Soup Dumplings (Xiao Long Bao) in metro-Detroit?

[Iowaboy3]

Going to be in Detroit Jan. 14-20. Is there anyplace that makes these Chinese soup dumplings I've been hearing about? Also a good Dim Sum place for Sunday morning?

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Bao's Restaurant
400 W Center St, Monticello, IL 61856

[Iowaboy3]

O.K. dumpling fans. I will be in Detroit August 14-18 2011. Is it possible to line up something for either the 15th, 16th or 17th? Lunch or dinner. Don't know if it's possible or not but if someone could research it I'd be grateful. Just let me know. Thanx, Iowaboy3

[VTB]

Best China, anybody?

[Iowaboy3]

Just clicked on this board and can't believe this thread is now 86 entries long. Plan to be back in Detroit this week. Hope to get to try Shangri La finally. Is the dim sum only on Sunday here? I don't get to town until Sunday(tonight) night.

[prcentauri]

thanks for all of the feedback. we are moving to birmingham. it seemed like a nice neighborhood when we visited the metro area for several days. i have no problem driving 20-30 min for food or groceries if they are gonna be good. based on where all these asian places seem to be, that might be what i should expect.

@ oppsie: i'd love to open a restaurant but it won't b asian. i cook predominantly non-asian, lately Ad Hoc at Home cookbook stuff.

[oppsie]

The more restos the merrier! And welcome to the nabe. I'm biased but the Woodward corridor is really best for fanning out and accessing good chow. As long as you don't want, say, Peruvian food you should be in good shape.

Interestingly I was at Asia City in Ann Arbor for lunch today and they had a full stock of turtles ready for eating -- that building is garish though, wow.

[moose734]

If you're curious about finding a good Chinese grocery, then Hua Xing in Ypsilanti is a must.

[bellmont]

Went to Asia City in Ypsi today (next door to Hua Xing) for dim sum. It was fantastic. They had Xaio Long Bao on the carts. The servings I had were a little cooler than I would have liked, but they were really, really good.

I've been to Asia City three times this past month for dinner and also dim sum. They have really upped their game from the first few times I went there soon after their opening and suffered through their teething problems. One memorable dish (for dinner) was oysters in black bean sauce; simply divine - fresh, briny, salty and spicy. What's not to like?

[JanPrimus]

I need to get back then since I was one of the early detractors.

[oppsie]

JP, if you ever want to go during the week for lunch I'm down.

bellmont, interesting -- I went there a week or two ago for lunch and didn't see anything about XLB. I will specifically ask for them next time.

[JanPrimus]

Too far for me and lunch. I work over in Wixom. Thanks for the invite though!

[bellmont]

Oppsie; I just saw your comment - sorry for the delayed response.
I had to ask the waitress for XLB; pulled up a picture on my phone to explain what I was asking for. She then pointed to a cart and brought over a steamer. She said they offer it on some days. I got lucky, I guess.

[moose734]

I was never really a dectractor of the place, and the fact that they really upped the ante on their dim sum ( you can now several roasted/BBQ options on one of their carts.) and brought Chinese style hot pot to the area was a huge plus to me. Now I have to make another trip to try and snag some XLB.

[goatgolfer]

Should we try a new thread?? I'll start. precantauri ) hoping not to hi-jack this thread:

[prcentauri]

thanks. its about time we move this convo to a new thread. back to the 小笼馒头.

[JanPrimus]

Steamed dumplings!

[goatgolfer]

Boulettes de pâte cuites à la vapeur

[rcloud]

Impressive, I'm pretty sure this is the first time some 上海话 has been thrown around in the Great Lakes forum!

[goatgolfer]

普通话是我们的偏爱，而是因为语言障碍太平绅士我们尽了全力。请加入我们5月7日

Sorry for the poor translation to Shanghai as Mandarin is our preferred character based commo. Besides, JP has a speech impediment that makes the rs sound like ths. Hope you have 7 May available.

[rcloud]

No need for the translation.... 上海话 baffles me. Pretty much all I can say is "阿拉勿懂". Give me the heavy 儿‘s any day. Are there still spots available on the 7th? Not sure I can make it, but if there are spots still left I'd do everything I could to make it, sounds like a great time.

[goatgolfer]

上海话 too Me neither 阿拉勿懂". Contact VTB via Google groups Detroit Chow for the handshake.

