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Top Chef All-Stars - Ep. #2 - 12/08/10 (Spoilers)

LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 06:15 PM

OK, from the previews, we know this is the season's "Cook For Kids" episode. And Joe Jonas, from the Jonas Brothers teen group, is a guest judge. Please, Bravo - don't show him and his brothers performing for the kids in the museum? PLEASE???? Oh, and guess what? Katie Lee Joel is back as a guest judge! Let's see if she's still wooden.

Right into the QuickFire: the cheftestants need to create a dish that will become the midnight snack for 150 kids staying overnight at New York's American Museum of Natural History. No utensils, no plates - the dish has to go into a brown paper bag. They have 45 minutes to create it. I'm thinking candy or cookies.

Dale Levitski grabbed a bunch of sugary snacks, mixed it all together, and said "Basically I'm making crack for kids." LOL! Mike Isabella is making chocolate polenta bars. Dale Talde bogarted ALL of the sugar, pissing off other chefs.

Tiffani Faison realized she was a complete asshat in her season in what she said about kids' palates...by now, she's learned - give the kids what they want! Antonia notes that Mike I. is sweating up a storm - something I read in TV Guide article from this week - there is no A/C or fans in the kitchen, as the sound is picked up by the microphones - THAT is why we always see them sweating so much!

OMG, Dale L.'s dish sounds SO good - like a "10 year old rave!" LOL

Joe Jonas' Worst dishes - Tiffany Derry, Mike Isabella, and Stephen.

Joe Jonas' Favorite dishes - Spike's and Tiffani's dishes. And he can't pick either, so Padma says "let the kids decide!" Not a happy Spike! And these cheftestants REALLY seem scared of kids - hey, they WERE kids once! LOL They'll both have to make their midnight snack, and they get "help" from their other cheftestants. INTERESTING split for the teams - all of the women (except Carla) and "their bodyguard", as Dale L. called himself, against all of the guys plus Carla. Funny. :-)

LOL! As they're beginning prep, Casey says "I'm very good with Rice Krispie hand jobs!" as she's mixing up Tiffani's chocolate Rice Krispies "whoopie pies". REALLY, Casey? LOL

I'm laughing at all of the comments by the chefs about the kids' eating their dishes...the kids are hopped up on lots of sugar, yowza! But as Casey said - they're not the chefs' kids! LOL So - sugar high, and then a teen heartthrob shows up? What does that mean? Ear-piercing SCREAMS!

And whoa - the Blue Team (Tiffani's team) DEFINITELY won the Quickfire based on the yays from the kids - yay for Tiffani! Chef Tom Colicchio shows up to discuss the Elimination Challenge - which starts NOW. The cheftestants are TIRED, and are not looking very happy. Rut-roh for them!

What's the EC? The cheftestants are joining the sleep-over at the Museum! No beer and bed for them - they have to create a breakfast for the kids, service at 7:30am. They can only cook with what they find what is in the Museum kitchen....one team gets Meats, Fish, Eggs and Dairy only (T-Rex) and the other team gets Vegetables, Fruit and Grains) (Brontosaurus). There is a winning and losing team, and one chef from the losing team will go home.

Tiffani takes the T-Rex theme, leaving Spike with Brontosaurus. They get cots in one of the exhibit halls on which to bed down. But some of the guys go on a flashlight tour of the museum...and then they're up at 3:45am to start prep and cooking...anyone who *did* sleep only got 45 minutes of sleep - ugh! Which would be better - staying up, or trying to catch a cat-nap? I'm thinking a short cat nap would be better.

They make a mad dash into the Museum kitchen - TONS of food (so they don't have to worry that their menu has to be drastically altered). But Team T-Rex is started to sweat, as they cannot bake (no flour), nor do they get herbs, spices, etc. (carnivores are *not* omnivores, at least for this challenge). Meanwhile Team Brontosaurus seems to be liking their dishes and the choices of food items they have.

And OUCH - Jaime sliced opened her thumb - seemingly very badly. Off to the hospital for stitches, so Team T-Rex is down a man. Hmmm...Jennifer's pork belly tastes like wet bacon, according to Casey? That doesn't sound good - but Jennifer said it tastes good. And cut to commercial...

We're back, and they head outside to set up their stations. Marcel and Angelo have a bit of a tiff re: the size of cut plums for one of their dishes. And Jaime comes back, and it's revealed she only got two stitches. Dale L. and Tre are both "really? Just two stitches?"

The kids come up, and start getting their food...and who shows up but Katie Lee Joel as a guest judge. Marcel's Banana Parfait seems to get rave reviews, as does Tiffani's Steak and Eggs. But it's noticed that the Meat line is much longer - people are going for the more filling foods - the kids weren't going for the veggies.

Judges Table preview shows Jennifer mouthing off - yeah, probably NOT a good thing if you're in the Bottom Team? LOL

And we HAVE a candidate for the next Top Chef tee-shirt! In a quick spot between commercials, they're talking about Fabio's schmoozing and kissing everyone, and Blais says "Fabio's like the Mayor! Vote for Fabio!" LOL

Just thought I'd highlight that. :-)

Padma wants to see Team Brontosaurus FIRST! And yes, they're the winning team! Wow. Fabio's gnocchi are praised, as were the gorditas. And Angelo, Marcel and Richard's Banana Parfait wins overall! Oh keerist, Marcel - REALLY? You should have won because you had more components on the plate? :::::SMACK!:::::

Team T-Rex goes in for their beatdown. Tiffany's and Antonia's frittatas were inconsistent, Casey's salmon and Tre's reduced sauce was too salty. PLEASE don't send Tre home because of the salty sauce! Jaime also gets called out for not even being there, and her teammates even say it made no difference that she wasn't there. That could be bad for her.

Wow. Jennifer is being REALLY nasty - both in what she's saying AND in her Lisa Fernandes'-type stance with arms crossed! She says her dish was perfectly seasoned, and Tom C. says they'll have to agree to disagree. Tom said that he doesn't *mind* the chefs talking back to the judges, but that was harsh! And when she was asked "were you like that in your season?" she says "ABSOLUTELY NOT! Welcome to the Jennifer All-Stars?" I'm not sure I like this "new and improved" Jennifer. She's more like Tiffani was in TC1 - very abrasive. As I said - like Lisa Fernandes.

Jen's dish doesn't get good discussion amongst the judges - soft, on soft, and more soft on top of that. But they *do* end about Jaime. Hmmm...

And we're back. Tiffani and Dale L.'s dish were the favorites, so they get to go back to the Stew Room. OMG, please, it CANNOT be Tre! WHOA!!!! It's Jennifer who's gone! Well, Tom C. said there were plenty of surprises in this season, and THIS one is the biggest one I think that could have happened!

Holy Crap. Even ALL of the other cheftestants are stunned. And she lets loose when she leaves the Stew Room, with a lot of bleeps. "The judges got it wrong" is what she says. This will be an interesting blog by Tom Colicchio, I'm sure.

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  1. chris2269 RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 06:19 PM

    Jamie just grates and grates on me ...she is such a beating. I know that all that is based an personality but I have eaten her food and trust me it does not justifiey her attitude.

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      jackbauer RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 06:26 PM

      These kids are going to need a dumptruck full of Ritalin. I could tell that Tiffani matured, her confession about being an ass was nice to hear. I hope she wins, she was my pick from the getgo. For some reason I want an older season chef to win.

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      1. re: jackbauer
        chris2269 RE: jackbauer Dec 8, 2010 06:38 PM

        Agree, it's interesting to see the ones that came out with a chip on thier shoulder and the ones that became more humble.

        1. re: chris2269
          NellyNel RE: chris2269 Dec 10, 2010 05:55 AM

          Good Point!

          So far it seems to me that Marcel seems to have matured a bit, as does Tiffani and Spike, yet Jamie, Jen, and Fabio seem to have become way more arrogant!

          1. re: NellyNel
            Miss Needle RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 08:54 AM

            I'm not so sure about Marcel maturing. There he goes again saying how Angelo may be trying to sabotage him and how he's going to keep an eye on him. They were on the same freakin' team making the same dish! Marcel is still as neurotic as ever.

            1. re: Miss Needle
              momjamin RE: Miss Needle Dec 10, 2010 08:59 AM

              I tend to agree with Miss Needle -- but we're only two weeks in, we may yet get plenty of Marcel screen time. I do agree Tiffani has matured. I think she'd even learned plenty between her regular season and the finale, having seen herself on the show, but she'd already forfeited good will with her sous chefs. Every other time we've seen her -- specials or now -- she's been much more approachable.

              1. re: Miss Needle
                NellyNel RE: Miss Needle Dec 10, 2010 09:01 AM

                He is agreeably quirky and annoying..
                Arrogant as well, but all of them pretty much are..

                But he does seem a bit more mature to me...
                He definitely praised both Elia and Tre as chef's in the first 2 episodes - which I respect, and he seemed kind of sweet when he was talking about the museum.

                He never came across as a conniving kind of guy to me, just an annoying kind of guy.....An insecure guy who has been picked on allot, and puts on the arrogant act as a front

                1. re: NellyNel
                  John E. RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 09:10 AM

                  If Marcel has been picked on a lot, I believe it's mostly his own doing. Marcel said if they could only select one winner it would have to be him because he had the most components...what, Marcel did you clean the most berries and peel the most bananas?

                  1. re: John E.
                    NellyNel RE: John E. Dec 10, 2010 09:17 AM

                    oh broher!
                    All the chefs say arrogant things!
                    As someone pointed out somewhere on this threrad - he was most likely prompted to say that..
                    What about Jamie, last week?
                    "I feel I am a better chef than my team-mates so I wanted to focus on MY dish"

                    Now that's arrogance!

                    1. re: NellyNel
                      John E. RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 09:19 AM

                      I agree. That was my point.

                2. re: Miss Needle
                  Chimayo Joe RE: Miss Needle Dec 10, 2010 03:14 PM

                  Or maybe Marcel just watched Angelo's season of TC. Whether Angelo was sabotaging people under the guise of helping them was constantly being brought up during his season.

                  1. re: Chimayo Joe
                    John E. RE: Chimayo Joe Dec 10, 2010 04:13 PM

                    That logic doesn't work because Angelo and Marcel (and Richard) were worrying on the same dish. When Angelo supposedly 'sabotaged' other's dishes in TC 7 they weren't dishes for which he was also responsible.

                    1. re: John E.
                      Ruth Lafler RE: John E. Dec 10, 2010 06:52 PM

                      Also, I believe All Stars was filmed before TC7 aired, so Marcel wouldn't know anything about how Angelo interacted with the other chefs in that competition.

                      1. re: Ruth Lafler
                        ipsedixit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 10, 2010 06:54 PM

                        Actually, I believe TC All Stars was in filming when TC7's last few episodes were airing. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, which is very likely.

                        1. re: ipsedixit
                          huiray RE: ipsedixit Dec 10, 2010 07:39 PM

                          The first eater.com report was on Sept 1 saying about TC:AS that "...it's shooting right now (the American Museum of Natural History was a rumored recent location)". http://eater.com/archives/2010/09/01/...

                          Oh, BTW it is also known that Angelo was asked to participate, as a last minute addition to the originally-cast 17-member group, just days after the finale of TC7 was completed and that TC8 (TC:AS) started filming just 1-1/2 weeks later: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidetheb...

                        2. re: Ruth Lafler
                          John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 10, 2010 07:38 PM

                          Somebody saw them doing TC 8 in NYC on September 02 and posted this: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7316...

                          The finale was shown on 09-15-10.

                        3. re: John E.
                          Chimayo Joe RE: John E. Dec 10, 2010 10:13 PM

                          Maybe Marcel took it as an attempt to undermine his confidence rather than an attempt to ruin the dish.

                          FWIW, I don't believe Angelo is out to sabotage anyone this season or that he was out to do that in Season 7 to anyone. I think it's just Angelo being Angelo and wanting things the way he wants them and not being shy about pushing in that direction.

                3. re: jackbauer
                  Miss Needle RE: jackbauer Dec 8, 2010 09:02 PM

                  I think Tiffani matured a lot in Season 1's finale, but nobody gave her the chance because people were so upset with her behavior during the season. She's also on my list of people to root for.

                  1. re: Miss Needle
                    debbiel RE: Miss Needle Dec 9, 2010 05:07 AM

                    She's on my list to root for, too, Miss Needle.

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                  jackbauer RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 06:42 PM

                  Casey's comment about the virgin ritz cracker hand job made my pork loin sizzle.

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                    LindaWhit RE: jackbauer Dec 8, 2010 06:53 PM


                    1. re: jackbauer
                      debbiel RE: jackbauer Dec 8, 2010 07:29 PM

                      Ha! I actually thought it was Dale who said that. Great line, either way!

                      1. re: debbiel
                        pollymerase RE: debbiel Dec 9, 2010 05:32 AM

                        I think dale said it first and then Casey was riffing off it.

                        1. re: pollymerase
                          debbiel RE: pollymerase Dec 9, 2010 05:45 AM

                          That just might be it Polly. Of course, we'll need to verify this for the t-shirts. :)

                          1. re: pollymerase
                            10foot5 RE: pollymerase Dec 9, 2010 08:41 AM

                            It was hard to hear because they were both sort of mumbling under their breath, but Dale said.

                            "...like a Ritz cracker hand-job"
                            <<cut to some thing else>>
                            >>cut back to Casey & Dale>>
                            "I'm a Ritz cracker hand-job virgin"

                      2. k
                        karenfinan RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 06:55 PM

                        boy the elves sure are making it look like Jen is going home, hope it isn't true!!

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                        1. re: karenfinan
                          Siun RE: karenfinan Dec 8, 2010 07:06 PM

                          Whoa Jen! Omg!

                          1. re: karenfinan
                            karenfinan RE: karenfinan Dec 8, 2010 07:15 PM

                            oh, dang, it was her...a great chef who didn't do well in the contest format?

                            1. re: karenfinan
                              LindaWhit RE: karenfinan Dec 8, 2010 07:17 PM

                              But you can't say that - she did great in her OWN season. Just not this time. I'm really wondering if how strong she was in speaking to Tom C. affected her chances.

                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                karenfinan RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:24 PM

                                Jen was one of my faves, for sure...just trying to figure out what went wrong. I was really sorry to see her go. thanks for the great updates, by the way :-)

                                1. re: karenfinan
                                  LindaWhit RE: karenfinan Dec 8, 2010 07:26 PM

                                  She was one of my Top 3 or 4. But I *knew* that there were some major upsets, based on what I had read in various interviews with Tom C., so when I saw what path the Elves were leading us down early in the previews/show, I thought it might be her.

                                  And I still can't get into the Bravo site - it FINALLY came up with "Service Unavailable."

                                  Service Unavailable - Zero size object
                                  The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.

                                  How much you wanna bet their server crashed? LOL

                                  1. re: karenfinan
                                    NellyNel RE: karenfinan Dec 10, 2010 05:59 AM

                                    I think it was her attitude -is what went wrong!
                                    She was adamant that her dish was good, yet every critique we saw was negative!
                                    Including Casey who said it tasted like wet bacon!!
                                    It didnt even LOOK good.

                                    1. re: karenfinan
                                      JuniorBalloon RE: karenfinan Dec 11, 2010 08:33 AM

                                      Sorry to see her go. I would be very surprised if we can't take Tom C at his word that he doesn't mind if the chefs are agressive at JT. I think Jen fell to the under cooked pork belly. It has happened to a lot of good chefs. If I remeber correctly Blais fell to it in his season and I think Kevin may have also, though his might not have been pork belly. They just don't have enough time to do a long braise.


                                      1. re: JuniorBalloon
                                        Miss Needle RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 11, 2010 08:52 AM

                                        I would probably think that Jen overcooked it as it was being described as being mushy. Undercooking pork belly will just make it tough.

                                        1. re: Miss Needle
                                          JuniorBalloon RE: Miss Needle Dec 11, 2010 09:17 AM

                                          That could be, what I remeber hearing was wet and chewy. I'll have to watch it again.

                                          Side note on watching. Do you all know that the episodes are available on Hulu the day after it airs? I'm sure this isn't a revelation, but for any that don't, it is and you can watch on your computer or on your television if you have an HDMI cable (is that too techy? :o) )


                                          1. re: JuniorBalloon
                                            Miss Needle RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 11, 2010 09:44 AM

                                            Yeah, that's too techy for my brain. : )

                                            Oh, I DVR it (and make sure it's set so that it doesn't get deleted if my DVR fills up). Though last week, it didn't DVR for some reason. Luckily I caught it and DVRd one of the zillions of repeats that evening.

                                            1. re: Miss Needle
                                              goodhealthgourmet RE: Miss Needle Dec 11, 2010 12:28 PM

                                              FYI, the HDMI is one of those heavy duty cables like the one that connects your DVR or a DVD player to your TV. if you have a DVD player connected, just disconnect that cable from the back of the DVD player and plug it into your computer...you should now be able to watch the downloads on your TV screen.

                                              or just tell DH to figure it out for you ;)

                                              but they rerun the episodes so frequently that it probably wouldn't ever be necessary unless you absolutely HAD to get your "fix" at a specific moment when a repeat wasn't airing.

                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                JuniorBalloon RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 11, 2010 01:05 PM

                                                I never get to catch the first showing, airs after my bed time. It's really nice to be able to watch when it's convenient for me.


