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Top Chef All-Stars - Ep. #1 - 12/01/10 (Spoilers)

LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 06:11 PM

They're BAAAACCCCKKKKK! And so are we, boys and girls - we've got some Angels, and we've got some Devils coming back to duke it out for another chance to become......TOP CHEF! So is everyone ready for some backstabbing? Only if they're stabbing the backs of...hmmm...what - lobsters? Tee hee!

I am very much looking forward to seeing a lot of favorites come back....I truly think they have a great All-Star group! Okie-dokie - we're OFF and running! w00t!!! Who's gonna go first? 74 minutes and counting....YES, people, it's going to 11:15pm tonight for the first episode!

I'm loving the quick recaps as each of the cheftestants are introduced in the house re: what happened to them in their season. And WHAT a surprise, Marcel is still a jerk. :-/ TRE! My MAN! LOL The latest Fabio line as he's punching the elevator button: "Skyhouse...we're going up but I feel like I going to hell!" :-D And immediately following that line, we get "I not gonna take a bunk bed ever again - I squash my balls in my season and I'm not doing that again!!" LOL Fabio's back - yay!!!

Richard Blais saying the (*his*?) biggest competition is Jennifer Carroll from TC6. Good assessment. And it's BLACK chefs' coats for the All-Stars, and off they go to the TC Kitchen! Padma and Tom greet them, and Padma let's them know the winner will get $200K - the largest prize ever for TC (along with the Food and Wine feature and being featured at the Food & Wine Festival in Aspen).

For the QF Challenge? Don't know yet....they've got to cut to commercial, of course!

Whoa. I just read what I wrote so far. Linda, maybe you went just a *tad* overboard on the exclamation marks? Perchance you're a wee bit excited to have Top Chef back with these great chefs? ;-)

QuickFire Challenge: Each season's chefs work TOGETHER to create ONE dish that must represent the city in which their season was filmed. Winners of the QuickFire will all get immunity.

TC1 is going with a cioppino gazpacho for San Francisco.
TC2 is going with shrimp tacos for L.A.
TC3 is using mangoes, avocados, jalapenos, and pork tenderloin for Miami
TC4 has 4 chefs...could b e a problem! But they're going with deconstructed Chicago Dogs.
TC5 is using apples...a TRIO of apple dishes? Ugh. Trios. Please. STOP with the trios!
TC6 is going with mobster Italian food to represent Vegas. I kinda like that idea, as Vegas doesn't really have a specific food that's related to the city, does it?
TC7 is going with crab cakes for DC.

LOL - "Professor Blais" is breaking out the liquid nitrogen...no surprise there! He made a mustard gelato for the Chicago Dog - I like that!

So - who won? Tom goes over all dishes...sounds like there were several favorites, but TC4 wins for their Chicago Dogs! All 4 get immunity....Richard, Spike, Dale, and Antonia.

Now it's time for the Elimination Challenge...Room Service trays are brought in front of all of the teams and Padma asks them to lift their covers. The ingredients that sent them packing are on the tray - they have to make the dish that sent them home, but make it BETTER. Three hours to prep/plan in the TC kitchen, and then 2 hours at the Russian Tea Room to cook. And Tony Bourdain is back right off the bat! Yay! :::::doing the Snoopy Happy Dance!::::::

They're at the Russian Tea Room - and the kitchen is tight - so Tom comes in to split the group into two groups of 9....and whoever's NOT cooking will get a chance to taste the other group's dishes with the judges! Winner of the EC will get $10K.

Angelo, Dale Talde, Stephen, Fabio, Elia, Richard, both Tiffani's, and Tre are first up. The cheftestants get to watch on a TV in the kitchen what everyone else is saying about their dishes.

Jennifer Carroll was highly complimentary of Richard's dish. And YAY! Dale Talde un-EFFED himself with the butterscotch scallops, per Bourdain! LOL And unfortunately for Fabio, AB *hated* his pasta dish! He called it an "inside out animal." Yowch.

OK, Antonia, Spike, Casey, Marcel, Dale L., Jennifer, Michael, Jaime and Carla are now in the kitchen and the first group is now sitting with the judges. Fabio went right for AB, noting he said he hated it 11 times. :-)

And in the previews for JT, it looks like Fabio's in the Bottom group. Rut-roh. Please don't tell us that he's going home already? We, the viewers, NEED his silly comments! PaLEEZ???????

OK, back to the 2nd group's dishes: AB just called Spike the craftiest MF*cker who's ever been on this show for how he turned around his frozen scallop debacle! LOL But WOW. Jennifer didn't get ANY decent reviews! Could she be the one to go? It will be interesting to see who's in the top and who's in the bottom. And Richard Blais plated after time was up...a problem?

They ask to see Angelo, Richard, Spike and Jaime. Hmmm...this has GOT to be the top group! So Richard is told by Tom that he saw the tapes, and while his dish was excellent, he did go over the allotted time...so he is not eligible to win. Tom says the winner is Angelo - so the dish he got booted for just a few weeks earlier on his season, he wins for this go-round! But Richard Blais seemed to have had the best dish (per Dale T.) and he looks disappointed that he wasn't eligible to win.

Fabio, Stephen, Elia are called in for the bottom group. Not surprised at Stephen being there - he just doesn't seem to be very "cheffy." Fabio and AB go at it, and it could very well be him going home. :-(

The judges say that Elia refused to improve her original dish. Fabio's flavors were too thick and heavy. (I have to agree it didn't *look* all that appetizing!) And Stephen's dish gets compared to a colonoscopy by Anthony Bourdain. Yowza! LOL

Padma tells Elia to pack her knives and go...perhaps that was foretold by the Magical Elves when Elia was shown saying she was going to WIN the All-Stars. Hmmmm....

Oh, the PREVIEWS look great - even TOM gets into one of the competitions...and WHOA - this will definitely be a drama-ridden season, at least in the little bit we saw of the Stew Room and Jennifer taking on Tom Colicchio at JT.

Well, there you go - first Ep is out of the way. How does everyone thing the cheftestants did? Any favorites yet? Nah - too early, I think. Except I still think Blais has a chance. :-)

Toodle-oo - I'm off to try and sleep!

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  1. lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 06:24 PM

    I'm psyched already! The intro really set the tone, and it looks like it's going to be a great ride. I'm here with you, Linda!

    1. mattstolz RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 06:27 PM

      "professor blais"

      haha i like it! wanna try mustard gelato!

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        charmedgirl RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 06:29 PM

        Wow, I'm really surprised that so many looked like they gained weight. They were chefs before and they're chefs now. Wonder what changed for so many of them?

        Marcel's point about his season not ever winning cash or prizes is a good one I never thought of!!! First time they saw one of those "high stakes" quick fires in a later season the folks from the first few seasons must have been irate!

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        1. re: charmedgirl
          LindaWhit RE: charmedgirl Dec 1, 2010 06:42 PM

          Well, Marcel was TC1 - they were still trying to figure out if this was going to take off, and I'm sure had a VERY limited budget with which to pay the cheftestants any prizes. As it became more popular amongst the audience, more advertising dollars came into play. Poor Marcel. :-P

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            charmedgirl RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 06:46 PM

            Not saying there wasn't a good explanation. Just saying if I had been on an early season, the first time I saw someone win $10,000 for a quick fire, I'd have had some words to shout at the TV screen. :-P

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              LindaWhit RE: charmedgirl Dec 1, 2010 06:55 PM

              True, that. :-)

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                Withnail42 RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 04:35 AM

                True first few seasons you get an autographed book from a guest judge,or something along those lines. Around season 4-5 they started to get a little better. I'd be a little pissed too if I got a book and a few months later someone, perhaps they even learned a few tricks from watching you, gets $25,000 for doing the same thing.

              2. re: LindaWhit
                momjamin RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 08:01 PM

                Marcel was TC2 (just a nit) -- but I don't remember much in the way of prizes before S4? Then the high stakes money came into play in Vegas S6?

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                  LindaWhit RE: momjamin Dec 2, 2010 04:30 AM

                  Ugh - you're right. I was dog-tired last night (made an offer on a condo, and I was stressing!) and had trouble placing who was on which season. I'll have to print out a spreadsheet with their pictures and Season number! LOL

                  I can't remember when high-stakes came into being - I *think* they might have had a few "extra" prizes in TC3? But don't have time to look for that...at least not yet. I'm sure Wikipedia might have noted it.

              3. re: charmedgirl
                LaLa RE: charmedgirl Dec 1, 2010 07:22 PM

                i dont think it is so much they have gained weight (exept fabio has gained quite a bit) as they are "styled" now. They used to all look so ratty.

                1. re: LaLa
                  charmedgirl RE: LaLa Dec 1, 2010 07:32 PM

                  Ummm.... I'm afraid I have to disagree. I feel fairly certain that several of them have gained a decent amount of weight. It was very striking to me. I don't want to call anyone in particular out though, it doesn't feel very nice, so I'll leave it at that.

                  1. re: charmedgirl
                    LaLa RE: charmedgirl Dec 1, 2010 07:39 PM

                    uuuummmm...ok. I was just stating my opinion too :) Which I still think but then maybe the weight thing isn't really a "big" issue to me...big...get it...i crack myself up!

                    1. re: charmedgirl
                      John E. RE: charmedgirl Dec 1, 2010 08:14 PM

                      With the exception of Angelo and Tiffany, they're all several years older, it happens.

                      1. re: charmedgirl
                        jeanmarieok RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 04:22 AM

                        I know who you are thnking of, specifically. At least one big weight gain, and it wasn't that long ago for his season.

                        I thought Fabio (who did not gain weight) looked maybe a little too smooth? Anyway,I was glad he was not eliminated. A 'hint' in another article about Top Chef indicated sadness at someone eliminated early, and I was scared it was Fabio.... Not that I didn't feel bad for Elia, but I never considered her as someone who would make it in the long haul.....

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                          invinotheresverde RE: jeanmarieok Dec 2, 2010 07:53 AM

                          What the heck happened to Fabio? I barely recognized him!

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                            goodhealthgourmet RE: invinotheresverde Dec 2, 2010 08:01 AM

                            i'm with you. others have said he looks good, but i disagree. he needs a haircut, and he just looks haggard. he may have enjoyed a lot of success since his season, but it's taken a toll on him!

                          2. re: jeanmarieok
                            pitu RE: jeanmarieok Dec 2, 2010 01:32 PM

                            I think Fabio got a show of his own, right after his season...no?

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                              cowboyardee RE: pitu Dec 2, 2010 05:42 PM

                              If I heard correctly, he was scheduled to have his own show on Bravo, but plans were cancelled after Chef Academy got poor ratings and Bravo backed off cooking programs.

                          3. re: charmedgirl
                            nerfTractor RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 06:51 AM

                            Several of them struck me as having really gotten in shape since their original seasons, also not to name names because it's not really a beauty contest. I actually thought everybody looked like they were in pretty good fighting trim and ready to kick some ass!

                          4. re: LaLa
                            mcf RE: LaLa Dec 3, 2010 05:16 AM

                            My observation was that some of them looked notably thinner.

                          5. re: charmedgirl
                            chicgail RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 03:50 AM

                            Looks like Tiffany Faison from Season 1 lost weight. She looks good.

                            But what happened to Mike Isabella? He looks like he hasn't stopped eating since he left Las Vegas.

                            1. re: chicgail
                              LindaWhit RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 04:33 AM

                              I think Tiffany Faison looks great - AND her whole demeanor seems to have changed. She is SO much more relaxed - at least so far. I'm rooting for her to be one of the finalists.

                              And yes - both Dales and Mike Isabella all seem to have gained a bit of weight. Didn't Mike get married soon after his season ended? (Not that that would have anything to do with it.) And he and Dale L. both have their own restaurants, so lots of taste-testing? :-)

                              I still wanna smack Marcel. And I'm waiting for Tre to show his stuff. I'm thrilled he's back!

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                                charmedgirl RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 05:18 AM

                                Totally agree that Tiffani looks great! And I agree she is coming across so much better this time, which makes me very happy. I really liked her in season one and thought she was getting the "villian edit," so I'm glad to see that doesn't seem to be the case this time.

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                                  theferlyone RE: charmedgirl Dec 4, 2010 01:10 PM

                                  I met Tiffani about a month ago...she looks great, and she's much nicer than the Elves led us to believe during season one. She does seem to have a no b.s. attitude, but she was very gracious and appreciative of her fans. Her only commentary about this season is that it was a lot of fun...which leads me to believe that she was around for a good amount of it. :)

                                2. re: chicgail
                                  Sandwich_Sister RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 11:39 AM

                                  Tiff does look great, also Blais has lost weight as well since his season. And Dale L.'s face is looking a little chunky.

                                  LMAO at the Mike I comment. - more fame and less work perhaps?

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                                    ChefJune RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 2, 2010 06:42 PM

                                    Both Dales and Mike Isabella looked significantly heavier than on their last appearances, I thought.

                              2. chris2269 RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 06:30 PM

                                I'm so over Jamie already.

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                                  debbiel RE: chris2269 Dec 1, 2010 07:44 PM

                                  Wow. What happened in this episode to bring that on? Or is it mostly carry over?

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                                    chris2269 RE: debbiel Dec 1, 2010 07:52 PM

                                    Eaten her food in SF. Not bad but nothing I would tell a dear friend to go check out ASAP. Shes taking over/opening a restaurant here in LA and I will check it out but the over bravado (And now thinking of this it was probally coached or encouraged in all of them) is a bit mis placed. The best things at her restaurant in SF where the drinks.

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                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: chris2269 Dec 1, 2010 09:22 PM

                                      she's been the chef at Beechwood in Venice/MDR since mid-October.

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                                        Leely2 RE: chris2269 Dec 9, 2010 07:07 PM

                                        "Eaten her food in SF. Not bad but nothing I would tell a dear friend to go check out ASAP."

                                        Agreed. I live fairly close to Absinthe and ate there several times when she was chef. Not bad but not particularly impressive.

                                        Of course I never tried the scallops. :)

                                        The food has improved since she left.

                                      2. re: debbiel
                                        John E. RE: debbiel Dec 1, 2010 08:18 PM

                                        I agree. During her season she kept saying that everyone expected her to win a quickfire or elimination and she still has that same attitude. She forgot to tell the judges that it was her turn to win. Personally, I don't like it when they talk bad about other's work or to highly of their own. I liked the way Brian Voltaggio carried himself.

                                        1. re: debbiel
                                          charmedgirl RE: debbiel Dec 2, 2010 05:22 AM

                                          For me it was the moment during the quickfire when she said she was so much better than the other chefs during her season and that's why she suggested a trio, so she could do her own thing. Then, when Tom agreed her dish had been the best of the three (total bummer, I wanted him to take her down a notch) they cut to an interview with her where she was like "see, I knew my stuff was the best."

                                          I didn't mind her so much when she was on the first time but man she turned me off last night.

                                          1. re: charmedgirl
                                            susancinsf RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 05:54 AM

                                            charmedgirl, I agree. You'd think she'd get the concept that the quickfire was a challenge that required team work to win (The Chicago group certainly got that: sure, they had a very skilled 'professor' to make the mustard, but it was a team 'take' on an iconic Chicago dish). But no, it seemed she was more interested in showing up her teammates than in winning.

                                            1. re: charmedgirl
                                              pitu RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 01:39 PM

                                              When Jaimie's cooking something that Colicchio says is great, I don't want her "taken down a notch". The trio seemed a legit way to go to me, and NYC is full of individualists trying to distinguish themselves from the crowd. The Chicago dog had distinct elements clearly executed by each member, or at least the mustard freeze and the sausage were attributable.

                                              I soooo want this to be about the cooking . . . .........

                                              1. re: pitu
                                                charmedgirl RE: pitu Dec 2, 2010 06:12 PM

                                                Plenty of contestants through the seasons and last night have demonstrated that there's a way to make delicious food, distinguish yourself, and still behave with kindness and integrity. Last night, Jamie was not one of them.