Contact VTB par des groupes Google Detroit Chow pour la poignée de main.

Prcentauri phoned in.. He didn't understand either.. I will check my keyboard. Still hope 7 May is good for you.

[prcentauri]

yea i dont understand. i gotta get my gf to translate. we'll be out there sometime late june.

[VTB]

yes, available. for more info, pls see (on Tues or Wed): http://groups.google.com/group/detroi...

[rcloud]

Thanks guys. I'll let you know if I can make it.... By the way GG, I have to give you credit for 太平绅士. Awesome nickname.

[boagman]

Це звучить здорово!

[goatgolfer]

Does it come with cheese? Gruyegere? or Emanntalle.

انها لا تأتي مع الجبن؟ Gruyegere؟ أو Emanntalle.

[scoopG]

Thanks for the delicious report-backs! I am glad it was a success.

[VTB]

Sorry for weighing-in late. Busy day.

It always is great fun to put faces with (board) names, and to get together with fellow Metro Chowhounders. I got to meet young shooters Markcron and Oppsie, and would have liked to chat with Christina+1, but they were at the far end of the table from me. It’s been too long since I’ve last seen Boagman’s Donna, and it was the first time I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Mrs. Rainsux (I’m still confounded how someone so young looking could have been a professional in the Foreign Service during the mid Seventies!!). Unfortunately, JanPrimus was stag, lonely and despondent. Not sure what happened there.

I thought Chef Wong certainly did us well. I’ve not previously felt a compelling reason to make the long drive to Shangri-La, since I live close to Golden Harvest and consider the two places comparable. I might revisit that mind-set. The (granted, special) dinner was absolutely solid.

I’ve eaten a lot of dumplings in China, and Chef Wong’s held their own in my opinion. Sure, they were neighborhood style, rather than exotic big-name Hong Kong or Shanghai fare, but I got what I went for, and then some. My wife, fairly or unfairly, compared and contrasted the dumplings to her family recipes, and was generally satisfied, which I think is saying something (favorable).

In summary, there were a lot of pork dumplings, in variety and quantity. They had similar stuffings, though the styles featured differing dough skins and cooking methods. There were pot stickers (guo tie), xiao long bao, wontons, and northern style boiled dumplings (jiao zi). As mentioned, there also were the popular fried fresh chive dumplings / “stuffed pancakes” (jiu cai bing), as well as the red bean paste balls in rice skin (yuan xiao). For dipping, there was vinegar fermented from glutinous rice and wheat bran (Chinkiang cu) plus ginger etc., and side cups of chili oil, and also garlic chili paste (more or less Sriracha sauce). I get full and happy just recalling it.

I was moved by Chef Wong’s personable efforts (I realize he didn’t do all the cooking). We made up no more than a couple percent of Metro Shangri-La’s sales for the day, at best. But, I feel they really put their hearts into indulging our project, and I’m very thankful.

I spoke with Chef Wong after the dinner. I was tasked with exploring a Sichuan dan dan noodle night with him. Frankly, it seemed a bit problematic to be pursuing a Sichuanese event with a Cantonese chef. But, I felt more confident after having spoken with him. Here’s the kicker: he knows how to hand-pull his own noodles! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucPvi4err-I&feature=related or http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/0... ) As you will notice, this takes a LOT of muscular exertion, and Chef Wong admits that he’s no longer up to that challenge. However, he is trying to mentor one of his guys; though, he concedes that his student still is in the rough apprentice phase, and has a long ways to go to master the art. Nevertheless, I’d take an un-uniform, overly thick noodle freshly pulled before my eyes, over an extruded, reconstituted noodle, any darn day!

Anyway, I’m conservatively targeting late April for dan dan noodle night, and I’ll report back over time, welcoming your thoughts along the way (Jim M: you’ve been given ample notice). I’m glad so many came for the wonderful get together arranged by Goat Golfer (salute!), and I’m deeply thankful for the delicious food and gracious service from the staff at Shangri-La.

[donbui82]

Apparently they serve XBL now at Trizest. Its on the non-english supplemental menu. I believe $6 for a steamed tray of 6. My Verdict?

