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villager21 Nov 21, 2010 04:19 PM

Does anyone know the dress code for men at Marea?

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  1. sgordon Nov 22, 2010 09:00 AM

    "Smart Casual" - which basically means none. Don't show up in pajamas with a lampshade on your head, and I imagine you'll be fine.

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      selenster Nov 22, 2010 09:22 AM

      my friend showed up for lunch looking like a dirty hipster and i looked like a gothic princess but nobody batted an eye when we arrived. service was a little, er, lacking that time though. subsequent visits, where i made an effort to not look like a total jerk, yielded far better results (and one free wine refill!).

      so basically, what sgordon said below.

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        Hey19 Nov 22, 2010 03:03 PM

        Is there any restaurant that has an actual dress code? Le Grenoulle (sp?) 21 club? besides that, I mean, you prob dont want to wear your jets jersey, no matter how awesome that win was on sunday. As long as you have a shirt and shoes on, you wont get kicked out, but if you dont want to really stand out, I would tuck your shirt in and possibly throw on a sport coat. I would say that pretty much goes for any restaurant you are going to spend 150 a head at., no?

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          selenster Nov 23, 2010 05:24 AM

          when le bernardin calls to confirm your reservation, the person on the phone stresses "and gentlemen are required to wear jackets."

          my friend was going to show up wearing a mismatched plaid blazer and some striped pants just to be silly but instead went conventional and looked like a handsome, cleaned up michael cera in a black suit.

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            r0cc00 Nov 23, 2010 06:16 AM

            As a man who wants to always be dressed for what the occasion calls for, it always has confused me what to wear when they say 'jacket required.'

            In other words, I have plenty of blazers but those can also be matched with nice dark jeans or in winter, chords.
            At night this gives you a modern urbane style in lieu of the traditional slack+blazer combo.

            So I guess my question: is this appropriate for these $150+/head places?

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              selenster Nov 23, 2010 06:19 AM

              i think a smart blazer + dark nice jeans or cords will do just fine. and you should take my word as expert advice since i worked for barneys in college and would never steer you wrong sartorially :)

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                r0cc00 Nov 23, 2010 06:33 AM

                Credentials noted & so is advice! :)

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                koko85 Dec 2, 2010 09:31 AM

                I second that thought...its very confusing when it simply says 'jacket required' for a man. outside of Per Se and Le Bernardin i typically always go with the dark jeans and blazer look - usually even a nice button untucked works with the jacket....

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                  gutsofsteel Dec 2, 2010 09:38 AM

                  It all depends if you want to look like a well dressed adult or a sloppy teenager. Well dressed adults, if a jacket is required, wear a nice jacket, nice pants, and a decent button down shirt tucked in with a belt. You certainly don't *have* to, but that's what is appropriate.

                  Why do so many people seem determined to push the limit of "how sloppy can I get away with and not get kicked out?" What's the problem with looking nice for a nice restaurant?

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                    thew Dec 2, 2010 10:13 AM

                    there is a lot of ground in between well dressed adult and sloppy teenager - it's a false dichotomy to pretend those are the only options.

                    appropriate and nice are value laden words without a hard definition. who gets to choose whose definition we use?

                    how about nice pants, nice jacket, and designer quality non-button shirt? is that ok? can i leave off the belt? are boots ok? dress boots? work boots? cowboy boots? collarless shirts? collarless jackets? designer jeans? socks required? etcetcetcetcetc

                    i assure you that my enjoyment of a meal in a nice place is not dependent in any way shape or form by what someone at some other table is wearing.

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                      gutsofsteel Dec 2, 2010 11:26 AM

                      "i assure you that my enjoyment of a meal in a nice place is not dependent in any way shape or form by what someone at some other table is wearing."

                      I completely disagree. I think the ambience is definitely affected by the appearance of the collective.

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                        Bob Martinez Dec 2, 2010 01:00 PM

                        Some things never get old. :-)

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                          r0cc00 Dec 2, 2010 01:59 PM

                          Except the crowd that seems to not have moved out of the 50's with their dining fashion rules.

                          If one lets a personal meal get ruined based on fashion, then that's one's own complex.