                                                1. re: charmedgirl
                                                  debbiel RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 06:51 PM

                                                  Though I don't think she's in the top for arrogance, I can see how people could see that in her. I really don't, however, see what she did last night that demonstrated a lack of integrity.

                                                  1. re: debbiel
                                                    charmedgirl RE: debbiel Dec 3, 2010 01:45 AM

                                                    She's not in the "top" for anything in my opinion -- cooking, arrogance, or lack of integrity. But I stand by my statement. In any event, to echo what chris said to kick of this side bar, I'm already so over Jamie ... and I'm also sorta over talking about her. To be honest, I find her one of the more boring contestants. So I'll just agree to disagree about it. :-)

                                                    1. re: charmedgirl
                                                      chicgail RE: charmedgirl Dec 3, 2010 04:43 AM

                                                      Jaime's not going to win this one and she'll say or do whatever she says or does until then.

                                                      I am just so glad that Lisa who was a finalist on Season 4 is not part of this group. If you want to talk about a mediocre chef overloaded with arrogance, lack of integrity and - mostly - attitude. She is just not missed.

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                                                        LindaWhit RE: chicgail Dec 3, 2010 04:46 AM

                                                        OMG. Can you imagine Marcel, Lisa, and Mike I. in a kitchen together?

                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                          phee RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 09:00 PM

                                                          Oh, great - now I'm going to have nightmares!

                                                        2. re: chicgail
                                                          charmedgirl RE: chicgail Dec 3, 2010 05:13 AM

                                                          I had forgotten about Lisa!! Must have blocked her out. Great point chicgail -- I am super glad she's not part of this cast. (Wonder if she wasn't asked or if she was asked and declined?)

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                                                            debbiel RE: chicgail Dec 3, 2010 01:50 PM

                                                            <shiver>Lisa<shiver> I don't know that I would have been able to watch this if she had been on.

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                                                              centralpadiner RE: debbiel Dec 3, 2010 03:34 PM


                                              2. re: chris2269
                                                Withnail42 RE: chris2269 Dec 2, 2010 04:40 AM

                                                It was a real buzz kill when she walked through the door. On her season I found her overly annoying and tiresome for someone who never really produced.

                                                1. re: chris2269
                                                  tdmort RE: chris2269 Dec 6, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                  Wholeheartedly agree with you!

                                                2. lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 07:33 PM

                                                  I'm so sad to see Elia go home. I'm rooting for Jen, Richard, Tiffani. I can't wait to see Stephen and Marcel go home.

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                                                    LindaWhit RE: lisavf Dec 2, 2010 04:35 AM

                                                    What you said on the "rooting for" and the "can't wait to see go home". But WHICH Tiffani? :-)

                                                    Oh wait - it's Tiffani (with an i) Faison and Tiffany (with a y) Derry. Got it. :-)

                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                      lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 06:41 AM

                                                      Yep, Faison. I really liked Tiffany Derry but she didn't knock my socks off. I think Tiffani F. showed real talent.

                                                      It's going to get confusing, 18 contestants and two of them are named Dale, two of them Tiffany/i!

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                                                        LindaWhit RE: lisavf Dec 2, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                        I'll make sure I write Dale T. and Dale L., and get the right Tiffani/y! :-)

                                                  2. phee RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 07:41 PM

                                                    I'm glad Fabio didn't go home, and, as much as I love AB, I have to agree with Fabio when he stated he could accept and work with constructive criticism (as I feel Tom offered him) but not the kind of comments Tony made.

                                                    Now, those previews of upcoming episodes: is this going to be one brutal season or WHAT?!?

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                                                    1. re: phee
                                                      cowboyardee RE: phee Dec 1, 2010 08:42 PM

                                                      I disagree - brutal[ly honest] criticism is why AB is there in the first place. It makes for better TV, and Fabio certainly knew what he was signing himself up for going into this competition. He looks unprepared and rusty.

                                                      1. re: cowboyardee
                                                        cowboyardee RE: cowboyardee Dec 1, 2010 09:51 PM

                                                        Or maybe I'm wrong entirely, as Bourdain went and apologized for making Fabio feel sad.

                                                        Man, I just don't understand what this world is coming to.
                                                        *Pours self nice tall bloody mary and goes to bed*

                                                        1. re: cowboyardee
                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: cowboyardee Dec 1, 2010 10:00 PM

                                                          he didn't *really* apologize. sure, he said he felt bad, but then he went and trashed the dish again. i loved the bad puppy metaphor...classic Bourdain :) and if you read the second page, he tore Stephen a new one. he's still the Tony we know and love!

                                                          1. re: cowboyardee
                                                            LindaWhit RE: cowboyardee Dec 2, 2010 04:37 AM

                                                            God I love his writing. :-) And love that both he and Tom are working the gin drinks at JT! LOL

                                                            And AB was right - Fabio's dish looked hideous. Classic AB comment: "...bringing to mind immediately and inevitably, the command oft directed at a bad puppy: "Go on the paper! The paper!!" "

                                                            OK - just read the end of AB's blog - just freakin' BRILLIANT! LOL
                                                            "Still. I feel bad about beating up on Fabio. Maybe I'm losing my edge. Maybe I should leave the bloodletting to my sinister French colleague, Eric Ripert. Or that English guy ... what was his name? Maybe I should confine myself to constructive criticism. To a kinder, gentler, more mentor-like approach. Wear a big fluffy f---ing sweater to Judges' Table, speak in quiet, melifluous Garrison Keilloresque tones. Maybe lay off the gin.

                                                            Or not."

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                                              goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 02:56 PM

                                                              hey LW, do you live near a Sur La Table?


                                                              1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 04:06 PM

                                                                Why, one just recently opened up in a mall near me! ;-) But...but...but...I want TONY there - not just designing the course! LOL Ahh well, just checked - nothing in MA. Tony will have to make a personal visit. :-)

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:38 PM

                                                                  wait, what? i guess i should have read the details - i didn't realize he was just putting his name on it and not showing up. forget that!

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                                                                    ChefJune RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 06:12 AM

                                                                    No way in the world he could be in all those places (at the same time).. Wonder whether they are using their sales staff to teach his classes, or if they are hiring other cooking teachers to teach the course he "designed."

                                                                    I'm a culinary educator, and I can tell you for sure I wouldn't teach a course someone else designed. My own classes (and recipes) are pretty darned good.

                                                            2. re: cowboyardee
                                                              ChinoWayne RE: cowboyardee Dec 3, 2010 01:44 PM

                                                              Bourdain's blog post was pure, brilliant Bourdain. I have no idea if I would like Bourdain's food, but he is a Hell of good satirist.

                                                            3. re: cowboyardee
                                                              lisavf RE: cowboyardee Dec 2, 2010 06:43 AM

                                                              I agree, cowboy. I think what made it sting so badly was because everyone else heard the comments as well, which doesn't usually happen.

                                                              1. re: cowboyardee
                                                                Parrotgal RE: cowboyardee Dec 2, 2010 08:40 AM

                                                                Am I the only person in the world who can't stand AB? I find him immature and unnecessarily snarky, and just a general PITA. I don't see how anything he does or says can be interpreted as anything other than self-indulgent; certainly nothing helpful or constructive. Evidently since he has his late-in-life wife and baby he's not quite such a drunk/druggie, but he still annoys the heck out of me and I hate episodes he's in.

                                                                1. re: Parrotgal
                                                                  cowboyardee RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 08:56 AM

                                                                  "Am I the only person in the world who can't stand AB? "

                                                                  Yep. Everyone else loves him. He's funny and surly and a little bit drunk just like my favorite uncle.

                                                                  1. re: Parrotgal
                                                                    CocoaNut RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 09:42 AM

                                                                    I agree on your AB take; he's a pissant. Had to explain to a friend last night that the attitude has been finely honed on his own program - which is exactly why I don't watch it. But he's a popular guy cause proven by the Travel Channel giving him enough air time!

                                                                    I'm not a huge Fabio fan, but applauded his bravado in his counter to AB. Get 'em Fabio! lol

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                                                                      karenfinan RE: CocoaNut Dec 2, 2010 12:45 PM

                                                                      I have always been abig fan of AB, but last night I felt he was a bully, and went over a line. Most folks seem to think he was funny, and Fabio should take it. I agree that criticism is to be expected, but it should be about the food, not the person. Also, the judges are in a position of power, so it seemed that maked his criticism, to me, in the realm of bullying.

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                                                                        JonDough RE: karenfinan Dec 2, 2010 01:22 PM

                                                                        I am not a huge fan of AB either but nothing about Fabio's dish looked appetizing. We eat first with our eyes. A poor dish is a poor dish.

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                                                                          cowboyardee RE: karenfinan Dec 2, 2010 05:35 PM

                                                                          When did he comment about Fabio as a person? If he did I missed it - I only heard a scathing critique of his dish.

                                                                          For me, the balancing factor is that AB is just as enthusiastic and outspoken in support of that which he loves as he is in derision of that which he dislikes. He's over the top - of course - but he's honest. In a television personality or writer, that kind of candor is refreshing. Doesn't hurt that he's painfully funny as well.

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                                                                        2. re: Parrotgal
                                                                          charmedgirl RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 10:53 AM

                                                                          We are a distinct minority, which I fully acknowledge, but you are NOT the only one. I don't find him remotely funny or entertaining. I dread it every time I see he is going to be on. I also thought Fabio did a great job standing up for himself without sinking to AB's level.

                                                                          1. re: charmedgirl
                                                                            LindaWhit RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 10:59 AM

                                                                            And you know what? AB doesn't have a problem about Fabio standing up for himself. I don't think any of the judges have a problem with the cheftestants standing up for their dish, provided it's valid reasoning.

                                                                            Gail's blog at Bravo's website realizes that the judges usually go into the judging situations with little to no previous contact with the cheftestants, and it makes it easier to judge.

                                                                            However, as Gail said, she realizes she *knows* these people. She's been with them socially; she's eaten at their restaurants. So the judge/cheftestant relationship is now different. She also realized because they are so familiar with each other (as well as the cheftestants having gained knowledge in the ensuing years from their season), it will be much more likely that they'll say something back to the judges to defend their dish. In fact, she pretty much says that that *will* happen (giving us a hint for more interesting JTs).

                                                                            So while Fabio's heavy accent and goofballishness can go overboard, I still don't mind him, although he does draw dangerously near becoming a caricature.

                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                              lizzy RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 02:18 PM

                                                                              Agreed on all counts.

                                                                          2. re: Parrotgal
                                                                            Nettie RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 09:42 PM

                                                                            I don't hate AB, but I get pretty tired of his shtick. I can usually take him on TC because his time is pretty limited, but I find his show on the Travel Channel unwatchable.

                                                                            1. re: Nettie
                                                                              StewieBoy RE: Nettie Dec 3, 2010 11:49 AM

                                                                              I agree -
                                                                              Side kick more than star...

                                                                            2. re: Parrotgal
                                                                              tdmort RE: Parrotgal Dec 6, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                              No, you're not the only one. And I detest No Reservations.

                                                                              1. re: tdmort
                                                                                gmk1322 RE: tdmort Dec 6, 2010 01:00 PM

                                                                                Nice to know I'm not the only one, the constant griping about having to travel all over the world to experience culture and food, what a shame!

                                                                        3. d
                                                                          debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 07:43 PM

                                                                          I'm so excited about this season!!!! [extra exclamation marks for Linda. :) ]

                                                                          It looked/sounded like the Chicago team won the quickfire easily. It seemed just much more interesting than the others, and I wanted to eat it.

                                                                          On the "inside out animal" comment. Context is important. That COULD have been a compliment from AB.

                                                                          I really, really wanted Stephen to go, and it looked like that would have been a reasonable choice, too.

                                                                          Marcel and Stephen, and Spike to a somewhat lesser extent, still irritate me.

                                                                          Thanks for the recap Linda!

                                                                          43 Replies
                                                                          1. re: debbiel
                                                                            phee RE: debbiel Dec 1, 2010 07:46 PM

                                                                            Agreed on Stephen going home - I, too, wish it would have been him. And I'd add Mike to that group of "irritating" cheftestants. Your mileage may vary. ;-)

                                                                            Also thanks from me for the recap, Linda!

                                                                            1. re: phee
                                                                              debbiel RE: phee Dec 1, 2010 07:49 PM

                                                                              Oh yes, Mike. He's in my 2nd tier irritating group with very strong odds of moving to first tier if he stays around. The just a sausage and mustard comment about the Chicago team was sooooo whine-y and off.

                                                                              1. re: debbiel
                                                                                John E. RE: debbiel Dec 1, 2010 08:22 PM

                                                                                So I'm not the only one that finds those four a little annoying. I mentioned the same in another thread.

                                                                                It seems Elia didn't really want to be there. She didn't do anything to improve her dish.

                                                                                I agree with Fabiola, by the way, but Bravo hired Bourdain to comment exactly as he did in this episode.

                                                                                Did Elia make a threat at the end?

                                                                                1. re: debbiel
                                                                                  StewieBoy RE: debbiel Dec 2, 2010 06:23 AM

                                                                                  He's a 2nd tier talent n this group, too.

                                                                                  1. re: debbiel
                                                                                    Nettie RE: debbiel Dec 2, 2010 09:50 PM

                                                                                    I never liked Mike much and he didn't change my opinion of him last night. Although it seemed to turn out OK, he was whining about having a disadvantage by cooking a vegetable dish, when others had meat. It seemed like the problem the first time around when he was eliminated was that he didn't have any respect for a vegetarian dish.

                                                                                    Plus I don't know why he wasn't impressed by the season 4 QF dish--they made and cooked sausage from scratch in 25 minutes? Could anyone tell if it was in casing?

                                                                                    1. re: Nettie
                                                                                      Sandwich_Sister RE: Nettie Dec 3, 2010 11:17 AM

                                                                                      I like Mike I.

                                                                                      I don't think he was wining. They do these little interview setups where each chef sits in front of a camera and is asked questions about their dish. The ones the editors choose are the ones you get to see.

                                                                                      If you were in the challenge and then have to do an interview afterwards you may be asked the question. What was the hardest part of preparing the dish?

                                                                                      The talking head shots aren't real life but more of a collection of sound bites from interview type setups.

                                                                                      1. re: Sandwich_Sister
                                                                                        Nettie RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 3, 2010 02:32 PM

                                                                                        Agreed on the editing--from what I've read about how reality shows work, they also really prompt the contestants to trash talk others. I really doubt that I personally would be able to do a season of one of these without giving the ammunition to make me seem like a monster. This is also why Carla is so awesome: I don't think she said a negative thing about another person during her entire season.

                                                                                        I guess when I say that I don't like Mike, I mean that I don't like the character that they created and are showing me (but it takes a little longer to say all that).

                                                                                        1. re: Nettie
                                                                                          a213b RE: Nettie Dec 3, 2010 02:44 PM

                                                                                          I'm pasting what I wrote from the TC:JD Finale thread here, tweaking it to make sense for this thread:

                                                                                          As someone who is heavily involved with reality television (including several food shows/competition shows), I just want to clear a couple of things up with respect to editing.

                                                                                          1) Producers absolutely DO "coach up" characters/contestants, especially as character "arcs" and story lines are seen developing. Not only this, but some interviewers are VERY skilled in extracting emotions (tears, anger, etc), as well as coaxing individuals to say something they would not normally EVER say.

                                                                                          2) While most people may not be aware, interview bites are HEAVILY edited -- so in essence, yes we CAN make someone say almost anything in interview. We call it "Franken-biting". With a show like TC (and TC Desserts), bites are heavily edited to build drama/tension/conflict, as well as to set up and pay off story arcs (from major to minor).

                                                                                          Some of these Franken-bites are particularly egregious, though if you are not used to working in the industry you most likely won't catch them.