Not bad in a pinch. The wrapper was a little doughy and not wafer thin like the best I've had. One came town so all the fluid deliciousness had leaked out already. Meat and soup both reasonably tasty. The problem is that place has so much deliciousness on its menu, I'm not sure if I'd order these again.

don

[oppsie]

!! we seriously need to get a group dinner going there to fully explore/destroy the menu.

[JanPrimus]

As I have said before.... +1

[VTB]

ps--my wife says trizest has begun a lunch buffet (w/chinese food rather than gringo-chinese) and that it is good...for buffet food, that is. something like $6.50. that's all i know.

[oppsie]

Doh, would have been good to know before I ate an early lunch on work at home day. Maybe next week.

[Iowaboy3]

Souns like I really missed a grreat evening here. Glad I could inspire a get-together though. Perhas some time when I can plan a visit well ahead of time. Eat well. Iowaboy.

[VTB]

We're ready for that visit IB3.

[Iowaboy3]

I'll be in Detroit from Sunday afternoon, 8/14 probably until Wednesday, 8/17. Can we arrange a meal within that time frame?

[VTB]

Excellent. Let's follow up here-- http://groups.google.com/group/detroi...
I'll post a thought starter this weekend, unless someone beats me to it.
Cheers IB3
VTB

[Iowaboy3]

Wasn't able to find any info at the link you mentioned. Has anything progressed? Sunday morning, 8/14 would be good for me. Also Monday or Tuesday evening (8/15-16) would work. I'll check back asap. Thanks.

[rainsux]

We trekked to Midtown Shangri-La (4710 Cass Ave, Detroit, MI) on Saturday evening for the
group dinner. Certainly easy to find with plenty of nearby parking. I was lucky to find an
unoccupied meter and avoid the adjacent $5 lot.

The dumplings, soup and otherwise, were tasty, hot and plentiful. I did have the advantage
of being seated across from Mrs. VTB who was quite helpful in explaining the various
courses.

For my palate & purse, Raymond & crew hit a home run last night. Bravo.

[JanPrimus]

+1

[Markcron]

Had a great time at Shangri-La last night.
The xiao long bao were on par with what I remember from China.
The methods everyone used to eat them were enlightening. I was only aware of one method, as told to me by a German in China, Which is to make sure the xlb is not punctured (so the hot broth and steam) does not escape, and pop the while thing in your mouth, letting the steam and broth burn your mouth in a masochistic sort of way. Maybe that was a male bonding ritual.
It was certainly less painful to eat them as oopsie did.
The green dumpling (with chive?) was pretty amazing.
And that spicy "ketchup" (what was it called?) was crazy good to me.

[oppsie]

+1, good time, good company and good food. The soup dumplings were tasty although I felt the skins were a little bit thick and I like crab/pork mix better than plain pork, but beggars can't be choosers about this in the D. The vinegar sauce was excellent, right down to the ginger shreds.

Also, there was the utensil issue. I have always eaten xiao long bao with a Chinese soup spoon, the better to avoid a) burning the mouth with scalding broth from popped dumplings and b) losing any of the precious broth to the plate or chin. The waitstaff was happy to bring me one but I suspect others would have benefited from using this technique as well. goatgolfer mentioned eating a giant bao in Shanghai that involved a straw -- that sounds amazing, too! Interesting to see how different people had been educated on how to eat them, based on where they ate them before. I've only had them in NYC (Chinatown and Flushing).

I really, really hope that these end up on the regular menu. And I'm sorry I did not get Mrs. VTB's explanations -- maybe rainsux (or VTB himself) can provide a recap? I'd be interested to know what else I ate besides what I could identify on my own (xlb, chive dumpling, potsticker, red bean paste).

For future reference parking on Forest, west of Cass, is free -- no meters.

[goatgolfer]

The party finally came together and the array of dumplings were amazing. Repeating oppsie's comment, there are several ways to eat the soup dumplings and that was fun in itself. The sharing of food, friends and experiences was very good and Shangri-La did a terrific job. They were the owners recipes and there are many ways and kinds of soup dumplings but in this case we did not run short of food and choices. The fried chive cake we had to start was as good as I have ever had. Maybe I didn't have a really fresh super hot one before but that was a terrific start. Fun to meet many of the people from the board too. Shangri-La is using this as a test to see about soup dumplings for the future. I plan on following up with RWong to see the progress. He said that midtown is too small for such an event but the other locations are ~250 seats and could handle soup dumplings as a special.