                                              2. re: Miss Needle
                                                trolley RE: Miss Needle Dec 11, 2010 01:49 PM

                                                i tivo it but it didn't record this week either. the data was apparently wrong so it didn't think it was a new episode...

                                                1. re: trolley
                                                  mcf RE: trolley Dec 13, 2010 08:42 AM

                                                  Mine didn't record, either, and I think it's because the listing was "Top Chef" instead of the original "Top Chef Masters" entry on the TiVo directory, so season pass manager didn't pick it up, but did once I made the change.

                                              3. re: JuniorBalloon
                                                Miss Needle RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 11, 2010 10:03 AM

                                                My bad. I think you're correct as Jen says in this interview that she would have cooked the bacon more if she could do it over.


                                        2. re: LindaWhit
                                          chicgail RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 11:40 AM

                                          I don't think it made any difference and Tom said as much. It sure looked like it was Jen or Tre. Her dish just sounded not so good. It did, however, make for "good TV" for the elves.

                                          Let's see what he says about it on his blog.

                                        3. re: karenfinan
                                          Siun RE: karenfinan Dec 8, 2010 07:34 PM

                                          In her season she always seemed to be struggling even though she did well - there were so many comments about her talent but she made a lot of mistakes and kept beating up on herself. Given where she works, I've gotta assume TC is just really not her format. I kept wondering tonight if she knew how bad the dish was and just refused to look weak? That rant modevwas really weird.

                                          1. re: Siun
                                            dach RE: Siun Dec 9, 2010 06:40 AM

                                            I thought she was very drunk. We knew before she could party and drink and curse like a pirate. That didn't bother me so much... though it does make a good PSA against over drinking.

                                            I was baffled why she thought her conception was any good at all. It didn't look or sound good. Why didn't she pick seafood as protein? S6 she did seem to weakest at EC challenges where she had to think on her feet and be creative in overcoming adversity. She is technical master, and very quick and confident, but her creativity has always been a question. This time she wasn't able to sidestep her lack of creativity

                                            1. re: dach
                                              pollymerase RE: dach Dec 9, 2010 07:30 AM

                                              I also couldn't help but wonder how drunk and exhausted she was. However, it did sound like the judges found it fairly obvious which dish was the weakest, so perhaps the judging wasn't as long as some of the marathon sessions.

                                              1. re: pollymerase
                                                momjamin RE: pollymerase Dec 9, 2010 07:59 AM

                                                Ironically, the wikihow.com entry that shows up on my iGoogle this morning is "How to Control Your Temper While Sleep Deprived."

                                      2. mattstolz RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:06 PM

                                        woah at jen goin off at the judges!

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                                        1. re: mattstolz
                                          Siun RE: mattstolz Dec 8, 2010 07:09 PM

                                          Glad our Chi guy Dale L is looking safe - and showing his wit ...

                                        2. LindaWhit RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:19 PM

                                          BTW, I've been trying to load the Bravo Top Chef home page for several minutes, and I have a feeling they're going to crash - it's not loading at ALL (but I'm not yet getting a 404 message or a failure to load message). People must be PISSED! LOL

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                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                            momjamin RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:22 PM

                                            It was like that an hour before the show -- I was trying to watch a preview.

                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                              momjamin RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:25 PM

                                              Got there -- Tom's isn't up, but Tony's on a roll...

                                              1. re: momjamin
                                                LindaWhit RE: momjamin Dec 8, 2010 07:52 PM

                                                I'm reading it now. Best. Paragraph. EVER! is:

                                                "In trying to understand what the Deep Thinkers at Bravo Central were thinking, one can only imagine an urgent desire to appeal to that vital demographic of potential car buyers in the age 8-13 group. I would have thought it past their bedtime when Top Chef airs. In fact, I'd guess that about 99% of the people who even know or care who the Jonas Brothers are would be long asleep in their jammies by the time Top Chef comes on. But what do I know? At least many of these young people will be, in time, making heavy use of the Glad Family of Bags -- as I did as a tween. Good to start early building that kind of brand loyalty."


                                                But he REALLY takes to task Jennifer's way of leaving - almost as bad as Elia's way, he says. Good!

                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                  momjamin RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 03:04 AM

                                                  Also spot-on: "When one embarks on an enterprise where one can reasonably anticipate coming face to face with Joe Jonas, Paula Deen, or Elmo at any moment, or be asked to grill satay in the back of a moving Toyota Highlander, it is useful to have a sense of humor about oneself." LOL!

                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                    mattstolz RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 04:54 AM

                                                    i just read bourdains blog and i gotta say, that thing was entertaining! hahaha but i think you stopped one line before the funniest line in that paragraph!

                                                    "You could actually see the chef/contestants' expressions cave, their spirits slump -- as it became clear that whomever was going home today would be doing so covered in a sticky sheen of Twizzlers, Silly Bandz, and crushed Ritalin"


                                                  2. re: momjamin
                                                    debbiel RE: momjamin Dec 8, 2010 07:53 PM

                                                    One of his best posts yet, I think.

                                                  3. re: LindaWhit
                                                    lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:27 PM

                                                    Yep, I was having the same problem. Got in this way:

                                                    1. re: lisavf
                                                      LindaWhit RE: lisavf Dec 8, 2010 07:41 PM

                                                      Thanks! Only Gail's blog is up so far. I'll read Tom's tomorrow.

                                                      And where Gail says "I hate to think we need to justify who we chose to send home, but I have a hunch this dismissal will incite more than a quiet outcry from our dedicated viewers." I think she's absolutely right! LOL

                                                      But it seems EVERYONE disliked Jen's dish the most - kids AND judges (although the kids were just polled; their opinions didn't count in final decision).

                                                      However...what is NOT addressed is the fact that Jaime didn't conceive, cook, or help with any of the dishes. Yes, I know judges don't know what goes on behind the scenes; they judge on food alone. But they WERE aware that Jaime didn't help out - so why wasn't she dinged more for essentially not doing anything?

                                                      Hopefully Tom will address it.

                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                        karenfinan RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:50 PM

                                                        Eric Ripert's blog is up- it is actually 3 videos so you can sit through 3 commercials :-) He thinks Jen should not have been so aggresive with the judges, then makes astrong arguement for her to have stayed. He really, really doesn't like Jaime, rips her pretty well. I think she totally bailed on the competition, thinking she could milk the minor cut and get out of this challenge. It worked.....

                                                        1. re: karenfinan
                                                          chris2269 RE: karenfinan Dec 8, 2010 08:34 PM

                                                          She has found out how to bail on 2 team challenges now. First was "lets cook our own dishes" Second was oohhh I cut my finger. Coo9k or go home B.

                                                          1. re: karenfinan
                                                            LindaWhit RE: karenfinan Dec 9, 2010 04:50 AM

                                                            Yeah, I have a feeling Jaime's dropped further on the "Don't Like" list. Potentially at the bottom? LOL

                                                            1. re: karenfinan
                                                              C. Hamster RE: karenfinan Dec 9, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                              Well Jen works for him and Jamie isn't impressed with his food ...

                                                              1. re: karenfinan
                                                                chefhound RE: karenfinan Dec 9, 2010 03:34 PM

                                                                Damn! We can't watch any videos on the Bravo site here in Canada. I really wanted to hear Eric Ripert's vlog. Sometimes the folks at Bravo transcribe it for those of us outside the US but so far no luck.

                                                                I don't supposed anyone here would like to provide a transcript?

                                                                1. re: chefhound
                                                                  John E. RE: chefhound Dec 9, 2010 05:11 PM

                                                                  I suppose I'm showing my ignorance here but why can't you watch the Bravo videos in Canada?

                                                                  1. re: John E.
                                                                    kleine mocha RE: John E. Dec 10, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                                    Some legal reasons re: copyright, etc. I couldn't watch Project Runway episodes when traveling in Canada last year either. Nor can I watch BBC broadcasts of English sports events here in the US.

                                                                    1. re: kleine mocha
                                                                      John E. RE: kleine mocha Dec 10, 2010 04:17 PM

                                                                      If they're online, how are they being blocked? Are the Canadian ISPs in on it?

                                                                      1. re: John E.
                                                                        pollymerase RE: John E. Dec 10, 2010 05:13 PM

                                                                        I'm pretty sure a lot of US networks/sites block ISPs from outside the US. I believe Hulu does as well, however, they might allow Canada.

                                                                        1. re: pollymerase
                                                                          John E. RE: pollymerase Dec 10, 2010 05:47 PM

                                                                          I don't try to watch any TV shows online so I guess I'm learning. I guess I don't understand why the bravo site would be blocked un Canada.

                                                                          1. re: John E.
                                                                            momjamin RE: John E. Dec 11, 2010 09:48 AM

                                                                            "Geo-blocking" article that may be of interest. http://www.thestar.com/article/583846

                                                              2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:51 PM

                                                                Bourdain's is up as well, just FYI.

                                                                I think if Jen had said, yes, Jamie's absence hurt the dish, then Jamie would have gone home. That said, it seems like it was just a bad dish. And I don't get the egg on top. It was just crumbled hard-cooked eggs, wasn't it?

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                  NellyNel RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 06:09 AM


                                                                  This was exactly what I was going to bring up when I finished reading the posts and got to my posting my own thoughts..

                                                                  You really had me thinking it WAS Jamie from your sly post to me yesterday!!!

                                                                  I was sort of thinking if they boot Jamie - it's sort of not fair, but actually when Jen got the boot, I thought - "wait a minute Jamie didnt complete the challenge - why should Jen get the boot??
                                                                  and really, perhaps the dish would have been better if Jen wasnt stuck doing it on her own - she had a definite disadvantage to the other chefs!

                                                                  1. re: NellyNel
                                                                    huiray RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 06:54 AM

                                                                    LW asked why Jamie wasn't dinged more, whereas you wonder about her possibly getting the boot instead. As others here and elsewhere have commented, TPTB cannot boot Jamie because she had a medical incident - for legal, insurance, and precedent-setting reasons. If she was asked if she wanted medical attention and declined (As was the case with Fabio in Season 5), that would be a different matter than being told she needed medical attention (as she stated was the case).

                                                                    1. re: huiray
                                                                      NellyNel RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 07:27 AM

                                                                      I have a vauque recolection of a similar incident on "The Next Food Network Star".
                                                                      I am pretty sure the said contestant was up for the boot because she left to get stitches and did not complete the challenge. I remember a big deal was made of it.
                                                                      In the end though, someone else was eliminated.

                                                                      (I think!)

                                                                      1. re: NellyNel
                                                                        goodhealthgourmet RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 08:33 AM

                                                                        it was that wacky woman Dzindra. she had a scratch on her cornea - another injury that many or most of us would have powered through as opposed to leaving the kitchen...and yes, they gave her a pass, but she got the well-deserved boot the following week.

                                                                        1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                          sommrluv RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                          Corneal abrasions are SO painful. It's a bizarre pain because you can't power through it...Did you ever get something really scratchy in your eye? It's ten times worse.

                                                                          I worked at an optometrist while in College and I've seen grown men sob. I've also had one, and to compare with broken bones and cuts needing stiches...I'd find it impossible to work through.

                                                                          All that taken into effect...she seemed to be milking the injury.

                                                                          1. re: sommrluv
                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: sommrluv Dec 10, 2010 02:53 PM

                                                                            i've had numerous corneal abrasions AND tears, one of which was so severe that the doctor taped my eye shut and made me wear a patch for 3 days...and i still would have gone back into that kitchen and finished the challenge.

                                                                            then again, i once ran 12 miles with a fractured heel bone, so perhaps i'm a wee bit tougher than most ;)

                                                                          2. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                            NellyNel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 08:38 AM


                                                                            Thanks for the re-fresh!
                                                                            Oh yeah she was a banana - that one!

                                                                        2. re: huiray
                                                                          debbiel RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 08:14 AM

                                                                          I don't think we know that TPTB could not give Jamie the boot. We have no idea (or at least I don't) what is in the contract related to such issues. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure they could (and probably do) write those contracts in a way that would allow them to cut someone even in this situation. Tom implied (or at least kind of barely hinted at the idea) that things might have been different if Jen had said she was hurt by Jamie not being there.

                                                                          1. re: huiray
                                                                            cowboyardee RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 10:09 AM

                                                                            "As others here and elsewhere have commented, TPTB cannot boot Jamie because she had a medical incident - for legal, insurance, and precedent-setting reasons."

                                                                            That just doesn't scan. Do you think that if she had a minor heart attack, they would hold a place for her in the finals? Or stop filming until she got better? That after seven seasons, the contestants' contracts with Top Chef would still be missing a "sucks to be you" medical clause? Doesn't hold water.

                                                                            I'm sure she had an absolute right to receive medical treatment. But it was a Self-Inflicted knife wound - they certainly could have sent her home the next day anyway with no more explanation than 'bad luck - watch your thumb next time you're on a televised cooking competition.'

                                                                            1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                              LindaWhit RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                              That after seven seasons, the contestants' contracts with Top Chef would still be missing a "sucks to be you" medical clause?
                                                                              :-D The part in quotes is bolded and underlined in the contract. ;-)

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                huiray RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 10:56 AM

                                                                                Is it really? Please confirm, that would be good to know.

                                                                                1. re: huiray
                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 11:02 AM

                                                                                  LOL! No, I'm teasing, huiray - I think it SHOULD be in bolded and underlined in the contract - wouldn't that be hysterical for the chefs or their lawyers to read? ;-)

                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                    huiray RE: LindaWhit Dec 12, 2010 04:09 AM

                                                                                    Well, you used the verb 'is'. :-|

                                                                              2. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                huiray RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 11:00 AM

                                                                                I think you are being disingenuous.

                                                                                The circumstances surely must factor into whatever contract they would have with the producers or the show. Of course I don't know the details but I certainly agree it stands to reason that someone suffering a major medical incident (heart attack, nervous breakdown) would probably be required to withdraw.

                                                                                The circumstances in the current episode involve a minor medical incident, not life threatening but for which she was apparently told she needed medical attention by the medic of the show, which if used as sole justification for dismissing her due to inability to complete her task can be construed as an unfair penalty [meaning you don't know how his/her food would have turned out in the end][even if Jen in this case said it didn't matter]. So - a pass for the circumstances seems acceptable, but not to be repeated without justification, I might speculate, depending perhaps on the circumstances and the discretion of the judges and/or producers.

                                                                                <Shrug> If there are indeed specific terms in their contracts that people know of [LW, is that term really in their contracts as you claim above, or are you joking?] that specify how they will be dismissed from the show for medical reasons please let's hear about them.

                                                                                1. re: huiray
                                                                                  debbiel RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 11:06 AM

                                                                                  I shouldn't speak for Linda, but...I'm pretty sure she was joking.

                                                                                  I think a similar discussion occurred when Angelo was sick in last season's finale, but I'll still go ahead and share my view. There must be many competitions for which one must participate (i.e., complete the challenge) in all rounds in order to compete. If Nadal can't compete in an early round of a tennis tournament because of illness or injury he does not get a pass into the next round. He is simply out. I don't think that would be considered unfair to him. It's just a bad break. Life happens.

                                                                                  1. re: debbiel
                                                                                    James Cristinian RE: debbiel Dec 10, 2010 11:19 AM

                                                                                    On one of those Keegan Gerhard cake challenges, one of the contestants passed out and had to be taken off by the EMT's. Some of the other contestants helped her assistant, but in the end she ended up losing and didn't get the 10 grand.

                                                                                  2. re: huiray
                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 11:15 AM

                                                                                    A contestant from Top Chef Desserts was indeed required to withdraw when he suffered a nervous breakdown.

                                                                                    These shows walk a fine line when it comes to liability -- the last thing they want is for someone to have an injury that doesn't get proper treatment and then if the injury gets worse due to lack of treatment, have the contestant sue on the grounds that they were encouraged not to get treatment (even indirectly, i.e., they could be eliminated for taking time to get treatment). In general, the medics have the final say: if they say you need treatment, then you get treatment. The number of stitches isn't necessarily indicative of how serious the injury is, for example if she nicked an artery or it was very deep and they were worried about infection then even a small gash could require treatment.

                                                                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                      beachmouse RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 11, 2010 06:12 AM

                                                                                      There was a secondhand (and also unverified) report on TWOP where someone who knew one of the contestants said that what actually happened was that Seth allegedly assaulted one of the assistant producers, resulting in security guards removing him from the set.

                                                                                      Also that head wound Heather got that way because she biffed her head in the middle of the first challenge, and that she just got a couple of butterfly bandages from the on-set medic and soldiered on with the challenge. I guess other contestants were providing enough drama at that point.

                                                                                    2. re: huiray
                                                                                      cowboyardee RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 11:25 AM

                                                                                      Why would you accuse me of being disingenuous?

                                                                                      It makes no sense whatsoever that cutting yourself should give you an automatic immunity for the challenge. I pointed out that their contracts would almost certainly deal with medical mishaps. No, I can't point you to the specific clause, because I haven't read one of their contracts. But you really think that's unlikely? Then have I got a bridge to sell you.

                                                                                      Now, I can see the judges or producers wanting to keep someone around in a borderline situation just for the appearance of (or heck, not even appearances) good will and fair play. But liability wouldn't factor into it. Maybe if the contestant was cut by someone else's knife or something.