                                                                                          A general rule of thumb for those of you who enjoy reality television -- when it comes to interview bites, if you aren't seeing the person speak on camera, it's at LEAST 50/50 what you are hearing has been edited. Sometimes it's simply for brevity, others it's to completely fabricate a thought/sentiment dramatic point.

                                                                                          *caveat: I do not work on TC:JD, though I know many of the people who do. Just want to throw that out there for full disclosure.

                                                                                          1. re: a213b
                                                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: a213b Dec 3, 2010 03:01 PM

                                                                                            Good info. Yes, I'm always aware that when someone is speaking in a voice over, not only is it undoubtedly edited, but it might not even have been said in connection with what's happening on the screen. In particular, when people complains about someone saying something repeatedly, often it's something they said only once or twice that has then been edited in at other times.

                                                                                            1. re: a213b
                                                                                              Sandwich_Sister RE: a213b Dec 4, 2010 06:42 AM

                                                                                              +100 My husband works in the film industry to his credit he has only done one reality tv show and a music video for a certain group of mtv reality stars but I totally understand the goings on and working of a set be it for television or reality.

                                                                                              The difference is that with reality tv there is no script so they have to pull the story lines together, find the drama and conflicts, film them as they come to climax and eventual resolution. Sometimes they have to dig deep and reach harder to get that, So I know they do those bites to help the story line.

                                                                                              hehehe though never heard them called franken bites but I love it. :)

                                                                                              1. re: Sandwich_Sister
                                                                                                a213b RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 4, 2010 07:39 AM

                                                                                                You are exactly correct about what we have to do with reality, though some shows are much more produced/"scripted" than others (shout-out to The Hills!).

                                                                                                Not sure in what area your husband works, but if it is Post then he may very well have heard the "Frankenbite" term.

                                                                                                1. re: a213b
                                                                                                  Sandwich_Sister RE: a213b Dec 4, 2010 09:07 AM

                                                                                                  No he is in production Union Gaffer - Grip and Electric but we do know some people who are in post and I see how things go on a film set.

                                                                                              2. re: a213b
                                                                                                a213b RE: a213b Dec 4, 2010 07:37 AM

                                                                                                **caveat: I also don't work on TC, though again I do know many of the people who do. Though this season they are under "standing orders" not to spoil ANYTHING for me <grin>

                                                                                                1. re: a213b
                                                                                                  Sandwich_Sister RE: a213b Dec 4, 2010 09:08 AM

                                                                                                  hehehe yeah that must be fun trying to get them to talk about it. They are tough though, proven professionals who know the rules and abide by them.

                                                                                              3. re: Nettie
                                                                                                Sandwich_Sister RE: Nettie Dec 4, 2010 11:47 AM

                                                                                                I've got a few buddies I'm fond off who are crass and it's either you love them or you hate them, no middle ground.

                                                                                                These guys while they are crass are actually sweet teddybears underneath. That is kinda how I think of Mike I.

                                                                                              4. re: Sandwich_Sister
                                                                                                yummfood RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 3, 2010 02:57 PM

                                                                                                I thought I was the only one that didn't hate Mike I. In the interviews I guess it seems like he comes off unlikeable, but from what I've observed from season 6 and the first episode of season 8, it seems like he's gets along well with all of the other chefs. It always looks like he's laughing and joking around with the other cheftestants, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of complaint about him from the others either. Not to mention his food seems pretty solid.

                                                                                                That's just me though...to each his own I guess.

                                                                                                1. re: yummfood
                                                                                                  Sandwich_Sister RE: yummfood Dec 4, 2010 06:45 AM

                                                                                                  I think he's totally likable. I love the relationship he has with Jen , they seem like total buddies. He's funny but if you don't have the same sense of humor he does some may find him a bit offensive at time.

                                                                                                  but really to me he just seems like one big lovable ham.

                                                                                                  1. re: Sandwich_Sister
                                                                                                    a213b RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 4, 2010 07:35 AM

                                                                                                    I definitely agree, and there have been a couple of times I've been around him and he is really just a fun guy ... basically exactly as you describe him S_S.

                                                                                                    I don't think he'll win, but I hope he has a strong showing nonetheless.

                                                                                                    1. re: a213b
                                                                                                      Sandwich_Sister RE: a213b Dec 4, 2010 09:11 AM

                                                                                                      yeah I think the poor guy gets discredited for how long he remained on his season. Sure he didn't place exactly near the top but who would when your up against The Brothers V., Kevin and Jen.

                                                                                                      I think he may be cursed with going home in the same place as his season. I think that was 7th.

                                                                                                      I like his food and style as well especially when he does it very well. Interested in finding out about his New Restaurant venture.

                                                                                                    2. re: Sandwich_Sister
                                                                                                      huiray RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 4, 2010 08:36 AM


                                                                                                      As for his weight gain (also referred to in many posts above, with smart-aleck comments about it) a poster on another board [that LW seems to hate] attributed it to chefs tending to send out lots of free food to him when he went to bars/restaurants to unwind after work.

                                                                                                      1. re: huiray
                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: huiray Dec 4, 2010 10:32 AM

                                                                                                        I'm assuming you're speaking of TWoP that I "hate"? Can't recall ever saying that. In fact their write-ups are hysterical! I just don't like spoilers.

                                                                                                2. re: Nettie
                                                                                                  JonDough RE: Nettie Dec 3, 2010 12:15 PM

                                                                                                  I actually think Mike I.'s dish looked really well composed. It also received good reactions from the other TC All Stars.

                                                                                                  It does look like he gained a lot of weight though.

                                                                                              5. re: phee
                                                                                                mattstolz RE: phee Dec 1, 2010 07:59 PM

                                                                                                agreed on both counts. wasnt a fan of mike in his season and still not. and ready for stephen to go home as well already.

                                                                                                1. re: phee
                                                                                                  chicgail RE: phee Dec 2, 2010 03:53 AM

                                                                                                  Where is Stephen's "namesake restaurant?" He said it was named one of Top 10 new restaurants. Anyone know who's list that was? National? Local? In his own mind?

                                                                                                  1. re: chicgail
                                                                                                    Withnail42 RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 04:46 AM

                                                                                                    It was in West Palm Beach. I've since herd that he is no longer involved. As far as the "top 10" I belive it was best new restaurant in Palm Beach County, and that was several years ago.

                                                                                                    1. re: Withnail42
                                                                                                      chicgail RE: Withnail42 Dec 2, 2010 05:03 AM

                                                                                                      If only his Stephen's talent matched his ego he'd be unstoppable.

                                                                                                      1. re: chicgail
                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 05:09 AM

                                                                                                        EXACTLY. And this is why I seriously doubt he'll go far. From whatever we've seen in the past, he's just not as good as Richard, Jennifer, both Tiffanis, and many others.

                                                                                                        1. re: chicgail
                                                                                                          invinotheresverde RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 07:59 AM

                                                                                                          Aww. Am I the only one who loves Stephen? I think he's pretty funny and it's nice to see a wine guy that can actually cook (agreed, maybe not to the degree of many of the others). I hope he makes it to the end!

                                                                                                          1. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: invinotheresverde Dec 2, 2010 08:01 AM

                                                                                                            "Aww. Am I the only one who loves Stephen?"


                                                                                                            1. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                                              gastrotect RE: invinotheresverde Dec 2, 2010 08:08 AM

                                                                                                              You might be. Haha. To each his own I suppose.

                                                                                                              1. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                                                SDGourmand RE: invinotheresverde Dec 2, 2010 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                i like Stephen and think he is extremely talented.. He just needs to get back in the groove of being in the kitchen and cooking.. Take off the tie and loosen up a little and the food will come together..

                                                                                                                1. re: SDGourmand
                                                                                                                  momjamin RE: SDGourmand Dec 2, 2010 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                  Y'know, Stephen was back for a Christmas special or somesuch, and the same observation was made, that he's been off the line and FOH too much to be a real contender. He did a good job of seeing himself on camera and learning from it between the bulk of S1 and the reunion ep (where he apologized to Camille)...you'd think he'd come in better prepared for this whole season of competition (not a one-off special).

                                                                                                                2. re: invinotheresverde
                                                                                                                  Bellachefa RE: invinotheresverde Dec 4, 2010 06:59 AM

                                                                                                                  I think people will like the new, more mature, gentler, wittier Stephen.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Bellachefa
                                                                                                                    ChefJune RE: Bellachefa Dec 5, 2010 08:27 AM

                                                                                                                    ...or not..

                                                                                                                    1. re: Bellachefa
                                                                                                                      chicgail RE: Bellachefa Dec 5, 2010 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                      Oh, yes, a gentler, wittier, mature, arrogant bad chef is exactly what we are watching TC for.

                                                                                                                      I wish the man no harm, but really ...

                                                                                                                  2. re: chicgail
                                                                                                                    ChefJune RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 06:49 PM

                                                                                                                    Anyone else remember him saying (at the very beginning) "I'm not nervous. I never get nervous." I was thinking that maybe he should get a bit nervous....(lol)

                                                                                                                3. re: chicgail
                                                                                                                  ChefJune RE: chicgail Dec 2, 2010 05:01 AM

                                                                                                                  I think that restaurant is in Florida, tho I can't remember where, and it has an Italian name that ends with ".... Aspirinio." I was surprised to see him back because I felt from the beginning he was more of a FOH man than a chef. I think he is further out of his element than any of the other returning chefs.

                                                                                                                  1. re: ChefJune
                                                                                                                    lenwood RE: ChefJune Dec 2, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                    They didn't only pick the best chefs from each season, but also the most interesting ones and ones with colorful personalities. He is one of the more colorful personalities.

                                                                                                                    1. re: lenwood
                                                                                                                      momjamin RE: lenwood Dec 2, 2010 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                      Not to mention, the ones who accepted the invitation. Either they want redemption or another self-branding opportunity.

                                                                                                                      1. re: momjamin
                                                                                                                        CocoaNut RE: momjamin Dec 2, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                        I made a very similar statement last night.

                                                                                                                4. re: phee
                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: phee Dec 2, 2010 04:42 AM

                                                                                                                  You're welcome, all, re: the recap! This one just flowed, probably because I was SO DAMNED EXCITED for the show to start again! We'll see how I do 3/4 of the way through the season. ;-)

                                                                                                                  1. re: phee
                                                                                                                    piccola RE: phee Dec 2, 2010 06:23 PM

                                                                                                                    Agreed. The smugger they are, the more they annoy me.

                                                                                                                  2. re: debbiel
                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: debbiel Dec 2, 2010 04:41 AM

                                                                                                                    Bourdain said that Stephen dodged a bullet. It'll be interesting to see how he does in future eps.

                                                                                                                  3. John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 08:37 PM

                                                                                                                    I saw something disturbing in the preview clips they showed at the end...muppets. I first disliked muppets on cooking shows way back when The Frugal Gourmet had one of the furry rags on. I am sorry to see that it appears TC has stooped down there as well.

                                                                                                                    Marcel still thinks the other contestants disliked him because they are threatened by his talent. Apparently he has not matured or changed at all. Why is that not surprising?

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                                                                                                                    1. re: John E.
                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: John E. Dec 2, 2010 04:43 AM

                                                                                                                      Yes, Elmo was touted as one of the "guest stars" in other blogs before the season started.

                                                                                                                    2. goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 09:38 PM

                                                                                                                      first of all, a great big thank you to LW for starting us off with a terrific recap (as always).

                                                                                                                      random thoughts:
                                                                                                                      - i don't dislike Stephen, Marcel or Spike any less than i did during their respective seasons.
                                                                                                                      - *thrilled* to have AB back at JT. only the first episode and he already had some great zingers :)
                                                                                                                      - happy to see that each of top 3 QF teams contained one of my top 3 picks - Tre, Blais & Jennifer.
                                                                                                                      - thought Stephen would go home based on JT, and would have been fine with that, but i was actually somewhat relieved it was Elia, if only so we don't have to listen to her whine or have a breakdown every week. what was up with her?
                                                                                                                      - i miss the old Fabio. i understand why he felt compelled to stand up for himself, and i applaud him for it, but he just seems cranky and sullen these days
                                                                                                                      - think Dale was right that Blais would have won the EC if he hadn't been DQ'd.

                                                                                                                      and based on the previews:
                                                                                                                      - can't wait to see Colicchio compete against the cheftestants!
                                                                                                                      - already dreading the Paula Deen episode.
                                                                                                                      - Muppets? seriously?

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                                                                                                                      1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                                                                                        mariacarmen RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 01:47 AM

                                                                                                                        GHG, i think i'm right there with you. my own thoughts:

                                                                                                                        i dislike spike, mike, and stephen, but stephen less so.
                                                                                                                        Fabio lost weight, i think he looks good. who cares, it's cooking, but hi, it's a visual media, i have eyes.
                                                                                                                        along the same lines, Tiffany, the redhaired, not the African American, lost weight and straightened hair. think the change is good. They all look older because, you know, time has passed and they're older.
                                                                                                                        Jen looks like she's suffering again from some kind of choking under the gun. I really initially though she would be the take all comers gal.
                                                                                                                        Blais is great, think he has a good shot at this.
                                                                                                                        LOVE fabio, love his silly sayings, but i think yes, he's a bit overaggressive right now.
                                                                                                                        LOVE AB. don't care how over the top, that's what you want him for, plus i respect his food taste.
                                                                                                                        Personally, i want to see Tiffany (African American) make a great showing. i really liked her cooking (and yes, i know we can't taste the food.)
                                                                                                                        While not a fan necessarily of Angelo, glad for him to feel he redeemed himself.
                                                                                                                        While I think Stephen should have gone, i'm ok with Elia going home, because she was too whiny. go shave your head.

                                                                                                                        Thank you Linda, again!

                                                                                                                        1. re: mariacarmen
                                                                                                                          bigrow RE: mariacarmen Dec 4, 2010 01:23 AM

                                                                                                                          Listen, I do not care what anyone looks like - or if they have gained or lost weight - but Fabio was the one chef who i thought had GAINED weight.
                                                                                                                          I like that he stood up to AB. I am a normally big fan of AB, but I did think that he was unnecessarily harsh tonight. I know that he needs to earn his keep and be the acid tongued renegade his fans (including me) love. But tonight it seemed a little forced and deliberate. Overall, the season looks great - the talent of Top Chef Masters with the competitive attitude of Top Chef nobodies. It'll be the best yet. It's hard to imagine that any of these chefs (except Stephen and Marcel) could be gone because of one tiny mistake. (Stephen and Marcel should be gone already. They aren't good chefs, relatively speaking, and we already know their shtick, so they're entertainment value is nil.) I mean Blais overcooks a steak and he's done? When he is so far (IMHO) the favourite? It could easily happen! That's entertainment! And that's why I'm pumped for the season. Oh, and I understand the dislike of Angelo. But, he has only become more likable with every episode in which he has appeared and he is a number two favourite, I think. Can't wait to see what happens...

                                                                                                                          1. re: bigrow
                                                                                                                            cowboyardee RE: bigrow Dec 4, 2010 04:58 AM

                                                                                                                            "Stephen and Marcel should be gone already. They aren't good chefs"

                                                                                                                            I'm with you that Stephen is outclassed in this competition (he was my pick to be first eliminated), but I'm in the wait-and-see camp about Marcel. I don't think he was all that great of a chef at the time of season 2 (though he competitive among the other season 2 chefs, of whom only Sam really impressed me with his cooking).

                                                                                                                            But I suspect he may have upped his game since then. He's very ambitious. He's put in time with Robuchon and worked for Michael Voltaggio. And his style would play well in competition if he's honed it and improved his judgment. I don't pick him to win either, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a few challenges and knocks out some real killer dishes before getting cut.

