is an Asian specialist, he has complete arsenal of cooking techniques and mastery, and most of his asian creation is nothing you'd find in any restaurant menu, but it works. That's the only way his flavor profiles and techniques can constantly wow the most jaded foodie palettes that are the judges.

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                                                                                                                                    HabaneroJane RE: dach Dec 16, 2010 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                    I noticed that Angelo no longer runs a restaurant but has a consulting company?

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                                                                                                                                    cowboyardee RE: HabaneroJane Dec 16, 2010 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                    "I find Angelo to be a one trick pony . Never liked him in his own season. Asian, Asian, Asian."
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                                                                                                                                    Yeah. There's only one trick in Asia. Why not take a few minutes to learn that simple little trick and then go win Top Chef yourself? The judges seem to still be bamboozled by it (along with nearly 4 billion people).

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                                                                                                                                      HabaneroJane RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 10:12 AM

                                                                                                                                      I didn't say he's not talented, I just find him not that interesting a chef. I don't profess to be a chef either. I just don't think his cooking is all that interesting. 'nuff said!

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                                                                                                                                        cowboyardee RE: HabaneroJane Dec 16, 2010 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                        I didn't take issue with your disliking of Angelo but with your implication that Asian food is some simple homogenized shtick. It's as varied and complicated as food from our half of the globe.

                                                                                                                                        Back on topic - personally I find Angelo's food quite interesting. And actually a good deal more varied than some of his competitors who are never accused of being one-trick ponies.

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                                                                                                                                          ipsedixit RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                          I think it takes more talent to win Top Chef All Stars with just being able to do "Asian" cuisine than being a jack-of-all-trades.

                                                                                                                                          If you are so adept and well-versed in Asian-inspired cuisine that you can adapt your skills to all the varied challenges that Top Chef throws at you, then you really are indeed talented.

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                                                                                                                                            cowboyardee RE: ipsedixit Dec 16, 2010 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                            I might agree. But is that applicable? I don't think Angelo's inspiration is exclusively Asian. I think his inspiration is actually all over the place.

                                                                                                                                            This is hard to argue since Bravo is not posting recipes from this season and those from last season have mysteriously disappeared from their website. But I can cite the dishes he's won with.

                                                                                                                                            His arctic char from the first episode season seven -
                                                                                                                                            In appearances and sensibilities, the dish is Japanese. But the flavors that dominate the dish - chipotle (in the tapioca) and bacon (foam) evoke the Southwest US; dill with arctic char evoke Scandinavia. The technique of making a lechithin foam is molecular gastronomy 101, and certainly not traditional Asian.

                                                                                                                                            Lacquered short rib with pea puree-
                                                                                                                                            In this case, the sensibility and technique is essentially French while the flavors are more varied and often Asian. The pickled mushrooms could have taken their inspiration from many cuisines. The braise (soy, stock, pineapple, ginger) is either Asian fusion or southeast Asian. The pea puree with mint is English.

                                                                                                                                            Ramen with pork belly and watermelon foam-
                                                                                                                                            Obviously, the ramen noodles Japanese inspired (though the noodles weren't, strictly speaking, traditional ramen noodles as far as I know). The braised pork belly had mainly Chinese flavors - soy, hoisin. The watermelon air - the technique was molecular, and I have no idea where the inspiration came from, though generally pork and melon seem to get along. That one is over my head. But I'm pretty sure it wasn't Asian, and it must have completely changed the character of the dish.

                                                                                                                                            The point is that Angelo really seems to be drawing from a lot of places and traditions with his cooking, and about half of them are Western.

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                                                                                                                                              ipsedixit RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                              I agree with you. I should have said, "Even assuming Angelo's cooking is Asian or Asian-influenced etc. ..."

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                                                                                                                                                huiray RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 01:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                Angelo's recipes are still there.
                                                                                                                                                http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                As for HJ's assertion his food is all 'Asian, Asian, Asian', by my count no more than 1/2 to 2/3 of the stuff he put out are clearly identifiable as "Asian", if one takes this term to mean SOUTH-EAST ASIAN-inspired. The rest are "Western" dishes, to me, in broad concordance with your comments.