[goatgolfer]

After trying to find a resto that would give the soup dumplings a go here is the update.
You can also find similar discussions at the Detroit Chow Google get together page http://groups.google.com/group/detroi...
I spoke to Raymond Wong of Shangri-La (and seems to be the dim sum
guy) again today and he suggests a two-pronged approach. The soup
dumpling has many meanings, fillings, pastry and cooking styles
(steaming/chow) but the Xiao Long Bao ( baseball sized with soup
inside) is a specific subset and he agrees to include it in the test
menu. Please note that the tasting menu test will be at Shangri-La
Midtown as he is there to run the restaurant and wants to control the
test event. When the second (hopeful) larger event opens it will
likely expand to the other sites. He prefers this for quality control
and it was a reasonable suggestion.
He personally knows how to make Xiao Long Bao but doesn't know the
experience of the kitchen staff. He proposed a modestly sized tasting/
family menu (budget to be set by us) for 8-10 guests at Shangri-La
Midtown. He suggested Saturday early evening was best for the test
run. We would propose the number of guests (probably first come first
served and I will be the captain of the launch) and he would propose a
tasting menu with the soup dumplings featured but a few surprises as
well.
Then, to be inclusive with the CH supporters through this mélange,
Shangri-La would propose a future "weekend special" of soup dumplings
that all could enjoy and coordinate get togethers including the test
panel family/friends.
After discussing this with non-CH friends I find a very positive
latent - I would give that a go - undertone.
So, I look forward to comments on the concept. Based on feedback I
will propose a Saturday 6pm date in the near future that works for
Shangril-La Midtown. The first 8 (including me plus a guest for 10)
will get the invite with two requirements. 1 - it's dutch treat and we
will have a 20% gratuity on food and alcohol is on your own tab 2- you
must write a review on CH and copy it to the Google group. I will discuss budget matters with a
few of the most vocal members before publishing the deal. Hard to
coordinate 10 budgets but how expensive can dumplings be?
I'm thinking to launch the discussion to finalize the details on
this Google group at the start of the new year (Chinese that is on 3
Feb)!

[VTB]

Can someone please tutor donbui82, moose734 and JimM on how to use Google Groups...
Some people are a little techno-phobic.

[goatgolfer]

Soup dumpling test panel and meet up on the google page. Look at sticky on the top of Great Lakes for link.

[Iowaboy3]

Really wish I was going to be in town to participate. Sounds great.

[donbui82]

Ugh. I really wish I was in town for this event!! Finally get to meet everybody, especially over an arguable landmark event.

A slight consolation prize is that I just had some Xiao Long Bao at Joe Shanghai in manhattan yesterday. Pretty good, but its no Dai Tin Fung, my gold standard for those tasty little bastards.

don

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Bao's Restaurant
400 W Center St, Monticello, IL 61856

[scoopG]

And Joes Shanghai is not even the best in NYC! Shanghai Cafe Deluxe (at 100 Mott Street) in Manhattan and Nan Xiang in Flushing are much better! (I've been following this thread and laud your efforts! Also, XLB are usually not baseball sized, more like golf balls!)

Edit: Yes they do come in all types...here are some photos:

http://soso.nipic.com/show/4d/da/b7/0...

[oppsie]

I said it on the chow list but it bears repeating since you found those photos -- where does one find a spoon big enough to hold a baseball-sized bao? :)

[xman887]

i google imaged xiao long bao, picked a random picture and this is what i came up with on my first try. unbelieveable. i am now off to buy powerball and mega million tickets and as many superbowl squares as i can find...

http://newyork.seriouseats.com/2009/0...

[scoopG]

If they worked being airlifted frozen I'd send you all some! But that is the place, Nan Xiang in Flushing!

[Iowaboy3]

Just spotted this thread I started back in Dec. Can't believe it's 70 long now.

I've heard great things about Nan Xiang. I still haven't had the opportunity to try them.

Enjoy

[oppsie]

What happened to Project Xiao Long Bao? Radio silence?

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Bao's Restaurant
400 W Center St, Monticello, IL 61856

[goatgolfer]

someone else will have to reply. I have been redacted twice on this topic all done with the best intentions.

[oppsie]

ugh, just email my username at g mail.

[jjspw]

So annoying how chow make it damn near impossible to organize meet-ups!