                                                                                                                      2. JasmineG RE: LindaWhit Dec 1, 2010 10:38 PM

                                                                                                                        I'm glad that Elia left, for both culinary and entertainment reasons. I kind of wanted it to be Fabio just for the shock value, but then they would never eliminate a fan favorite like Fabio first on an all stars season, and I do look forward to more entertainment from Fabio, even though he acted like an idiot tonight. But Elia didn't seem to do much to change her dish from the losing dish that it was in the first place, and she is pretty boring TV.

                                                                                                                        Mike was just as irritating as in his season ("sausage and mustard", really?) but I look forward to more Blais, Jenn and Carla especially, and definitely to Bourdain as a judge. This will be a fun season.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: JasmineG
                                                                                                                          Bellachefa RE: JasmineG Dec 4, 2010 07:06 AM

                                                                                                                          I agree, the first whiner should always be voted off the island, and she was a whiner.

                                                                                                                        2. mamachef RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 04:12 AM

                                                                                                                          Linda, I did flash that Elia's overconfident statement probably foreshadowed her imminent doom; seems as though that show has become the tiniest bit predictable vis-a-vis the Chef's "confessional" moments.
                                                                                                                          I like Richard Blais. I respect his authority and what he does. That being said, I don't think he'll win because he takes such a strong line with the molecular gastronomy thing though he's a bit more balanced than, oh say, Marcel. I may be recalling wrong here, but I don't think anyone who's been slanted in that direction has won yet; the judges seem to be more classically-oriented.
                                                                                                                          I think Tiffany (the beautiful black girl) stands to win this one, folks. She's a dark horse for reals.

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                                                                                                                          1. re: mamachef
                                                                                                                            jeanmarieok RE: mamachef Dec 2, 2010 04:29 AM

                                                                                                                            I expect that Tiffany will be the strongest female competitor, too. Jen didn't seem to be on her game yet, but she's probably the next strongest female. And I don't want Angelo to do well. I think he was overrated - but, I never tasted his food, it was just his attitude that put me off. Looking forward to next week.

                                                                                                                            1. re: jeanmarieok
                                                                                                                              Bellachefa RE: jeanmarieok Dec 4, 2010 07:07 AM

                                                                                                                              Jen may not have been on her game yet, however they did have to fast edit her breaking down of raw lobsters as she snapped the tails off the bodies as a little boy does with bugs.

                                                                                                                            2. re: mamachef
                                                                                                                              momjamin RE: mamachef Dec 2, 2010 05:33 AM

                                                                                                                              Mike Voltaggio definitely used molecular gastronomy. By his season, MG wasn't as "out there" as when Marcel was doing his mad scientist thing -- both Volt bros incorporated it in as low-key a manner as any other chef would saute or braise. And the judges had gotten past the novelty and recognized it as a set of valid techniques (at least in mature hands like Blais and the Volts), not just bells and whistles.

                                                                                                                              I like Blais. I like his imagination, off-center sense of humor, and his game play. He plays the game (as he described in a blog a few seasons ago) as a good competitor should -- always trying to think ahead, interpret Padma's turns of phrase, wonder why they're going somewhere or seeing something. Not game play like Spike's -- let me take the protein that will cripple the most people whether I'm going to actually use it well or not. I hope Blais doesn't get caught up in his own head games and putting too much importance on winning this -- when he's in Willy Wonka mode, he's great.

                                                                                                                              1. re: momjamin
                                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: momjamin Dec 2, 2010 05:38 AM

                                                                                                                                when he's in Willy Wonka mode, he's great.


                                                                                                                                1. re: momjamin
                                                                                                                                  mamachef RE: momjamin Dec 2, 2010 06:42 AM

                                                                                                                                  You know, I didn't think about Michael Voltaggio - and I think it was because as you say, he didn't go all Dr. Frankenstein and insist on making nice meaty jello with tobacco and bourbon foam garnished with agar stars tinted with squid ink.

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                                                                                                                                    Parrotgal RE: mamachef Dec 2, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                    That was Marcel, right?

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                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 10:06 AM

                                                                                                                                      No, Michael Voltaggio used Molecular Gastronomy as well, but as mamachef said, he didn't go all Dr. Fronkenstein and create oddities with the MG. His was a light touch, but it wasn't the focus, as Marcel often made it.

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                                                                                                                                        ChefJune RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 06:54 PM

                                                                                                                                        I remembered Marcel as being famous for one foam after another, until Tom said Enough, already! I didn't find his use of Molecular Gastronomy particularly sophisticated... (a la Voltaggio and Blais). Molecular Gastronomy wasn't nearly "new" in Season 2. It's been around for many more years than that.

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                                                                                                                                  centralpadiner RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 04:28 AM

                                                                                                                                  Am I the only one that didn't like the quick fire? I liked that they had to represent their TC city, but I didn't like the fact that teams of 2 were competing against teams of 3 or 4. A team of 4 won, and it seems obvious to me that they should have been able to easily accomplish more than a team of 2. And having 4 people with immunity just kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Otherwise, I loved it. I thought the elimination challenge was genius! I really didn't know if I'd get into seeing all these folks back - I've been a devoted follower since the very first episode. But my husband and I both couldn't believe how excited we were to watch them compete again. It's gonna be a great season!

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                                                                                                                                    lisavf RE: centralpadiner Dec 2, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                                                                                                    Team of four could accomplish more but not necessarily better. Too many cooks, you know...

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                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: lisavf Dec 2, 2010 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                                      agreed. i thought the smaller teams had the advantage because in such a short period of time it's easier for them to focus and get it done instead of tripping over each other or butting heads. besides, as we've all seen on TC and TNIC, less is often more.

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                                                                                                                                        centralpadiner RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 04:28 PM

                                                                                                                                        I think it bothered me more that 4 people got immunity, leaving 14 available for elimination, while if a team of 2 got immunity 16 would be up for possible elimination.... that's actually a pretty significant alteration of the odds.

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                                                                                                                                          DGresh RE: centralpadiner Dec 5, 2010 01:39 AM

                                                                                                                                          I had exactly the same thought about it being unfair to the others to remove 4 possible eliminations.

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                                                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: DGresh Dec 5, 2010 06:46 AM

                                                                                                                                            It would be unfair if the pool was smaller and the choice was random. But it's not random "odds" -- the only way you would be eliminated is if you cook a bad dish. Being the worst dish of 14 instead of the worst dish of 18 is still worthy of elimination, and as it was, none of the contestants with immunity cooked bad dishes anyway (they always bring the bad dishes to judges table even if the person has immunity).

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                                                                                                                                              centralpadiner RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 5, 2010 12:56 PM

                                                                                                                                              I actually don't recall that, Ruth. Can you give an example of a person with immunity getting called out at judges table? I certainly recall negative comments while the judges are sampling a persons food. But I can't think of a single time that a person not eligible to be eliminated was called to judges table. It wouldn't even make sense to do so, since the point of judges table is to create the drama for the viewers of wondering which was going home. That would certainly be easier to guess if 1 out of the 3 had immunity. I should add that I haven't missed an episode in all 8 seasons, including Just Desserts (although I haven't watched any of Masters). This doesn't mean my memory couldn't be failing, but it would have had to be a rare instance if it happened at all.

                                                                                                                                              As to being unfair. I agree that the worst dish is the worst. But, we have all seen episodes where the chef with immunity doesn't put out his best work. Being the worst out of 14 is certainly harder than being the worst out of 16. That is why it gets harder as the season goes on. Even the judges will say that when them competition gets stiff, it is very small details that get someone sent home, not necessarily a "bad" dish.

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                                                                                                                                                Ruth Lafler RE: centralpadiner Dec 5, 2010 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                I can't remember a specific example, but I have a distinct memory of the judges saying that it was a good thing the contestant had immunity or they might have gone home. It certainly happens to people during team competitions, where the team wins and thus no member of the team can be eliminated, no matter how bad their dish is. If you think about it, team elimination challenges are much more unfair, because as many as half the remaining competitors aren't up for elimination. That's why restaurant wars often seems so cruel: if your team loses you have a one-in-three or four chance of going home instead of one-in-six or eight.

                                                                                                                                                ETA: If you look at the charts on the wikipedia sites for each season you can find examples. In season one, episode 5, Andrea won immunity in the quickfire and was in the bottom at judges table. More recently, in season 7, episode 6, Kelly was in the bottom at judges table but was "safe" because she had immunity.

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                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 5, 2010 02:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                  I think it has happened several times where someone with immunity has need up on the losers end of JT. I think it was mostly in earlier seasons.

                                                                                                                                                  In season 2 there was an elimination challenge where 5 contestants had to cook Thanksgiving dinner for the other 5 chefs that had immunity. Their chances of being
                                                                                                                                                  eliminated were doubled. This was the episode where Bourdain asked Collichio "what kind of crack-house are you running here"?

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                                                                                                                                                    Miss Needle RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 5, 2010 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Being the TC nerd that I am, here are a couple of instances off the top of my head:

                                                                                                                                                    1. Tiffani Faison had immunity in the children monkfish elimination challenge. Her team lost. Colicchio stated that she was lucky to have immunity because her attitude towards the kids challenge was lousy.

                                                                                                                                                    2. Brian Malarky had immunity and was called in for the Elks Club because he made a lobster dish for a low cholesterol challenge.

                                                                                                                                                    3. Casey Thompson had immunity and Colicchio stated that the reason why her team was called in to be on the bottom was because her dish was the weakest out of the three (the other two being Howie and Joey).

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                                                                                                                                                      bear RE: Miss Needle Dec 5, 2010 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                      I seem to remember some disdain, at least from Tom, for Angelo's celery with peanut butter mousse in the school lunch episode in Season 7. Pretty sure he had immunity then.

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                                                                                                                                                        Sandwich_Sister RE: bear Dec 5, 2010 05:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Yes he did have immunity. I remember someone thinking he had planned to do that to try and get Kenny out, but I don't really think that was his intention.

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                                                                                                                                                          centralpadiner RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 5, 2010 06:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Brian's (which I admit, I don't remember) was the only example that wasn't a team challenge (I didn't look through every challenge on the wiki - just among those mentioned above). Unfortunately, a whole team loses but only one member of the team can go home - and yes, the whole team has to appear at judges table. I agree with you regarding the fairness of this. I am sure it's been brought up before. But, the teams are, IIRC always equal in size. In this case, they weren't - which altered the "fairness" of the challenge, IMO. As others have pointed out, you can see advantages and disadvantages to being in a larger or smaller group. It was an unusual thing for them to do on the show. I didn't particularly like it. It just seemed awkward somehow that groups of 2, 3, or 4 were competing against each other, and then on top of that, all members of the winning group got immunity regardless of size. I realize it's the way the game is played, just like the inherent unfairness of the team challenges . . . some people get carried through on someone else's back, and others end up going thanks to someone else's horrible mistake. When this happens on team challenges, there is usually a cacophony of dissent on the board - yet none, except mine, in this case. Surprised, that's all.

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                                                                                                                                                            Sandwich_Sister RE: centralpadiner Dec 5, 2010 06:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Well I think people might feel differently had 2 of the 4 of the QF winners who had immunity were in the bottom but all did very well.

                                                                                                                                                            You are correct though there have been times when people have skated through with the help of others on their team, and some have gone home to horrible team mistakes before their time.

                                                                                                                                                            I always thought that Robyn got a hand from Michael V in a team challenge where I think Radika fizzled out on FOH in her season and was sent packing probably a little before her time.

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                                                                                                                                                              John E. RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 5, 2010 09:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Radhika and Robyn were contestants in different seasons.

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                                                                                                                                                                Sandwich_Sister RE: John E. Dec 6, 2010 02:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Yes I know that. I was just using them both as an example one, Robyn seemed to be helped and carried by her stronger team mate - Micheal V.

                                                                                                                                                                In Radika's season she ended up being FOH because none of her teammates wanted to be FOH and she went home.

                                                                                                                                    2. Withnail42 RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 05:02 AM

                                                                                                                                      Liked the episode. Glad that Elia was the first to go. She was irritating on her season always complaining and whining about something.

                                                                                                                                      Chicago did have an advantage on the quick fire as there were four of them.

                                                                                                                                      Liked the way they had Fabio discussing ‘bunk’ and ‘bunky’ beds. Wonder if he’ll be as charming with improved English skills.

                                                                                                                                      What does worry me are the previews. Not overly thrilled to see the Muppets (Not that I dislike them.)

                                                                                                                                      BUT!! Way less than thrilled to see Paula Deen on the show. What I liked about TC was that it was FN free. Real chefs cooking real food. With Deen coming on almost makes me want to turn the TV off. I want to get away from the assorted. FN idiots! Makes me wonder if TC has jumped the shark or at the very least approaching the ramp.

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                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: Withnail42 Dec 2, 2010 05:07 AM

                                                                                                                                        Yeah, the Paula Deen preview comment seemed rather "in your face" to whoever she was speaking to. I wonder if someone gives her shite and she's giving them what-for? Ugh - either way - that's an episode I'm not really looking forward to.

                                                                                                                                        And I'll reserve judgment on the Muppets being there....the ONLY reason I can see them being there is because they're introducing something about cooking for kids. That would make sense, yes? We did see a preview where there are kids in the shot, so I'm assuming it's cooking at a school or something like that.

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                                                                                                                                          lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 06:52 AM

                                                                                                                                          The new TV Guide has a whole article, and the muppets is (I believe) a QF where the contestants have to make cookies. Must be a QF because they wouldn't have an elimination where they just make cookies. They said the puppeteers actually did the cookie tasting and I assume weighed in on the winners/losers.

                                                                                                                                          And Paula Deen? Not looking forward to that one, either. But from the setup, it looks like maybe it will just be a QF (she was talking to the chefs in the TC kitchen, which is usually done for the QF, not the elimination).

                                                                                                                                          And yes, FINALLY, they go head-to-head against Collichio! Can't wait for that one!

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                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: lisavf Dec 2, 2010 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                            I got the new TV Guide last night, but didn't read it yet. But Padma is looking quite fetching on the cover in her "50's persona". :-)

                                                                                                                                            And if it's a cookie tasting, shouldn't the COOKIE MONSTER be there?

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                                                                                                                                              Withnail42 RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                              I think he was. I know I said I was less that thrilled that they were on. Me like Cookie Monster. So I'll watch for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                lisavf RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                Yep, it's Cookie Monster, Elmo and Telly. Not sure who Telly is, but definitely Cookie Monster is there!

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                                                                                                                                                  momjamin RE: lisavf Dec 2, 2010 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Telly's like the Eeyore of the Muppets, IIRC. Not sure what he'll bring to the table. Not that I think Elmo will add anything either. As if Spike, Marcel, and the gang weren't annoying enough.

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                                                                                                                                                  MplsM ary RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 11:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Wow, maybe I'm twisted but I can't wait for Anthony Bourdain to cross paths with Paula Deen and the Muppets. G & Ts, Tom, Tony and Elmo? Yes!

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                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: MplsM ary Dec 2, 2010 12:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                    LOL! My understanding prior to the season started was that AB wouldn't be on *every* episode - he'd alternate with Gail Simmons. So they might have cute, cuddly Gail Simmons with the Muppets rather than cute, cuddly AB. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                      chris2269 RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Just so you know there is no cute, cuddly AB :) Unless he is talking about his daughter.

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                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: chris2269 Dec 2, 2010 02:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Just so you know there is no cute, cuddly AB :)
                                                                                                                                                        Sez you. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                          mariacarmen RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                          i'm witcha, LW.

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                                                                                                                                                            debbiel RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, what Linda said. :)

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                                                                                                                                                      huiray RE: LindaWhit Dec 4, 2010 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                      So you read TV Guide... http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7507...

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                                                                                                                                                  charmedgirl RE: Withnail42 Dec 2, 2010 05:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I wondered if the groups with 3 or 4 people were actually at a DISadvantage, because they had to make a cohesive dish with so many different styles, strong personalities, etc. It seemed to me that Stephen/Tiffani and Marcel/Elia were much more organized and in control than those other groups. Lots of times it's easier for 2 people to work together than 4, I think.