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                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee RE: huiray Dec 16, 2010 02:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                  thanks for the link. Looks like a lot of his recipes are even more varied and non-Asian than the ones I broke down.

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                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Interesting statement that recipes from last season have disappeared...because they haven't. At least not all of them.

                                                                                                                                                  Angelo's recipes: http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                  Kevin Sbraga's recipes: http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                  You probably have to search by individual, as searching by season tends to have a few other season's recipes sneak in. But they *are* there.

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                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 03:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                    The banana fritters recipe I *am* going to try someday is still there! http://www.bravotv.com/foodies/recipe...

                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: The Dairy Queen Dec 16, 2010 04:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                      TDQ, where ya been?

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                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 04:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                        HA! Since I only started watching Top Chef halfway through last season, I don't have a lot of opinions about anyone yet (except Angelo and Tiffany).

                                                                                                                                                        I was blown away by Jen's exit and did think the "Be nice" and "Don't pull a Jen" comments were pretty funny.

                                                                                                                                                        I really, really would love to try Dale's winning egg dumpling dish. It sounded amazing!

                                                                                                                                                        I love David Chang and thought the Quick Fire was a lot of fun.

                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet RE: The Dairy Queen Dec 16, 2010 05:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                        i had to cringe when i read that recipe title. *Fried* Banana Fritters...what other kind of fritter is there?

                                                                                                                                                        you'd think after all these seasons they might get a clue and start doing a better editing job with the recipes and the screen chirons...apparently not! :)

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                                                                                                                                                          ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 16, 2010 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                          i had to cringe when i read that recipe title. *Fried* Banana Fritters...what other kind of fritter is there?
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                                                                                                                                                          http://www.ifood.tv/r/baked_fritters/...

                                                                                                                                                          :-)

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                                                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 16, 2010 06:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                            click on each recipe in that link and read the ingredients and instructions ;)

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                                                                                                                                                  HabaneroJane RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 10:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I love Asian food and have traveled far and wide to eat the most authentic and inspired. Not saying Asian is boring, just saying Angelo is boring. :)

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                                                                                                                                                    tofuburrito RE: cowboyardee Dec 16, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                    "personally I find Angelo's food quite interesting. And actually a good deal more varied than some of his competitors who are never accused of being one-trick ponies."

                                                                                                                                                    I agree - if I could have any of the current chefs cook a meal for me I'd choose him.

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                                                                                                                                                roxlet RE: HabaneroJane Dec 16, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                I agree with you. When he said "white chocolate," I threw up in my mouth a little.

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                                                                                                                                                  Miss Needle RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 10:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I remember Richard Blais winning a challenge with a fish dish with wasabi and white chocolate in Season 4. Even though it sounds vile, there must be something to it. I wouldn't mind trying it in the context of a tasting menu, but it probably wouldn't be something I would gravitate towards on a menu.

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                                                                                                                                                    HabaneroJane RE: Miss Needle Dec 16, 2010 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                    it sounds as nasty as french toast and veal. maybe if i didnt know the white chocolate was in there, but yeah..i'll pass..

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                                                                                                                                                      tofuburrito RE: Miss Needle Dec 16, 2010 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                      That was was the Willy Wonka dish. The judges loved the chocolate wasabi.

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                                                                                                                                                    huiray RE: HabaneroJane Dec 16, 2010 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Please, let me know, what do you mean when you say 'Asian'?
                                                                                                                                                    Turkish? Persian? Gujarati? Bengali? Szechuanese? Japanese? Shanghainese? Pekinese? Hunanese? Mongolian? Sindhi? Punjabi? Turkmenistani? Tibetan? Bengali? Ceylonese? Cantonese? Malaysian? Indonesian? Northern Siberian? Bihari? Tamil? Singaporean? Malay? Nyonya? Thai? Vietnamese? Javanese? Laotian? Manchurian? Etc etc?
                                                                                                                                                    Just curious...

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                                                                                                                                                      Bellachefa RE: huiray Dec 16, 2010 01:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                      right on!

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                                                                                                                                                        HabaneroJane RE: huiray Dec 16, 2010 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Point well taken! I still don't care for Angelo, but you made the case. I rescind my Asian Asian Asian comment and replace it with, despite his global influences, Angelo as a chef still bores me.