I took the liberty of creating a Detroit-area chow group on google:
http://groups.google.com/group/detroi...

Right now, it's set to "public", so anyone can join. Let's take the Project XLB discussion there!

[Markcron]

Thanks I just joined group and cannot wait for the Project XLB.

[goatgolfer]

Chinese new year starts 3 Feb but I will try to reach Raymond Wong again.

[Iowaboy3]

An apology is due. Thanks everybody for all your input. Unfortunately we arrived later that Sunday morning than planned so plans were changed. I never got to pursue the Long Bao nor the dim sum. Hopefully in the fall when I return. Hope this info benefits someone though. I'll continue to follow the thread.

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Bao's Restaurant
400 W Center St, Monticello, IL 61856

[goatgolfer]

We were wondering what happened to you. Join the Google group detroitchow and we will post the soup dumpling progress and outcome. I even told Mr. Wong someone was coming from Illinois. He wanted to know why??? ;-)

[Iowaboy3]

Thanks to all of you. I appreciate the input. I look forward to hitting town.

[vtombrown]

Iowaboy3, I know this is not spot-on topic, but I suspect you are the kind of guy who would appreciate Ajishin Japanese Restaurant, in VERY nearby Novi. It is a noodle soup / sushi place, chock full of Japanese people. Tragically, they can't offer beer, so have a couple before you go, and then hustle-up a single seat at the sushi bar (takes time) for some noodle heaven. I would think jjspw would support this place, too; otherwise, I'll be disappointed, and question myself.

PS--speaking of jjspw...tried Jade in Windsor, for dim sum? It's been a while for me but I have pretty good memories.

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Ajishin
42270 Grand River Ave, Novi, MI 48375

[JanPrimus]

I fully endorse. The Noodles are perfect....make Matsuchan's noodles seem like .39 cent dehydrated noodles from Dollar General in comparison. Although I love the Matsuchan broth.

[jjspw]

Heh, JP and jjspw do not agree!!! :-P

I'm okay with Ajishin, but do not find their broth to be anything special. Matsuchan's broth, on the other hand, is spectacular. Noodle-wise, I think they're about the same--both use pre-packaged noodles.

I'm a lot more apt to go to eat at Matsuchan, because I cannot duplicate their tonkotsu and miso broths at home, whereas I can duplicate all of Ajishin's broths. And of course, the packaged noodles that both restaurants use can be found at One World Market, Noble Fish, E-Mart, etc.

Anyway, VTB, I haven't even heard of Jade in Windsor. Intrigued, though. Will definitely put it on my radar for next time I'm over there.

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Ajishin
42270 Grand River Ave, Novi, MI 48375

Noble Fish
45 E 14 Mile Rd, Clawson, MI 48017

[vtombrown]

Where will you mostly be in Detroit (big Metro Area, and no one Chinese place here is worth traveling clear across town for, in any direction)?

This place has some fans (and one or two detractors), but I don't think it will address your dumpling craving: http://honghuafinedining.com/hhr/Menu...

There are some resonably recent threads on this Great Lakes board regarding dim sum. Just search. We don't have it great, but we have it better than most of America. Note--Detroit is RIGHT on the border with Windsor, Canada. You may want to bring your passport, because they have admirable Chinese food options there, too.

[Iowaboy3]

I'll be based in Novi off I-696 & I-275 but I have no problem cruising anywhere for good eats.

[vtombrown]

That's PERFECT for the aforementioned Hong Hua. Nearby Shangrila has Sunday dim sum. Both are on Orchard Lake Rd. north of 696.
This is a good thread--- http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6791...

[Iowaboy3]

Is Hong Hua really any good? I've driven by dozens of times and been told its "upscale" but that doesn't mean good in my book.

Where on Orchard is Shangrila? Do they have soup dumplings or dim sum?

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Hong Hua
27925 Orchard Lake Rd, Farmington Hills, MI 48334

Shangrila Restaurant
1039 Century Dr, Edwardsville, IL 62025

[boagman]

My one experience with Hong Hua was enough to cause me not to return, but that's just my individual experience.

Oh, and Shangri La is on Orchard Lake Road just north of Maple, in a shopping center. They do have dim sum, but the one time I tried it, I could not for the life of me understand what all the hoopla was about. I found it sort of eye-roll-inducing, but I have no "real" standard by which I can compare it to.