                                                                                                                                                  ...that being said, both of those pairs were in the bottom, so maybe I am completely wrong!!

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                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: charmedgirl Dec 2, 2010 07:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                    nope, i agree with you - that's what i said above. i think smaller groups have the advantage in situations like this.

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Withnail42
                                                                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: Withnail42 Dec 2, 2010 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I was glad to see Elia go, too. She says she's "come into her own" -- if so, then "her own" is whiny, untalented and totally lacking in self-awareness. She has a real nerve to complain about Marcel being immature!

                                                                                                                                                    Fabio, I'm sad to say, seems to have read too much of his own publicity. Instead of being funny and charming he's now pompous and taking himself much too seriously. I won't be sorry to see him go.

                                                                                                                                                    I was really impressed by the Season 4 gang -- that really was a talented bunch!

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                                                                                                                                                      gaffk RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 03:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Actually, if you look back at the video, neither Ilan nor Elia shaved their heads until after they tried to shave Marcel. And Elia, at the start of the season, had Marcel's back as she had worked with him before. But she then got sucked into Sam's and Ilan's teenage clique mentality.

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                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: gaffk Dec 2, 2010 03:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Yes, at the time there was a lot of "Zaprudering" of the video that revealed a somewhat different timeline than the one depicted. I've never decided whether it was better or worse that she shaved her head afterwards -- worse, because if they hadn't already shaved their heads it really makes it seem more like a vicious attack aimed specifically at Marcel (whose hair was his most distinctive feature) than "hey, we did it, he should, too," or better because doing it afterwards could be seen as an act of contrition on her part.

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                                                                                                                                                          gaffk RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 04:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                          "Zaprudering"--love that. TC at the level of presidential assassination? I think not. And yet some . . .

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                                                                                                                                                        roxlet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 8, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Ruth, I agree with you on Fabio. His humor, which was charming the first time around, seems to have developed an intolerant, arrogant edge, which I found extremely unlikable. During Judge's Table, he looked like he was spoiling for a fight with Bordain, and he took the criticism as a personal attack. His dish was fairly unappetizing, and I don't know why serving pasta on paper makes a dish rustic. Houston, we have a machismo problem.

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                                                                                                                                                      gastrotect RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 06:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                      There isn't much to say that hasn't been already, but I will throw in my two cents anyway. I think Blais is tops right now. If Jen can get out of her own way she will be up there. Hopefully Tre brings it. I think the two from last season actually will make solid dark horse candidates (Angelo and Tiffany). Stephen needs to be gone yesterday. Hopefully he is next to go. I have to say, btw, I am really happy to have Carla back in my life. I really hope she sticks around for awhile.

                                                                                                                                                      1. C. Hamster RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the recap.

                                                                                                                                                        That Angelo certainly is a smug racoon, eh?

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                                                                                                                                                          chicgail RE: C. Hamster Dec 2, 2010 07:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                          There is a lot of smug in that group. Angelo. Marcel. Stephen. Jamie. Spike.

                                                                                                                                                          What bothered me was Angelo's "who, me?" reaction when he won. It's so insincere and inauthentic. And he only won because Richard Blaise was disqualified.

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                                                                                                                                                          sibeats RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Did anyone else catch the part with Mike Isabella during the Quick Fire when he was asked if he made the bucatini? He said he did make it, which to me meant that he actually made the pasta. But then he shot a look at Jennifer that looked like he was full of %@$*. Did anyone see him making pasta? Can you make bucatini in 25 minutes? Just wondering...

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                                                                                                                                                            SDGourmand RE: sibeats Dec 2, 2010 07:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                            No chance can you make bucatini in 25minutes. I doubt they even have the press for it.

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                                                                                                                                                              sibeats RE: SDGourmand Dec 2, 2010 08:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                              That's what I thought...but I was sure he said he made it...but then looked rather sheepish or guilty...

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                                                                                                                                                              LaLa RE: sibeats Dec 2, 2010 08:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                              he actually said that then you know Butoni to Tom....meaning I boiled the sponsers product.

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                                                                                                                                                                SDGourmand RE: LaLa Dec 2, 2010 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                That makes a lot more sense.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Ruth Lafler RE: SDGourmand Dec 2, 2010 06:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Nope. He definitely said he made the bucatini. I don't see why an experienced pasta maker couldn't make it in 25 minutes. The Top Chef kitchen has all kind of gadgets -- if they have liquid nitrogen they undoubtedly have a pasta extruder.

                                                                                                                                                                  I think the reason he was qualifying what he said was that he made the pasta itself, but his teammates made the sauce.

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                                                                                                                                                                    SDGourmand RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 06:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Because bucatini has to be dried first.. and I've also read that this kitchen has less equipment than usual..

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                                                                                                                                                                      JuniorBalloon RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      He did say he made it, but he had a shite eating grin and Tom gave him a double take and half laughed. I'm fairly sure he was kidding and Tom knew it and just played along.


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                                                                                                                                                                        goodhealthgourmet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        i watched it again last night, and they showed him working with what looked like a light yellow dough in a bowl. i honestly think he did make the pasta, because if he didn't, then Jen was really responsible for the entire dish and i think he would/should have been called out for it.

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                                                                                                                                                                          C. Hamster RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Didn't they show the pasta being cut with about 3 minutes left??

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                                                                                                                                                                            JuniorBalloon RE: C. Hamster Dec 3, 2010 09:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Fabio was making the pasta in that shot.


                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: sibeats
                                                                                                                                                                    gfweb1 RE: sibeats Dec 3, 2010 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I heard sarcasm in his bucatini statement..like "yeah right, I made bucatini in 25 minutes"

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                                                                                                                                                                      Nettie RE: gfweb1 Dec 3, 2010 02:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      That's how I took it. My _Encyclopedia of Pasta_ implies that modern bucatini is exclusively factory-made.

                                                                                                                                                                  3. aching RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Having the real Top Chef back made me realize what a poor substitute TC:JD was! The whole season of Desserts combined didn't give me as much of a thrill as last night's episode. I'm actually really looking forward to watching it again!

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                                                                                                                                                                      gmiof RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      What i would like to see is "Top Chef Champions". watching all the winners compete would be fun, but that probably wont come until after season 10 though.

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                                                                                                                                                                        tofuburrito RE: gmiof Dec 2, 2010 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        I know I'm in the minority on this but I was hoping Fabio would go, I've had enough of him already.
                                                                                                                                                                        Watch out for Antonia, she rocked it last night and she seems very calm, cool and focused.
                                                                                                                                                                        I think Angelo and Blais will be going toe-to-toe right to the end.
                                                                                                                                                                        Dale T was very impressive, if he can keep his temper under control he may be a force to be reckoned with.
                                                                                                                                                                        Dreading Paula Deen.

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                                                                                                                                                                          C. Hamster RE: tofuburrito Dec 2, 2010 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Count me as one who never thought they'd hear Top Chef and Paula Deen in the same sentence. Or paragraph, for that matter.

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                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: C. Hamster Dec 2, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            LOL! The little preview we saw was nails on a chalkboard for me. The voice just grates. It just seems overly affected to emphasis deep deep deep deep DEEP "homey South".

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                                                                                                                                                                            Parrotgal RE: tofuburrito Dec 2, 2010 09:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            You and I must be the only two people on earth who find Fabio irritating! I think he's just too full of his own Italian cuteness.

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                                                                                                                                                                              invinotheresverde RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 09:54 AM


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                                                                                                                                                                                SDGourmand RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 10:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Can't stand him and for a off the boat italian to put out a pasta like that, disgraceful!

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                                                                                                                                                                                  breakfastfan RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 01:43 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                    AMFM RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    i dislike fabio as well.
                                                                                                                                                                                    and was reminded of how much i couldn't stand elia - was glad to see her go.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      karenfinan RE: AMFM Dec 2, 2010 02:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      agree about Elia, I felt she and the others who attacked Marcel on season two should have been criminally prosecuted. I thought it was very rich that she said at the beginning of the show that she hoped Marcel had matured....seems to have no self awareness ( at least as she is portrayed)

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                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. RE: karenfinan Dec 2, 2010 03:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        When did Elia attack Marcel? They took the video camera from them and used the footage. If anyone other than Cliff had 'attacked' Marcel they would have been booted with Cliff. (And there wouldn't have been the final two episodes).

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: John E. Dec 2, 2010 03:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          They all -- including Elia -- ganged up to instigate the attack on Marcel, although Cliff was the only one who laid hands on him. That's why Tom wanted to disqualify all of them.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Karen, I was thinking just the same when I posted above.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            karenfinan RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            great minds think alike:-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 05:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Cliff was the only one that 'attacked' Marcel. While I think maybe Ilan may have a little overboard with his hatred of Marcel, in my book Marcel deserves most of the verbal abuse he received. He lashes out at others because he is insecure. He hurts others before they hurt him. If he would just be cvil he would have a much easier time at TC.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                Ruth Lafler RE: John E. Dec 2, 2010 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Really? Then why did Tom consider all of them responsible? Ilan was definitely the instigator -- it was his idea and he was the one who egged Cliff into doing it (IIRC Sam was holding the camera), probably because Ilan isn't big enough to wrestle Marcel down. Then he stood back and smirked while Cliff took the fall.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  cowboyardee RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  IIRC, Ilan was holding the camera as well as instigating. A brief shot of Sam showed him sitting on a sofa and looking uncomfortable, but not intervening or speaking up to object. Elia wasn't in the footage shown of the head shaving incident, at least not that I can remember, though she did say she there and a part of it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Withnail42 RE: cowboyardee Dec 3, 2010 04:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Elia was there. She is shown briefly off to the side in some of the footage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 08:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Like I said, if they had video footage of someone other than Cliff attacking Marcel they would have shown it. I'm not defending their behavior, just clarifying the facts of what happened. It seems as if everyone refers to this as an act where Marcel's head got shaved. It didn't. The only heads shaved that night were Elia's and Ilan's and they both showed little class. It was a prank that quickly got out of hand. The producers are also partly responsible since they provide so much alcohol and nothing else other than food in their dorms. They got drunk and made bad decisions, but the facts are still the facts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, Tom wanted to send them all packing, but they wouldn't have had the final two episodes if they had done that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: John E. Dec 2, 2010 08:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      "It seems as if everyone refers to this as an act where Marcel's head got shaved. It didn't. "
                                                                                                                                                                                                      it's just a matter of convenience/efficiency. it's a lot easier to refer to the "head-shaving" incident than to the "Cliff-pinned-Marcel-down-and-threatened-to-shave-his-head-while-Ilan-filmed-it" incident.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        NellyNel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 07:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        "it's a lot easier to refer to the "head-shaving" incident than to the "Cliff-pinned-Marcel-down-and-threatened-to-shave-his-head-while-Ilan-filmed-it" incident."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          ChefJune RE: NellyNel Dec 3, 2010 07:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, yes, but that;s the truth. :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: John E.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: John E. Dec 2, 2010 08:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        You're being obtuse. No one is disputing the fact that Cliff was the only one who laid hands on Marcel, but it was Ilan's idea -- Cliff wouldn't have done it if Ilan hadn't suggested it and egged him on. The fact that Ilan didn't touch Marcel doesn't mean he wasn't part of the attack -- someone who hires a hit man is just as guilty of murder as the person who actually carries out the murder. Ilan is a typical little weasel who gets someone bigger to do his dirty work while he stands back and watches with enjoyment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        As you pointed out, the reason they weren't all kicked off the show was that the producers would have been left without a finale, not because they weren't culpable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 04:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Exactly - Ilan knew *exactly* what he was doing. He was the one calling the shots and convincing others to join in his nasty reindeer games....and then sat back and watched it unfold while he tried to keep his hands clean.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            OMG! I didn't know they hired a hit man! That must have been the woman that hit Marcel with the bottle in the bar. Why did they invite Elia back after she hired that woman to hit Marcel with the bottle?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              ChefJune RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 06:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              when did that allegedly happen?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: ChefJune Dec 3, 2010 07:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Marcel was attacked with a wine bottle by a drunk viewer...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                obviously John E was being facetious about Elia having hired the woman to do it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 04:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            The producers are also partly responsible since they provide so much alcohol and nothing else other than food in their dorms.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ummm...the cheftestants are big boys and girls. They can make their own decision to drink or not to drink. They knew when they signed up there'd be no Internet, no TV, no newspapers, no radio...just themselves. So putting any blame on the producers in this situation seems rather odd, IMO.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 06:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Somehow all the other contestants on every other season have managed to refrain from assaulting their fellow contestants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                aching RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 06:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Plus, we all get bored from time to time - but it doesn't make me want to attack people. Maybe try sudoku instead. =)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 07:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Funny how that happens when you're a grown-up and realize consequences for actions, huh? ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 10:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's my point exactly. They all make their own decisions. Cliff made the decision to attack Marcel. You cannot place the blame on others for that if you're going to make them responsible for their drinking.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 10:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ??? You said the producers are partly responsible for the attack on Marcel. I disagreed with you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cliff also made his own decision and others cannot be blamed for what he did.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And yet in your post at Dec 03, 2010 12:37AM, YOU said:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "The producers are also partly responsible since they provide so much alcohol and nothing else other than food in their dorms."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That's rather contradictory, John, don't you think? Can't have it both ways.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 07:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I guess it could seem so what contradictory if you didn't understand my point. The producers provide them with alcohol and nothing else except for food. They get I to trouble that way. Each individual is responsible for heir own actions ultimately even with the help of alcohol or ideas from others. Obviously the producers can't hold someon accountable for something they said ("let's shave Marcel's head") because they want them to say outrageous things that's what gets ratings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: John E. Dec 4, 2010 04:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No, you don't seem to understand my point, as you continue talking in circles. You original partially *blamed* the producers for what happened in Marcel's season and then you said "others cannot be blamed for what Cliff did" and "you cannot place the blame on others." Circles. Contradictory.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But you know what? I'm done talking about Marcel's season. Yet again, the head-shaving incident has gotten more attention than it ultimately needs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 4, 2010 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mouthing off and doing something physical are substantially different. That has been the point I have been trying to make that you seemed to miss. But you're right, it's over and done.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Withnail42 RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 04:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ilan much like a mean girl in high school instigated the event and Elia for lack of a better word was his b***h . In fact Ilan, whatever his issues were, seemed to be gunning for Marcel right from the start. Ilan and 'classy' are mutually exclusive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    aching RE: Withnail42 Dec 3, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The poster said they showed "little class" (meaning they were not classy), not "a little class". I think you're in agreement.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Withnail42 RE: aching Dec 3, 2010 05:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ah. Thanks for pointing that out. In agreement but apparently can't read. Will edit post accordingly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 08:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    just one other note. i watched it again last night, and they had that little clip from the dinner show last year when Fabio & Marcel locked horns...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Marcel specifically said to Fabio, "Do also want to talk about when they shaved my head? When they held me down?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    so even Marcel talks about it as if they did, in fact, shave his head.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ChefJune RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Imho, Marcel was and is the single most annoying contestant ever on Top Chef. He is all about getting as much attention for himself as he can. I remember that episode very well, and his head was not shaved, and he was not hurt, other than his exTREMEly large ego. At thi time, I felt it was unfair that only Cliff got punished for the incident, since although he was the only one to actually touch Marcel, the others were just as in on the prank, if not more so.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            ediblover RE: karenfinan Dec 3, 2010 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Attacked? For the most part it was a harmless prank. It went downhill because of the way that Marcel acted. If it was someone else (most people) it would have been a funny situation, as it was intended. I certainly would have laughed it off and joined the "If Elia does it..." boat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            On Elia and her confidence, it didn't seem like she changed that much. I remember back when she made the "kiss" chocolate dessert and just broke down when not all of them formed properly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: ediblover Dec 3, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Someone much larger than he was grabbed him while he was sleeping, wrestled him to the floor and put him in a headlock. How is that not an attack? And since Elia and Ilan didn't actually shave their heads until after the ... incident ... I suspect that they didn't originally intend to do so, but were really intent on shaving Marcel's head because his hair was such a distinctive feature. Can't you see them sitting there, drinking, and talking about how annoying Marcel is, and then saying "I even hate his hair, wouldn't it be great to shave his head..." and then things deteriorating from there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                jcattles RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 01:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not even sure who to respond to, but here it goes...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Do we really need to rehash the whole "almost" head shaving incident? How many years ago was it? There are way more things to discuss about the current season than going over it again & again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Enough already, let's get back to this season...Ok rant over