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                          thew Dec 2, 2010 01:16 PM

                          i know you disagree. that is why i clearly said "me"

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                        Phil Ogelos Dec 2, 2010 02:04 PM

                        I have to side with gos on this one; what people are wearing at an adjacent table does affect me, as much as does the volume of their conversation and their use of cell phones there.
                        The sense of decorum in public spaces is all but shot to hell these days, but that shouldn't mean we consign it to the dustbin. Really, "jacket required" is simply a code which demands that the client makes an effort to be presentable -as gos implies- something that's immediately evident and not primordially 'value laden'.

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                          thew Dec 3, 2010 03:50 AM

                          but you must admit there is a lot of wiggle room in what is presentable. nice jeans are more presentable than stained dress slacks, no?

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                            gutsofsteel Dec 3, 2010 03:56 AM

                            I am of the opinion, no matter how un-trendy at the moment, that jeans are jeans and do not belong in an upscale restaurant. Nor do stained dress slacks. It's not a choice of which is better or worse.

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                              erica Dec 3, 2010 07:47 AM

                              I refrained from commenting earlier but since this thread is ongoing, I will register my opinion: Jeans do not belong at Marea, nor at dinnertime at any other Manhattan "fine dining" venue. I had a fabulous dinner at Marea a few weeks ago and could not help but notice that the restaurant seems to have caught on with a lot of people that, for lack of a better descriptor, I will call Wall Street types. Very loud groups of guys, sloppily dressed, tucking into big steaks (yes, at Marea), thronging the entrance after dinner awaiting their black cars... This type of diner does detract from the overall experience. For me. Hope I did not offend anyone!

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                                thew Dec 3, 2010 09:05 AM

                                was it their pants, or their loudness that bothered you? i suspect that a group of well groomed guys in the latest armani suits, eating the dishes marea is known for, would have bothered you as much, had they been loud and unruly. and likewise i doubt you would have been so perturbed by a quiet group of people in jeans

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                                  erica Dec 3, 2010 09:45 AM

                                  You are correct. But I still do not think that jeans are appropriate for Marea at night. (Although I admit that a well-groomed guy in dark, well-fitting jeans with a good blazer and beautiful leather shoes might cause me to rethink)

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                                sgordon Dec 3, 2010 10:30 AM

                                Frankly, I don't think "dress codes" belong in an upscale restaurant, not in 2010. I've dined in many an upscale resto w/o dress codes (Marea, Gramercy Tavern, Del Posto, etc...) in jeans and a t-shirt and felt perfectly comfortable. If someone at a neighboring table feels uncomfortable, that's on them, not on me. They should grow up and join the 21st century, where people aren't judged by the clothes they're wearing anymore. As long as you're clean and don't smell funny and aren't wearing a clown suit, no big deal. Behavior, as others have pointed out, is a much bigger deal.

                                I suspect the era of dress codes is in the past - you don't really see any NEW restos opening with them. I say good riddance.

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                                  loratliff Dec 3, 2010 10:34 AM

                                  I think it's a matter of respect... Why wear the same thing to Del Posto as you would to McDonald's? Just seems classless to me...

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                                    sgordon Dec 3, 2010 11:12 AM

                                    @loratliff: Well, I don't much believe in "class" - I think that's an old-fashioned (and a bit elitist) notion as well.

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                                    erica Dec 3, 2010 10:34 AM

                                    SGordon: I think that, despite the fact that there is no actual "dress code" does not mean that people should wear shorts and a t-shirt to eat at Marea.

                                    By your comments, I take it that anything goes, as long as the diner is clean. I do not agree. This is the argument posited by the camp that believes "I am paying for my meal so I can dress any way I want and that includes wearing my baseball cap at Jean Georges."

                                    I do agree, however, that this is my problem. And since, unfortunately, I will not be eating at Marea every week, I would rank this problem pretty far down the list as far as problems go.

                                    In fact, even if I eat there daily, it is still not much of a "problem," even for me.

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                                      loratliff Dec 3, 2010 10:40 AM

                                      I don't think that, by not having a dress code, the restaurant is condoning wearing shorts and T-shirt. Certainly not.

                                      Whenever I eat somewhere "nice," I want the server/chef/head waiter/somm/maitre'd to know that it's a special event for me, or, at the very least, that I am excited to be there and wasn't just dragged out of bed by my dining partners. I figure one way of doing this (besides interaction) is making an effort to look nice.