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                                                                                                                                                          huiray RE: HabaneroJane Dec 17, 2010 05:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                          HJ, thanks for your measured response. I myself rather like Angelo, but to each his or her own. I expect you would be unlikely to be a customer of his. So be it.

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                                                                                                                                                            Evilbanana11 RE: HabaneroJane Dec 17, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                            I can understand if his personality bores you but his chef skills? Haters gonna hate... . He's passionate about cooking, has great technical skills, has made great tasting dishes last season and this one. He's constantly impressing the judges and guest judges and is consistently in the top tier on the show. Say what you will about his psychopathic behavior but he's still a great chef IMO.

                                                                                                                                                            btw lol @ Asian cooking = one trick pony. A chef that masters the cuisines of all of Asia is in my mind more versatile than one that knows French, ITalian, Spanish, and American.

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                                                                                                                                                            Evilbanana11 RE: huiray Dec 17, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                            +1 pwned.

                                                                                                                                                      2. bushwickgirl RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 10:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for that great rundown, LW, cause I fell asleep 5 minutes into it...seems like an awful lot of activity for an hour's show, and I wish I had seen Wylie.

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                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: bushwickgirl Dec 16, 2010 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Yikes, glad I could help, bushwickgirl! But I'm sure it'll be repeated before next week. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                            bushwickgirl RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 10:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                            I'll look for it next week, A & E generally runs a day of episodes before the big windup @ 10. I just got into Top Chef recently, my sister talked it up, and I have to say I really enjoy it; the food, the drama, the stress, the catty remarks, that's good TV.

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                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet RE: bushwickgirl Dec 16, 2010 07:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                              I just got into Top Chef recently
                                                                                                                                                              ~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                              well then, welcome to the family! take note, however, that it can easily become an obsession/addiction, and we're nothing but a bunch of enablers ;)

                                                                                                                                                              and if you ever want to catch up on prior seasons, they're available on DVD.

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                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 05:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                and if you ever want to catch up on prior seasons, they're available on DVD.
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                                                                                                                                                                See what ghg means by being a bunch of enablers? ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                  bushwickgirl RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, you chowhound enablers, dvds, cookbooks, when wil it end!

                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know why I ignored this show for so long, my sister talked it up to me every week. I really like it, vastly different and much more exciting than Iron Chef and Chopped, intense on many levels, and their food budget, just a chef's dream.

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                                                                                                                                                                    roxlet RE: bushwickgirl Dec 17, 2010 10:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, but this iteration, in particular, is particularly good.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Caitlin McGrath RE: bushwickgirl Dec 17, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      "and their food budget, just a chef's dream."

                                                                                                                                                                      Of course, they are generally shopping at Whole Foods (show sponsor - why they showed WF's marquee on this week's show despite no shopping), so the budget doesn't stretch as far as it might otherwise.

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                                                                                                                                                                        DGresh RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 17, 2010 02:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I also noticed that gratuitous product placement!

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                                                                                                                                                                          Bellachefa RE: DGresh Dec 17, 2010 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Bravo was born on product placement. Think Queer Eye

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                                                                                                                                                                          ipsedixit RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 17, 2010 02:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I think one of the challenges should have the Chefs buying their products at an ethnic market of some sort. Like a Chinese or Japanese market, or maybe a Mexican grocery store. Throw them for a loop.

                                                                                                                                                                          Whole Foods can still have their product placement, just have the Chefs bag all their groceries with those WF green bags.

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                                                                                                                                                                            dach RE: ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            last season final they did just that in a thai market. i was a bit worried with the chef health safety seemingly tasting raw ingredients of items they didn't recognize with labels they couldn't read. they also had ethiopean food quickfire last season ... won by tiffany.

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                                                                                                                                                                              huiray RE: dach Dec 17, 2010 08:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              "...in a thai market."
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                                                                                                                                                                              Uhh...they were in Singapore. They went shopping for "extras" and spices in a local market with shops run by Singaporeans of various ethnicities.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Caitlin McGrath RE: ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 04:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              In Season 5, in NYC, they had a "neighborhood" challenge, where they sent them to certain areas and had them shop at local markets of the various ethnic concentrations of the neighborhoods (Chinese, Latin American, etc.). It did throw some for a loop.