                                                                                      1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                        huiray RE: cowboyardee Dec 12, 2010 04:10 AM

                                                                                        "I pointed out that their contracts would almost certainly deal with medical mishaps"
                                                                                        I did not say that the contracts did not.

                                                                                        1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                          huiray RE: cowboyardee Dec 18, 2010 06:37 AM

                                                                                          Colicchio in his 12-16-2010 blog says, "Jamie injured herself and a medic told her she needed stitches. We cannot send people home for being injured. It doesn’t matter whether someone else might have stayed and cooked; it was legitimate for Jamie to seek medical attention."

                                                                                          1. re: huiray
                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: huiray Dec 18, 2010 08:08 AM

                                                                                            he also addressed it on that after-show with Andy Cohen & Amy Sedaris, saying pretty much the same thing...he also raised the same point many of us have - that she could have chosen to have it taped up, finished the challenge, and then gone for treatment...but that opting to go the safe route was valid, and not grounds for elimination.

                                                                                            1. re: huiray
                                                                                              cowboyardee RE: huiray Dec 18, 2010 01:09 PM

                                                                                              'Colicchio in his... blog says... "We cannot send people home for being injured."'
                                                                                              I read the blog. I dunno. Maybe. Maybe cutting yourself is an auto-safe. Maybe being injured preserves your position on Top Chef. Maybe the contestants' contracts, which Anthony Bourdain described as (IIRC) 'so draconian as to be the envy of the NSA' don't adequately protect the show from lawsuit in the case of an easily foreseeable contestant -caused mishap. Maybe.

                                                                                              But my bullshit meter is flashing bright red. They could have sent Jamie home. They just chose not to.

                                                                                              1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                                debbiel RE: cowboyardee Dec 18, 2010 03:57 PM

                                                                                                I think you have to be right cowboyardee. They certainly would be able to write the contracts in a way that protects the show, so why wouldn't they? And, it just doesn't make sense. Is there any other competition where you can sit out a round and still advance?

                                                                                                1. re: debbiel
                                                                                                  thew RE: debbiel Dec 18, 2010 04:24 PM

                                                                                                  she didn;t cut herself on purpose. TC said he wouldnt eliminate someone for being injured.

                                                                                                  1. re: thew
                                                                                                    debbiel RE: thew Dec 18, 2010 04:41 PM

                                                                                                    I don't think I suggested that she cut herself on purpose. She did, however, sit out for most of the round. I think it's fairly unusual that one does that in a competition and gets a pass.

                                                                                                    1. re: thew
                                                                                                      cowboyardee RE: thew Dec 18, 2010 06:00 PM

                                                                                                      "TC said he wouldnt eliminate someone for being injured."
                                                                                                      'Wouldn't' is fine and more or less believable, though I've said all along I don't think that's all there is to why Jen was the one eliminated.

                                                                                                      But TC stated that he COULDN'T. That's where I call shenanigans.

                                                                              3. lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:19 PM

                                                                                Disappointed but not surprised. I was sure it was going to be Jen when Casey commented poorly on the dish. While I think Jamie should have been dinged for leaving, since Jen said it made no difference to the dish, the judges had to conclude that it was Jen's dish and would have been Jen's dish even if Jamie had stayed. Honestly, who wants mushy bacon? If she wanted that flavor profile, she could have braised it the way she did and then sliced and fried it like bacon.

                                                                                I do think the meat team had a disadvantage having no herbs. There's only so much you can do with meat alone. That's why I could never do Atkins.

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                                                                                  debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:20 PM

                                                                                  I haven't read the recap yet. I'm not sure I can manage to right now. I'm still in WTF mode. Wow. Now my rant: Jamie did not conceptualize a dish, she did not prepare a dish, and she did not (as far as we know) make any suggestions to fix the seasoning of the eggs when she arrived (there would have been time, perhaps?). I don't understand how she stays. I just don't get it. Yeah, sucks to be injured. She gets a pass for basically not participating; that seems less fair overall than being eliminated for not contributing substantively.

                                                                                  I'll read the rest once I have my comforting cup of warm milk with nutmeg in front of me. Though a shot of whiskey might be a better choice.

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                                                                                  1. re: debbiel
                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: debbiel Dec 8, 2010 07:23 PM

                                                                                    I think your rant is very valid, debbie! Again, it'll be interesting to see what Tom C. has to say.

                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                      debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:49 PM

                                                                                      I just read Gail's blog. She didn't even mention how Jamie factored into the decision of who to send home. When I'M on the show (Top Chef: Mediocre Home Cooks), I'm slicing myself the first time I'm in a challenge I don't feel confident about.

                                                                                      ETA: And no, I don't think Jamie cut herself on purpose.

                                                                                    2. re: debbiel
                                                                                      cowboyardee RE: debbiel Dec 9, 2010 06:52 AM

                                                                                      Jamie didn't go home because Jen refused to throw her under the bus and instead got confrontational with the judges defending her team.

                                                                                      But yeah, the judges still shoulda seen through that and sent Jamie packing instead.

                                                                                      1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                        roxlet RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 07:00 AM

                                                                                        But it was the medics who told Jaimie to get stitches. Would the show be liable if she hadn't. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Jaimie, but I wonder if the fact that she was told to get stitches influenced anything. I wish that she, not Jen, had gone home.

                                                                                        1. re: roxlet
                                                                                          lisavf RE: roxlet Dec 9, 2010 07:07 AM

                                                                                          Yeah, but she could have finished cooking and then gone to get stitches. There were only two hours of cooking time left. I think it would have been easier for the team to plate without her than to cook without her. I liked her in her season. After just two episodes, I'm definitely not liking her now. But I'm not worried. There's no way she'll win.

                                                                                          1. re: lisavf
                                                                                            roxlet RE: lisavf Dec 9, 2010 07:15 AM

                                                                                            Yes, I feel that there will be a bus coming down the pike that she will somehow get thrown under later in the season. The reactions of all the other contestants seems to indicate a general negativity toward what she had done.

                                                                                            1. re: roxlet
                                                                                              jeffreak RE: roxlet Dec 9, 2010 06:29 PM

                                                                                              For what it's worth, Jaime did tweet that she thought she should have been the one to leave. I think she is getting a bit of the villain edit as there didn't seem to be any quotes from her about how she was freaked out because she never had stitches before as noted by Tom. For someone who was such a focal point, we heard little from perspective.

                                                                                              1. re: jeffreak
                                                                                                debbiel RE: jeffreak Dec 10, 2010 04:48 AM

                                                                                                The tweet doesn't surprise me. She looked shocked and uncomfortable when they announced at JT and back in the stew room.

                                                                                          2. re: roxlet
                                                                                            cowboyardee RE: roxlet Dec 9, 2010 08:09 AM

                                                                                            It was two stitches. I've had a knife wound at least as bad in a cooking competition and just put superglue and a glove on it. And I'm not a professional. Or on television. There was never any mention or fear that she hit a tendon or a major nerve. I can't see the show or any reasonably experienced medic pitching a fit about someone holding off on getting a couple stitches in their hand for a few hours.

                                                                                            It's not that I have anything against Jamie. I don't doubt Tom's claim that she had never had stitches before and was a bit more freaked out than the situation warranted. I just think Jen would still be around if she had stated the obvious at judges table - that Jamie did nothing this week and she (jen) could have used someone else tasting and brainstorming and prepping for her dish. The winning dish had three people contributing - you don't think that helped?

                                                                                            1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                              Caitlin McGrath RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 02:22 PM

                                                                                              "I just think Jen would still be around if she had stated the obvious at judges table - that Jamie did nothing this week and she (jen) could have used someone else tasting and brainstorming and prepping for her dish."

                                                                                              Perhaps. But while that seems obvious to us, was it obvious to Jen? I mean, she said flat out that Jamie's absence didn't make a difference, and she even asserted the same in VO while cooking (though granted, that could be editing). Was that because she really didn't want to throw Jamie under the bus, or was it because she was that confident (even though the judges seemed to unanimously agree that her dish was the worst)? I don't know, and I wanted to see Jen stick around longer and wouldn't care if Jamie were out...but I don't have a problem with her elimination under the circumstances, because she cooked a bad dish and chose to go down calling it great rather than admitting it needed help and fighting based on circumstances.

                                                                                              1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                                worldwarz RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 06:01 PM

                                                                                                The healing powers of super glue are amazing.

                                                                                              2. re: roxlet
                                                                                                JonDough RE: roxlet Dec 9, 2010 08:29 AM

                                                                                                Without looking back, she only got like two stitches. She should have powered through it.

                                                                                            2. re: debbiel
                                                                                              C. Hamster RE: debbiel Dec 9, 2010 07:36 AM

                                                                                              I dont get it either. Except for the fact that Jen's dish looked and apparantly tasted bad and Jamie's absence was not her fault, sort of...

                                                                                              I still would hav canned Jamie or maybe Tre for the sauce he knew was salty and served anyway.

                                                                                              1. re: C. Hamster
                                                                                                ChefJune RE: C. Hamster Dec 9, 2010 03:14 PM

                                                                                                Tre "knew his sauce was salty" probably because it sat under the heat lamp after plating. That can be DEATH to a perfect sauce. I got a kick out of Katie Lee blithely saying he should have fixed it. It's against rules to touch the plate after they say hands off! DOH!

                                                                                                1. re: ChefJune
                                                                                                  dach RE: ChefJune Dec 9, 2010 03:22 PM

                                                                                                  Can't they just add bottled water to fix over reduced sauce? I thought I've seen them do that before during service.

                                                                                                  1. re: ChefJune
                                                                                                    pollymerase RE: ChefJune Dec 9, 2010 04:30 PM

                                                                                                    It wasn't under a hot plate, the dishes were prepared to order as the diners and judges came through on this challenge. There was opportunity for him to fix it. Tom said this several times, so it wasn't just Katie Lee.

                                                                                                2. re: debbiel
                                                                                                  NYCkaren RE: debbiel Dec 9, 2010 11:19 AM

                                                                                                  I think they don't like to send people home after they hurt themselves, even if it's a minor cut. They don't want to add insult to injury so they give the person another chance. But it wasn't fair to Jen.

                                                                                                3. John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:23 PM

                                                                                                  Wow. The first episode is at over 425 replies, I wonder how this one will go? Jen must have remembered a winning pork belly-bacon dish Michael Voltaggio made at the air base. I think Jamie should have gone home for doing nothing.

                                                                                                  (While I'm no fan of Marcel and his mom could have done a better job at raising him, she did look hot in the old photo).

                                                                                                  1. tastyjon RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:24 PM

                                                                                                    As a single foodie guy I have a double crush on Jen... one for her attractiveness and another for mad cooking skills.

                                                                                                    But I'm agog at what transpired. She's either batshit passionate about her food or batshit crazy in the head, ignoring reason.

                                                                                                    She's still attractive to us single guys, but is she now: nutty? egotistical? badly edited, etc?

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                                                                                                    1. re: tastyjon
                                                                                                      jackbauer RE: tastyjon Dec 8, 2010 08:26 PM

                                                                                                      Speak for yourself. I'm a single (straight) guy and I find her utterly unappealing both physically and personality-wise. Ding, dong, the witch is dead.

                                                                                                      1. re: jackbauer
                                                                                                        NellyNel RE: jackbauer Dec 10, 2010 06:14 AM


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                                                                                                          thew RE: jackbauer Dec 10, 2010 06:58 AM


                                                                                                      2. mattstolz RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:47 PM

                                                                                                        anyone else remember that old football chant?

                                                                                                        OVER-RATED :clap clap clapclapclap:

                                                                                                        but seriously. thats the funny thing about top chef. you can have the best pedigree coming in and be a awesome chef outside of the show, and then it just doesnt translate well into the competition.

                                                                                                        i would still love to eat Jen's food, dont get me wrong. i just dont think she was ever the greatest top chef competitor. she cracked in her season and tonights episode was just another form of jen cracking IMO

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                                                                                                          smkit RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 07:50 PM

                                                                                                          I'm rooting for Tre (sort of) but he has been rather underwhelming so far. Also, I think Dale T. is riding under the radar and is going to come out smoking.

                                                                                                          With that said, for this episode I think Jamie should have been sent home.

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                                                                                                          1. re: smkit
                                                                                                            NellyNel RE: smkit Dec 10, 2010 06:16 AM

                                                                                                            I have been silently dumbfounded by all the Tre love/praise here...he was good, but nothing spectacular over-the-top...? And you're right, he hasn't been impressive so far...I think he'll make an early exit.

                                                                                                            1. re: NellyNel
                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 06:18 AM

                                                                                                              Nelly, I think we're all remembering him from his own season, where he *did* seem to shine - until Restaurant Wars.

                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                NellyNel RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 07:36 AM

                                                                                                                I really don't remember that!

                                                                                                                Which season was he on?
                                                                                                                Was it the one with Casey and Dale?
                                                                                                                I hated that season - I could never get into it - which is why maybe I just don't remember (?)

                                                                                                                1. re: NellyNel
                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 08:53 AM

                                                                                                                  Yup, TC3 was Tre Wilcox's season. Restaurant Wars was Episodes 9 and 10 - they actually RE-DID Restaurant Wars, as both restaurants' successes were cancelled out by mis-steps.


                                                                                                              2. re: NellyNel
                                                                                                                sommrluv RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                I'd eat a pop tart at his restaurant if I could watch him toast it....shirtless. ;)

                                                                                                                1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                  debbiel RE: sommrluv Dec 10, 2010 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                  Ha! +1

                                                                                                                  1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                    Parrotgal RE: sommrluv Dec 10, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                    Oh yeah, I noticed that too. Let's keep him around for awhile!

                                                                                                                    1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                      DGresh RE: sommrluv Dec 11, 2010 05:24 AM

                                                                                                                      Oh yeah. That scene in the "dorm room" in the museum was quite nice.

                                                                                                                      1. re: DGresh
                                                                                                                        thew RE: DGresh Dec 11, 2010 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                        stop objectifying us men. my eyes are up here, ladies.......

                                                                                                                        1. re: thew
                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: thew Dec 11, 2010 02:48 PM

                                                                                                                          ROFL!!! Well played, thew. ;-)

                                                                                                                    2. re: NellyNel
                                                                                                                      chicgail RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                      I actually thought he might go this week.

                                                                                                                      1. re: chicgail
                                                                                                                        invinotheresverde RE: chicgail Dec 13, 2010 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                        He should've gone this week. All he made was a sauce, which he fucked up.

                                                                                                                        1. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                                                          chicgail RE: invinotheresverde Dec 13, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                          Apparently the judges didn't think his sauce was as egregious as Jen's pork belly (or was it bacon?).

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                                                                                                                    sommrluv RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 08:06 PM

                                                                                                                    Does anyone know what exactly she says when she left the stew room?

                                                                                                                    She didn't come off as cocky to me, she came off as being so horridly upset she was barely holding it together, and didn't want to cry on camera, so almost had to put off a rude front.

                                                                                                                    To be honest, I would have been ten times worse having minimal/no sleep and probably not eating any real kind of breakfast...or worse...no coffee!

                                                                                                                    Jamie to me, has the type of personality who would take cutting herself as an "out" of a challenge she thought was beneath her. When she was eliminated for recreating Ripert's dish, it was more because she hated the dish, than because she over-reduced the broth. Even in what they showed of her revisiting it, I didn't see her mention her technical mistakes. Just that she hated the dish and wasn't inspired.

                                                                                                                    I have to agree with other posters and Ripert's blog...raw egg is inedible and dangerous. Choosing not to fix a sauce that's over-reduced is bad decision making. And regardless of WHY you didn't participate, if you didn't participate in a challenge, you should go home.

                                                                                                                    Edited because I said "Jen" and not "Jamie"

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                                                                                                                    1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                      jbw RE: sommrluv Dec 8, 2010 08:24 PM

                                                                                                                      "Choosing not to fix a sauce that's over-reduced is bad decision making."

                                                                                                                      Question: How could he? The over-reduction seems to have happened at the serving stage, as he was trying to keep the sauce hot. What else can be done other than stop the sauce from simmering and risk a cold, coagulated sauce? If he adds anything--a fat, a liquid--couldn't he be accused of continuing to prepare beyond the cooking deadline? After all. Richard got booted for parsley sprinkling a couple of seconds after the buzzer.

                                                                                                                      1. re: jbw
                                                                                                                        sommrluv RE: jbw Dec 8, 2010 08:35 PM

                                                                                                                        I don't think the cook time rule would apply. (I'm guessing here, obviously...from editing it seems the rules swing whatever way) You have people making things to order, re-cutting plums, plating things individually. I would think any "catering" type of challenge there is an element of knowing what can happen and preparing. I'm assuming what possibly happened is that he wasn't prepared for that possibly and didn't bring broth, etc. Or he had his sterno way too high.

                                                                                                                      2. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                        Miss Needle RE: sommrluv Dec 8, 2010 09:04 PM

                                                                                                                        She said something to the effect of, "That was fu*kin' bullshit! Not even close to being on the f*ckin' bottom ... blah blah blah...."

