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eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 09:27 AM

We've been on an old school kick - 21, La Grenouille, OIBLTIBS, Four Seasons most recently. Can anyone out there suggest a place in similar vein where I might get a last minute reservation for tomorrow?

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21 Club
21 West 52nd Street, New York, NY 10019

La Grenouille
3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

One If By Land, Two If By Sea
17 Barrow St., New York, NY 10014

The Four Seasons
99 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

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    gutsofsteel RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 09:36 AM

    The Algonquin?
    Keens?
    The Carlyle?

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      eaknyc RE: gutsofsteel Dec 2, 2010 09:43 AM

      We love Keen's - go there a lot. Algonquin is just for drinks in my book and the Carlyle is essentially off the map. But these are all thematically correct. Can it be that I've been everywhere...? Thanks!

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        gutsofsteel RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 09:47 AM

        The Oak Room?
        Patsy's?

        This is a tough one.

        How about Le Perigord?

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        Oak Room
        59 W 44th St, New York, NY 10036

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          eaknyc RE: gutsofsteel Dec 2, 2010 10:08 AM

          I think Le Perigord fits the bill. Never been, tres old school, reservations available. Thanks!! I love "jacket-required" and the gents in the party don't seem to mind.

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          Le Perigord
          405 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

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            Riverman500 RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 10:15 AM

            Le Perigord is very inconsistent, just so you know. During my recent meal there, everything was overcooked, except for the risotto, which was undercooked. The room is worn, musty, and a far cry from the elegance of La Grenouille.

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            La Grenouille
            3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

            Le Perigord
            405 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

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              eaknyc RE: Riverman500 Dec 2, 2010 10:17 AM

              ack! any more reliable suggestions, Riverman?

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                fm1963 RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 10:19 AM

                JG Melon!

                Daniel is old school to me, notwithstanding renovations and changes in location.

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                  Riverman500 RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 10:22 AM

                  For really old school, try the Harvard Club or Union League Club. If you're not a member, just find one who'll take you.

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                    AlexH1980 RE: Riverman500 Aug 6, 2011 06:35 AM

                    Harvard Club is very nice. The food is so-so but the dining room is lovely and not many people go there for dinner esp. during the summers so it feels very mellow and quiet.

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                  buttertart RE: Riverman500 Dec 7, 2010 05:22 PM

                  Agree 100%, our meal at Le Périgord this summer was a complete waste of money - indifferent food, service, setting (the banquette we were seated on was sticky!). There were certainly enough people lapping it up - it struck me as a cantine for the locals. NOT an occasion restaurant.

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              kathryn RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 09:49 AM

              For drinks, other options might be Bemelman's in the Carlyle, the bar inside the Waldorf Astoria, the one inside the St. Regis, Oak Room at the Plaza, or Campbell Apartment in Grand Central. Too bad Chumley's is still "renovating" .....For a beer, McSorley's in the East Village. For breakfast, Barney Greengrass?

              I've never been but Le Veau d'Or perhaps, from this list?
              http://newyork.grubstreet.com/2009/02...

              Il Mulino?

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              Campbell Apartment
              89 E 42nd St, New York, NY 10017

              Bemelmans Bar
              35 E 76th St, New York, NY 10021

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            kathryn RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 09:48 AM

            Minetta Tavern but unlikely you'll get a decent reservation. Last minute or otherwise. Perhaps the bar?

            Oyster Bar at Grand Central? Mixed reviews on the cooked food, though.

            There's also Peter Luger in Brooklyn.

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            Minetta Tavern
            113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

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              eaknyc RE: kathryn Dec 2, 2010 10:10 AM

              Loved Minetta Tavern. We went at 6:00 pm on a Sunday and still had to wait for seats at the bar.

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              Minetta Tavern
              113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

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              TooLooseLaTrek RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 09:49 AM

              The Oyster Bar at Grand Central.Preceded by drinks somewhere on the Grand Concourse( I like Cipriani) and post dinner drinks at the Campbell Apartment.If that's too much drinking skip the Campbell Apt.

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                eaknyc RE: TooLooseLaTrek Dec 2, 2010 09:53 AM

                too much drinking? (haha)

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                  TooLooseLaTrek RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 10:28 AM

                  A few others come to mind depending on what you consider old school. Some of these are from the 1970s/80s,but seem very NY to me.You mentioned you like the idea of jackets for the gents so maybe the 21 Club.
                  Steak: The Old Homestead, Delmonicos
                  Italian:Il Mulino,Patsys, Campagnola
                  Romance: One if By Land(this is bound to get some negative responses).
                  Chinese;Shun Lee Palace
                  80s heyday but still going strong: Gotham B&G,Aureole
                  Looking at your original post you already mentioned 21 and One if By Land.Sorry bout that.It helps to read the question first.