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                                                                                                                                                                                ipsedixit RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 17, 2010 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                dach and Caitlin,

                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, totally forget about S7 finale and the neighborhood challenge. Brain fart.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Miss Needle RE: ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 05:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  And in Season 1, they did a street food challenge where they had to meld Japanese, Chinese and Moroccan and Indian cuisines with Latin food. That was one of my favorite challenges. In Season 2, I also remember a Vietnamese and Korean challenge.

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                                                                                                                                                                        mariacarmen RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        YEAH, BWG, DO IT! DO IT! we can score you some reeeeal good blogs....

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                                                                                                                                                                    roxlet RE: bushwickgirl Dec 16, 2010 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    You should be able to watch it on line somewhere. brovotv.com or hulu.com?

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                                                                                                                                                                      bushwickgirl RE: roxlet Dec 16, 2010 11:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, those options also. I will find it...hopefully in the afternoon when I'm less likely to fall asleep during the first five minutes.

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                                                                                                                                                                    bignickpsu RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I was glad to see Tom address the runny egg issue from last week in this week's blog:

                                                                                                                                                                    "As for Antonia and Tiffany’s eggs being raw: they weren’t raw. No one was in danger of contracting salmonella at the museum that morning. Had they been, we would have reached a different conclusion. I had two eggs, and each was cooked perfectly, as were both Padma’s and Gail’s. Katie Lee’s might have been undercooked, but she herself felt that Jen’s execution of her dish was far worse than Antonia and Tiffany’s execution of theirs. It was a unanimous decision. "

                                                                                                                                                                    The dangerous egg issue sounded like a bogus excuse from pissed off Jen fans. I was a Jen fan too but I trust in Tom's judgement.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: bignickpsu Dec 16, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Well, in defense of the Jen defenders, the editing made it appear that Antonia and Tiffany's eggs were raw. Too many people forget that the few minutes of comments we see from the judges are merely snippets from much longer discussions that have been edited *with the specific goal* of trying to make the outcome in doubt. They will choose the least positive comments about one dish and the most positive (or least damning) comments about another to make the contest seem much closer than it really was.

                                                                                                                                                                      Thus, no one can say definitively just from watching the show what the relative merits and flaws of the various dishes were. Anyone who says that they "know" that the judges were wrong is deluding themselves about the nature of "reality" television.

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                                                                                                                                                                        debbiel RE: bignickpsu Dec 16, 2010 06:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        He had two eggs? I'm confused. Didn't they make frittata? And I agree with Ruth; the edit certainly suggested otherwise. As for pissed off Jen fans, I'm not really a Jen fan, but I did think she should have stayed. But not in lieu of Antonia or Tiffany. In lieu of Jamie.

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                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: debbiel Dec 16, 2010 06:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          They made three different frittatas, so maybe he was referring to two he tried.

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                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 16, 2010 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Ah yes, that make sense. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: debbiel Dec 16, 2010 06:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            "He had two eggs? "
                                                                                                                                                                            ~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                            he meant 2 dishes/kinds of their eggs, as in the 2 frittate they made.

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                                                                                                                                                                          Bellachefa RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I enjoyed Bourdains blog and Riperts video on Elia.

                                                                                                                                                                          I really enjoyed Dale and Stephen. I am still laughing at the many funny things that Dale says, including when he was basically making crack for kids on the night of the museum. He is one funny guy, and left with real class.

                                                                                                                                                                          Not sure how I felt about Stephen back in the day, but I found him to be so funny in has casual approach. He was no longer taking himself seriously. He grew up and into himself and was quite witty.

                                                                                                                                                                          And that comes to my point. I loved the original Top Chef Masters because most of them were having fun. They didn't have anything to prove. Other then Angelo, I really don't get why any of them would take this so seriously. Sure there's a huge purse, but. . . c'mon. It's not Top Chef. I hope the rest of them start having more fun. Still waiting to see Carla break out and rip it up. She is one crazy gal. And pouty pants my finger hurts needs to go!

                                                                                                                                                                          IMHO

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                                                                                                                                                                            lenwood RE: Bellachefa Dec 20, 2010 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I agree with you about Stephen. Found him much more likable. I don't understand the hate for him.

