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ARE THERE COUNTERFEIT ALL-CLAD PRODUCTS OUT THERE?

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JOEDEGUG Dec 3, 2010 02:01 PM

I'VE BEEN SCOURING THE NET FOR THE BEST DEAL ON ALL-CLAD COPPER CORE. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PRODUCTS ON EBAY. MOST OF THEM ARE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THE CHEAPEST LEGIT SITES. SOME COME BOXED, SOME DON'T. MOST ARE ADVERTISED AS FIRST QUALITY. IT ALL SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE. HELP.....

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    rachgrn Dec 3, 2010 02:08 PM

    Yes, there are knock-off Al Clad all over the internet. My sister bought some and yeah saved some $$ but it is very much like buying a knock off Chanel purse -- looks okay until you touch it, examine it closely.

    Here's a tip for what is is worth: I bought the "Emeril by All Clad" pans and LOVE LOVE LOVE them. Check them out at any department store, they say right on the box they are made my All Clad and I absolutely love them and got a set for probably a third it would have cost for AC.

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      blondelle Dec 3, 2010 02:42 PM

      I've never heard of knock off All-Clad. What makes you think it's a knock off?

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        rachgrn Dec 3, 2010 07:24 PM

        They seem a heck of a lot lighter to me.

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          JOEDEGUG Dec 4, 2010 06:31 PM

          Blondelle...love the name....the prices are often 30-50% lower than best price I can find on the net. Most are advertised as new, but most come without boxes and warrantee cards. Look at ebay, I think you'll be astonished. All seems to good to be true. Just wondering if anyone has an experience buying these on ebay. Thanks.

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            emily Dec 6, 2010 11:04 AM

            Yes, I just bought a copper core set for around $900. Came with warranty cards and inspection cards. Looks/feels like the real thing.

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          JOEDEGUG Dec 4, 2010 06:32 PM

          Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it.

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            blondelle Dec 4, 2010 09:31 PM

            Sometimes people throw the box away or some sellers buy out a store's stock and there are display models that aren't boxed. There are also several A-C pieces that are sold at a better price such as the 4 qt. brown and braise pan which is the same as the 4 qt. saute but with a domed lid. That's only $119.99. Doesn't mean it's counterfeit.

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              iyc_nyc Dec 4, 2010 09:48 PM

              Blondelle, can you pls link to that brown/braise pan - is it at WS? Thanks!

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                blondelle Dec 5, 2010 03:57 AM

                WS doesn't have it as it's their regular stainless line and they just have the d5. Here's a link for it at Sur La Table, but all the stores that sell A-C should have it too. I know Bloomies also has it. Amazon has it too and has free shipping, as does SLT. Bloomies also has a 13" French style skillet with helper handle and lid for $139.99.

                Click to enlarge the photo!

                http://www.surlatable.com/category/id...

                 
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                  iyc_nyc Dec 5, 2010 07:13 AM

                  Great, thanks for the quick response - very helpful, as usual. :-)

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          Nocturnalbill Dec 4, 2010 07:27 PM

          Short version is that All-Clad is like many cookware manufacturers. They produce a number of different lines of cookware. They then set them at various price points. Owing to a contract with Williams Sonoma, we often get their new top of the lines first. The lower-end models are the same steel, just less of it, or fewer rivets in the handle. Still good cookware.

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            E_M Dec 5, 2010 03:19 AM

            My first guess is yes, as they counterfeit everything. Baby food, batteries, golf clubs, you name it.

            On the other hand, AC is still made in the U.S., apart from their lids and tools. So, a Chinese firm would have to import the goods into the country with a falsified "Made in" stamp. That seems difficult to me, importing a good into a country that isn't made outside that country.

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              Nocturnalbill Dec 5, 2010 07:39 PM

              Ah...but all All Clad is not made in PA. The upper end is definitely made there, but Master Chef 2 and down is not. They're made in China, as are the lids to the upper tier.

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                C. Hamster Dec 6, 2010 04:52 AM

                Even some pieces if "upper end" AC are made in China.

                Cookware and More is a very reliable online source for discount AC

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                  cleobeach Dec 6, 2010 11:54 AM

                  I second Cookware and More. I purchased most of my AC from the site, all seconds and the blemishes are, with one exception, the smallest of a scratch.

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                  Miss Priss Dec 6, 2010 07:01 AM

                  Nocturnalbill, are you sure MC2 is now made in China? According to All-Clad's website, "All-Clad has a policy of manufacturing all of its bonded cookware in the USA." This would certainly include MC2, except for the lids. (Though I guess AC could have a "policy" and just not follow it!) Of course the Emerilware line, which is non-bonded, is manufactured in China.