                                                                                                                        1. re: Miss Needle
                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: Miss Needle Dec 9, 2010 04:52 AM

                                                                                                                          Thanks Miss N. I missed that but knew she was ranting OFF camera about being booted. BTW, I don't recall if there was a final "PYKAG" shot of Jennifer in the kitchen with her voice-over about her demise...did they just let the rant off camera be her farewell? Ouch. Not good.

                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                            sibeats RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                            There was a shot of her in the kitchen packing up...she said a few things, nothing noteworthy though.

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                                                                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: sibeats Dec 9, 2010 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                              The post-PYKAG interview was more bittercakes ranting about how the judges made a mistake. Seriously, I don't think they did. While she's clearly a highly skilled chef, these kinds of challenges obviously aren't her forte.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                                                                Parrotgal RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 10, 2010 09:48 AM

                                                                                                                                I agree with you, Ruth. She's done that in the past, making something ghastly and acting like it was wonderful. I was just shocked and horrified at her really bad behavior. Has anyone else ever faced eliminated so gracelessly? By the time the show was over I was glad she was gone, even though I was rooting for her in the beginning.

                                                                                                                                On the other hand, being raised by such a terrible father probably contributed. Imagine going through life thinking that if you weren't number one you were a failure!

                                                                                                                                1. re: Parrotgal
                                                                                                                                  NellyNel RE: Parrotgal Dec 10, 2010 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                  I think you're right!
                                                                                                                                  I can't remember anyone acting so terribly after elimination!

                                                                                                                                  I don't know if my jaw was on the ground because she got eliminated - or because of her shocking display!

                                                                                                                                  Totally agree that her head must be F'd with that sort of attitude drilled into her!
                                                                                                                                  And to actually believe it....

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Parrotgal
                                                                                                                                    gmk1322 RE: Parrotgal Dec 10, 2010 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                    I agree that Jen is a good chef, I could never stand up to cooking against someone of her caliber. But I wonder if she is just an excellent "technical" chef only. It seems that she lacks creativity, the willingness to experiment, and think up plates/ideas/flavor combos on the fly when being timed. There is nothing wrong with being technically excellent at all, but I think (and I'm probably drawing an incorrect inference here) that is why she never really left Eric Ripert's side and seems to be content as a Chef de Cuisine. In that role all she wold have to do is let Ripert devise and create the dishes/menu and then technically recreate them for diners.

                                                                                                                                    Does anyone know if she tried to open her own place, it seems that almost all of the competitors have at least tried to go solo (whether it worked or not)?

                                                                                                                              2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                ChefJune RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 06:09 AM

                                                                                                                                She started crying, and the others were wrapping their arms around her. I think the elves wanted to avoid showing her crying.

                                                                                                                                1. re: ChefJune
                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: ChefJune Dec 9, 2010 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                  "I think the elves wanted to avoid showing her crying."

                                                                                                                                  1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                    Yeah, more likely they were tired of bleeping every other word.

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                                                                                                                                      nerfTractor RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 14, 2010 03:17 PM

                                                                                                                                      Then they should stop with the bleeping.

                                                                                                                              3. re: Miss Needle
                                                                                                                                sommrluv RE: Miss Needle Dec 9, 2010 06:06 AM

                                                                                                                                Thanks I just couldn't catch it.

                                                                                                                              4. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                                debbiel RE: sommrluv Dec 9, 2010 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                Sommerluv, I think your take on Jen's rant, and outburst as she left the stew room, is probably right on.

                                                                                                                                1. re: debbiel
                                                                                                                                  sommrluv RE: debbiel Dec 9, 2010 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                                  You know we have to support our Philly girls here, lol. I agree with Iwearmysunglassesatnight as well, that she was able to hold it together until she was off camera. Pretty commendable.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: sommrluv Dec 9, 2010 06:36 AM

                                                                                                                                    Except her mic was still on. :-)

                                                                                                                                    1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                                      thew RE: sommrluv Dec 10, 2010 07:02 AM

                                                                                                                                      really? i had a different take - she wanted to look cool, but needed to have a last word explosion - otherwise it wouldn;t have started til after the door closed.

                                                                                                                                      her insistance that the judges got it wrong is a bad attitude to have. she said something to the effect that it was her talking back to tom, and she wishes they would say why she was going home. the did say - her dish sucked. her not accepting it isnt the same as them not saying it

                                                                                                                                      1. re: thew
                                                                                                                                        Caitlin McGrath RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                        Yeah, we've pretty consistently seen over the seasons that the judges (and Tom in particular) consider not acknowledging or recognizing that you've screwed up a dish the worse sin. The one with the lousy dish who defends it to the death, insisting on its excellence in the face of criticism, always gets dinged, and frequently gets the boot.

                                                                                                                                2. phee RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 08:30 PM

                                                                                                                                  Holymotherofgod, I don't think my jaw came off the floor for the last 10-15 minutes of the show. I guess Jen clearly learned something from competing in the regular season, and it was all about "the win." I know it's the name of the game, but it was disconcerting to see. Where I saw her in season 6 show such passion for her dishes, here it was "who cares about everyone else, let's give the judges what they want." And, because there was no sausage for Scotch eggs, you give them hard-boiled eggs over mushy pork? Really? And then to go off like she did. Whoo boy.

                                                                                                                                  That said, however, I think Jamie should have gone. Two stitches? If it were her restaurant, would she do that? Of course not. Whoever said, "you duct tape it and keep going" was spot on. My intuition tells me she thought, "if I go get the stitches, I can't be eliminated and if they DO eliminate me, it won't be because of my food."

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: phee
                                                                                                                                    lsmutko RE: phee Dec 9, 2010 09:00 AM

                                                                                                                                    I thought it really odd that Jamie was serving the next day with just a really loose gauze bandage. Why not finger cot on that wounded thumb? I'm not overly squeamish about that kind of stuff, but that seemed a little dumb -- I'd want it protected if it were my thumb.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: phee
                                                                                                                                      thew RE: phee Dec 10, 2010 07:04 AM

                                                                                                                                      maybe you cook for the judges - but the judges, every season, have kept in mind what the challenge was and who the food was aimed at. so the way to cook for the judges is to follow the challenge.

                                                                                                                                      she acted like someone who was off their meds a bit

                                                                                                                                      1. re: thew
                                                                                                                                        debbiel RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                                        I thought she acted like someone who was sleep deprived. And yes, all of them were sleep deprived. But not all of them were on the hot seat.

                                                                                                                                        I can't remember specific examples, but it seems there have been challenges where the winner has not really followed the heart of the challenge but had indeed made the best food.

                                                                                                                                    2. John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 08:38 PM

                                                                                                                                      After every judges' table the contestants go back into the stew room and the others look up and ask who got eliminated. Almost every time those same people express disbelief at who is being sent home. I find that comical that they express surprise at who is being eliminated, that is until now. I think Jen has possibly been over-rated as a TC contestant but I don't think anybody expected her to go home so soon. Her dish (which she got no help with from Jamie) needed some texture. How about some fried crispy bacon bits sprinkled on top? (or crumbled pork rinds, if they had them).

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                        sommrluv RE: John E. Dec 8, 2010 08:44 PM

                                                                                                                                        It is kind of funny when they gasp horrifically and say "NO! No Way!"

                                                                                                                                        What if you were the person on the same chopping block...I'd want to say "Who did you think was going home? Choose your answer wisely, I know where you sleep."

                                                                                                                                        1. re: sommrluv
                                                                                                                                          NellyNel RE: sommrluv Dec 10, 2010 06:21 AM


                                                                                                                                          I always thought that too!!

                                                                                                                                          like "What - you wanted it to be ME??""

                                                                                                                                          1. re: NellyNel
                                                                                                                                            sommrluv RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                                            I know! lol

                                                                                                                                      2. Miss Needle RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 08:47 PM

                                                                                                                                        Jamie never really annoyed me until today. Girl was probably tired from lack of sleep was using her finger as an excuse to rest a bit.

                                                                                                                                        Too bad for Jen. I think she's quite the anxious person who's on the verge of a major breakdown -- saw it during the LV season and definitely saw it today. It all clicked when she said that her father used to say that being #2 is losing. I didn't think that she was a shoe-in for the finale (her meat dishes don't seem to be as well received as her seafood) but I didn't think she would be the second one to go.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: Miss Needle
                                                                                                                                          ChefJune RE: Miss Needle Dec 9, 2010 06:13 AM

                                                                                                                                          <It all clicked when she said that her father used to say that being #2 is losing. >

                                                                                                                                          I thought that, too. It's one thing to encourage your child to do her best, and another to put down most of her efforts. None of us finish #1 in every endeavor or project. That doesn't make the effort less admirable.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: ChefJune
                                                                                                                                            NellyNel RE: ChefJune Dec 10, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                                            ditto - I thought the same...
                                                                                                                                            That kind of parenting can F**k you up!

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                                                                                                                                          iwearmysunglassesatnight RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 10:16 PM

                                                                                                                                          Although I understand the judges' decision to send Jen home, I was very sad to see her leave. In my opinion, I don't think she was being rude, ungrateful, or disrespectful in her 'backtalk' towards the judges. Even her tantrum outside the stewroom was completely understandable, not to mention heartbreaking. Here we see a truly talented woman that was placed in a position that was clearly too much. The stress of the big win, lack of sleep, and most importantly IMO, no support in almost the entire execution of the dish.

                                                                                                                                          Granted, many of the other chefs have been/are in this exact same situation. Like I said before, I'm not criticizing the judges' choice, nor am I putting down the other chefs' dishes, I'm just extremely dissappointed that Jen left, and others perceive her as being cocky and immature. I feel that when Jen had made previous statements in the past that may have seemed like she was full of herself, they were made in a joking, jesting manner. The woman knows she's a fantastic chef- she works for Eric Ripert for Christ's sake- but at the same time she also knows she's up against others of her caliber. Her rant as seen on the show after her dismassal was something I feel any passionate individual would do regarding their craft. She kept her cool in front of her peers, and when she felt she was alone, she lost it. We've all done that at least once in our lives, and it just went to show how dedicated Jen is to her career. At the very least, I think Jen is a fierce competitor and an incredible chef.

                                                                                                                                          Jamie, on the other hand, has never been one of my favorites, but tonight she definitely made it onto the top of my "bitch please" list. Two stitches. Two motherf*cking stitches? $250,000 at stake, not to mention the fact that you have your integritity as a chef to uphold, along with the minor detail that you're on NATIONAL TELEVISION! Ugh. Even in her season, she always came across as snooty and had this holier-than-thou attitude that I can never stand in a person. Long story short, she checked herself out for a laughably minor injury (for a chef. I assume that when your daily labor involves sharp knives, cuts and stitches come along with the territory). She let her team down, and she made herself look like a whiny dirtbag in the process. Congrats!

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: iwearmysunglassesatnight
                                                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: iwearmysunglassesatnight Dec 9, 2010 10:38 AM

                                                                                                                                            We'll have to agree to disagree: I thought Jen had a right to defend herself and her dish, but I did think she was rude and disrespectful in the way she did it. My sense is that she might have survived (they might have sent Jaime home) if Jen had acknowledged there were problems with her dish. Sort of along the lines of "I was trying to counterbalance the intense flavors of the bacon with less seasoning in the eggs, but I guess I went to far in that direction" -- my sense is the judges are much more willing to forgive a bad dish if you can acknowledge that you made a mistake and explain the reasoning behind it. But Jen flat out telling them they were wrong in her assessment of her dish was not only rude, it was counterproductive. It backed them into a corner where they had no choice but to say "yes, it really was that bad and you have to PYKAG."

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                                                                              cowboyardee RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 9, 2010 11:03 AM

                                                                                                                                              ''But Jen flat out telling them they were wrong in her assessment of her dish was not only rude, it was counterproductive. It backed them into a corner where they had no choice but to say "yes, it really was that bad and you have to PYKAG."'

                                                                                                                                              I think you're right. She not only disagreed with them - she called their authority into question in such a way that they had little choice but to give her the ax. I have little doubt that had she sat back and calmly, quietly thrown Jamie under the bus (or even just shut up and let someone else throw Jamie under the bus for her), she would still be in the competition. Jamie had basically nothing to show this week - injury or no, she was an easy call for elimination.

                                                                                                                                              As to whether Jen was rude and disrespectful in her defense - sorta. Well, okay, yeah she was. But forgivably so, IMO. She really went to lengths not to talk negatively about anyone on her team. I think she has some serious team mentality and that she got worked up in defense not only of herself but of her team. She was angry (and probably suspected she was about to be professionally humiliated), and the only way to let out that frustration was to argue with the judges.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                                                                                thew RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                i don't think she got kicked for back talk, but for a bad dish. colicchio is very clear about that, and very much wants the show to be untainted by that sort of speculation

                                                                                                                                                1. re: thew
                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I know he's clear about it. And though I don't usually fall into the conspiracy theorist camps, in this case I don't believe him. I think her dish was not a good dish but that the judges would and should have eliminated Jamie.

                                                                                                                                                  It wasn't that she was punished for back talk. Not exactly anyway. A slightly more complicated psychological phenomenon occurred - a person to be judged loudly and publicly told people in authority that they were wrong. This has the exact opposite of the intended effect - it further polarizes the judging panel, putting them in a situation where to validate their own opinion and authority, they pretty much have to say Jen's dish was the worst and cut her. They're not gonna change their tunes on the blogs or even admit to each other that Jen was not the prime/only candidate for expulsion after the challenge.

                                                                                                                                                  Judging these things are subjective, and the judges are weighing one food crime against another, often of a completely different nature. The judges disliked Jen's textures and found her eggs bland. I don't doubt that. Does that sound to you like a worse culinary crime than making an inedibly salty sauce (but casey''s half of the dish was good, right?) or undercooking an egg based dish (maybe the ones that weren't botched tasted good)? Or presenting nothing but a bandaged thumb?

                                                                                                                                                  The very fact that the judges are now acting like this was an easy decision makes me think there's something fishy in their published line of reasoning.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                                                                                    thew RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                    on one hand i was thinking jaime should go. on the other - jen produced the worst dish in their opinion, and saw no need to work with a partner - which is not what a top chef does. nor dot hey have an attitude of "screw what the customer wants", but thats another story

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                                                                                                      Miss Needle RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 06:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I think that could be a valid possibility. Colicchio states in his blog that they will eliminate somebody for food only, not because he or she talked back. But I strongly feel that Ken (crazy Irish guy) from Season 1 was eliminated due to other reasons than his food. What I have heard was that while Ken's dish wasn't the best, his dish wasn't the worst.

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                                                                                                                                                        John E. RE: Miss Needle Dec 10, 2010 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                        The lesson to be learned there is don't argue with Hubert Keller when he's a TC judge. I think Spike learned the same thing albeit for a lesser offense.

                                                                                                                                              2. re: iwearmysunglassesatnight
                                                                                                                                                Parrotgal RE: iwearmysunglassesatnight Dec 10, 2010 10:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                When you're bleeding and a medic tells you you need stitches, you don't know if it's going to be 2 or 20 stitches. There's no way she can be blamed for not knowing in advance that it was "only 2 stitches". I cut my finger once (kitchen thing) and it bled so profusely for so long I had no idea how back it was. I had a sense that I needed stitches but I couldn't tell. Now there's not even a scar.

                                                                                                                                                I just didn't have a negative reaction to that. If a professional tells me something I'm inclined to listen to them.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Parrotgal
                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: Parrotgal Dec 10, 2010 10:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Her thumb isn't big enough for 20 stitches. She certainly could have it taped up, suck it up and get it stitched later.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Parrotgal
                                                                                                                                                    NellyNel RE: Parrotgal Dec 10, 2010 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                    True, but if you only need two stitches - that means the cut ain't that bad!

                                                                                                                                                    As I was watching her sitting there decide to go get the stitches, I noticed she wasnt even holding her finger. (as you would if it were bleeding heavily)

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: NellyNel
                                                                                                                                                      chicgail RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I thought she looked relieved, even when she apologetically said the paramedics told her she had to go get stitches. Like, "Oh, darn, I can't go to school today. Guess I'll just stay home by myself."

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: chicgail
                                                                                                                                                        Lizard RE: chicgail Dec 10, 2010 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I don't think we can know. My sense, when watching it, was that she was told she would have to go get stitches-- not that she was given a choice about it. My guess is that regardless of her own wishes, the producers did not wish to be liable for infection or MRSA or whatever might come of cutting oneself, taping up, and powering through...

                                                                                                                                                        Whether that factored into the elimination is hard to say, but I think that if it had been Jamie's choice, that would have entered into the narrative of the episode. (The other contestants complaining after the fact does not tell us anything.)

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Lizard
                                                                                                                                                          pollymerase RE: Lizard Dec 10, 2010 05:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                          It seems to me that others have cut/hurt themselves before but finished up the challenge. Fabio reminded us he broke his finger. I can't recall any specifics about people cutting themselves, but I distinctly remember blood all over the place and the contestant didn't immediately go to the hospital. While it's possible those cases weren't as severe or the contract hasn't changed, I'm guessing a medic looks at it and then tells the contestant in their medical opinion if they should get it treated (i.e. being careful for liability reasons). I'm wondering if at that point it is then up to the contestant to say, okay, let's go to the hospital or, hell no, wrap it up, I'm finishing this challenge. Essentially, I'm wondering if the show is obligated to offer them medical treatment but it is ultimately up to the individual if they want it.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pollymerase
                                                                                                                                                            debbiel RE: pollymerase Dec 10, 2010 06:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I actually don't care whether or not she was required to go. I think if you can't compete, you're out. Whether you choose or the medics/contract deem it so. I think it would suck, but that 's the way competition typically works.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: pollymerase
                                                                                                                                                              Lizard RE: pollymerase Dec 12, 2010 02:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Good point. One wishes the show could be clearer about this as decision or not. The way Jamie described the situation 'They told me I needed to get stitches' (or something like that) suggested a bit less choice. The questions then become: Is that how she saw it? Is that how she chose to spin it?