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                                                                                                                                                                            Nettie RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Didn't Carla win a quickfire during her season that Wylie Dufresne judged? And didn't she win in it for green eggs and ham? You would think that would give her some confidence that she can cook food that he likes, but maybe the sous-vide-gate thing in the final made her more afraid of molecular gastronomy.

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                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: Nettie Dec 16, 2010 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Carla won (with Stephan) with Wylie judging the egg Quickfire. That's the same episode that Fabio won the Elimination "Last Supper" challenge with his roast chicken.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 07:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Are there "bloopers" to Top Chef?

                                                                                                                                                                              There can't be just one take of every single scene that is televised, right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 16, 2010 08:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                they usually run a bloopers montage at the reunion show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, the end of the seaon one is usually the "uncut" verson (like in S7 when they were throwing around large dice in the stew room).

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm just wondering if there are bloopers in the true sense ... I mean, seriously, can Padma really say "Please Pack Your Knives and Go" each time without slipping up?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    i know i've read/heard in past interviews with Padma, Tom & Gail that it sometimes requires several takes to get it right at JT after a long night of deliberating and drinking.

                                                                                                                                                                                    i wonder if the DVDs include bonus footage like those unusable takes...

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                                                                                                                                                                                      ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Exactly, that's what i'm talking about.

                                                                                                                                                                                      You think Bourdain can rip someone every single time on a first take. P'shaw!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        What ghg is talking about is the final PYKAG after all the judging deliberations. Which obviously has to be done correctly. I don't think Bourdain does multiple takes of his put downs -- they just cull the good ones from the tons of stuff he spews, although he undoubtedly has some of those bon mots prepared in advance. You can usually tell when someone is speaking extemporaneously and when it's rehearsed, especially when the rehearsed speech is mixed in with the non-rehearsed speech -- that's why people often comment about Padma sounding "wooden": she's the one who has all the formal lines to deliver (rules, product placements, PYKAG, etc.). Remember that horrible Toby guy -- now him you could tell he'd practiced what he said and labored over the delivery.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Caitlin McGrath RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 17, 2010 04:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          My favorite Padma moments are when she comes in before the judging of the QF and says, "Hands up, utensils down!" I don't think it's happened for a while, but has happened multiple times, and they have left it in the aired show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            AMFM RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 17, 2010 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            maybe i'm just oblivious (been known to happen) - but i don't know what's wrong there...

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                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. RE: AMFM Dec 17, 2010 05:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              If the they followed Padma's orders their hands would be up in the air holding utensils. (She meant to say it in the reverse order).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                ipsedixit RE: John E. Dec 17, 2010 05:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                >>>My favorite Padma moments are when she comes in before the judging of the QF and says, "Hands up, utensils down!" I don't think it's happened for a while, but has happened multiple times, and they have left it in the aired show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                >>>maybe i'm just oblivious (been known to happen) - but i don't know what's wrong there...

                                                                                                                                                                                                >>>If the they followed Padma's orders their hands would be up in the air holding utensils. (She meant to say it in the reverse order).
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                                                                                                                                                                                                Well, not necessarily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                If you take "hands up, utensils down" to mean "hands up THEN utensils down" then it would be sort of silly and perhaps dangerous -- i.e. raising hands and then dropping knives, etc. to the floor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                But you could also take it to mean "hands up AND utensils down" -- or, in other words, the Chefs are supposed to do both, not necessarily in that particular order.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: ipsedixit Dec 17, 2010 05:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The point was, if taken literally, it amused Caitlin. If taken literallythey wouldn't be able to put their utensils down except by throwing them once their hands were in the air. Padma's obviously means to say "utensils down, hands up" but she is notorious for screwing up her lines. She ends up re-doing many of her lines as voice over after the video has already been shot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    AMFM RE: John E. Dec 17, 2010 06:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    got it. thanks. not that literal or bright a girl i guess. ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Caitlin McGrath RE: John E. Dec 17, 2010 07:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Right, her line is "Utensils down, hands up!" and that's how she usually says it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: John E. Dec 17, 2010 06:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    when i read Caitlin's post i had to smile at a mental picture of dirty utensils clattering to the floor and splattering the chefs with remnants of QF ingredients on the way down.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            dach RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 17, 2010 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            they often show JT bloopers on bravotv website. also during reunion ep.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: ipsedixit Dec 16, 2010 08:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, they don't do "takes" in that sense -- with a few exceptions, they just turn the cameras on and let them roll, and then edit the raw footage into "scenes." The few exceptions are the formal/required parts of the show. For example, sometimes you see Padma as she's going over the rules or product placement, and sometimes you hear her do it in a voice over, presumably because she muffed her lines or they didn't come out clearly enough when they reviewed the tape. But unless for some reason they have to have a particular "scene" if something goes wrong, they don't re-do it, they just don't use it. It's not like they don't have hours of tape from multiple cameras to choose from. Besides, it's supposed to be "reality" and in reality, people mess up!