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                                        Riverman500 Dec 3, 2010 10:43 AM

                                        There are lots of private clubs that still insist on jacket and tie. Elitist? Perhaps. Does this heighten the dining experience. Of course. It's a tribal thing. People who like to dress up also like to be around others who are dressed up.

                                        Personally, I would not go to Marea in jeans, since I don't want to appear clueless, but hey, whatever floats your boat... if the restaurant's management doesn't care, then I won't care either.

                                        (edit - this is a response to sgordon, not erica. sorry!)

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                                          sgordon Dec 3, 2010 11:28 AM

                                          @Riverman: Well, a private club is a whole other matter. By their very nature, a "private" club is exclusionary. Otherwise they'd be public clubs.

                                          I've never felt clueless wearing jeans. If anything, I've found the level of service goes up - waitstaff are more relaxed, comfortable talking to you (if you want to talk to them) and just generally more engaging. They sense you're a customer they can turn off the script with, they don't try to upsell you on splurge items that are really only on the menu for hedge fund managers to try and impress their dates or business associates with, and they'll be more honest about the menu than just pushing whichever fish the kitchen needs to get rid of before it starts turning. They sense immediately that you're there for the food, first and foremost, and that you're anything BUT clueless. It gives off the vibe that you're a local, possibly a regular - not someone who might be there once a year.

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                                            thew Dec 3, 2010 01:27 PM

                                            i was in marea in jeans and a jacket. know how i appeared to my waiter? as someone who knows good food, and can discuss it intelligently with him, in order for him to do his job well and without hassle, and for me to enjoy my evening.

                                            neither one of us was clueless

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                                          ml77 Dec 3, 2010 10:38 AM

                                          No one is "judging" you for your clothes. But those of us who have outgrown our teenage years know that one looks silly wearing a t shirt and jeans to a nice restaurant. Is dressing up really that uncomfortable for you?

                                          BTW, I'm not one of those who would let your appearance detract from my experience. In fact, it would enhance it, as I would have a laugh at the fool who walked into Marea looking like he thought he was going out for a slice of pizza. After all, if you're uncomfortable with me mocking you, that's on you not me.

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                                            sgordon Dec 3, 2010 11:13 AM

                                            @ml77: You don't "know" that someone looks silly in a t-shirt and jeans. That's a subjective concept. You "think" someone looks silly in a t-shirt and jeans. I "think" the idea of telling adults how they should dress when they're paying $100+/pp for a meal is silly.

                                            And of course you're judging people - you readily admit, in the next paragraph, that you'll be "mocking" the "fool" who showed up, IYHO, underdressed. If those aren't judgmental terms, I don't know what are.

                                            Curious how it makes one a "fool" to be dressed in said t-shirt and jeans, too. Will it detract from my eating experience, somehow? No. Will I get lesser service? No. Will the portions be smaller? No. Gee, I'll be comfortable.

                                            But if you want to get all dolled up, be my guest. I'm not mocking you for how YOU dress.

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                                              gutsofsteel Dec 3, 2010 12:40 PM

                                              I do not believe for a second that clothing does not affect the way one is treated. Of course it does. The way one dresses is a signal to others of what one might expect from the person. You can deny it all you want, it's just human nature. It even exists in the animal kingdom. Appearance does have meaning, whether you want it to or not.

                                              Clothing is a social signifier. It's just a fact. Whether you "believe" in a class system or not, doesn't make it cease to exist. It exists.

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                                                thew Dec 3, 2010 01:30 PM

                                                i agree. however the judgement attached to one mode or dress or another changes over time. and jeans are no longer something poo-poo'd in most top end places.

                                                not too long ago a woman with a dress that showed more than her ankles would have been shunned. that isn;t the case anymore.

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                                                  sgordon Dec 5, 2010 09:12 AM

                                                  True, clothing is a social signifier. I don't deny it. But it signifies different things to different people.

                                                  And it's less of a fact than you think. Sure, there will always be some people and some establishment to whom it means something. But every year there's a greater percentage for whom it doesn't. And as to those few remaining places for whom it matters - well, if Jean Georges doesn't want my money because I'm not wearing a jacket, so be it. I'll give it to someone else.