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Hong Hua
27925 Orchard Lake Rd, Farmington Hills, MI 48334

[vtombrown]

(edit--sorry i didn't realize Sir Boagman was simultaneously typing)
Yes, Hong Hua is good. But, you of course are at possible risk of being disappointed if you go alone and can only afford/consume one dish. Bring coworkers so as to get a variety of options, if possible...

Shangrila is several miles north of there. http://www.ordershangrila.com/contact...
I've only had dim sum when there, and it was pretty decent, but not fantastic. (couple years ago) Hopefully G.L Chowhounds will chime-in here.

To my knowledge, no place in this city serves the southeastern China version of a xaio long bao steamed dumpling having the soup on the inside of the big dumpling. Sorry.

Anyway, welcome and good luck.

[Tripper]

If you are overly concerned...take a pass. I lived near Hung Hua for over 9 years, ate there often and had many meals I enjoyed. But if the risk is too great...skip it.

[moose734]

Chia Shiang in Ann Arbor apparently used to hand make them, but last time I inquired there about them I was told they no longer did. A couple of other places ( including Best China in Canton) have them but there is nary any soup to be found inside of them.

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Chia Shiang
2016 Packard St, Ann Arbor, MI 48104

[jjspw]

VTB makes a good point about Windsor. Unfortunately, since Wah Court closed recently, May Wah Inn is the only remaining dim sum joint in Windsor (that I know of). Still, May Wah Inn is pretty darn good. Not sure what days/times they serve dim sum -- probably weekend mornings-afternoons. They have xiao long bao, but I don't think the filling is the traditional aspic filling that melts into soup when steamed -- I think it's just a basic pork filling.

Unless you're from a city/area that is severely lacking in the ethnic food department, I would strongly recommend against Hong Hua or Shangri-La, or any of the other so-called "dim sum" places in metro Detroit (on the US side of the border, that is). Overpriced, mushy, soggy, waterlogged (excessively-steamed) food -- very, very poor imitations of what real dim sum ought to be.

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Hong Hua
27925 Orchard Lake Rd, Farmington Hills, MI 48334

[oppsie]

Wah Court closed? I am now officially depressed, even though I hadn't been there in forever.

I still say we need to investigate the mysterious dumpling shop/money laundering operation known as TJ's Shanghai Dumpling on John R and 11...if it's still there.

[donbui82]

OMG that's hilarious. I've seen that place. Have been meaning to drop by that place. Anybody wanna team up?

I thought Wah court was overrated. It wasn't that much better, if at all, over Shangri-la's dimsum.

Kim's Garden in Novi, has, IMHO, the best dimsum in SE-MI. Over Shangri-La, East Lake, and golden harvest. Any other places to check out?

don

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Kim's Garden
26150 Novi Rd, Novi, MI 48375

East Lake Restaurant
5087 Rochester Rd, Troy, MI 48085

[oppsie]

I'm in. I drove by last night. Still there, still never seen the "open" sign lit up, but I think I saw a lady inside during my slow roll past. 248-586-9588.

[jjspw]

OMG, I am pretty convinced "TJ's Shanghai Dumplings" is a front for some illegal operation. That place has had the turned-off "OPEN" sign, menus, chairs, decorations... for MONTHS!!! But it's never ever open. I've tried weekdays and weekends, all hours of the day. The place is NEVER OPEN!

I've called a few times, and have never had anyone pick up.

[goatgolfer]

Definitely closed on Sundays. I just got back from there.

[donbui82]

What's their number? 'cuz I peeked in the door. They have a menu, counter top and seats.

don

[goatgolfer]

The power of the internet has been once again exposed. TJ's is registered as JD Trading USA LLC [phone] @ 27312 John R., Madison Hts, MI

We all had expectations of true Shanghai delicacies and oppsie rallied the troops for a discovery. Ultimately, we have an empty storefront with a sign. Motives unknown.

John R and Dequindre still offer many Asian offerings so we shall persevere.

The search for dim-sum and soup dumplings continues. But, TJ"s is off the list for sure.

[oppsie]

I don't know, can we really take it off the list? I swear I saw a human in there Friday night. The seats, the menu...there is still hope. Next time I see signs of life I'm going to go pound on the door, at which point I'll probably be foiled by my lack of Mandarin/Cantonese/whatever language they speak in there.