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Lizard
                                                                                                                                                                pollymerase RE: Lizard Dec 12, 2010 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                The way Jamie stated it was exactly why I think the medics are required to be cautious and tell the contestants what they need. I'm sure the show doesn't want to be liable if the medic says, 'well, it's not too bad, I'd keep going if I were you' and then have it be worse than originally thought or get worse, or infected, etc. I'm sure the show errors far, far, far on the side of caution regarding injuries and stating the contestant needs to get treatment. They just don't want to risk being sued. I work in a research lab in a hospital and if we even get a minor cut we are per protocol supposed to go to occupational health and get it checked out/documented. No one does... who has time for that? But, the hospital needs to cover themselves because they are ultimately liable.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: pollymerase
                                                                                                                                                                JuniorBalloon RE: pollymerase Dec 12, 2010 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I would say it's the contestants choice, but only up to a point. If one of them had completely severed a finger they would be told they're done. They probably have it written into the contract that the medical personel have the final say. If it's not threatening to life or limb the contestant has a choice.


                                                                                                                                                                1. re: JuniorBalloon
                                                                                                                                                                  thew RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 12, 2010 10:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  let's get real - no doctor will ever say - don't bother with stitches, just slap some duct tape on it and get back in there. that's not their job. their job is to give the most thorough advice based solely on by the book medical care, not what to do in a competition situation.

                                                                                                                                                                  it's up to the cut-ee to say, i don't have have time for stitches, there's $200,000 on the line, tape that shit up, i'll deal with it later & live with the scar

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: thew
                                                                                                                                                                    JuniorBalloon RE: thew Dec 12, 2010 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I never said the doctor would say don't bother with stitches. I said there is a line that the injury can cross where the choice is no longer in the hands of the contestant. Short of that it's up tp the chef.


                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: JuniorBalloon
                                                                                                                                                                      ediblover RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 12, 2010 01:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      It was Jamie's decision all the way. No matter what the situation is, if a person refuses medical treatment, you can't treat that person. And, you cannot contractually force someone to have mandatory treatment.

                                                                                                                                                                      Jamie's cut was more than just superficial, so stitches are always going to be recommended in that situation. Should she have toughed it out? Yes. There was minimal/no risk from her not being treated and there's no way that it could have bothered her that much.

                                                                                                                                                                      Jamie made a (stretching it) self-preserving and selfish decision. (She's still my favorite!) It's not a decision I agree with, but it's consistent with the decision in Episode 1's quickfire where she wanted the team to each do their own thing. It should be really interesting if she around for Restaurant Wars.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ediblover
                                                                                                                                                                        JuniorBalloon RE: ediblover Dec 12, 2010 01:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I agree with part of what you say. In this case it was all Jamie's call and she wimped terribly. I still think there are serious enough injuries that the producers would tell someone they can't continue.

                                                                                                                                                                        Now whether that would get someone eliminated from the whole competition is a grey area. As in Jamie's case she did squat, but she's still there. Guess if you can come back to compete in the next session...?


                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ediblover
                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: ediblover Dec 13, 2010 11:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Actually, you can contractually force someone to have medical treatment. Or rather, in this case, they can (and undoubtedly do) make them sign a contract saying that the medics have the final say on whether the contestant needs medical treatment. Under a contract like that, even if she declined treatment she would not be allowed to continue.

                                                                                                                                                                          Producers of shows like this don't care about how much an individual contestant wants to win, they care about the liability of putting a contestant in a situation where they a forced to choose between their health and winning. The producers have put the contestants in a situation where their ability to care for and make choices for themselves is restricted, and thus they have a higher standard of liability. Not to mention the liability issues of serving food that may be contaminated with blood to children.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: JuniorBalloon
                                                                                                                                                                          thew RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 12, 2010 03:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          i was really responding to this entire subthread, not just you

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: Parrotgal
                                                                                                                                                              chowser RE: Parrotgal Dec 10, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                              You ask. Can it wait two hours, what if I don't, can a steristrip hold it for a few hours? The medics can tell you 2 or 20 stitches. It would be one thing if the medics hadn't been there and she had to judge for herself, as we do by ourselves in our own homes.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chowser
                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee RE: chowser Dec 10, 2010 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Not to mention that, while I might buy that she's never had stitches before, there's no way that she's worked in a pro kitchen for years and never saw anyone give themselves a nasty cut. She should have some basic idea of what's life-and-limb-threatening and what's not.

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                                                                                                                                                                  roxlet RE: cowboyardee Dec 11, 2010 04:09 AM


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                                                                                                                                                            James Cristinian RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 11:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Linda, you missed a couple of great lines that are classics. Stephen, confronted with a cushiony cot, something along the lines of "I'm not used to this, I live in a loft in downtown Manhattan, this is creating a sense of uncomofribility, if you will," and Tre is a guy who is used to sleeping nekkid.

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: James Cristinian Dec 9, 2010 04:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Oh GREAT (typical!) line from Stephen! LOL

                                                                                                                                                              And I always knew I liked Tre. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                                                                                                debbiel RE: James Cristinian Dec 9, 2010 05:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                Oh yeah, that Stephen line was great! So....Stephen.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: James Cristinian
                                                                                                                                                                  thew RE: James Cristinian Dec 10, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  as if the rest of them sleep on cots with 17 other people every day -

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: thew
                                                                                                                                                                    NellyNel RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    - but the others don't sleep in a "Mahattan Loft"!


                                                                                                                                                                2. soypower RE: LindaWhit Dec 8, 2010 11:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  A few thoughts...

                                                                                                                                                                  Dale L. still seems like he doesn't understand that it's a COMPETITION. Every time he tosses around the word 'selfish' it pisses me off.

                                                                                                                                                                  Jen says her dish was not underseasoned, it was 'perfect'. Come on. She didn't even throw in the customary, 'I'm sorry -you- felt it was underseasoned'. She seems to have psyched herself out of the game. Too bad.

                                                                                                                                                                  Rooting for Tre and Richard Blais...

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                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: soypower Dec 9, 2010 04:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Ditto on the "rooting for", soypower. They were in my top group at the start with Jennifer; hope they remain! And Tiffani Faison has moved into my Top 3 as well. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                      James Cristinian RE: soypower Dec 9, 2010 02:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Soypower, Dale did the same thing in his regular season when Hung nailed the fish dish at Le Cirque. He asked Hung how he did it, and when Hung wouldn't tell him, Dale responed in a similiar manner, selfish. I wouldn't have told either, it is a competition.

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                                                                                                                                                                        tofuburrito RE: James Cristinian Dec 9, 2010 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed, I was thinking of the same example.

                                                                                                                                                                    2. Joanie RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 03:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Well, the one person I love to hate is gone, damn. You know, I almost felt like it was put on for show. Her confrontation seemed so manufactured, getting all antsy and like she was ready to fight. Her big ole sourpuss was even more pronounced than usual. And she obviously knew everyone would hear/record her outburst at the end, it felt kind of fake to me. I obviously agree with mattstolz and jackbauer on their "overrated" and "ding dong the witch is dead" comments. And where most probably got annoyed with Marcel's "I really think I would have won if they chose one winner", it just makes me laugh.

                                                                                                                                                                      Does it mean that I've turned into a 12 year old boy that I laughed during the previews when Tiffani said "I shouldn't have frozen my melons"?

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                                                                                                                                                                        jackbauer RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 05:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Does it mean that I've turned into a 12 year old boy that I laughed during the previews when Tiffani said "I shouldn't have frozen my melons"?

                                                                                                                                                                        Nope, it means you have a sense of humor.

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                                                                                                                                                                          phee RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 06:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Oh, heck no! My daughter and I burst out laughing when Tiffani said that!

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                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: phee Dec 9, 2010 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I started laughing as well - Joanie, you're in good company! :-D

                                                                                                                                                                        2. roxlet RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 04:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          And what was with Jen's bizarre reaction when she was told to leave? Was that laughter of relief or incredulity?

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                                                                                                                                                                            mamachef RE: roxlet Dec 9, 2010 04:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            roxlet, the latter gets my vote. She seemed stunned.

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                                                                                                                                                                              gastrotect RE: roxlet Dec 9, 2010 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              I think it was incredulity. For some reason I think she honestly believed her dish was really good.

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                                                                                                                                                                              burgeoningfoodie RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Without having read the others posts yet (so I may be repeating). Watching the show I could tell from the quickfire that S1 Tiffany was going to win that challenge hands down. Her excuse at judges table to me though was quite bogus and sounded dumb. I do understand the part that the food that Team Bronto made wasn't what I would consider an American breakfast (which wasn't the point), but I don't know if any of those foods would be breakfast anywhere. They did use what they had to their best efforts. I was thinking that this challenge though should have been following the KISS method and I do agree with what Gail said that if you can't scramble your eggs you don't need to be there. I think I've heard about a similar test with omelettes in professional kitchens.

                                                                                                                                                                              In any case, I understand the argument that Team Bronto's food wasn't breakfast food, but not the oh we didn't realize we couldn't cook with everything. Something tells me T-Rex didn't go around munching on grains and bushes. So I thought that Team T-Rex was on the bottom. I thought it was going to come down to Tre and Jennifer and maybe Jaime. I was waffling on whether she should have wrapped it up and kept going or if she shoul dhave gotten stitches. She followed the doctors advice and I don't know whether she was told how many stitches it would have taken.

                                                                                                                                                                              I really thought that Tre was going to go home as I believe being overly salty can make the dish inedible whereas being bland at least lets the fish stand out. Though I didn't want to see Jennifer or Tre leave one of them had to go. It's a shame because Jennifer really is talented when she isn't moping after every loss or not winning. I mean Ripert must have seen something in her to have her headline his kitchen in Philadelphia right?

                                                                                                                                                                              Now, maybe it is just me but have the chefs gotten a bit more attitude since their initial appearance. I mean I'm glad that Jennifer wasn't all mopey this year and stood up for herself, but in general it seems that some chefs that were maybe a little nicer and easy going the first time around are a bit more.. .wound up. Maybe it was their night at the museum. I know if I were them. I would want nothing more than to finally crawl back in to a normal bed and go to sleep. Still a good episode. I wonder if they did an inverse version of this season if that would work. Lets take some of the losers and pit them against each other. One last note.. I was giddy about Marcel and Angelo starting to spar. They are two peas in a pod if you ask me as far as the way they think and their egos. Marcel's last comment of the night rubbed me the wrong way though..

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                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 9, 2010 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Re: the attitude, burgeoningfoodie - yes, they definitely have much more attitude. Gail noted that in her blog last week - the judges and cheftestants *know* each other , having socialized on the outside since the various seasons ended, and she thinks the chefs feel more confident in standing up for their dishes so forcefully.

                                                                                                                                                                                I will be interested to read/hear the interview with Jennifer - wonder if she regrets her outburst?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  burgeoningfoodie RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh see I don't read the blogs... I've got enough on here to read. I don't think she will regret it. She may feel that she could have chosen her words more carefully or maybe she feels that is the reason she actually went home. It will be interesting to read though I do feel bad for her.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. LindaWhit RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Jennifer's exit video at Bravo's site has a repeat of the raw audio when she walked out. Still lots of bleeps.

                                                                                                                                                                                And to her credit, she will *not* call out anyone as to who she thought should go home. But interestingly, the Elves insert footage of Jamie in Jennifer's voiceover saying she won't call anyone out. :-/

                                                                                                                                                                                And she thinks Mike Isabella should win the whole thing - but says because they were on the same season, and he came prepared and it would be great for him to win. Lordy, I hope not!

                                                                                                                                                                                ETA: Tom's blog says very convincingly that Tiffani's excuse about thinking she thought she could use various herbs was just that - a false excuse. "Tiffani may have thought at the moment that she heard the challenge that “Carnivore” meant “Omnivore,” but as soon as I finish explaining each Elimination Challenge to the contestants on camera, a producer of the show comes and explains it in far greater — and more boring — detail. So Tiffani knew within minutes of choosing the T-Rex diet that it meant meat and meat by-products ... and only meat and meat by-products"

                                                                                                                                                                                Also, he said that Jamie had never had stitches before, and when told that, she was scared and went to the hospital. Also that he didn't mind Jen's defense of her dish, despite being wrong about it (according to him). "I didn’t mind at all the very vigorous defense Jen mounted. I didn’t mind her tone or the content of what she said. Jen wasn’t sent home for what she said; she was sent home for what she cooked."

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                                                                                                                                                                                  debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I found his explanation of Jen not Jamie going home to be amazingly unsatisfactory. If Jen had said Jamie's absence hurt the dish, that would have been the end of it? Oh come on. So Jen shows some class and gets axed for it? Preparing a dish for how many people in what period of time...how would her absence NOT hurt the dish. I would think the judges could have made an assumption that losing half your team is going to have an impact. I get this one even less after reading his blog than before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    NellyNel RE: debbiel Dec 10, 2010 06:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Not for anything, but I don't think Jen was exhibiting "class" when she said Jamies absence didnt hurt the dish - I think she was exhibiting confidence or possibly even arrogance.
                                                                                                                                                                                    she was meaning "this was MY dish...I could do it without help"
                                                                                                                                                                                    Remember, she really thought the dish was perfect.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      debbiel RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I think it was claiming the dish as her own. I'm not sure that's an arrogant statement. I read it more as, I made it and I will be the one who lives or dies by it. I think the rant after was just pure defensiveness, denial, and sleep deprivation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        pollymerase RE: debbiel Dec 10, 2010 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Agreed. I interpreted it as she was simply taking responsibility for her dish. It was actually refreshing for a contestant to not try to blame someone else for a change, even though it possibly could have saved her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      thew RE: debbiel Dec 10, 2010 07:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      that isn't showing class - it's arrogance - she's saying that with or without jaime's presence, her dish would have been exactly the same - ie - it's all about her and not jaime.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      phee RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 06:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Mike Isabella? Because "they were on the same season, and he came prepared and it would be great for him to win?" Oh yeah, those are totally legit reasons (insert eye-roll here).

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                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: phee Dec 9, 2010 06:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I had the same eye-roll, phee.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      skoolpsyk RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Am I the only one that thought it was odd that they used the term "Brontosaurus" rather than "Apatosaurus"?!

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                                                                                                                                                                                        Dee S RE: skoolpsyk Dec 9, 2010 08:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I did as well but Brontosaurus is more widely understood than Apatosaurus.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I can't comment on the foodin EC; nothing really stood out for me. I guess I expected better from the All Stars.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Did anyone notice their Tivo/DVR season pass missed this episode? The original series was toted as "Top Chef All-Stars" but this week's episode fell under "Top Chef". Not like I couldn't catch a replay 500 times but still annoying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          skoolpsyk RE: Dee S Dec 9, 2010 12:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes! My season pass did that too! (DirecTv dvr) You can catch it on replays, but I think they are only an hour and not the extra 15 minutes...

                                                                                                                                                                                          As for the Brontosaurus thing, I just thought that being at museum they wouldn't have used an outdated name (or at least used both, as a teachable moment!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                            momjamin RE: skoolpsyk Dec 10, 2010 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't think my kids even know the term Brontosaurus -- all the cool dino books today have Apatasauruses (-sauri?). I'll have to dig up some Flintstones cartoons so they know what I'm talkin' about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          thew RE: skoolpsyk Dec 10, 2010 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          not odd, but it did set my pedantic nerd alarm off

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                                                                                                                                                                                          burgeoningfoodie RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 05:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          The one thing I will disagree with Jennifer on was a comment she made a long the lines of.. I'm cooking for myself not for others (I'm probably misquoting horribly), but it registered in my mind that.. she runs a kitchen at a restaurant. She better be cooking for the masses that come to eat there or she's going to be floating down the river without oars.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 9, 2010 06:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I cut her some slack on this one. I think she was referring specifically to Top Chef, recognizing that no matter what the challenge, you have to be cooking for the judges in order to win.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              cowboyardee RE: debbiel Dec 9, 2010 07:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Agreed. If you come on top chef and cook to please 9 year olds without worrying about the judges first and foremost, you're a sucker. A fool.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Ideally, you should be cooking to please both (and hopefully the judges respect that). But priority number 1 is the judges. Dale (who disingenuously called her out on this point) knows this.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                thew RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 07:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                as i said above - i disagree. the judges keep the challenge in mind - so cooking for the kids IS cooking for what the judges are judging in this case

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Look at what they cooked for breakfast again. That obviously wasn't fare designed mainly for the enjoyment of kids. It was competition food with a kid-friendly vibe to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  The judges can say to cook for the audience all they want - if you cook garden variety s'mores or some other tried and true kid-pleaser (and keep in mind that kids more often than not DON'T like variations off of themes, gussied-up s'mores, etc.), you're going home, and you should be kicking yourself as you go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    thew RE: cowboyardee Dec 10, 2010 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    kids love gnocci. and soup. and eggs. salmon is m 6 year olds favorite food, and he likes lox for breakfast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'm just no seeing what youre saying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      cowboyardee RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 09:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not saying anything all that radical. I'm all for treating kids with respect and not assuming that all they'll like is candy and junk food. But their palates and tastes are, as a trend, different from that of adults (kids tend to prefer extra sweetness and are less tolerant of bitter tastes, for starters). And certainly different from an experienced panel of culinary judges who've eaten their way around the world.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you want to win in top chef, you make whatever will make the judges happiest that also would qualify as kid-friendly. Not the other way around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      And for the record, that wasn't a straightforward, kid-friendly gnocci. It has spinach in it, for starters. I didn't catch everything else. But if you're gearing your meal towards pleasing a bunch of kids you don't know, you leave out the spinach.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Joanie RE: thew Dec 13, 2010 04:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        "i'm just no seeing what youre saying."