                                                  Last night at Aquavit (main dining room, not the casual cafe), when I walked in wearing jeans and an old sweater, it didn't signify anything to our waiter - we received exemplary service. Heck, we even got an extra course on the house (beyond the normal couple of freebies they toss in) that the table next to us - all dressed up - didn't. Go figure. Don't know if that had anything to do with how we were dressed, but obviously our clothing didn't weigh against us.

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                                                MVNYC Dec 3, 2010 12:02 PM

                                                Sounds like you are "judging" based on your next paragraph.
                                                Agree with S Gordon. i have eaten at Marea twice now and wore jeans both times. They were nice jeans paired with nice shoes, a button down shirt and looked what I thought was appropriate. Since I was not coming from work so I was not wearing slacks. no one looked at me askance and I got perfectly good service. I dropped $200 on the meal both times and tipped well. I was neither loud nor obnoxious and felt comfortable while dining. How this should effect the experience of any other diner?

                                                You may have another viewpoint of what is considered dressing "nice" for a "nice" meal and that is fine. If you want to wear a tuxedo, I couldn't care less.

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                                                  gutsofsteel Dec 3, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                  Of course people are judging you by your clothes. It's one of the primary ways we have to make an impression on a stranger.

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                                                    r0cc00 Dec 3, 2010 12:51 PM

                                                    No -actions make an impression on people.
                                                    Your interpretation of a book by its cover tells me the depth of your character.

                                                    Are you seriously going to tell me that a person with the taste & means for Marea & wearing jeans is going to signal to you what type of person they are?

                                                    Any intelligent person would absorb the context of the situation & environment before making an opinion of another individual.

                                                    You would seriously let MVNYC's nice jeans & button down person sitting next to you ruin your meal? Wow, waste of energy & way to let others effect you.

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                                                      gutsofsteel Dec 3, 2010 12:54 PM

                                                      Everyone judges people by their appearance. Everyone. No matter how much you want to deny it. And everything we wear - everything - is a signal we choose to convey to those who see us.

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                                                        r0cc00 Dec 3, 2010 12:57 PM

                                                        We're not denying anything.
                                                        But It's only one method in a checklist full of methods to assess another person.

                                                        Bill Gates rarely wears a suit except for public speaking situations.
                                                        If he sat down next to you, in his polo & jeans...

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                                                          gutsofsteel Dec 3, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                          If he sat down next to me in a polo and jeans at Eleven Madison Park I'd think it was disrespectful and inappropriate.

                                                          I don't give a crap who he is or how rich...dress with some respect for the place, the occasion, and your fellow diners. Contribute to a festive atmosphere.

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                                                            MVNYC Dec 3, 2010 01:10 PM

                                                            I never thought a polo and jeans would freak out the squares!

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                                                              r0cc00 Dec 3, 2010 01:23 PM

                                                              Funny thing is, wealth usually is a sign of intelligence & accomplishment.
                                                              & using Gates as an example, he is also a philanthropist.

                                                              So if your definition of a restaurants' festive atmosphere is 'up-dress' & stuff your face in a chow pen with people who 'look' like you then I think most people would disagree that it would be a good time.

                                                              But the point is, eating with one's eyes close usually brings out the flavors.

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                                                                sgordon Dec 5, 2010 09:14 AM

                                                                Thing is, I find suits anti-festive. Every suit detracts from MY festive atmosphere. So, different things for different people.

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                                                                  gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 09:23 AM

                                                                  Hopefully, there will be some restaurants which enforce some dress code, and I will be able to continue to enjoy them on occasion.

                                                                  It is true that societal norms do wax and wane over time. That does not mean anyone has to conform to the latest trend, or relax their own sense of decorum.

                                                                  Soon we'll all be wearing shorts and tank shirts to the opera. You think that would be a good thing?

                                                                  Where do you draw the line? You think tank tops should be a fine thing to wear to a fine restaurant? Along with shorts and flip flops?

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                                                                    thew Dec 5, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                                    why would shorts and a tank top be a bad thing at the opera?

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                                                                      gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 12:15 PM

                                                                      Oy vey. I think I'll just go shoot myself.

                                                                      thew, is there, in your view, any reason ever, anywhere (aside from the weather) not to wear shorts and a tank top?