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                  21 Club
                  21 West 52nd Street, New York, NY 10019

                  Old Homestead
                  56 9th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                  Campagnola
                  1382 1st Ave, New York, NY 10021

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                    steakrules85 RE: TooLooseLaTrek Dec 2, 2010 10:49 AM

                    Of course Peter Luger. Another vote for OH and GBG. How about Bouley also?

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                eaknyc RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 10:24 AM

                Has anyone been to Il Gatopardo?

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                  TooLooseLaTrek RE: eaknyc Dec 2, 2010 10:35 AM

                  I ate at Il Gattopardo last spring and liked it very much.Very good food and service.We ate in the back area that has a glass ceiling.Very nice.Had drinks before hand at Beacon.A nice combo.

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                  Il Gattopardo
                  33 W 54th St, New York, NY 10019

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                    Stuartmc910 RE: TooLooseLaTrek Dec 2, 2010 11:03 AM

                    Sarabeths on CPS?

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                  TooLooseLaTrek RE: eaknyc Dec 6, 2010 12:20 PM

                  So where did you end up going?

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                    foodyum RE: TooLooseLaTrek Dec 6, 2010 04:12 PM

                    Il vagabondo comes to mind. firebird maybe.

                    Has anybody been to the 4 seasons lately?

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                      AlexH1980 RE: foodyum Aug 6, 2011 06:36 AM

                      Firebird is very nice. Food much better than I thought. NYC Restaurant Week is on right now for them.

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                      FireBird
                      365 West 46th Street, New York, NY 10036

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                        MWileyLach RE: foodyum Aug 9, 2011 09:26 AM

                        My grandparents have been going to 4 Seasons forever and they went last week and said the food was bland and underseasoned. They had their favorites the duck and the sole, and were surprised by the taste so much so that they asked the waiter about it.

                    2. rteplow RE: eaknyc Dec 7, 2010 06:14 AM

                      Late reply, but this is an interesting topic. Have you seen this post?

                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6973...

                      A couple of old Italian throwbacks:

                      Marchi's (Turtle Bay area, fixed menu
                      )V&T in the Columbia neighborhood has been there forever (as has Symposium for greek)

                      Not fine dining but delicious: Barney Greengrass on the upper west side

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                        Pan RE: rteplow Dec 7, 2010 05:09 PM

                        V&T has been around for decades, but what do you like there? I haven't been to Symposium in quite a number of years but found it quite acceptable if not exciting for a neighborhood place.

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                          RandyB RE: Pan Dec 8, 2010 01:34 PM

                          Is this really true? V&T and Symposium still live? I lived on W. 113th in the late 60s and early 70s. I remember the V&T well, and was there when the Symposium first opened. They didn't have a liquor license at first, but neighborhood friends got to go after hours and drink with the owner. (Yanni?) It was great.

                          Now I live in the mountains of central Washington and, for a couple of months a year, in Paris. Never get back to the old neighborhood.

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                        hamiltonheights RE: eaknyc Dec 8, 2010 02:37 PM

                        cafe luxembourg?

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                          RGR RE: eaknyc Aug 6, 2011 07:24 AM

                          Since this thread has been resurrected and I missed it then...

                          We dined at Le Périgord for the first time in October '09. The food was pretty good though not of the quality at La Grenouille. The room, as was said above, was showing its age and far from the lovely elegance of Grenouille. I'm not sorry we tried it though since it is the only other remnant of NY's Grandes Dames of haute French cuisine. We might even go again sometime.

                          Le Périgord photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

                          We've never been to Il Gattopardo. However, the owners recently took over the space formerly occupied by (the old school) Cafe des Artistes. We had dinner at the renamed Leopard at des Artistes a few weeks ago. The food was quite good and service was excellent. The new owners have done a splendid job of freshening up the space, and the gorgeous murals now sparkle.

                          Leopard at des Artistes photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

                          http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

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                            buttertart RE: RGR Aug 8, 2011 08:08 AM

                            We were at le Périgord last September and it was a dreadful waste of money. The food as well as the dining room (table appointments and banquettes, ours was sticky) were beyond tired. The worst restaurant meal of the past year.

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                            Le Perigord
                            405 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

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