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee RE: ediblover Dec 3, 2010 01:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's a harmless (relatively) Jackass-style prank when you do it to someone whom you like and you know will take it in stride, perhaps vow to get even, whatever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                When you physically pin down someone you dislike and are not on friendly terms with, it's battery.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mcf RE: cowboyardee Dec 3, 2010 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Exactly. Very well stated. It was a physical assault, not merely prankish.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    karenfinan RE: mcf Dec 3, 2010 03:59 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                          4. re: Parrotgal
                                                                                                                                                                                                            chicgail RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 02:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            He's arrogant, limited in his repertoire, and certainly not the best chef on the show. That being said, I like to look.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Withnail42 RE: Parrotgal Dec 2, 2010 04:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm in that camp as well. His shtick wares thin after a while. "Look at me I'm Italian and I sometimes say funny things because my language skills are 'no' so good.' Okay we get it you're Italian. Move on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              That being said they seemed to play down that part, so far. Which is good because after a while he just started to sound like Manuel from Fawlty towers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Evilbanana11 RE: tofuburrito Dec 3, 2010 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree. I actually liked Fabio during his season, but for some reason he seems changed this time around. Just annoying.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            gastrotect RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I gotta ask: Why the Muppet hate here? I love the Muppets! I'm sure that will be a children's challenge, but I hope they do something fun with the Muppets myself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit RE: gastrotect Dec 2, 2010 08:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love the Muppets as well. But unless it's a kid's challenge or something involving kids, having the Muppets there just doesn't make sense.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              But I'll survive. I survived seeing Pelosi last season. The Muppets will be light-years better than that. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                gastrotect RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 08:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                See, I don't think it even needs to be a kids challenge though. Most of those chefs would have been fans of or at least been aware of Sesame Street and the original Muppet Movie and possibly the show when they were young. The Muppets for them may be nostalgic, so there may not even need to be kids involved. I know I would embrace a Star Wars or Ninja Turtle challenge personally regardless of if kids were involved or not.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                But I'm pretty sure it will be a kids challenge anyway. They always have one of those after all. Or it seems like they do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. RE: gastrotect Dec 3, 2010 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Muppets have their own show. I don't particularly like it when they bring kids into the kitchen either. I guess I don't mind it on TC so much but when Lidia Bastianich brings her three year old grandkids on her show I can't turn it off fast enough. Same for the Muppets. It's mind numbing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                jhopp217 RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 08:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks Linda, I missed it and even though I know I'll catch it, I definitely wanted to know what happened. Thanks for the wrap-up

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 09:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Padma gained weight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fabio needs to buy one size larger when shopping for shirts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The whole TV-camera in the kitchen thing gave the episode a weird psychology-science experiment feel to the show.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Dec 2, 2010 09:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think Padma's baby weight gain has remained in her boobage. Not that that's a bad thing for those men (or women!) who like ogling that. ;-) I do think she looks better now than a few seasons ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ipsedixit RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Lest I forget my manners ... thank you for the recap, Linda.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Dec 2, 2010 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You are quite welcome. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        She does look better -- softer in a good way, and her manner seems to have become softer as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ipsedixit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 07:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Being a mother will do that to you ... being a father as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      attran99 RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 10:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Loved loved LOVED it! So excited to see this season because last season seemed so anti-climatic.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's going to be a fun ride!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jackbauer RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Did nobody mention Richard Blais going over the allotted time when he was foaming his pork belly dish? He seems like an honest and sincere guy and he looked completely stunned when they disqualified him. He had immunity and didn't have to pay that much attention to detail, but I think that simply shows the high degree to which he always cooks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: jackbauer Dec 2, 2010 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I did in my OP. But I agree - I think he was just so focused on plating he didn't hear the beeping timer. He might think it unfair, but if everyone else follows the rules, so must he. (Blais, that is.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser RE: jackbauer Dec 2, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think it was handled well by all--they had to disqualify him because he did go over but they did acknowledge his dish being excellent. He accepted that he had to be disqualified, though it bothered him to lose, and I'm assuming the $10,000 was a big part of it. I think they could have edited it to make him a villain and look like he did it on purpose but they showed that he was surprised by that. I can imagine in a hectic kitchen that you tune into what you're doing and tune out the noise. I feel bad for him but I have the feeling he'll win plenty of challenges before this is all over. I still remember him for giving Stephanie half of his challenge winning because he thought she deserved it. He's a class act.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              John E. RE: chowser Dec 2, 2010 04:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And yet we don't know if hw would have won the 10k since the only person to say he would have won was Dale Talde.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                dach RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 02:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think Blais had the best dish, being that his dish was served same group as Angelo's winner, but both diner comments about Angelo's dish was that it was one of the best/favorite, not straight up naming it the favorite, implying at least 1 stronger dish was out there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lisavf RE: jackbauer Dec 2, 2010 10:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tre definitely said to him (or right next to him), "it's time, it's time" and then Tiffani says, "they have to be ready to go." So either he didn't hear someone call "time" or he didn't hear the others' comments.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                cowboyardee RE: jackbauer Dec 2, 2010 11:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Also of note - according to the blogs, a fellow contestant turned him in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Any speculation as to who it was?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: cowboyardee Dec 2, 2010 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There's a video as well - not sure if there are names named, as I haven't watched as I'm at work, but Blais is "plotting revenge" (I think in jest). :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: jackbauer Dec 2, 2010 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  so here's an issue no one has bothered to address yet...what would have happened to Blais if he *didn't* have immunity? anyone think it would have gotten him sent home? i get the sense they almost would have HAD to send him home, otherwise what's the point of the rules?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  now THAT would have sucked. big time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tofuburrito RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 03:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe they would have just put him in the bottom 3 and mulled over whether his transgression was more offensive than the food the others put out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowser RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I was wondering that, too. But, they have kept contestants who didn't follow the rules before or the challenge, because the food was good enough to overlook the problems.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: chowser Dec 2, 2010 03:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yup. I can't think of one single instance where someone who produced an otherwise excellent dish was sent home solely because of a rule infraction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          centralpadiner RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 04:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm pretty sure that Tom C. mentioned in his blog post that breaking the rules makes you ineligible for the win rather than an automatic elimination.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Of course, that might depend on how you broke the rules . . . Cliff and the incident with Marcel is the obvious example. But that's not related to the cooking, rather to the basic house rules agreement signed by all contestants.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            chowser RE: centralpadiner Dec 3, 2010 03:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, here it is:


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "One doesn’t lose for working past the time-limit; one simply cannot win that challenge."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            i'm having a hard time recalling examples of infractions. forgetting the head-shaving incident because that's a whole different animal, when did someone break the cooking/timing rules in the past?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              aching RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 05:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In TC:JD, there were at least two QuickFire challenges where a contestant didn't finish the challenge (Malika and Yigit) and were disqualified from winning that challenge - but certainly not from the whole competition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: aching
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ruth Lafler RE: aching Dec 3, 2010 06:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                QuickFire challenges aren't elimination challenges, so there's no reason for them to be eliminated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think the person who described it as "cheating" was overstating the issue. It wasn't as if he needed the extra time to finish his dish -- it appeared he was just wrapped up in fussing with the plating that he didn't hear the time warnings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  centralpadiner RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can think of many times in my years as a lurker on this board where long discussions have erupted over cheftestants not following the parameters of a challenge as closely as we the viewers think they should. Whether it is not being as "low salt/fat/sugar" as it should have been, not being enough of a "dessert like" dessert, 'borrowing' ingredients from a fellow cheftestant (which bypasses budget), etc. I think all of these types of things can fall into this type of "not cheating, but not exactly on the up and up" category. In many cases, I truly believe they are found during editing and played up for TV, but were completely unnoticed before judging -- thus the reasons Tom has had to defend their decisions in his blog so often. This incident was reported by a fellow contestant, so they had to look into it. I will not be surprised to see these more experienced contestants not only watching their backs, but watching their fellow chefs very closely this season, and not being afraid to speak up if they feel they were wronged.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: centralpadiner Dec 3, 2010 10:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Exactly. "We the viewers" have a lot of opinions about the way things should or should not be done, based on edited video and dishes we haven't tasted. I occasionally see people claiming "the rules say" when in fact they have no idea what the rules are. The chefs are given "rules" for each challenge, but the penalty for breaking the rules has never been stated. Actually, this is the first time I remember seeing an official statement of what the penalty is for breaking a rule.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The "rule" about physical contact with a fellow contestant is a totally separate issue from the rule of the competition. As people have noted, it's part of the contract they sign, and it's strictly enforced because of liability issues involved with keeping competitors in enforced close quarters 24/7. Roughing up Marcel was fairly trivial when you consider what could happen when you keep a bunch of men and women locked up in the same house for weeks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lisavf RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I may not be correct, but I seem to remember in an early season (1 or 2?) where there was an issue of someone going over the time limit on a QF, and thereafter we heard the "utensils down, hands up!" from Padma. This was not said prior to that incident. Maybe someone else remembers the specifics.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: aching Dec 3, 2010 02:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  thanks - i didn't watch JD and don't recall any instances from the regular TC. but as Ruth pointed out, QFs & ECs are different.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 03:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There were also instances in Top Chef Masters where the chef didn't finish a dish in a quickfire round.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 10:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      well, QF & EC are two different things, as are not completing a dish and continuing to work past the allotted time. but i just finished reading Tom's blog, and he explained that the way they handled the situation is the protocol dictated by the rules. the gist of it:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "One doesn’t lose for working past the time-limit; one simply cannot win that challenge."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            debbiel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 06:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If it was a disqualifying act severe enough to be sent home on the basis of the infraction, not the food, I don't believe immunity would have saved him.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ipsedixit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 2, 2010 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              so here's an issue no one has bothered to address yet...what would have happened to Blais if he *didn't* have immunity? anyone think it would have gotten him sent home? i get the sense they almost would have HAD to send him home, otherwise what's the point of the rules?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's a really good question.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Let's take the reverse situation. What if Blais had continued to work beyond the time limit and his food SUCKED, so that he was called before Judges' Table with the group of losers?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What would have happened then? How would the judges account for the "rules infraction"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I mean, seriously, what's the thought process behind this situation and how should the issue be framed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Something like this ... "Is your terrible food more terrible because you cheated"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Or is the better question, "Should your cheating make your terrible food the most terrible of them all so that Padma gets to say 'please pack up your knives and leave'"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Or maybe this ... "How are you so incompetent that even cheating couldn't save your crappy food?"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: ipsedixit Dec 2, 2010 08:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                actually ipse, that's a great point. anyone else want to tackle this one? would the judges have addressed the infraction differently if Blais had been in the bottom three?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  bigrow RE: ipsedixit Dec 4, 2010 01:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, what about this? You know your dish is going to be terrible - you overcooked your protein, oversalted your sauce...whatever. So, you go over time and you are determined not eligible to win because you went over time. But because you are DQed, you can not be eliminated? You are just not judged? Shouldn't it be if you don't follow the rules you are eliminated? Otherwise, there is a loophole, no? You can mess up your dish, but deliberately break a rule and be safe. In this case, breaking a rule means you DQ yourself from judging and therefore are immune. But shouldn't it be the opposite?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cowboyardee RE: bigrow Dec 4, 2010 04:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't think going over time would make a contestant immune from elimination. It's just not an automatic elimination. In this episode, Richard was safe from elimination because he made a fantastic dish, but not eligible for the win because he wen't over time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    In this case, I don't think the immunity had any effect on his outcome. Had he cooked a worse dish, it might have. And if he didn't have immunity, cooked a bad dish, and went over time, he would likely have gone home. I get the impression that going over time results in a contestant being penalized but only to an extent. That seems reasonable to me, as its a relatively minor infraction.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ChefJune RE: cowboyardee Dec 4, 2010 05:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Richard had immunity because his team won the quickfire. So he could not have been eliminated. However, someone else in the same situation might be, especially if the dish in question was deemed "the worst.?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        cowboyardee RE: ChefJune Dec 4, 2010 06:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not sure I'm following you. Immunity is just what it sounds like: best dish or worst dish, over time or not - you're not going home.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was saying that even if Blais didn't have immunity, he still wouldn't have gone home this episode because his food was good and the judges don't seem to consider going over time by a few seconds a capital offense.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      dmjordan RE: bigrow Dec 4, 2010 04:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I didnt read Tom's blog myself but according to what others have said about it you could not win if you went over the time limit. He didn't say anything about being DQed from the whole judging process or that you couldn't lose. I don't see the loophole.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      huiray RE: ipsedixit Dec 4, 2010 12:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is from another board, i.e. NOT my posits:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "...(four permutations)...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Someone without immunity goes over, their dish isn't tasted at all: I assume they end up at JT in the bottom. I'd assume they'd go home, since the other options at least got their crappy dishes out in time.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Someone with immunity goes over, their dish isn't tasted at all: I assume they end up at JT in the bottom and get a wrist-slap. It would probably color the judges' impression going forward, even though they pretend they don't do cumulative judging.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. Someone without immunity goes over, their dish is tasted: If it's good, I assume they end up at JT in the bottom, get a wrist-slap and then sent back. If it's bad, I assume they end up at JT in the bottom and then possibly get sent home.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      4. Someone with immunity goes over, their dish is tasted: If it's good, they get the Richard Blais wrist-slap and then sent back. If it's bad, they get the Richard Blais wrist-slap but in the bottom group and then sent back."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think they are good posits. http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.c...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sandwich_Sister RE: huiray Dec 4, 2010 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tom mentioned in his blog that going over time doesn't send you home per say but DISQUALIFIES you from winning. In Short form it's DQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you decide to go over time and land in the bottom 3 your ass may be toast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know how it is to be a perfectionist. I also can be one in a different field. I learned in college that I was to have my project up up on the server by 5pm or every hour that past was a 10 percent increasing. 3 hours later and I would have a 70 percent!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I was not happy with my project and decided to work on it more. I turned it in within the hour so the best I could get was a 90 percent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        When it came to critiques my professor made a point to say that this would have been the only A in the class if I would have turned it in on time as is, but because it was an hour late I received a 90 percent which is a B.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That talk still resonates with me today. I learned from it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ediblover RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 10:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  By far my favorite part of the episode was when Dale T was goofing off during the elimination challenge kitchen time since he had immunity. Most of the time we see how a chef, despite (or sometimes because of) having immunity, go all out, but he just cruised to the finish line. Baking and playing around with the nitro? Awesome.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: ediblover Dec 2, 2010 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Angelo asked him "So how did you know when to stop before it blew up?" (or something like that - I think it was about adding the liquid nitro?) and Dale T. looks up and grins and says "I didn't!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Angelo looks at him with an incredulous look on his face and then breaks out laughing - probably thinking "the cojones on this guy!" :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      SDGourmand RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 11:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      yeah that was hilarious.. "He's like I just stopped when it started going crazy"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: SDGourmand Dec 2, 2010 11:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That was it! :-D As I said - cojones. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SeoulQueen RE: LindaWhit Dec 2, 2010 07:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This episode was great! After the boring fiasco of TC Season 7 where I seriously thought I was done with this show, I am again looking forward to watching it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    IMO, the strongest contenders are Richard Blais, Jen and Angelo. Also possibly Marcel and Tre. A few that I think were brought on more because of their big personalities rather than their cooking skills are Fabio, Mike Isabella and Spike.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW, here's how bad Season 7 was - I can't recall the name of the guy who won. I can see his face and I know Ed and Angelo were the other finalists but for the life of me, I don't remember the winner's name, that's how much of an non-impact he made on me.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: SeoulQueen Dec 2, 2010 07:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      wow. i read your post and then realized that *i* couldn't remember to save my life either! i eventually got a mental picture of him, but i had to do a web search and look up his name! it was Kevin. i NEVER would have gotten that one without help from Google. S7 really did suck.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ruth Lafler RE: SeoulQueen Dec 2, 2010 08:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'd have to disagree about Jen -- she may be a skilled chef, but she's not a good competitor. Angelo ... I'm not sure how good he really is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 2, 2010 08:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i agree about Jen - she talks a good game in the confessionals/interview clips, but it was clear by the end of her season that she's not the greatest under pressure...and her performance in this latest challenge didn't lead me to believe things have changed. as for Angelo, i didn't like him last season, and i still don't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i'm pulling for a Blais/Tre finale, but i wouldn't be surprised to see Tiffani Faison go very far in this thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 04:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            However.....I do think Jen will have learned from her season and might have figured out a way to work through the pressure tank atmosphere. We'll have to see.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also think Tiffani Faison and Richard Blais will be contendahs - HOWEVER, in interviews prior to the season's start, I do recall Tom C. saying (I think it was an interview with him) that there will be some surprising eliminations that the audience is going to howl about. Rut-roh!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              NellyNel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 06:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I thought it was odd when she was saying after her season, how she felt like she came across as confident, and capable and whatever else she said..
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Maybe she was when she was actually cooking, but recall her being filled with self doubt, and hesitance in the interveiw clips, and IMO, this was her downfall