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I pictured you saying this in a Fabio accent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      lisavf RE: thew Dec 10, 2010 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Recall, though that the breakfast was for the kids AND their parents. So I don't think they were really looking for food directed towards children. Maybe that's why they included the parents, because they didn't want "food for kids."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                doberlady RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 06:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                WOW LindaWhit. You are really good at this!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: doberlady Dec 9, 2010 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  LOL! Told you I was obsessed, doberlady. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I used to trade off with goodhealthgourmet and a few others in getting the thread started, but last season (TC-DC) I took it all on in posting one initial recap post to which others respond. And I did it just because I *have* to talk about it right away! LOL It gets tiring towards the end of the season, but I suspect I'll stick it out again this season. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  beachmouse RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you're going to have celebrity QF judges, it's always nice to have ones that are fans of the show. I was much amused at Joe Jonas calling Angelo out over the peanut butter & celery he tried to pass off as a menu item last season.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: beachmouse Dec 9, 2010 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    THAT was who it was! I remembered there was a peanut butter/celery dish somewhere, and thought it was relatively recent. But when the camera cut to Stephen shrugging/looking sheepish, I thought "was it him way back in TC1? Would he have really done that?" LOL Thanks for the clarification, beachmouse. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      momjamin RE: beachmouse Dec 9, 2010 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, the PB and celery reference and the "You have 30 seconds" quip made me appreciate him, although I have sons who are pre-tweens, so we're bracketing the Jonas Bros demographic in this house ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      centralpadiner RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just going to say that I thought Jen totally deserved to go home, even though I've always really liked her as a chef. Everything indicated it was a bad dish - from Casey's comment before they went out to serve, to the kids and judges while they were eating. Jen was the one that cooked the food, end of story. Despite her being a "favorite" really no controversy this week. Her behavior was what it was. I didn't find it offensive, but didn't think it helped her reputation in any way. She's lucky she has Eric's support in the way she does. Overall, I found team T-rex's attitude terrible throughout the challenge . . . we all know from the past seasons that a bad attitude toward the challenge almost always leads to a loss. You'd think these guys would have learned from experience, but instead some seem to be bringing big grudges with them. The ones carrying the grudges will not be the ones getting to the finals. The ones that are here because they genuinely get a charge out of the challenge, and want a chance to do better this time are the chefs we can expect to see go far.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        lisavf RE: centralpadiner Dec 9, 2010 07:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        You summed it up perfectly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          JasmineG RE: centralpadiner Dec 9, 2010 09:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, I think this is totally right. No one seemed to like her dish, and she probably did suffer from not having Jamie there with her to help and taste and give her honest comments. I found Team T Rex so annoying throughout the challenge, especially Tiffani's insistence that she didn't know that they would only have meat and eggs and dairy, and that that was no advantage (the advantage was that she got to choose). Their actions were very frustrating, but I'm glad that this season is so far very entertaining.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          ediblover RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have to bring up a very important issue that came up this episode: Spike's manhood. I like Spike. I liked his antics in his season, I like his food, and I like how he got his redemption with the frozen scallops. But, HE RECOGNIZED A JONAS BROTHER. What the hell, Spike? I don't know much about the personal lives of the chefs, but it didn't seem like Spike has a 9 year old daughter or something that would excuse him from this atrocity against being a man. On the flip side, Dale T. reaffirmed his man/chefhood by quipping that he thought the guy was a pastry chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            NellyNel RE: ediblover Dec 10, 2010 07:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Edible - this is by far the best post I have read!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I LOVED when Dale said that bit about him being a pastry chef!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. HabaneroJane RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            This season should be renamed Top Chef Egos, not All Stars. Wow, Jen. Seriously? While she or (we) may not agree with the judges all the time, that attitude, despite what Colicchio said (that it didnt bother him, bad food bothered him more) was appalling. Worse than her soft mushy tasteless pork belly and eggs. Wow. I never liked her in her own season and I liked her even less this time--as her dad says, coming in second is still losing. Well being booted off second is same thing. Go back to Eric Ripert. TV chefdom is NOT for her!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            With all the egos and personalities taking my ADD-addled attention span away from watching the actual cooking, I have to say at first I wondered why they brought Dale L. back, but he is the reason I am watching this show right now . He is hilarious!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            That Jamie left to get two stitches may not have been at her insistence. Who knows? Editing could have cut that out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Too early to tell who any front runners are...again, the egos are distracting me like flies around a corpse...buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              mexicophile RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I, for one, was extrememly unhappy to see Jen go. I don't know if you could hear a loud scream about 10:10 or not. I love her spunk, ability to hang with the big boys, and tendency to focus on cooking and not the personalities. I wondered if lack of sleep affected Jen's reaction since it was very emotional.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Who I thought should go instead--Tre with the bad sauce that he knew was bad, or the two with the frittatas. I think Tre got lucky in that episode because Jen called so much attention to herself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't thinkJen was going to take it all but she should have stayed a lot longer. That was bad judging.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                tofuburrito RE: mexicophile Dec 9, 2010 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Whatever Jen was on, it turned her and her food into a train wreck and it seemed to me she wanted to go. I don't blame Jamie at all for bailing out of that situation. Jen appeared so intent on self destruction it was wise to minimize any association with it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: mexicophile Dec 9, 2010 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The raw (in places) egg frittata seems to have come up on a lot of comments on Tom's blog. Raw eggs isn't worse than vs. poorly seasoned eggs? That's what strikes me as a wrong judging decision.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ahh, well - Tom C. knows he's going to have to deal with fans who are pissed at whoever gets booted, since we all know them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    momjamin RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 08:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gail was there. If the eggs were really that bad compared to Jen's, she wouldn't have let them pass ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: momjamin Dec 9, 2010 09:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was thinking about that, momjamin, but RAW eggs? Maybe she only gets squicked out when it's a fried egg and the whites are all slubbery. Heck, I get squicked out at slubbery, uncooked whites of eggs. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My guess is that what they were weighing was a basically good dish that had a flawed execution and a dish that was both badly conceived and badly executed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      gastrotect RE: mexicophile Dec 9, 2010 08:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just based on the reactions to the food I think Jen was the obvious choice. No one liked anything about her dish at all. Conception and execution were both bad. Tom has always maintained that only the food in front of them determines who goes and stays. Sending Jen home so early only proves that's the case.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4. a213b RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What a strange episode. I'm never thrilled with the "Cook for Kids" challenges, but at least one contestant (despite her being the one sent home) acknowledged that the critical point is to cook for the judges, and let the rest sort itself out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I will say, as others have noted, that I appreciated Jonas Bro #1 being a fan of the show, and even making a couple of jokes related to the show ... that certainly helped ease my concerns about having a teeny-bopper pop star on the program.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Having worked on these types of shows, I immediately felt it very disingenuous that Tiffany F complained about the omnivore vs "meat-e-terian" aspect, as (and I believe someone wrote that Tom acknowledged this) producers come in and give EXHAUSTINGLY detailed rules and explanations, and answer any/all questions contestants may have. She gets demoted a bit in my ranking of liking the contestants for that, as does Jaime for both her attitude and her lack of toughness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As for Jen. Sigh. Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen, Jen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I am pretty sure she was both sleep-deprived and more than a little soused by JT, much less when she was booted. She seemed like she was barely holding it together, and I'm sure the lack of sleep and alcohol contributed to that. I think she's super talented, but she did herself no favors either with her dish or her rant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I do believe if she'd said the "loss" of Jaime was a great hindrance that Jaime would be the one gone, but she essentially owned the dish solely as her creation, and if it truly was as terrible as the judges said, then she's the right one to go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh, and did anyone else wonder how awkward it must've been to have the first season's host and then Padma together? It's like, jeez, you weren't good enough to host a show that has proven to be wildly successful, but please come back on and pal around with your replacement?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Awk ... ward.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        HabaneroJane RE: a213b Dec 9, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        @ab213b---yes! From one pod person (Katie Lee) to another (Padma)..was so awkward..totally..Lee must need the publicity or else why would she have subjected herself to this? and it seems that in the years of her absence, she has yet to fill up her personality tank...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lizzy RE: a213b Dec 9, 2010 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Very awkward indeed! I did notice that Padma and Katie Lee were never together and rarely in the same shot, not that I blame either one of them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nettie RE: a213b Dec 9, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My take is that Jen WAS affected by Jamie's absence. She made a remark when she was told that Jamie was leaving to the effect of "Oh, well, I guess I just have to do twice as much work." I think she tried to do too much by herself and got in trouble.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            During her season, she was amazing at running the kitchen during an early group challenge (the one at the military base). But she was almost eliminated during restaurant wars. When she was asked at JT why she did so badly (I think she was cooking a lot of stuff to order and couldn't keep up), she ruefully said something like "because I think I'm Superwoman and I can do everything."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think she's an extremely capable chef who can take on a lot, but in both cases she couldn't do the unreasonable amount of work that she'd admitted to, and she couldn't admit it. The sleep deprivation probably didn't help, either!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. mariacarmen RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jen made a bad dish. You have to remember she was incredibly angry because her fabulous boss Eric Ripert gave up the chance (not that he needs it) to be a judge this season so that she could leave Le Bernardin and compete on TCAS. That is a HUGE weight on her shoulders. No one liked her dish; i think even Casey commented on the "wet" bacon. what i don't get is why she would think Tom was so adamant about her dish being bad if he really didn't feel that way? Her rant to him - even though he admired her sticking up for her food - seemed as if she thought he already had something against her. So, i think the combination of it being late, probably alcohol was involved, and the pressure of winning because of the expectations at LB - all made her choke. She chokes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jamie - you don't get sent home for not participating, as far as we know, right? i mean, yeah, if she hadn't cut herself and had just stood there not doing anything, then they'd probably cut her. but she was injured. a mild injury or not. If Angelo in his season had not gotten to cook after all when he was so sick, would they have sent him home for that? I doubt it. Yes, her injury was less severe than his sickness, but the point is they don't send you home for not cooking if you have a physical problem. you get sent home for cooking a BAD DISH.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Linda - i LOVED - "a complete asshat"!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              centralpadiner RE: mariacarmen Dec 9, 2010 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Just to clarify - she doesn't work at Le Bernadin anymore, she runs his Philly restaurant, 10 Arts. And according to his first blog, he didn't want to judge because he wouldn't be able to be impartial. Otherwise, I totally agree with what you are saying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mariacarmen RE: centralpadiner Dec 9, 2010 09:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh! well then that changes everything! forget everything i just said.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                just kidding.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                and as for Katie Lee - she STILL has a stick up her ass. why would they even bring her back?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  HabaneroJane RE: mariacarmen Dec 9, 2010 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  can someone refresh my memory and let me know why Tre's ousting on his original season was such a shocker ? So far he doesnt impress. I don't remember him at all.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And does anyone know why Kevin Gillespie isn't on this spectacle?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Miss Needle RE: HabaneroJane Dec 9, 2010 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know. I think people were more shocked about Tre's early departure because he worked for the Rathbun brothers. Kind of like how many people thought Leah Bardeen would go far because she worked for Jean-Georges.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think Tre has very good technical skills and is very fast in the kitchen. But I do question his other abilities. This isn't the first time he's oversalted something in the kitchen. Salting is a fundamental. And he's made a pretty dry bread pudding in Season 3. It's kind of difficult to mess that up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jcattles RE: HabaneroJane Dec 9, 2010 09:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Kevin was approached but declined. He said (I'm paraprasing here) that he didn't need to compete on another Top Chef to feel like a winner especially with all the support he gets from his fans.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        cowboyardee RE: HabaneroJane Dec 9, 2010 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jen Carrol getting eliminated here, cooking a meat-only breakfast for 8 year-olds, is a pretty good example of why Kevin might not have come back. The best chef doesn't always win. He came off like a champ in his season. His public image would have more to lose than to gain from returning.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          HabaneroJane RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          that's what I thought re: Kevin. Not enough of an egomaniac to put himself through this again. No need!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ediblover RE: HabaneroJane Dec 9, 2010 02:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think assuming that the chefs that declined did so out of humility is way off base. Chefs go on for recognition and competition. Kevin and Bryan got the recognition they wanted, and the packed nights they were hoping for. Simply put, they got what they wanted out of Top Chef and didn't want to go back. That's neither praise worthy nor worthy of rebuke.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Top Chef isn't about "proving" anything. The winner isn't the best chef in the season, but just the of the better ones that played the game right and probably got some lucky breaks. As one of the judges said (I think it was Gail), if they wanted to find out who the best chef was, they would eat at their restaurants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's the same reason Brian Voltaggio made the right decision as well. Stephen probably thinks he's above it all now and says he knows he's a good chef and doesn't need a contest to prove it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I actually several chefs here have more to lose than to gain such as Blais. (Unless of course they win the $200K).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cowboyardee RE: John E. Dec 9, 2010 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I could be wrong, but I don't think Blais has a restaurant right now. Maybe he's trying to keep his name out there for some upcoming project (maybe the sous vide supreme people begged him to). Or maybe he just likes competing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Brian and Kevin have restaurants that are reputedly usually packed since their appearances (which were also comparatively recent - they're still fresh on people's minds).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 11:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                He's still got his burger joint, Flip (3 locations in Atlanta) and I think I recall reading he's opening a gourmet hot dog place?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I stand corrected. He must have just missed Spike.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    burgeoningfoodie RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    He has his flipped burger boutique in Birmingham, Alabama too. I ate at it. Nothing special. The shakes use nitrogen but it doesn't really get any effect other than some smoke coming off the top.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Parrotgal RE: HabaneroJane Dec 10, 2010 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I remember being shocked when Tre was sent home. IIRC, he was doing really well, as well as being an even-tempered, decent guy, and was eliminated because he was head chef for restaurant wars, even though he personally didn't screw up. (I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm misremembering!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: Parrotgal Dec 10, 2010 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tre totally screwed up both of his dishes. One was a dry bread pudding (which he cockily said that he could do in his sleep and tried to pass it off to the judges as screwing it up because he wasn't a pastry chef) and the other one was a too-salty cured salmon. He wasn't let go because he was the head chef; it was because he screwed up his food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: Miss Needle Dec 10, 2010 02:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  are you sure about the salmon? i thought it was the bread pudding and the over-smoked potatoes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Miss Needle RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think the over-smoked potatoes was from the first restaurant wars (the one that didn't count). But I vaguely remember Colicchio thinking his salmon was disgusting. Actually, didn't Tre make salmon in last week's challenge -- the challenge where you had to recreate the dish that sent you home?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: Miss Needle Dec 10, 2010 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      he did make cured salmon last week. and beets - and he specifically said to someone "i'm wondering if i should smoke the beets," and i couldn't figure out if he was making a joke at his own expense, or if he was taking creative license with the challenge and using beets in addition to potatoes...meanwhile i just checked the website and he didn't even use potatoes last week so they obviously weren't one of the reasons he was eliminated! my bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i had forgotten about the salmon - i always just recalled that the bread pudding was the reason he went home.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Miss Needle RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 05:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, I was trying to look for Colicchio's blog from that episode to verify. But it seems that he wasn't blogging due to opening a new restaurant. But I did find this link that stated Tre was booted for bad salmon and bread pudding.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        All those TC episodes are kind of melding into one big blob into my head. Can definitely get confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ETA: It seems to me that a lot of people are saying that Tre being booted off from Restaurant Wars was controversial. I'm wondering if people are forgetting that he screwed up all of his dishes in that challenge. Because in my mind, the decision was crystal clear who to kick off. Tre may have left before his time, but I didn't think there was any controversy as to who should have went home.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Indy 67 RE: centralpadiner Dec 9, 2010 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We actually have evidence of Ripert's inability to be impartial. In the third tape of his video blog, Ripert goes through the logic he would have used to send either Tiffany or Antonia home. He says that their dish was both poorly prepared and unsafe whereas Tre's and Jennifer's dishes were only poorly prepared. This comment about Jen's dish reflects a clear bias.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Except at judges table where the focus seemed to be on the underseasoned eggs, everyone commented on the soft, wet texture of the pork. That hardly meets my standard for "properly prepared." So where did Ripert get this description? Obviously, from Jenifer's own description.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do think Tiffany and Antonia benefitted by being a pair. How would the judges decide which one of two equally "guilty" chefs to send home?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cowboyardee RE: Indy 67 Dec 9, 2010 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Last season, he seemed quite squeamish about food that wasn't cooked enough to be safe. He would describe undercooked dishes as inedible and consistently ranked them lowest. I don't think he was all that impartial - his critique at least of Tiff and Antonia's dish was well in line with his usual way of judging.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jen's pork was fully cooked through - it was braised. They just didn't like the texture - maybe it wasn't braised long enough or the curing caused texture problems. That's much different from presenting undercooked eggs or meat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Indy 67 RE: cowboyardee Dec 9, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Perhaps I didn't make my point clearly enough. Ripert didn't eat any of the food. How could he know the pork was cooked properly?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thoroughly does not mean the same thing as properly. Wet soft meat isn't cooked "properly" -- his word. Therefore, the only place he could have learned the meat was cooked properly was from a conversation with Jennifer. What reason -- other than bias -- would explain why Ripert took Jennifer's word over the many folks who commented on the pork's weird, unappealing texture?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't understand what you mean by the phrase "I don't think he was all that impartial..." If he wasn't impartial, he was partial (i.e. biased) and that's the point I was making.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee RE: Indy 67 Dec 9, 2010 12:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Braised pork finishes at something like 190 degrees f. She'd have had to miss that mark by a mile for that pork to be unsafe. It's not friggin likely. She would have had to braise it for something like half an hour to undercook it to the point of unsafety - no professional cook or even competent homecook would do that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ripert knows that - he could determine that the pork was cooked through just from watching the episode, just as I could. His point from his interview was clearly that one dish was unsafe (though only marginally, in truth) and the other wasn't. Whether she got the texture perfect was neither here nor there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  'I don't understand what you mean by the phrase "I don't think he was all that impartial."'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Slip of the English language. I meant to say Ripert wasn't being overly biased.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kahudson RE: Indy 67 Dec 9, 2010 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To be clear, Ripert says in the video that serving raw eggs could be "dangerous" and thus "inedible." He then goes on to say that Tre's sauce was too salty rendering it "inedible." While he allows that Jennifer's eggs may not have had enough seasoning, he considered that dish edible. That is you might not enjoy it, but you could actually consume it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Indy 67 RE: kahudson Dec 9, 2010 01:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm using the word "properly" as in appealing or producing a result that one would enjoy eating. Cowboyardee is using the meaning "safe to consume."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not sure which Ripert is using based on Kahudson's analysis. Describing the egg dish, Ripert seems to be saying that "inedible" means unsafe to consume. Describing the shrimp sauce, he uses the meaning "inedible" as in safe to consume but unappealing to eat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I like Ripert based on the food I've eaten at Le Bernardin and the personna we see on television; however, I think he should not second-guess the TC judges in a public forum. I doubt he would have done so if the PYKandG cheftestant had had no connection to his restaurant emprie.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          4. Joanie RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I forgot to ask, are the shows longer cuz of the large amount of contestants? I was surprised to see this going an extra 15 but they do that randomly sometimes. Has this been written about?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mariacarmen RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 09:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That quickfire was a much longer segment-i think that's the only reason. i haven't read anything about it yet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                saeyedoc RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 09:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The early episodes last season were also longer IIRC.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  JasmineG RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 09:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The first week was an extra 15 minutes too, I wonder if it's going to be like that all season?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: JasmineG Dec 9, 2010 09:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Next two weeks seem to be 60 minute episodes, according to TVGuide.com.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (Relay race next week, BTW!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Miss Needle RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I love that it's an extra 15 minutes. I wouldn't even mind if they stretched it 1.5 hours. Are you reading Bravo execs?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: Joanie Dec 9, 2010 09:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I *think* they do 75 minute episodes earlier on mostly to let us see more as there are more cheftestants (and yes, this QF segment was definitely longer than the average bear). Towards the end, they slip in a longer episode as well. At least they've done that in the past.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Oh keerist, Marcel - REALLY? You should have won because you had more components on the plate? :::::SMACK!:::::