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                    grnidkjun Dec 6, 2010 08:12 AM

                    I believe all of the All Clad fully clad lines are made in the USA.
                    Some pieces such as lids, non-clad roasting pans (they have both non clad and full clad), the lasagna pan are made overseas.

                    The Emeril TriPly Stainless line is also made overseas.. so that is most likely the line that is in question as it is marketed differently and priced so much differently as well. I have one of these pans and it's still a solid pan.

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                      Nocturnalbill Dec 8, 2010 07:49 AM

                      According to our rep, MC2 is iffy. The lids definitely, but the thin sided pieces are China, the thick sided US. Odd but always a funny thing for Made in the USA lines.

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                        Miss Priss Dec 8, 2010 11:15 AM

                        Nocturnalbill, not sure I understand this. Which MC2 pieces--apart from lids--are "thin-sided"? All the pots and pans in the MC2 line appear to be bonded (to use All-Clad's term), and therefore "thick-sided." Unless your rep is thinking of things like fish poachers, metal bowls, etc., which I don't believe are coordinated with any particular AC line--they all just say "All-Clad" on them, and most (if not all) are stainless steel.

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                          Nocturnalbill Dec 9, 2010 03:59 PM

                          Sorry, for clarification, apparently I lost my mind and used MC2, when I meant general stainless pieces. Many of the pieces which are not from a specific line, are specialty. They are stainless, but not made in the US. And they are not molded from multi-layered stainless, but instead are molded from single ply and have a metal disc hot welded to the bottom.

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                            Miss Priss Dec 10, 2010 04:06 PM

                            Thanks, Nocturnalbill. All is now clear--and seems consistent with what's described on the the AC website.

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                    E_M Dec 6, 2010 10:42 AM

                    Having thought some more, one trick counterfeiters use is to import the pieces into the country and then stamp them while they are here, thus circumventing the authorities.

                    So, I would think that yes, while it is counterfeited, there are also a plethora of legitimate sellers that offer it at a cheaper price (seconds, overstocks, etc.)

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                      grnidkjun Dec 6, 2010 10:44 AM

                      And for those looking for Made in the USA items and information.. here is a story link from right here on Chow:

                      http://www.chow.com/food-news/65570/b...

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                    burgeoningfoodie Dec 6, 2010 07:03 AM

                    Hmmm I got a copper core from TJ Maxx or Marshalls or one of those types of stores for about 110 and now I wonder if there is a way to tell.. Having not owned one before that time.

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                      grnidkjun Dec 6, 2010 08:10 AM

                      The ones from TJM and Marshalls are usually seconds.. meaning a rivet location may be off a bit.. or some scratching.. there is usually an S engraved under the handle.
                      I've gotten several pieces this way.. great pricing, still really great cookware and yes, it's All Clad.

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                        Eiron Dec 6, 2010 09:32 AM

                        Yes, my AC-CC from TJM has a partial "S" on the underside of the handle (I couldn't tell what it was when I bought it, because it's not a full "S"). It also has the "All-Clad Copper Core - Made in the USA" etching on the bottom.

                        The AC-CC pan I recently bought from TJM had no etching at all on the bottom at all. But it had completely the wrong handle on it, from the LTD line, so I'm guessing AC's process puts the etching on after handle install. I decided to return that pan after all, & I don't remember if the handle was "S" stamped.

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                          burgeoningfoodie Dec 6, 2010 12:18 PM

                          Good to know. Since this was my first piece. I didn't even notice an S or if the handle was different. Guess I could go and look next time. I just saw a good price for such a large piece and couldn't pass it up.

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                        JOEDEGUG Dec 7, 2010 11:22 AM

                        Well, the final word in all of this is yes there are counterfeit all- clads out there. If it doesn't have a box and warrantee card...don't do it! I am the proud owner of a 12" chef pan that is a fake. I weighted. It is 5 lbs, according tp AC it should weight 7lbs. Best deal I can find on AC is http//:www.cookwarenmore.com. Running a special 32% off with an additional 20% if buy 4 or more AC products. They are seconds. Have bought there before, usually can't detect the blemish, any I do find are insignificant. Looks like the seller is going to take back the fake.

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                          Eiron Dec 7, 2010 11:31 AM

                          So-o-o-o.... where did you get it?

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                            DukeOfSuffolk Dec 8, 2010 09:15 AM

                            Makes you wonder though, what if they had gotten the weight right? :( I mean you'd think they'd buy one authentic one and at least have them weigh and balance the same. Not that I want them to get better at it heh...

                            btw amazon has a 10" all clad SS with domed lid for around 70 bucks as of this morning. I'm happy with my pro-clad :D plus I'm pretty sure no one has faked them :)

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                            robnc Aug 17, 2011 03:32 PM

                            A couple of years ago I saw some AC on ebay also. Had the same thots about fakes.

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