                                                                                                                                                                                        And yes, as goodhealthgourmet says, sometimes they show "bloopers" (they get pretty punchy after hours and hours at judges table) at the reunion show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        jujuthomas RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 05:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I really enjoyed this episode. I thought the EC was such a cool idea, and it was very entertaining! I SO wanted to try Dale T's dish, I am trying to imagine how he made the broth taste like breakfast!

                                                                                                                                                                                        I was glad to see Stephen go, he seemed like a pompous little prick. I was howling at AB's head shop comment! I figured after the first JT it would be either Dale or Fabio joining Stephen. I like watching both guys so wasn't real happy to see Dale PYKAG. Loved his comments about Food w/ jazz hands! that was awesome.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the clarification upstream about Fabios' comment on Angelo's pants. that puzzled me!

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 06:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Jumping in late because I just could not stay up to watch it on Wednesday.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I was disappointed it was only a 60-minute show - it did feel a bit rushed, and with these particular challenges they could have gone more in-depth with each person's dish. When Antonia was called to JT for the top group, I couldn't even remember what she made. Still not sure exactly what it was, only that it incorporated peas and carrots.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Not surprised that Stephen or Dale L. were sent home. Stephen was bound for an early boot and, in my mind, just got lucky with the first two episodes. Dale L.'s ouster was predictable - give the guy a chance to overwork a dish, and he will, to the nth degree, and much to his detriment. He seemed to do best when forced to restrain his impulses, and apparently Townhouse encourages a bit of extreme playfulness, so Dale L. was bound to fall into that trap.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Nothing much in the way of controversy, either. Dale T.'s dish did look intriguing, and apparently it tasted intriguing as well. He won the challenge the way Blaise often won challenges - not just by cooking good food but by being smart about it. He understood his audience, his strengths, his weaknesses, and made a thoughtful assessment, then executed his dish to perfection. I would love to have tasted that dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Who do we think is going next????

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. NellyNel RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 07:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Brilliant recap Linda!
                                                                                                                                                                                            Great job!

                                                                                                                                                                                            My first reaction to Episode 3 - was that it seemed to go by in a flash!
                                                                                                                                                                                            I felt it could easily have been a 2 hour - 2 -part episode.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Funny, as I read the posts, I guess allot of us agree on that point!

                                                                                                                                                                                            I really enjoyed both challenges, Loved this episode

                                                                                                                                                                                            Just some random thoughts -

                                                                                                                                                                                            I thought Casey looked really grumpy, and seemed rather closed minded about the whimsical aspect of her meal. I was pretty surprised at that. I would have been like a kid in a candy shop having that meal! It looked wonderful to me, and very exciting!

                                                                                                                                                                                            Spike seems allot more likable to me now - he's even make me laugh a few times...

                                                                                                                                                                                            Marcel seems to be getting along well with the other chefs this time..

                                                                                                                                                                                            I was super happy Dale won - his dish looked soooo interesting - would love to have tried it!

                                                                                                                                                                                            Loved Toms Led Zepplin remark!!

                                                                                                                                                                                            Happy Fabio and Tiffani got a pass...couldnt care less about Stephen or Dale leaving, although, Stephen was actually, very amusing!

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                                                                                                                                                                                              aching RE: NellyNel Dec 23, 2010 07:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I was struck by Casey's attitude at Townhouse too - what a pill! But maybe she was just tired.