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      From the way he said it, I think that might have been in response to a direct question from the (as always, unheard) interviewer that went something like "If only one of you could have won for that dish, who should it have been?" That's one way the shape the "characters" and the "narrative" -- maneuver them into saying something they can use as a provocative soundbite.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 9, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        One thing I would have thought that these people would have learned is that talking smack about other chefs' food mostly makes themselves look bad. (Well, maybe Marcel wouldn't have learned that).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: John E. Dec 9, 2010 12:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think that saying if only one person could win it would be him is "talking smack" -- he didn't criticize the other cheftestants, he just expressed an opinion, that as I said, was probably in response to a direct question, that he contributed more to the dish.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 9, 2010 01:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I guess I wasn't really intending to mean only Marcel, I was more referring to everyone else learning that lesson. My guess is that they really don't care that much how they are perceived otherwise they would measure their words more carefully as did Brian Voltaggio and Kevin Gillsepie.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              cowboyardee RE: John E. Dec 9, 2010 01:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There's an art to it though, and it's not just about being nice and diplomatic and censoring yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Spike doesn't mind talking a bit of trash, and is obviously mugging for the camera - and he's gotten a lot of camera time doing it. Heck, it's probably the reason he's on All Stars.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Brian V. was often called out by fans for being boring. He was probably a little too measured and careful. Dale L (season 3) on the other hand has gotten away with many negative comments and dick-ish behavior because he's funny and charismatic on camera. His image hasn't seemed to suffer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 9, 2010 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I know. I just hate it when the editing Elves do that to us. But, that's their job.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Excuse the dumb question, but I did not watch Season 1.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Was there some sort of tension, sexual or otherwise, between Stephen and Katie Lee?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Miss Needle RE: ipsedixit Dec 9, 2010 02:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not that I'm aware of. Actually, my gaydar kind of goes off when it comes to Stephen. If you're referring to the Season 1 clip, that was taken from an episode where they had to make themed desserts for a sex shop party.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ipsedixit RE: Miss Needle Dec 9, 2010 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. -thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: Miss Needle Dec 9, 2010 04:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Actually, my gaydar kind of goes off when it comes to Stephen.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                that makes two of us. i vaguely recall being creeped out by that particular clip when the show first aired...4+ years later it's still just as icky.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 05:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think Stephen is just icky in general -- gay, straight, or whatever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm surprised he didn't strip down a "tie-and-shirt" pajama outfit for their night at the museum ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 9, 2010 06:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    you're right, it's his general vibe. my guess is that he dons a bow tie at bedtime - slightly lower risk of accidental strangulation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'm personally just sorry that Tre didn't feel comfortable enough to sleep the way he does at home.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 06:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Best bod amongst Top Chef male contestants? Ludo or Tre? I guess it just depends on what stirs your cup of tea ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Dec 9, 2010 06:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, my vote goes for Tre. Hands up - utensils down. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          NellyNel RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 07:18 AM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I always thought Dale was kind of hot (dark haired Dale)...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hand I's thinks he looks even hotter this time around!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If I can't have Stefan - I suppose Dale will do...


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 9, 2010 07:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ludo? where's that come from? i have no idea if he's in good shape - i was so turned off by his attitude and personality that i never even bothered to take note of his physical attributes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          it's Tre all the way for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          actually, now that i think about it, TC has been really light on the eye candy in terms of male contestants.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          anyway, stirrers, utensils, hands...we all need to get our minds out of the gutter ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 9, 2010 07:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Here you go ... Ludo in the flesh, er, I mean "fish".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 9, 2010 07:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              meh. it's still Tre for me. if i hooked both of 'em, i'd toss Ludo back.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jeanmarieok RE: ipsedixit Dec 10, 2010 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ludo is hot, hot, hot!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chicgail RE: ipsedixit Dec 10, 2010 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I wouldn't kick either of them out ..., but yeah, for body only, Tre.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              debbiel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 04:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, ghg, I was disappointed by that too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chicgail RE: ipsedixit Dec 10, 2010 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Stephen reminds me of a self-conscious parody of Jeeves The British Butler.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. huiray RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 07:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There have been a number of comments about how only certain kinds of food or dishes are appropriate breakfast dishes and everything else is beyond the pale, although others have commented that it need not be so. To me, It seems a little sad that some folks have a narrow, limited view of what constitutes breakfast. There is so much variety out there, and folks in other parts of the world eat a vast amount of different stuff for breakfast. Bacon n eggs or Danish pastries or cereal or pancakes are not the only things that ought to be thought of as "breakfast foods". Even though this challenge was to prepare b'fast for kids and their parents and museum staff in an American setting, it seems so limiting if one were to think of it as having to provide foods that hew to the lines of what some folks rigidly think of as suitable for b'fasts for themselves.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (I just had, for b'fast: Hainan chicken, rice boiled in chicken stock w/ ginger, blanched spinach drizzled w/ Ponzu sauce, peppery short ribs & daikon soup)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          tofuburrito RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 09:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm not a fan of what's considered traditional breakfast foods (I detest eggs) and tend to consider anything I enjoy eating as being acceptable to eat at any time of day.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            huiray RE: tofuburrito Dec 10, 2010 11:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So glad to hear it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chrisonli RE: huiray Dec 10, 2010 02:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just 2 words - cold pizza!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bellachefa RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I got dizzy reading all of this. What I saw was a girl breaking down. I think she has huge Daddy issues and was perhaps abused verbally or physically in her past. Her attack at judges table was just too passionate and misplaced. I don't know if Daddy abused her for losing her top chef season or if he abused her during her childhood, but Daddy definately was present at judges table. I hope she is ok. She just seems damaged

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              NellyNel RE: Bellachefa Dec 10, 2010 09:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think you are over-analizing a bit!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree a dad who says: "Second place isnt WINNING" and "not winning is LOSING"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              is likey to mess up a childs head...but to assume she was abused is a bit much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i think she was just drunk and lost her cool....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              it was obnoxious, but it happens....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bellachefa RE: NellyNel Dec 10, 2010 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sorry but every bit of her behavior suggests that she is damaged in some way. I hope she finds peace and puts this behind her.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Bellachefa Dec 11, 2010 03:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Calling Jen "damaged" without being her personal psychologist or psychiatrist, and only watching a few minutes of her on a TV show, is a rather sweeping generalization to make.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    trolley RE: LindaWhit Dec 11, 2010 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    you haven't seen damaged until you've watched seth on TC Just Desserts :D Now that seemed damaged. jen, just seemed drunk, pissed and tired.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser RE: trolley Dec 11, 2010 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's a good description of Jen at the JT. I felt bad for Seth and wish they hadn't shown all that. Well, the red hot mommy thing was kind of funny at first but with everything else, it was all too much. We've all been there as Jen was, stressed and angry and gotten heated in the moment, whether you feel you've been attacked by the judges at JT, or by others on a message board and responded as such. ;-o It doesn't mean we're "damaged" which just seems like a terrible term to throw on a person anyway, if you're just caught up and too emotionally vested.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        trolley RE: chowser Dec 11, 2010 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        now i feel bad i said anything about seth :( not that he's reading this and he cares but he clearly had issues and went to a very dark place in public. as discussed in detail in one of the just dessert thread, there's so much editing and even sound bites that are edited in afterwards that we only see the final cut of short snippets. i understand the judges table (or the tribal council in survivor) takes a very long time and after no sleep and a bunch of booze i'm sure i'd be pretty angry too. yeah, her dish probably fell short and she snapped a bit too much but to say she is damaged and has probably been abused is simply wrong.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        debbiel RE: trolley Dec 11, 2010 10:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Excellent analysis.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        linus RE: LindaWhit Dec 12, 2010 05:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        no more or less a sweeping generalization than those posted on these threads on a regular basis.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bellachefa RE: linus Dec 12, 2010 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          thnx linus

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser RE: linus Dec 13, 2010 03:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Possibly but I don't recall anyone ever saying someone's father had abused them either sexually or physically, based on losing his/her temper at the judges table. That seems like a far bigger jump than I've ever seen.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: chowser Dec 13, 2010 04:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks chowser. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              (And food related - I spelled your name "chowder" before fixing it. LOL!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                debbiel RE: chowser Dec 13, 2010 05:32 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bellachefa RE: debbiel Dec 13, 2010 07:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  what does +1 mean?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    debbiel RE: Bellachefa Dec 13, 2010 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It basically means I agree with the post. So in this case, I agree that making a sweeping generalization about a history of abuse in a cheftestant's family is different than a sweeping generalization, say, about whether or not someone seasons properly or even about whether or not someone is a likable person.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Bellachefa RE: debbiel Dec 13, 2010 07:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I thought you were keeping score or something. Never saw that before. It's fine that people don't agree with my post. It was Jen herself that kept commenting on her father and second place and as if that wasn't enough how was he going to react to second from last place. She looked concerned.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now as far as sexual? Where'd you pull that one out of chowser and why would you +1 that post? Odd. Well enuff is enuff on this subject for me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DGresh RE: Bellachefa Dec 13, 2010 07:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        as I recall the +1 thing is kind of a geeky tradition in, for example, software development user groups where you have to vote, for example, to allow someone write-access privileges for open source software. People just respond with "+1" to say essentially, "I vote yes" or "I agree". At least that is this geeky person's familiarity with it. As such things tend to do, it has migrated to comment blogs in general.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chowser RE: Bellachefa Dec 13, 2010 08:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sorry, I read abuse and thought sexual. Having a competitive parent in no means implies abuse. I don't know if you're a parent but I see quite a few who think second place is losing. They're loving parents but believe in winning. And, few top level Olympians aim for silver. It's not an attitude I agree with but to be a top competitor, you aim to win. That doesn't mean that top level Olympians are "damaged", just competitive. I just felt like your conclusion was a stretch--yes, she's competitive, it's a competition, yes her father might have been competitive but to conclude that someone is "damaged" because of it implies that every top level competitor is damaged. And, I've already voiced my opinion on calling a human being, especially one as talented as Jen, as "damaged." She lost her temper, many people lose their temper and you also seem to have done (deleted), in the face of disagreement here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Bellachefa RE: chowser Dec 13, 2010 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I most certainly never lost my temper

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              karenfinan RE: Bellachefa Dec 13, 2010 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              but it does seem like you crossed a line by calling her damaged, based on several minutes of a reality show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                chicgail RE: Bellachefa Dec 13, 2010 04:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                << I most certainly never lost my temper >>

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That would make you quite unique among human beings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mcf RE: chicgail Dec 13, 2010 04:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not when taken in context of this thread, as the statement was very clearly intended.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    chicgail RE: mcf Dec 13, 2010 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe I missed something in the thread. I know you referenced Jen as having lost her temper and perhaps BC's response was an attempt at being facetious about herself which almost always gets lost in this context. If that was the case and I misread it, I apologize for taking the thread off-point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mcf RE: Bellachefa Dec 13, 2010 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I thought Jen's references to her dad's attitudes about coming in second and her concern about what he'd think about second to last were very informative wrt her problems with the pressure of competition and her meltdown after elimination.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I don't know that I'd want to label anyone "damaged" more than the next person with imperfect parenting for such behavior, but it certainly doesn't seem to be helpful to her in this particular competitive context.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Indy 67 RE: Bellachefa Dec 14, 2010 03:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You have to take what contestants "keep commenting on" with a grain of salt. That's more likely the Elves at work than the contestants themselves. The editors often take a particularly rich comment and use it repeatedly to develop a story arc thus giving the isolated comment more impact than deserved. Obviously, Jen made the comment about her father, but was she wearing different clothes when we heard it a second/third time? Was she in a different situation (e.g. the confessional VS the stew room) when she said the comment a second/third time? Does a comment -- same situation -- same clothes -- show up on multiple episodes?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Bottom line: Unless viewers pay close attention to details like clothes and situation, we actually have little way of knowing how intensely a contestant feels based on the number of times we hear someone make the same comment.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  debbiel RE: Indy 67 Dec 14, 2010 05:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Or even the extent to which they're prompted to talk about it again. Perhaps Jen brought it up once on her own. And then in several interview situations, someone said, "Jen, talk to us more about your father. What do you think he would say about this?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Indy 67 RE: debbiel Dec 14, 2010 06:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Absolutely. Top Chef has difference audiences. Most of us on Chowhound watch more for the cooking than for the drama; however, there's a big audience for the reverse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The editors are looking at hours and hours of unedited footage, trying to make an engaging show. Based on the show we see each week, I'd say that the food-focused group is smaller than the drama-focused viewers. That results in repeated use of quotes when no such repetition exists. ...in egging on the contests to talk trash or bear their soul. ...in scheduling the filming to include little sleep, little food, and lots of alcohol.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mcf RE: Indy 67 Dec 14, 2010 06:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Either that or his attitude really is still inside her head when she's succumbing to the pressure, hence he comes up in her recap. One thing that's been most salient about Jen is her fear of losing or not coming out on top, both times on TC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The other salient thing, which is a positive, is that she's very well liked by others, is less competitive toward them than she is supportive and kind. Maybe her temperament is less suited to competition than to collaboration and cooperation with others? Is Jen working against type?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser RE: mcf Dec 14, 2010 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jen has shown many times that she's not suited towards this competition, from getting too much into her head, to getting down on what she's done, letting the pressure get to her, not throwing her fellow contestants under the bus (she could easily have done that to Jameie). She's shown that she's excellent in getting people to pull together as a team, directing people to do their jobs, producing good food, ie being a chef. She's not good at being Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: chowser Dec 14, 2010 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "She's shown that she's excellent in getting people to pull together as a team, directing people to do their jobs, producing good food, ie being a chef. She's not good at being Top Chef."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Except being a real top chef is all of those. She's just not good at doing so on a competition show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chowser RE: LindaWhit Dec 14, 2010 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          She's good at being a top chef but not at being Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: chowser Dec 14, 2010 10:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fair enough. Initial caps for definition. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser RE: LindaWhit Dec 14, 2010 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah. I just don't think she's cut out to be Top Chef, for whatever reason, daddy beat her or what. I think it's true of many good/great chefs--on Top Chef Masters many crashed and burned.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf RE: chowser Dec 14, 2010 01:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, exactly. Great at her job, not great at Top Chef style competition. You're both right, and, in retrospect, she really shone when she was leading a team in the kitchen in past competition, IIRC.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chicgail RE: chowser Dec 13, 2010 07:35 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    thew RE: Bellachefa Dec 10, 2010 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i was going through a breakup once and my brother, who was fighting with my mom at that time, said to me, don;t you think whats going on in your life has to do with our mother and how she treated us. i told him that i was (at the time) 40 years old, and whatever issues i may or may not have had because of my mother, if i had not dealt with them by then it was my fault, and not hers

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    momjamin RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    FYI, eater.com's recap is up. http://eater.com/archives/2010/12/09/...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      NellyNel RE: momjamin Dec 10, 2010 11:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Eater blog is so funny!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "As they wait for the decision, someone asks Jen whether she always talked to the judges like that on her season. No, never, she says. "Welcome to Jen All-Star." Hmm. Welcome indeed. And goodbye. Because your bland eggs, wet bacon, and inability to see flaws in your cooking are sending you home. Jen is baffled."