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              chowser RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 03:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was thinking that, too. I'd love to see her pull it out, would put her in the top of chef's foods I'd like to eat but not sure she's consistent as a competitor. I think it's Richard Blais's to lose.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              goodhealthgourmet RE: SeoulQueen Dec 3, 2010 10:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              @SeoulQueen, i just had to share this comment someone posted on Tom's blog:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I agree with the person who pointed out that last season Angelo was not eliminated for making a bad dish; he made it to the finals where every dish was excellent but only one could win; and that turned out to be Kenny. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Kenny? apparently we're not the only ones with memory issues regarding last season!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ChefJune RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 4, 2010 05:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "I agree with the person who pointed out that last season Angelo was not eliminated for making a bad dish; he made it to the finals where every dish was excellent but only one could win; and that turned out to be Kenny. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                HUH? 8-( sorry folks, all Black people don't look alike. The winner was Kevin Sbraga.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: ChefJune Dec 4, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  i know, sad isn't it? though it does drive home the point SQ & i were making, which is that last season was utterly forgettable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ChefJune RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 5, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I enjoyed last season, and would not have characterized it as "unforgettable" at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mcf RE: ChefJune Dec 5, 2010 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I enjoyed last season, but I didn't think it had the memorable creative firepower of previous years, especially the season just before it. BTW, I think the confusion between Kenny and Kevin has more to do with the similarity in the sounds of the names and how forgettable the season was than it does with race.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I couldn't have named the final two from last year if asked to, but I sure remember the Voltaggios and Kevin from the season before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mariacarmen RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 5, 2010 06:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i agree, GHG. i really couldn't wait for last season to be over with. except Tiffany, and I'm glad she's back.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mcf RE: mariacarmen Dec 6, 2010 05:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I loved Tiffany, too. Was glad she got to walk off with so much in cash and prizes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Joanie RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 04:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So my toughts on TC in the "am I the only one" vein:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Am I the only one who can't stand Jen? I never get why everyone wants her to win and thinks she's the best. She's a decent chef but we saw her lose it the season she was on and there's just something about her that rubs me the wrong way. I hate the way she talks, I don't care for her confidence, she pisses me off. And I'm probably the only one who doesn't mind Marcel, Mike, et al. There was actually no one I was wishing would go home but assumed it'd be Elia (who looked beautiful) cuz the dish just seemed lame. And yeah, Mike has packed on the pounds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Seeing Tony Bourdain brought a smile to my face.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jackbauer RE: Joanie Dec 3, 2010 05:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree 100% about Jen. Her face looks like its been frozen in time exactly 1 nanosecond after sucking on the world's biggest lemon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    C. Hamster RE: jackbauer Dec 3, 2010 06:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    OMG.... Now that can breath after laffing my ass off....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'll say you are so right!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: jackbauer Dec 3, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ha! that's perfect :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. NellyNel RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 07:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for the re-cap Linda!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I missed it Wed, nights and all day yesterday I was so tempted to have a peek at your post, but I waited until I saw the episode!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Just some random thoughts -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Allot of comments about Marcel still being a jerk, but I didn't observe too much jerkiness from him
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I Hated Elia before, and I thought she was even worse last night!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I recently watched the Thanksgiving episode from season 2, and she was so adamant that the judges had picked a "disgusting" dish that won the quickfire. She was furious, and questioned Tom as to why he picked it because she spit it out it was so bad. She was absolutely convinced that Tom and Padma were wrong.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This stubborn attitude is why she lost this time. she actually said "the flavors are fine, they do not need to be changed."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    UGH! i really couldnt stand her - and I THANK GOD she's gone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I also can't stand Antonia, and I dont remember her being anything special.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I found it funny how she was criticizing someones food, and when someones else food was being citicized she was "shocked" and said "Thats harsh!"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last time, Jamie didnt bother me until Le Bernardin, when she was acting like a bored, spoiled brat. Last night she came across as obnoxiously arrogant. "I feel I am a better chef than my team-mates...." I think her ego has been swelled by the TC experience. This may help or hurt her chances, but if she stays for the duration, I personally will be put off.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The tone in her voice drive me nuts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mike I, too didnt bother me so much his season, but he was really putting other people down left and right, and came across as arrogant and whiny. I hope he goes soon too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought Richard (who I loved) came across as tired, weary and much more serious, as did Fabio. :(
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I hope Richard snaps out of it, and starts enjoying himself more...I think I'm rooting for him to take it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like Dale (dark haired Dale) and I hope he does well, and Tiffany (not season 1 T)..

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am so excited for this. It's going to be great - I loved the elimination challenge, I thought it was a great idea. I'm also looking forward to them cooking against Tom!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    can't wait!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lizzy RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I just read an interesting interview with Elia and Tom so I thought I would post. Warning: possible spoilers.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        a213b RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Really interesting read ... makes Elia seem truly whiny and bratty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And for those who care, I really didn't see anything spoiler'ish in the link, FYI ...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lizzy RE: a213b Dec 3, 2010 07:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It really made me laugh because she said she had matured, but she apparently found someone else to blame besides herself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought her comments about Jen C. could potentially be spoilerish.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            goodhealthgourmet RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 08:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            lizzy, i think you & i drew the saw conclusion from her comment about Jen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            as for what she said about Tom C, she MUST be kidding. who the hell does she think she is to bash him like that? grow up, and get over yourself. ugh.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            you can be sure that *if* she does open "Avec Moi" here in LA, she won't be getting my business.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              NellyNel RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What? WHAT??
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What does she say about Jen and Tom???

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I can't read it because that site is blocked from my computer (I'm at work)!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              She always seemed to have this "I know all attitude"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lizzy RE: NellyNel Dec 3, 2010 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Well she still has the attitude. The gist of the post elimination interview with Elia is her elimination is Tom's fault. Also, Tom is a sellout and hypocrite for doing a Diet Coke commercial. He also has changed since her season, and not for the better according to her, he used to be all about organic and now he's not and his chefs don't enjoy working for him like they used to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for the comment about Jen, I'm going to leave that alone because I think there are future spoiler implications and I don't want to ruin it for anyone who isn't into spoilers. Having said that, the article is really worth it so you might want to give it a read when you are at home.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 10:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow. She's really more stupid than I thought she might have been re: her comments about Tom (haven't read the interview yet).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ETA: I read the interview...dayam....dumb, dumb, dumb. And you can see by Tom's reply interview he's also not impressed with her comments. Granted, they were about him, but he's right - she really should get her facts straight before she spouts off in the national media about which something she doesn't really know (his business practice).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    goodhealthgourmet RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 03:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "And you can see by Tom's reply interview he's also not impressed with her comments. "
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    two of my favorite comments in Colicchio's response:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "So, anytime she wants to stand by the back door when the truck comes in from the farmers market and help unload it, she's more than welcome to do it. "

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "I buy more produce from farmers markets than Elia has seen in her life in the course of a month."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    [though his sentence structure there could use some work!]

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 03:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You noted the very same things I picked up in Tom's brief interview. :-) I'm thinking Elia might regret some of what she said down the road.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But the fact that TC-AS was filmed SIX months ago and she's STILL upset about being voted off first? Lordy, girl - get OVER it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        lizzy RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 4, 2010 07:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I also picked up on those two statements, and for the record I would love to see it happen. I can see it now, she helps to unload the truck, which is much bigger than she expected. Just as she finishes,Tom shows up with a Diet Coke in his hand and says "I told you so."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: lizzy Dec 4, 2010 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "Just as she finishes,Tom shows up with a Diet Coke in his hand and says "I told you so.""

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ChefJune RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 5, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ROTFL! ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lizzy RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 09:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I cannot believe she would talk about Tom like that in the press. I really have a hard time figuring out what goes on in someone's head while they bash a highly respected person in their chosen field to the national media. I completely agree that she needs to grow up and get over herself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ruth Lafler RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ITA. Immature and stupid to boot. The one single thing you can do to make yourself a "winner" on a career-related reality show like Top Chef is to make a good impression on all the important people you meet who can have a positive influence on your career. Only one person can win the competition, but as people like Leeanne Wong and Fabio have demonstrated, you can do almost as well -- or maybe even better -- by being likable and easy to work with.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lizzy RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 3, 2010 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This was exactly what I was thinking. It is possible to make a name for yourself even if you weren't the winner. In one of Gail's blogs, she now has one at Entertainment Weekly in addition to her blog at Bravo for anyone who is interested, she mentions how the chef world really is a small community. I can't help but think Elia really shot herself in the foot. Since Elia has matured so much since her season, her words definitely not mine, I wonder what she is going to think of her statements 5 years down the road.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JonDough RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 10:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      She probably did TC All Stars to get free publicity for the opening of her new restaurant. After her performance on the show and this interview I would say that she failed to get positive publicity. Her interview turned me from having a neutral view of her to negative.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        chowser RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, especially since she talked about, on this episode, how she wanted to show everyone how much she has grown and matured. She's shown how ignorant and immature she is.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        a213b RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 3, 2010 10:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ahhh ... it literally took me reading it 3 or 4 times before I picked up on what I believe you two might be thinking. I guess it could be spoiler'ish, but I don't put too much stock into it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Regardless, I was QUITE happy to see Elia go. Any of the three deserved it, but regardless of what Tom says, having worked in this industry (television) for years I can assure you producers always want the most compelling personalities to sick around as long as they can legitimately be kept.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Essentially tie goes to the "character" who is more compelling and/or has the better story arc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth Lafler RE: a213b Dec 3, 2010 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wouldn't have thought of that comment as being spoilerish until someone had suggested it. But yeah.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            John E. RE: a213b Dec 3, 2010 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do you think there are unseen producers reminding Tom of this (contestants to keep when all things are close) at judge's table?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              a213b RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 11:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not during filming, but when there are breaks I know the producers and judges talk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              To be clear, I am not AT ALL trying to suggest producers tell the judges who to save and whom to eliminate ... at least certainly not explicitly. Being a game-show there are specific legalities to which the producers must adhere.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lizzy RE: a213b Dec 3, 2010 12:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's funny, I picked it up the first time I read it, it's amazing how people can react differently to the same thing. You're also right, Elia doesn't come out and say anything, and only time will tell if what I inferred was correct, but I wanted to put a warning on it just in case.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                a213b RE: lizzy Dec 3, 2010 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh of course that makes perfect sense. And I'd always err on the side of cautioning others lest they feel something's been spoiled.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for finding it -- 'twas an interesting read to say the least!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                goodhealthgourmet RE: a213b Dec 3, 2010 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                i went back & re-read it, and i realized there's quite a bit of spoiler potential in there so yes, i'm trying not to put too much stock in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ruth Lafler RE: lizzy Dec 9, 2010 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Good job picking up that spoiler!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 9, 2010 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yup, you were right, lizzy. Still kind of amazed that you *are* right, however!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  lizzy RE: LindaWhit Dec 9, 2010 10:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Me too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            huiray RE: lizzy Dec 4, 2010 12:16 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. JuniorBalloon RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 07:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Tony was the most disappointing part of the show. He went overboard on Fabio and Stephen. He belittled them so he could be the center of attention and get a cheap laugh. I am a Tony fan, but that was cheap. If he'd said what was in his blog post about having eaten a lot of great, simple pasta and that this pasta was bad and made him cranky and that he exxpected a lot more from Fabio, that I could respect. But apparently he needed to up his quota of bleeps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            He was obviously caught off gaurd by Fabio's come back at judges table and realized that he was mocking another hard working chef, one of his own people, amazingly even Tony has feelings. I hope he doesn't snark his way through this season. Only the clueless should be mocked. They need it. I didn't see any clueless chefs in this episode.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              gfweb1 RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 3, 2010 07:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              AB was plastered. LOL Look at his TC blog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JuniorBalloon RE: gfweb1 Dec 3, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I read the blog. I don't think it's an excuse for boordain behavior.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bellachefa RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 4, 2010 07:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  He was a dick. Drinking is no excuse. Drunk people tend to be brutally honest. He knew he needed to address his pompous dickheadness and gin had nothing to do with it. I do like him alot, he just went too far. He seems to be going thru a midlife crisis that he needs to steal the spotlight. Hence the often times shctick about his friend Eric and acting like he's the most important person on a panel. I think he should be put into timeout. Be clubbed at the legs and left to lie about and see what made him a sensation. What he is doing on his show is fine, but these guest appearances make my fantasies dim to a vow of celibacy and a chastity belt. Get him off!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: Bellachefa Dec 4, 2010 11:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bourdain's going through a midlife crisis in which he needs to steal the spotlight? Really? ::::snort::::: I'm thinking that's one LONG midlife crisis then, as he's been in the spotlight for 10+ years.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    And if you "like him alot" and said what needs to happen to Bourdain due to his pompous dickheadedness, I'd be afraid of what you'd do to people you DON'T like!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Again, Bourdain criticized the dish. He had valid criticisms. The plate looked like crap and was very unappetizing. If Fabio took it personally, that's his problem. Hell, Bourdain LIKES Fabio! He said "To the extent that you can like anyone you know only from TV, I like Fabio. And I liked how he stood up for himself and gave some back at Judges' Table. If I were an employer looking to hire a chef from the among the All Stars, I'd think very seriously about Fabio. He's smart, likable, steady, level-headed in a crisis, and hence not easily flustered." High praise indeed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But his dish sucked. And AB said so. Even Tom C. acknowledged that while AB can get hyperbolic, he was mostly right about the dish - poor presentation and it didn't taste great. Of all people, Fabio *should* be able to come up with a presentable pasta dish, and that is part of what so disappointed Bourdain.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Joanie RE: gfweb1 Dec 3, 2010 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Were they really drinking G&T that nite or was that a general comment? And even then, I'm not sure I believe they do that, at least all the time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit RE: Joanie Dec 3, 2010 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Judges Table can run for hours - there have been previous comments about the judges drinking alcohol while they deliberate (while those in the Stew Room are also getting stewed).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As to whether he was plastered - perhaps not, as he was coherent. But the judges drinking alcohol has come up before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  John E. RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 4, 2010 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What we don't know is what TB said that didn't make the final cut. I'm not a big fan of his (don't watch his show much) but TC basically brought him on board to make outrageous comments like he has done in the past.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sandwich_Sister RE: John E. Dec 4, 2010 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    man there has been a lot of Tony hating lately. What is with that. The man has made a living on being snarky, he's not going to dial it back now to spare some contestants feelings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Everyone thought Wolfgang puck was funny when he insulted some of the contestants food, throwing a doughnut off the table calling it a hockey puck. Making fun of purees calling it baby food, and poking fun at an ill fated saitan chile relleno that Jen Z had created. Saying that if she made that at home no one would have want to come over as a dinner guest.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    While Tony is harsh he did let Fabio know what he thought was wrong with the dish and did offer a few ideas to help improve upon it. Get rid of the paper, and the fried basil, serve it as comfort food, make it a little more dainty and not so heavy. etc. Which IS constructive criticism.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fabio wears his heart on his sleeve but also has a bit of a temper. I think what he meant to say is don't piss me off by saying you hate the dish, just tell me what you think I can do to improve it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I thought the paper was very odd myself. It reminded me of the time I was in college and didn't have plates but had made spaghetti. I had those wafer thin cheapo paper places so I said, ehh I'll use that. Before I got done I had eaten the paper too. there was a whole in the middle of my plate. Moral of the story sauce and paper just don't work well together.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      huiray RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 4, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "I thought the paper was very odd myself."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Although not exactly what Fabio appears to have done, pasta on parchment paper is a well-known technique in Italian cuisine. Usually the pasta and sauce/components are cooked wrapped in parchment and then served as a 'package' that is opened at table. Just google 'pasta on parchment'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: huiray Dec 4, 2010 12:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Except.....that's NOT how Fabio presented it. The piece of parchment paper was laid on a plate, and the pasta spooned on top of the parchment with fried basil leaves on top of that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think it if looked like any of these, presented as a "package" as you suggested, they actually might have been OK with the presentation.