                                                                                                                                                                                              I was really happy Dale won too - his dish looked great! And it must have been absolutely delicious for him to win without using any of Wylie's techniques.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Evilbanana11 RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Angelo's dish was a play on his best selling sandwich(based on the vietnamese dish cha ca) from his shop in NYC so he was probably quite familiar with the flavors.

                                                                                                                                                                                              http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2009/0...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                tofuburrito RE: Evilbanana11 Dec 17, 2010 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for sharing that link; I would definitely be enthused about going there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  huiray RE: tofuburrito Dec 17, 2010 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Xie Xie is no longer open.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: huiray Dec 17, 2010 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh no! What happened?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: The Dairy Queen Dec 17, 2010 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2010/10...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Someone in the comments section said "XieXie and Zanzibar next door had to close at the same time due to problems with the building and the apartments above."

                                                                                                                                                                                                      However, someone else said "Is it the real estate or the chef. This is the 3rd closing by this chef in the last 6 years (that I know of) after only a short time of being open."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 10:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, that's too bad. I like Angelo well enough. I mean, his food usually sounds interesting to me. I do think he's a character, but nothing wrong with that in and of itself. (I hope he really doesn't try to sabotage someone in next week's episode!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Miss Needle RE: The Dairy Queen Dec 17, 2010 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I was lucky enough to go to Xie Xie before it closed. The sandwiches were really well balanced and tasty. Some people were griping about the portion/price ratio, but he was using pretty high quality ingredients. I hope he opens up another place because I'd really like to try more of his food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            dach RE: Miss Needle Dec 17, 2010 01:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Awww... sorry to hear xiexie is closed. I tried it once, and it was quite tasty. I of course ordered the pickle daikon fish sub that Angelo won the sandwich QF with.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            At $10 a sub it wasn't a bargain, but the prices were reasonable for the quality and location --- Manhattan's theater row. And definitely more wallet friendly for those on a budget than most other top chef contestant restaurants. As price comparison I pay 9 to 12 for burgers in the same area.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          cowboyardee RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 10:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Is it the real estate or the chef. This is the 3rd closing by this chef in the last 6 years (that I know of) after only a short time of being open."
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                                                                                                                                                                                                          That's nothing too extreme in the restaurant world.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  ladybugthepug RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2010 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, NO! Not Jamie and her soups again!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Since I didn't get to taste just how sweet "sweet" was (Dale), it seems that screwing up melon three ways (Tiffani) would be a more egregious offense just because of the overall lack of work involved in its preparation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 18, 2010 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I recorded this episode overnight and discovered something wacky. Several times there was a commercial for a Trojan vibrator. Has anybody else seen this? The response the guy gave to his wife/girlfriend was pretty funny.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jeanmarieok RE: John E. Dec 18, 2010 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL - that must have been a local commercial or something - I didn't get that commercial here. I would have noticed - my son works at the Trojan factory.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet RE: jeanmarieok Dec 18, 2010 03:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        it aired here in LA. totally bizarre...and it had a very low-budget, late-night infomercial feel to it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        jujuthomas RE: John E. Dec 20, 2010 04:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I saw that commercial! it was very weird, lol!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 20, 2010 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is an interesting interview with Spike where he talks about the timing of how things work while filming an episode:
                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://howchow.blogspot.com/2010/12/s...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: lisavf Dec 20, 2010 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          VERY interesting that they are all required to sign releases about each Quickfire or Elim challenge to ensure the cheftestants know what it's about. And the hours in the Stew Room (which we knew from Tom C's and Gail's earlier blogs).

                                                                                                                                                                                                          But this interview should be saved for future reference. It's bound to come up again as to how long they take for each episode (2-3 days). :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            NellyNel RE: lisavf Dec 21, 2010 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Spike: Yeah. There is some time. I think you see that more the first time around. I played the game pretty hardcore the first time around. With All-Stars, I am in a different place. I was just happy to be back and be around chefs, the show and filming. I took a very laid back approach. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I did notice that he seems much mre laid back so far . Not nearly as annoying.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            He also is not wearing that stupid hat all the time!
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Much more likable to me now!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Dec 20, 2010 05:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            My cable has been out since last week, and the cable guy isn't going to come in til 12/30 to fix it. I'm actually managing quite well with the other stuff. But I'm getting pretty worried about getting my Top Chef fix. Where can I watch Top Chef online? I checked hulu and the bravo website, but they don't even have episode #3 online. Do I have to wait at least a week after each episode to watch?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: Miss Needle Dec 21, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Miss Needle, I know tomorrow night's show is a new one, but the week between Christmas/New Year's is a night of repeats - I think the first 3 eps will be shown on 12/29 from 8pm to 11pm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hulu says that they get the full episodes at Bravo's discretion. You might try yidio.com:

                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.yidio.com/show/top-chef It looks like you can only get Episode 3 at iTunes:

                                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.yidio.com/show/top-chef/se...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Dec 21, 2010 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh what a bummer! This is gonna kill me! I guess I'll have to avoid all the blogs to avoid seeing who gets kicked off. At least I'll only be missing one episode.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for the iTunes idea. I'll probably be purchasing this season.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 22, 2010 05:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's halftime of the Las Vegas Bowl (Utah vs Boise State) and I switched over to this episode. Tiffani said "maybe I shouldn't have frozen my melons".

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Anyway, I noticed something that I meant to post about earlier but forgot. A TC producer apparently doesn't know what the term "double elimination" means and the chefs maybe weren't all that athletic in their youth (Tre might be the exception) and don't know what it means either. In a tournament or competition it means that you have to lose twice before being eliminated. It means you are guaranteed at least two matches or games before being eliminated. After your first loss you can still compete for third place. They don't have third place in this competition but it is still an incorrect use of the phrase.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                momjamin RE: John E. Dec 23, 2010 02:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I noticed the misuse of the term "double elimination," but couldn't figure out a different succinct way to say "we're eliminating 2 when we usually eliminate 1." FTR, we found out in ep #4 who has a sporty/athletic background and who doesn't -- apparently not Tre!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: momjamin Dec 23, 2010 12:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  dual elimination would work.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Tre may not have been "sporty" in the past, but he certainly is now ;) it was a surprise, however, to see how heavy and out of shape he used to be!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    NellyNel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 28, 2010 12:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's funny, because right before they showed the clip about him being heavy before, I had just noticed how fit he is, and I thought of you and the Tre loves here!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought :"oh YEAH!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (I still prefer Stefan)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: NellyNel Dec 28, 2010 04:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      your boy Stefan was on Best Thing I Ever Ate yesterday - Adam Gertler chose his ice cream lollipop trio as Best Food on a Stick. i've gotta say they looked delicious, and his restaurant is only 5 minutes from me...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        NellyNel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 29, 2010 05:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh - thanks for that - I will have to look for re-runs. I don't know if they re-run those - I have never watched that show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        GHG - You have got to be kidding!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Have you considered going?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I would have been there as soon as it opened!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (with my best dress on - I might add!!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Didnt he pretty much lose TC to Hosea because of those lollipops?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The judges hated his dessert and I remember Gail calling them (I do remember they were lollipops of some kind) 1980's in presentation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: NellyNel Dec 29, 2010 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          they air repeats all the time. i'm totally hooked on the show - it makes me want to run out and eat at least half the dishes they feature!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Stefan's restaurant isn't a big deal to us locals. he actually took over a place that used to be a popular spot for "industry" folks to do lunch over mediocre, over-priced salads. reviews since he took over have been mixed...but those lollipops really did look good!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            AMFM RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 29, 2010 02:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i'm glad to know i'm not the only one who likes best thing i ever ate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Shrinkrap RE: AMFM Dec 29, 2010 03:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Love it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                NellyNel RE: Shrinkrap Dec 30, 2010 05:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh wow - I never thought to watch it - I will definitely check it out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hopefully, I will see my boy Stefan and his lollipops!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  roxlet RE: John E. Dec 23, 2010 05:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hmmm. That is not always used in competition. In squash, you go into consolations or a 3/4 play-off, not a double elimination. I completely "got" what they meant by double elimination.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. RE: roxlet Dec 23, 2010 08:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I to understood exactly what they meant. I didn't intend to mean that the term was used universally, just that it seemed to be used incorrectly in this instance. You don't 'go' into double elimination as I was referring to it, it simply was used as a description. In high school and college I participated in many double-elimination wrestling tournaments.

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