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Hi, looking for a good German/Austrian place in NYC...some place fun, lively and with a good beer selection..any thoughts? Thanks...

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  1. http://www.lederhosennyc.com/

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    1. re: Steve R

      I second Lederhosen. Loreley is also a good choice.

      Zum Schneider is a bit of a zoo but one person's zoo is another person's "lively."

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      Zum Schneider
      107 Ave C, New York, NY 10009

      Loreley
      7 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

    2. I highly recommend Heidelberg for traditional German fare and Seasonal, Wallse and Blaue Gans for Austrian cuisine. I've been to all four restaurants, and like them very much.

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      Wallse
      344 W. 11th St., New York, NY 10014

      Blaue Gans
      139 Duane Street, New York, NY 10013

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      1. re: ellenost

        ellenost, have you tried the Schwarzwälder Kirsch Torte with Sour Cherries at Blaue Gans? If so, is it a traditional version, or a contemporary take?

        Would the Schwarzwälder Kirsch Torte (or any of the other desserts that are served at CS and BG) served at Cafe Sabarsky be the same version that's served at the Blaue Gans? Not sure if there's a central pastry kitchen, or if each restaurant has its own pastry chef/team.

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        Blaue Gans
        139 Duane Street, New York, NY 10013

        1. re: phoenikia

          It's been a few years since I had dinner at Blaue Gans, but the dessert that I had was the fabulous Salzburger Nockerl.

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          Blaue Gans
          139 Duane Street, New York, NY 10013

          1. re: ellenost

            Thanks, ellenost ;-) Good to hear that it was a fabulous version of Salzburger Nockerl ;-)

            1. re: phoenikia

              FYI, Wallse also makes an incredible Salzberger Nockerl (another Kurt G. resto).

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              Wallse
              344 W. 11th St., New York, NY 10014

              1. re: ellenost

                Good to know ! ;-) Will mention both restos as choices to my chowfriends.

      2. It kind of depends on what you're looking for. I'd suggest Lederhosen, or Hallo Berlin, for big beers and kitsch. I can't say the food really blows me away at either (boxed spatzle, stuff like that). There's also the Zum Schnieder "beer garden" (with quotes highly intentional) in the EV, which I've only drank at.

        If you want a little less Oktoberfest, then Loreley is a bar/restaurant on the LES, that resembles a contemporary place in Germany, and attracts a German expat crowd. I've been dying to try Cafe Katja which is a moderately priced Austrian place on the LES with amazing word of mouth. It would probably be cheaper and more lively than some of the more expensive Austrian places around town.

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        Cafe Katja
        79 Orchard St, New York, NY 10002

        Hallo Berlin
        626 10th Ave, New York, NY 10036

        Loreley
        7 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

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        1. re: Mr Porkchop

          The food at Katja is much better than Lederhosen, but the place is long and narrow, doesnt hold many people and has a bar with only 6 or so seats. I like the place a lot but, given the original post, I think not for this.

          1. re: Steve R

            I guess I was suggesting that for Austrian Katja would attract a younger crowd than Wallse or something. I can't imagine even if small it's terribly staid. If you just want beer boots, Lederhosen is a great option, but I I can't recommend it as a food destination but I'm not sure if that's important. Fun and lively can mean different things to different people. I've seen people passed out and/or breaking glasses at Lederhosen, which I think is fun when I'm in the right mood. If beer is a major focus, there's always the beer gardens and Czech places in the outer boroughs as well. Koliba in Astoria has great Czech food, if that's not an oxymoron.

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            Wallse
            344 W. 11th St., New York, NY 10014

            1. re: Mr Porkchop

              I've been to Katja 3 times. While I find it pleasant and the food good, it's much more of a conventional restaurant than Lederhosen or Loreley which lean more towards a beer hall atmosphere.

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              Loreley
              7 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

            2. re: Steve R

              I agree completely with your sentiments, Steve. Katja has great Austrian food, but it is a small space. And with the dim lights, I wouldn't call it fun or lively. Lederhosen, on the other hand, is the very definition of Gemütlichkeit for me: German waitresses with tons of personality, a comfy Stammtisch where you can order some great beers or partake in the shots of Killepitsch being passed out, a friendly crowd that is rarely rowdy and comforting German cuisine, particularly their schnitzel. It's one of the most bearable bars in Manhattan.

              1. re: JungMann

                Yep. The owner of my local Brooklyn Spanish restaurant, where I hang out & eat very frequently, is a regular at Lederhosen and I've been a couple of times. If it was in my neighborhood, I'd hang out there. If Katja was in my neighborhood, I'd go for dinner there more frequently. Not the same.

                1. re: JungMann

                  I agree with you guys for the most part (used to live a few blocks away, and not so sure about "rarely rowdy" part, though I might have been to blame), just fleshing out the differences. I can't believe we've all neglected to mention the Heidi-esque wall paintings at Lederhosen. Drink a boot and it reminds you of Bavaria.

                  1. re: Mr Porkchop

                    How could I forget the Sound of Music walls in the back? Probably an artefact of usually sitting at the Stammtisch. I find it more comfortable up front and it lets me chat with the staff and patrons.

            3. German:
              Loreley
              Lederhosen

              Austrian:
              Cafe Sabarsky

              both:
              Cafe Katja

              Wallse
              Seasonal
              Blaue Gans

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              Wallse
              344 W. 11th St., New York, NY 10014

              Cafe Sabarsky
              1048 5th Ave, New York, NY 10028

              Cafe Katja
              79 Orchard St, New York, NY 10002

              Loreley
              7 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

              Blaue Gans
              139 Duane Street, New York, NY 10013

              1. Edi & The Wolf just opened in the East Village. It's an offshoot of Seasonal in midtown, with less expensive Austrian fare in a more casual setting. I like Seasonal, but haven't made it to the new place yet.

                http://www.ediandthewolf.com/

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                1. re: uwsgrazer

                  I went to Edi & the Wolf the other night (their 3rd night of service!). It's fabulous. Great food, a really good & reasonably priced selection of wine and beers. They've got Stiegl, plus a wheat beer and about 4 other choices on draft. They've got a decent selection of snack-sized stuff, too (the liptauer & bread was great), if you just want drinks and nibbles.

                  I Iove Cafe Katja, but Edi's going to seriously tug at my loyalty. It's much larger than Cafe Katja, and there's a pretty decently sized bar space, so you could actually go with a bigger group of people, which I wouldn't recommend at Katja. I'd say for fun & lively, plus the thrill of going someplace new*, Edi's your place.

                  And, if you don't like it, Zum Schneider is a minute away.

                  * Don't let the new thing scare you off. Service was great and I didn't notice any real kinks the night I was there.

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                  Cafe Katja
                  79 Orchard St, New York, NY 10002

                  Zum Schneider
                  229 E 7th St, New York, NY 10009

                  Edi & the Wolf
                  102 Avenue C, New York, NY 10009

                  1. re: mlle_mustard

                    Heidelberg on UES