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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JuniorBalloon RE: LindaWhit Dec 4, 2010 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fabio's dish was terrible. I just didn't like the relish Tony took in bashing him. Was it neccesary to say it tasted like shit 11 times? (this is according to Fabio as I think we only heard 3 of them)


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: huiray Dec 4, 2010 04:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          when they were all sitting in the stew room, Fabio said something about how when you put a dish of food in the oven and it gets hot, the sauce splatters all over the sides & makes a mess...and for some reason he thinks putting the paper there makes it look more presentable. i found the whole explanation to be rather bizarre.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ediblover RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 5, 2010 06:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I like Fabio, but I think he overreacted. Constructive criticism is great, if you're addressing the person. But, Tony made those comments at the table and they were made mainly for the cameras and the company (make some jokes). In addition, Top Chef has never been about nurturing the chef; it's about the game and the only way you get any sort of feedback is to be on the top or the bottom.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "It's not personal, it's TV."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ruth Lafler RE: ediblover Dec 5, 2010 07:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's true -- I hadn't thought about it that way. I did think it was a little unfair that the first group didn't know their comments were being heard by their fellow contestants and the second group did. The group that did know they were being watched did seem much more restrained and circumspect in their comments.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              susancinsf RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 5, 2010 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There was a very subtle hint about it though...when Padma (or was it Tom?) explained what they'd be doing,( ie kitchen small, so you are divided into groups, take turns cooking and eating each other's cooking) the comment was made by whoever introduced it, 'so if you wish you can talk about your competitor's food....or not.' I do remember thinking at the time, 'hmm...wonder what that 'or not' means.' Granted, I am a suspicious sort, but this bunch has been on TC before and should be suspicious. There is always a twist. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the first group picked up on it and were more restrained than others.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit RE: susancinsf Dec 5, 2010 11:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                AND it's not the first time in Top Chef history where they've been able to watch others judge their food. Perhaps if they don't watch the show, they wouldn't be aware of it, but if the seated group is tasting the food that the cooking group is making, it is quite logical that opinions will be asked.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Bellachefa RE: LindaWhit Dec 5, 2010 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think Fabio was playing to the camera's just as much as AB was.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    cowboyardee RE: Bellachefa Dec 5, 2010 01:11 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not that I hold it against him, or anything, and I'm sure there was an element of truth to his protests. But I think Fabio is a pretty savvy guy on camera, just like Bourdain. AB got to show off his famous snark and wit and Fabio got to defend himself, garner sympathy from fans, and earn some extra air time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: Bellachefa Dec 5, 2010 04:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Right. So you can't put the blame on AB alone. Fabio cooked a crappy dish. Plain and simple. He didn't like what AB said about the dish, and spoke up. Plain and simple.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JuniorBalloon RE: LindaWhit Dec 6, 2010 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I blame Fabio for making a crappy dish. I blame Tony for being tool about it. Tom C is as hard on the contestants as any one. I really like that he doesn't pull punches. You can hold someone accountable and take them to task, but you don't have to belittle them. Especially when you're just trying get laughs.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          karenfinan RE: JuniorBalloon Dec 7, 2010 03:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          yes, this is exactly what I was trying to say, that is well put.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      John E. RE: LindaWhit Dec 5, 2010 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I know they did it in TC 5. I remember the blond with the straight bangs made some kind of fish taco and they called it catfood while she watched from the kitchen with her group.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          burgeoningfoodie RE: LindaWhit Dec 3, 2010 10:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well anything has to be better than last TC or TCJD.. right? I'm not sure I've been seeing the ego of Marcel just yet. I actually liked the past seasons Tiffani (Tiffany.. whatever). I've been curious to see how the egos of Marcel, Angelo and maybe a few others are going to either create tension or groups. Ego is fine to a degree and if you can back it up (i.e. Hung though he grated my nerves). I also don't see a need for Muppets or Jimmy Fallon or really any of the other celebs the bring in. I'm fine with cooking for a benefit or restaurant wars and such.. I mean I do think it is entertaining, but what I look forward to are the relay races and well Fabio's comments. Speaking of Fabio, where is the fun loving guy. This season he looks so greasy and tired. Richard Blaise always looks tired or like he wants to fall asleep. Jaime (Top Scallop) seems to have developed an ego this time around. I like Carla as far as personality she just seems the most balanced. We shall see what the coming weeks bring us. If they are in NY, maybe they should cook for SNL... how about the members of 30 rock. I did like the last meal challenge that I think Fabio won when he cooked for Bastianich. I mean it's NY you have no shortage of caliber outposts or diverse cuisine (not speaking comparatively to the other locations)... Helll have them cook on the Intrepid.. have them do something with the ever growing food truck scene going on there. Have a NY Pizza challenge just for fun.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joanie RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 3, 2010 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I would LOVE the cast of 30 Rock on Top Chef.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ediblover RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 3, 2010 12:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think the fun Fabio was frozen by seeing Marcel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I sort of expect the egos to be a wash. Angelo was one of the more experienced chefs in D.C., but he's behind the others now. No one in this group is going to take advice from him since they're confident and will stick to their food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'd love to see a pizza quickfire. Spike better win that one!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                John E. RE: ediblover Dec 3, 2010 07:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I think they did a pizza challenge in an early season in an early episode. I wish Bravo would rerun the early seasons of TC in their entirety (say seasons 1 - 4).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: John E. Dec 3, 2010 07:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  the first QF in Chicago (S4) was a deep-dish pizza challenge.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    AMFM RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 4, 2010 05:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    and someone made a peach one that sounded great. no idea why i suddenly remember that this morning.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      momjamin RE: AMFM Dec 4, 2010 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That's the only one I remember, and I'm thinking it was Blais, using peaches and sweet tea, as a nod to his Georgia home.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        AMFM RE: momjamin Dec 4, 2010 08:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        indeed. i actually went and looked it up. may try it some time! :)


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bellachefa RE: LindaWhit Dec 4, 2010 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I am late to this thread. With all that has been said, I would like to add, I love the choices of competitors on this show.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I breathed a deep sigh of relief that LISA wasn't participating. She is the one and ONLY contestant that made me change the channel. The only other time I simply refused to watch was that pathetic little weasel that was on the Dessert program.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There is not a single cast member on this show that I don't want to watch. Elia was the first to whine. Whoever whines first should be voted off the island immediately.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I hope Fabio got his cojones, rightfully in a bunch, and will mellow and enjoy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              And as far as Marcel - the poor dear is still trying to be an extra on a BMovie playing the Joker.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thrilled to see that complete wackadoodle Carla back. She is a refreshing and kind nutcase!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                mcf RE: Bellachefa Dec 4, 2010 08:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I must've blocked her out, because I can't remember her at all, even after looking her up with a pic and all...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mariacarmen RE: mcf Dec 4, 2010 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  who, carla or lisa? i can't remember Lisa....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mcf RE: mariacarmen Dec 4, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can't remember Lisa. I have Carla reflex; every time she shows up on the screen, I utter an involuntary "hootie hoo!"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: mcf Dec 4, 2010 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LOL! i do the same thing. i just can't help myself :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, Lisa was sullen, bitchy & defensive with a permanent scowl, and always stood at JT with her arms folded in front of her chest.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mcf RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 5, 2010 06:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL re: Carla reflex. See below wrt Lisa... remember the comportment, not the contestant... bleah.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mamachef RE: mariacarmen Dec 5, 2010 03:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Think about it, mc. Bad temperament, short spiked hair, pierced face, bad temperament, and did I mention bad temperament?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mcf RE: mamachef Dec 5, 2010 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes, GHG and mamachef, as soon as someone mentioned the crossed arms and permanent scowl, I knew exactly who she was. I'd squeegeed her out of my memory for good reasons, thinks moi. :-) I used to want to just smack her arms down from her chest, they were practically up to her chin.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chicgail RE: mcf Dec 5, 2010 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ah yes, an angry young woman she was, that Lisa.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            StewieBoy RE: mcf Dec 6, 2010 08:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have always wondered about the vitriolic hatred sent Lisa’s way. If you go back and watch that season, the problem began when, early in the season, Dale got up in her face about how much he disliked her attitude. He was both loud and hostile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            She pretty much told him, in conversational tones, to get lost. You know, sort of the way most of us would deal with somebody who was a little out of control.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            After that Dale went out of his way to both provoke and attack Lisa. She may not be the most likable character but Dale was the one who was starting the fights and biting her ankles.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            After being stuck in that situation for over a month, under the pressure of competition AND living in a group house, I imagine I would have been pretty surly by the end, too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              tofuburrito RE: StewieBoy Dec 6, 2010 08:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've always thought the Lisa haters were a bit over the top. She may not have wowed too often during the season but she did quite well in the finale.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                chicgail RE: StewieBoy Dec 6, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't know about "hatred sent Lisa's way," but I think what people are responding to (at least I am) is not a confrontation with Dale or anyone else. What struck me was the attitude she regularly struck at JT, the hard look on her face, the arms folded (defiantly?) across her chest. For me, she was just someone I wouldn't want to meet in a dark alley -- or share a social drink with.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: chicgail Dec 6, 2010 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Caitlin McGrath RE: chicgail Dec 6, 2010 11:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The judges even talked about her attitude and body language at JT, IIRC, so it wasn't just viewers reacting to her, or a consequence of editing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      a213b RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 6, 2010 12:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes! She was so defensive in her posture, arms always crossed, weight back on her heels, scowl on her face.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      She may be a very lovely person outside of the show, I don't know, but on TC she radiated prickly, surly defensiveness at every JT.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sandwich_Sister RE: a213b Dec 6, 2010 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I do believe Anthony Bourdain talked about her in a blog post during that season. He actually gave her some credit and spoke about all the hatred toward her.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        She's a good cook maybe she got lucky and ended up where she ended up because of that. But it doesn't discredit her cooking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've seen her on a few segments. Once with Spike on the Today show. she was smiley and very likable. It was like seeing a completely different person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Stress and competitions can sometimes bring out the worst in people. Maybe that was the problem.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          goodhealthgourmet RE: Sandwich_Sister Dec 6, 2010 04:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "I've seen her on a few segments. Once with Spike on the Today show. she was smiley and very likable. It was like seeing a completely different person."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i never saw her interviewed on TV, but did you ever listen to this CH exit interview?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i couldn't remember what i thought of it the first time around so i just listened again - she sounds a little nicer (and obviously more relaxed!) than she did on the show, but i didn't really buy her explanation that her posture & demeanor were due only to fatigue, or that the editing was solely to blame for the way she came across.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sandwich_Sister RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 7, 2010 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            yeah that wasn't fatigue or editing she was just stressed and trying to defend her food and not realizing how her body language came off.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mamachef RE: Caitlin McGrath Dec 7, 2010 09:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        She just had a bad case of bad'ittude at the low points. And she wasn't receptive, which is what crossed arms indicate.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit RE: mamachef Dec 7, 2010 09:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think she had a bad case of bad'ittude (like that!) more than just at the low points, mamachef. The scowls were much more frequent than any smiles from Lisa.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mcf RE: LindaWhit Dec 7, 2010 03:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Some folks deal with their anxiety by clenching their faces, emotions and bodies like fists. I think Lisa may be one of them. Reading an interview with her, I really liked what she had to say, but I couldn't stand watching her as a competitor.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sandwich_Sister RE: mcf Dec 7, 2010 03:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ahhh that is what I've been thinking as well, just couldn't find the words to express it like you did. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ediblover RE: mcf Dec 4, 2010 08:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Without looking it up, I think Lisa was the extremely defensive one that always seemed to cross her arms and have a mean look when she was at an elimination. She didn't hesitate to place blame and got into a lot of arguments. Her food leaned towards Asian and she made it to the final round.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                chicgail RE: ediblover Dec 4, 2010 10:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's Lisa all right. The hard pout. The folded arms. The unfounded arrogance about her own food. She couldn't hold a candle to either Richard or Stephanie in that final.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit RE: chicgail Dec 4, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  She couldn't hold a candle to either Richard or Stephanie in that final.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  From our viewpoint. Not that I'd EVER defend Lisa Fernandez, but her food seemed to do OK by the judges to get her *into* the finale at least. I still find it amusing to think she thinks she was second to Stephanie, however.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But I agree - her posture and glare at the judges was one where I'd say to the TV "What ARE you thinking? You're essentially telling them to Eff off!"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mcf RE: ediblover Dec 4, 2010 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, I so remember that posture and insolent glare. What a wretch. I doubt she has a single fan.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    mariacarmen RE: ediblover Dec 4, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i just looked her up. yeah, she was pretty dour alright.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    i'm trying to remember, what were the names of the lesbian couple? the one that got booted out first was kind of surly, but the one left behind i think hung in there for awhile, right? i tried doing a search but i can't find them...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mcf RE: mariacarmen Dec 4, 2010 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Here ga go: http://www.afterellen.com/TV/2008/3/l...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Bellachefa RE: mcf Dec 4, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        eeeeeeeeks why'd I open that link, I knew where it was leading. skanky

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          mariacarmen RE: mcf Dec 4, 2010 09:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          yeah, that's them! i really liked Jennifer Biesty. thanks MCF.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    John E. RE: Bellachefa Dec 4, 2010 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "...pathetic little weasel on that dessert program...". You're going to have to be more specific than that. ; )

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      burgeoningfoodie RE: Bellachefa Dec 6, 2010 07:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Lisa was Lisa Fernandez. She was a mopy sad sack who some how made it to the final four (or 3) and basically sucked the life out of the whole show. She was a Top Chef Succubus.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        John E. RE: burgeoningfoodie Dec 6, 2010 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think you need to re-visit the definition of 'succubus'. Lisa Is about as far from that as a woman can get.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          chicgail RE: John E. Dec 6, 2010 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Good point.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          From Wikipedia:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "In folklore traced back to medieval legend, a succubus (plural succubi) is a female demon who takes the form of a human woman in order to seduce men, usually through sexual intercourse."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jujuthomas RE: LindaWhit Dec 4, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      oh my goodness! 312 replies already! :)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I just watched the episode last night and I'm so looking forward to the rest of this season! What fun!!!!