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                                                                        thew Dec 5, 2010 12:26 PM

                                                                        if you are not comfortable in them

                                                                        you havent told me whats wrong with wearing them in a dark room where everyone else is looking at the stage and not you

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                                                                          gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 12:36 PM

                                                                          Because it's a place that is worth of special treatment, the performers and the occasion deserve some respect and one of the ways we signal that is in how we dress. And everyone is not only looking at the stage...there is before the opera, intermissions, etc. A festive atmosphere is a nice thing.

                                                                          So as long as you are comfortable, anything you wear, no matter where or when, is appropriate? Shorts, sandals, and a tanktop would be appropriate for a funeral (assuming weather)?

                                                                          thew, would you wear shorts and a tank top to, say, Eleven Madison Park?

                                                                          What if your server there were wearing shorts and a tank top? How would that be?

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                                                                            thew Dec 5, 2010 12:59 PM

                                                                            as a performer, and one who has spent a lifetime around the theater - i don't agree.

                                                                            i don't wear tank tops anywhere, so i wouldn't wear to EMP. would i care if you wore on at the next table? not really.
                                                                            i think archaic dress codes are idiotic. i don;t care what my server is wearing as long as they are friendly, do their job well, know the food, and treat me right. given a choice between a competent server and a "well dressed" one, i'll take the former.

                                                                            i was at per se last week. i had no problem dressing for it. sometimes i like to dress up. not often, but i happen to clean up alright.

                                                                            i prefer people who have a sense of style. but that style should reflect the mores of the 21st century, not the 19th.

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                                                                              gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 01:09 PM

                                                                              If your server at Per Se has been wearing a tank top and shorts, would that have been okay with you? I'm not asking you to choose between competent and anything else. Assume they are competent.

                                                                              So as long as you are comfortable, anything you wear, no matter where or when, is appropriate? Shorts, sandals, and a tanktop would be appropriate for a funeral (assuming weather)? Is there any clothing that is every inappropriate, anywhere, in your view?

                                                                              Why did you feel it was appropriate to dress up for Per Se? How about it everyone else, including your server, had been wearing shorts and t-shirts and baseball caps? What if that's their "sense of style?" Why does what you "prefer" matter at all?

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                                                                                thew Dec 5, 2010 01:54 PM

                                                                                it would have been ok with me, however my server had been dressed. but you seem to be missing my point. I am not against dressing up. i enjoy it. when i want to. my issue this idea that one MUST dress a certain way, and not doing so spoils it for other diners.

                                                                                id also say that how diners dress and how servers dress are actually unrelated issues.

                                                                                why did i dress as i did for per se? simple. they have a strict no jeans/sneakers and must have a jacket policy.

                                                                                i went to my grandfathers funeral in jeans and a traditional northern thai blue shirt. guess what the people in my family thought? that i loved the man and he loved me and that it was a sad day. that covers it.

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                                                                                  gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 01:59 PM

                                                                                  Why does it matter what servers wear? How are they unrelated?

                                                                                  So you dressed nicely for Per Se ONLY because they have rules? For no other reason?

                                                                                  Why did you wear a traditional shirt for the funeral? If someone had been wearing shorts and a t-shirt would that have been appropriate?

                                                                                  Can you answer these please:

                                                                                  So as long as you are comfortable, anything you wear, no matter where or when, is appropriate? Shorts, sandals, and a tanktop would be appropriate for a funeral (assuming weather and no officlal rules)? Is there any clothing that is ever inappropriate, anywhere, in your view?

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                                                                                    thew Dec 5, 2010 02:38 PM

                                                                                    traditional for northern thailand, not traditional for my eastern european jewish family. it a material like a thick soft denim. i wore it because it was comfortable and not flashy.

                                                                                    had they not had the dress code at per se i probably would have worn nice jeans and sneakers as opposed to the dress boots and slacks i wore, yes.

                                                                                    i have answered these questions again and again. i think the archaic rules of dress are classist, anti-democratic, and outmoded in todays world. what is appropriate for a funeral is an attitude of love and respect. unlike you, i do not gauge those things by the clothing one wears. when it comes time to stick me in the ground, i don't care what my loved ones wear.