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. vorpal RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yikes. I was actually fairly certain that Jennifer would win, or make it into the top four. Season six was probably the season with the best food and most intense competition with such strong chefs. (It was my favorite season by a vast margin.) I'm terribly disappointed :(.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        donovt RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 05:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If this week was the cooking for kids episode, what will sesame street characters be doing? I don't want two kids based challenges.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: donovt Dec 10, 2010 06:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i was wondering the same thing so i did some Googling:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i don't know why they were in the promos for this past episode. i fear that we are unfortunately in for another kids challenge this season since the Muppets will be *judging* a QF. ugh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 10, 2010 06:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            With the Muppets, I wonder who the "real" judge is ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Dec 11, 2010 02:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The "real" judge(s) for that QF, at least, are the Muppeteers, who will be tasting the cookies or whatever the chefs have to make.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 11, 2010 05:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gak! The Muppets aren't real?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                How come you no label your post with [spoiler alert] ???!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Dec 11, 2010 07:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LOL! Sorry to burst that bubble, ipsedixit. But I'm sure you've seen how Cookie Monster eats his cookies - he's rather messy, you know. Can't have messy eaters on Top Chef. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser RE: donovt Dec 11, 2010 03:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't like the kids challenges but the chefs' comments about them were a riot, especially Dale L's. They had my family laughing non-stop during the QF.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Evilbanana11 RE: LindaWhit Dec 10, 2010 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Damn Jen was one of my top 3 for this season. Who would have thought she would go all ballistic and sent home this early. SIGH....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Thought Tiffany had grown from her comments at the beginning, then she goes on to whine about the "advantage" she was given for the elimination challenge. Hello? You won immunity and the chance to choose your teams main products. I think that is quite sufficient.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -I remember spike as being quite mediocre during his season. Surprisingly, he is on quite a role for the moment.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Casey and Dale L. annoyed during season 3 and are still annoying me now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Blais, Tre and Angelo are my favorites to win now. I know Angelo rubs some people the wrong way, but I kinda like him and he sure can cook. He can be somewhat strange at times but I genuinely believe his intentions are good when he helps out other chefs.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ps. Katie Lee makes Gail look like an Oompa Loompa.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Worldwide Diner RE: Evilbanana11 Dec 11, 2010 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tiffany had immunity. Could she have picked T-Rex to sabotage her own team? Getting Jen out was quite an accomplishment from a strategic point of view.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                roxlet RE: Worldwide Diner Dec 11, 2010 08:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oooh. Machiavellian!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Miss Needle RE: Worldwide Diner Dec 11, 2010 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's something I would expect from Spike.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    debbiel RE: Worldwide Diner Dec 11, 2010 09:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think that's probably too far fetched. I can't imagine that with the team she had, Tiffany had any idea at the onset that Jen would be the one who would be sent packing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: debbiel Dec 11, 2010 12:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      +1. Tiffani had no way of knowing - and had no reason to assume - that Jen would screw up like that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  tldmatrix RE: LindaWhit Dec 11, 2010 04:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lets take a journey back to Season 6. Remember when Jen always thought her food was not "good"? She never was satisfied with her dishes, but then always did well. This season Jen was extremely cocky about her food. She thought that there was no way that she would not make it to the finale, so she let her guard down. This is where she suffered. Now, magical elves could have spinned what actually happened, so I could be wrong, but this is what I saw from the show.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  When Jen freaked out after she was eliminated I was very surprised. None of her bad side ever came out in Season 6.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Jen is obviously an extremely accomplished chef and if I had to bet money on it I believe that Magical elves tweaked the story to make it more extreme than it actually was, but Jen did definately frak out. ALso, she was at judges table for 2 hours and they compressed that into 2 minutes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This episode completely shocked me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    chowser RE: tldmatrix Dec 11, 2010 08:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was surprised at her bahavior, from the get go at JT. The way she petualantly told the judges to get separate plates because they're the judges and they should figure it out? My son saw that and immediately said she's drunk. I wouldn't be surprised. I know it wouldn't make for good TV but the free flowing alcohol makes for awkward moments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've been wondering why I've pulled for Jen, in her season and this season. I think it's because she seems so accomplished, especially at her age, and gets along well with the guys, without either trying to out-man them or have a chip on her shoulder. She has a camaraderie with them that's nice to see. If she's impressed Eric Ripert as she obviously has, I think she must be quite a chef. That said, she does seem to have a sour look and hasn't really measured up to her potential on this show--this just doesn't seem to fit her style. Anyway, I'm sad to see her go, would love to see her again, would love to eat at her restaurants, but her behavior at JT blew me away. Anger? Alcohol? Exhaustion? Who knows but it was extreme.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JuniorBalloon RE: chowser Dec 11, 2010 09:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I thought the "get it your self" comment was odd as well. She seemed to be spoiling for a fight from the start. It made me think something happened that hit the editors floor. Maybe it will come out at the reunion show.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ediblover RE: chowser Dec 11, 2010 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think everyone's overreacting to Jen's reaction. I'm sure a lot of us saw some episodes of Top Chef: Just Desserts, and the way that the pastry chefs behaved makes Jen look docile. She was frustrated and possibly a bit tipsy. Still,give her credit for keeping it under control and exploding after she was away from the judges and peers. I'd take her defiant exit over the passive/pleading one we saw last week.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          momjamin RE: chowser Dec 11, 2010 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          She mentioned in her season (don't remember the context) that she's done some dumb things while drunk.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Miss Needle RE: momjamin Dec 11, 2010 09:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Here's an interview with her. She said that she was caffeinated, but that could just be talk.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            However, I'm glad that she apologized to the judges for that plating comment. That was pretty rude and arrogant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser RE: Miss Needle Dec 11, 2010 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I thought that was a good interview. With all the footage and how long it sounds like they're standing there being berated, I can understand her response. And, I'm glad she's had second thoughts about it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Miss Needle RE: chowser Dec 11, 2010 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And the chefs are more comfortable with the judges which will probably make them more likely to stand up to them -- though I have a feeling Carla will still be on the quiet side again this time around. I love that woman, but wish she would be a bit more assertive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 11, 2010 10:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Seeing how Bourdain is going to be a judge next week and knowing his acerbic tongue, I almost wish that Jen had hung around for at least one more week so she could unleash her tantrum and venom on Bourdain. Now, that would be must-see TV ... Too bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bourdain: Your bacon tasted like wet locker room socks
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jen: They tasted just fine and you're too old to know what good food is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bourdain: It also looked like something extruded from a now-extinct animal gracing the walls of the museum
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jen: Only after that animal bit off your head, perhaps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 11, 2010 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Besides the alcohol and/or caffeine I think Jen's reaction was mostly because she was so angry with herself for not executing a better dish. She saw Michael Voltaggio win an EC with the same cut of meat cooked with the same method and she planned on doing the same. Her reaction at the end was one of incredulity that she was being sent home so soon because she saw herself as a finalist. I wonder how many and which chefs might deep down not expect that they will make it all the way to the finale?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            sommrluv RE: John E. Dec 12, 2010 07:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I seem to remember her acknowledging when she's made mistakes in the past (on her season) with execution.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            My DH hadn't watched the episode and we watched this morning. It occurred to me when Gale said that Tre's sauce blasted her palate- Since all the dishes were on the same plate, did they eat the salty salmon sauce before Jen's bacon/egg dish, and that was why they felt it was so under seasoned?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JuniorBalloon RE: sommrluv Dec 12, 2010 07:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              According to Bourdain they use gin and tonics as palate cleanser so perhaps their tongues were numb when they tasted Jens dish?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            SeoulQueen RE: LindaWhit Dec 12, 2010 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            After an excellent start to the All Stars season, this episode left me disappointed.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Having a bunch of kids determine the winner of the quickfire was a joke. Spike was selected as one of the finalists because he was the only one that did a savoury snack and they obviously wanted two contrasting tastes to present to the kids. No big surprise that the kids liked the sweet snack. Duh!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I can also see why Jen was so pissed off during this episode. This episode wasn't a cooking competition and the judges saying it was about adaptability is complete BS - this was an endurance competition/who can get by on the least amount of sleep competition. Hey! Let's makes these cheftestants come in for their quickfire taping, spent all day prepping, go serve at the museum , sleep deprive them and have them cook some more and finally keep them in the stew room for more hours still while the judges deliberate. It was basically a type of culinary hazing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            People need different amounts of sleep and not having that rest can really impact how you function. I need 9hrs each night, otherwise I feel tired, head feels fuzzy plus I am not a morning person. Meanwhile, my husband is bright eyed and bushy tailed at 5am and can get by on 4hrs of sleep. So I can understand why Jen would be cranky and pissed off - she probably hadn't slept for 36hrs, was physically exhausted and fed up. Although I agree that doesn't excuse her behavior. Still, she's obviously a talented, experienced chef, otherwise Eric Ripert wouldn't have hired her and I have to believe she agreed to come back for the All Stars so she can showcase more of her cooking skills, not run around a museum at night serving to a bunch of kids - she's not a recent culinary graduate desperate to do anything to get her foot in the door. What are they going to have the cheftestants do next then? Cook with one arm behind their back? Oh wait, they already did that on pisspoor Season 7 - DC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And based on the Season 7 finale when Angelo got sick - the impression was that there would be no concessions given if he was too sick to cook and that he would be out of the running. So why was Jamie given a pass? She didn't cook so she should have gone home rather than Jen who at least put up a dish. I read Tom Colicchio's blog on the Bravo website and he says Jamie was genuinely scared about getting stitches. Again more BS! This is the woman with tattoos up and down her arm - how do you they got there, with a magic Q-tip? I always had the impression that Tom has a soft spot for Jamie when she was on Season 5 and this incident just reinforces that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I guess I'll just sit back now and watch the rate of "accidents" go up when other chefestants decide they don't like a particular competition or feel they're about to end up on the bottom 3.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bellachefa RE: SeoulQueen Dec 12, 2010 08:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I enjoyed your post! CULINARY HAZING indeed. You should comment on the judges blogs about that one!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                donovt RE: SeoulQueen Dec 12, 2010 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have numerous tattoos including one on my stomach that took 5 hours to complete. I get really nervous and can't watch if a doctor needs to draw blood though. I've also never gotten stitches and would probably freak out about getting them done.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  thew RE: SeoulQueen Dec 12, 2010 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  why would having kids decide what foods they prefer, as kids, be less legit than having the publisher of conde naste say what food kids like?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and once again - this show is not to determine the best cook, tis to determine the best chef - that's a job that entails more than just cooking. it entails being able to run a kitchen, to cater to other's tastes, to be able to keep a business running, even if that means getting 45 minutes of sleep sometimes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bellachefa RE: thew Dec 12, 2010 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Amen, I was once at the official opening of a restaurant in Bermuda. One of the first guests of the evening asked the chef to visit her table and talk about the menu as she was celiac. Talk about putting a wrench into the flow of the kitchen. Thankfully chef had prepared the front of house staff to pull the lags in the kitchen off flawlessly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cowboyardee RE: thew Dec 12, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "This show is not to determine the best cook, tis to determine the best chef"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It doesn't really determine either. Top chef determines who's best at varying format cooking competitions. Generally though, I would think your skills as a cook would figure more importantly than your skills as a chef in winning the contest.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Chef skills (managing others, sourcing ingredients, organizing a kitchen, planning elaborate menus) would come into play, but not as regularly and thoroughly than cooking skills, which are necessary for every challenge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ipsedixit RE: cowboyardee Dec 12, 2010 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Top Chef determines who is best at winning in Top Chef.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Aside from cooking and navigating the challenges, don't forget the chefs have to live together for the entire show (mostly, until they move onto the finale locale). So there's that part to consider as well ... some people, good chefs or not, simply don't function well in a confined "summer camp" or "college dorm" environment.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          cowboyardee RE: ipsedixit Dec 12, 2010 06:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Top Chef determines who is best at winning in Top Chef."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Even being great at cooking competitions wouldn't necessarily prepare you for the bizarre subterranean hazing that is a reality show competition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          thew RE: cowboyardee Dec 12, 2010 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          agreed 100%

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        DGresh RE: SeoulQueen Dec 13, 2010 01:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I absolutely agree with everything you said. You're right, Jen has a right to be pissed off at the sort of competition this was (but she didn't handle it well).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chowser RE: DGresh Dec 13, 2010 03:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, and even she acknowledged it after the fact.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: DGresh Dec 13, 2010 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nope, she really doesn't. Not only are all the contestants operating under the same conditions, but she's been on Top Chef before, and knowing first hand that the challenges occasionally include conditions like the ones in this challenge, she still chose to compete.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bellachefa RE: LindaWhit Dec 13, 2010 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In regards to the whole sleep depravation bruhaha - I would so have taken advantage of exploring the museum. That is one hell of a life experience I wouldn't have missed. Seems better and more inspiring then tossing and turning on a cot and not sleeping that much more anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Anyone who has competed, as all these have, know that sleep depravation is a certainty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Wtg2Retire RE: LindaWhit Dec 14, 2010 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for the synopsis. I have read all of the comments with interest. Even though I may be criticized, this is my 2 cents worth:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            When any chef states that their dish was “… not even close to being on the f*ing bottom,” that indicates to me that the chef believes they could never have a bad dish. Believe you me, if I were served mushy pork belly with hard-boiled eggs over the top, I would know it was a bad and unedible dish, and I am not a professional chef.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Unlike millions of others, I have never thought Jen was a great contestant on TC. I do believe that Jen believed those millions of others who thought she was TC material, and that she believed she had the top space in the bag this time around. That is what the extremely bad behavior she exhibited meant to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Neither have I ever cared for Jamie and do believe she will get the boot soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              invinotheresverde RE: Wtg2Retire Dec 14, 2010 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I totally agree WRT Jen. Sure, she worked/s for Ripert, but she's just a choke artist.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf RE: invinotheresverde Dec 14, 2010 01:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                She's proven on numerous occasions where she's produced what was judged as superior food that she's not "just a choke artist." Very few people are "just" one thing. Very few of us would shine if only our worst moments were given consideration.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Withnail42 RE: LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 05:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Final caught up on the Tivo...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Well there goes my first choice. Jen's reaction seemed so over the top that I wonder if she was reacting to something that we did not see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The real irony is that if Jamie was a decent chef she most likely would have been the one to go home. If she had any real back bone she would have worked through her 'cut'. Like many/most chefs do and finished the dish. Instead Jen did the thing herself and got sent packing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Jamie will most likely be around (and talking a huge load of crap) a while as she barley enough talent to get by. And certainly not enough to put herself out there and be in any sort of risk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. aching RE: LindaWhit Dec 23, 2010 07:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I finally got to watch this episode last night, and I have two words for Jen - Daddy Issues. If her father was watching, I hope he felt terrible that the lesson he has apparently taught his daughter is that getting first place is the only thing that matters, and not that carrying yourself with grace and respect is more important than winning or losing. Sad.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  thew RE: aching Dec 23, 2010 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  quoting myself from dec 10, further upthread:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "i was going through a breakup once and my brother, who was fighting with my mom at that time, said to me, don;t you think whats going on in your life has to do with our mother and how she treated us. i told him that i was (at the time) 40 years old, and whatever issues i may or may not have had because of my mother, if i had not dealt with them by then it was my fault, and not hers"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    aching RE: thew Dec 23, 2010 07:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I agree - Jen is responsible for dealing with her own issues. I just thought it was striking how clearly her issues seem to be rooted in her upbringing.

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