                                                                                    this arguing from extremes serves no one. lets get back to the original point, which was weather it is ok to wear a pair of jeans to a place like marea, not flip-flops to a funeral. i have no issue with it.

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                                                                    gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 09:25 AM

                                                                    What is "anti-festive" about a suit? What clothing is "festive" for you?

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                                                                      sgordon Dec 5, 2010 11:34 AM

                                                                      I think that there are certain rules that make sense, for sanitary purposes: one doesn't wear a tank-top or sandals because it's rude to make other customers smell your stinky armpits or feet. Aroma can affect the meal, and even if you think you smell fine, you may not. Errant hair is something that's also frowned on, and hairs are always dislodging from our bodies without our realizing it. That's why shorts on men are frowned upon, since we tend to have hairy legs.

                                                                      These are sanitary issues, though, and that's why these customs have developed over time.

                                                                      The suit has nothing to do with sanitariness, though - there is no functional purpose for it, in fact. It's simply something which became over time traditional business garb for men. It's arbitrary, though.

                                                                      Once upon a time there were dress codes keep out the riff-raff. The average person didn't own a suit, so they were excluded from upper-crust establishments. Nowadays, the guy in the ripped jeans next to you might be the Prince of Sweden for all you know.

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                                                                      As to "festive" clothing: Comfortable. Easy. Relaxed. A suit is something I associate with business meetings - the opposite of festive occasions. You look around and see a room full of smartly dressed people at Le Bernardin. I look around and I see an episode of "The Office" - boring. I feel like I'm dining in a law firm cafeteria. Nothing festive about that.

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                                                                      1. re: sgordon
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                                                                        gutsofsteel Dec 5, 2010 11:44 AM

                                                                        Plenty of people smell really bad even if they have sleeves. And there are plenty of dress-up sandals that women wear. Nevermind aroma - why are some clothes objectionable? If somebody smells just fine, is a tank top okay? Are you saying that men's legs have to be covered because their leg hair might get into somebody's food? Is that the only reason? How about women who don't shave their legs....should they cover their legs too? Do you think women should never wear sleeveless tops because their armpits might smell?

                                                                        Plenty of suits and dresses are beautiful and comfortable.

                                                                        Just because he's the Prince of Sweden doesn't mean he's dressed appropriately or respectfully.

                                                                        Where's the line for you? What is inappropriate dress in a fine restaurant?

                                                                        I find dressed up people, who made an effort to look nice for an occasion, to be really nice to look at. It definitely contributed to the atmosphere. What is the difference between a fine restaurant and a non-fine restaurant, other than the food? How about servers - should they feel fine wearing jeans and t-shirts? Would you like to dine at the Le Bernardin with a server wearing jeans and a t-shirt, or would that change the atmosphere?

                                                                        What does a well-dressed server convey about the restaurant? Doesn't the clothing of the server change the atmosphere?

                                                                        What do you wear to a funeral, sgordon? Is there a respectul way of dressing? Is there ever any reason to dress up, in your view, ever?

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                                      2. re: Hey19
                                        thew Nov 25, 2010 06:48 AM

                                        per se - no jeans no sneakers

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                                          r0cc00 Dec 3, 2010 01:37 PM

                                          They won't turn down JayZ or Bill Gates or any other A-lister that's for sure.

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                                            gutsofsteel Dec 3, 2010 02:27 PM

                                            I'm sure they won't be turned away, that doesn't mean what they're wearing is appropriate.

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                                              Jane A. Dec 3, 2010 02:36 PM

                                              Since this conversation is still going on - it's worth noting that even the Silicon Valley types (arguably the worst dressed rich people in the U.S.) get "dressed up" when they come east to meet with the bank and investor crowd. For them, "dressed up" often doesn't mean more than clean, and ironed, and dark pants rather than blue color blue jeans, and a shirt of woven material rather than the knitted material of T-Shirts. Add leather shoes or boots, as opposed to Nike-things, and throw on a blazer with that, and you've achieved the minimum requirement for "nicely dressed" that will pass in any restaurant.

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                                        2. The Chowhound Team Dec 5, 2010 06:10 PM

                                          Folks, this conversation has nothing to do with finding good food in Manhattan, and is therefore off topic for this board, so we're going to lock the thread now.

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