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TC Just Desserts: Finale [spoiler]

Wow, male toplessness, homophobic slurs and the use of the word "ass clown" -- and we're only 13 minutes in. This is going to be good!

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  1. OK, we have a winner in the least convincing emotional moment sweepstakes: Morgan! Wow, unremitting jerkwad the entire season.

    1. Yay, good ending, although my sympathies had shifted a bit toward the end and I was hoping for an underdog upset...tebrikler to the winner!

      1. I just missed the last 5 minutes! Who won???

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        1. re: browneyedwoman

          No spoiler header.

          Yigit, but it was close.

          1. re: cmvan

            Oh good! Couldn't believe I missed it at the last minute...even though Morgan created amazing final desserts I would've totally cringed if he'd won. Yigit deserved the win : ) I was also happy that Danielle did such a great job. I can see how it would've been a close finally.

            1. re: cmvan

              How do we know it was close? It's not like they showed a scorecard. I think the editors showed positive comments about all three chefs to keep the suspense high. My interpretation was that Yigit won by a comfortable margin.

              1. re: taos

                Yeah, it's always "close" on these shows even if it's not. A fallen souffle can't win, no matter how they spin it.

          2. Yeah! Yigit! Overcomes nerves! Makes prizewinning work!
            I still wonder what Heather would have done at this level...and how professional and gracious of her to just work, when she gets stuck with her foe Morgan. Also in the episode, Morgan's celebrity sous chef confirmed his jerkitude, and Morgan talks about wanting to pound Zac in the face if it wouldn't get him kicked off the show. Jeez.

            Glad to see them all do very very nice work in the finale.

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            1. re: pitu

              I agree that Yigit should have won. Interesting point of view and flawless execution. As far as Morgan goes, a couple of points. He was portrayed as the villian from the beginning simply because he was different than the other males on the show. Editing is everything as we all know. There was certainly much bashing of him simply because he was not a bird of a feather. He acted like a jerk occasionally, but it was was emphasized in editing. Actually, I think Heather (who you mention) was much more offensive than Morgan, and I used to belong to the country club where she cooks. What else do you think she could have done other than behave like a professional. No extra points for that. If I had been Morgan, I would have refused her help. I am surprized that no one seems to have taken offense that Morgan's "celebrity" sous chef announced her dislike for him to the judging panel before they tried his offering. Talk about unprofessional, inappropriate and predudicial. Anyway, much drama, the right person likely won, and I fould it mildly entertaining. By the way, I am not prone to violence, but I want to punch Zack too. Just kidding.

              1. re: bimmertimmer

                Agree with everything bimmertimmer said.
                I wanted to Danielle to win ever since she made the baseball dessert for her dad.

                1. re: bimmertimmer

                  I agree with bimmertimmer too - except that I don't think Morgan was even really portrayed as a villain. Confident, yes, competitive, occasionally cocky, but with the skills to back it up. I'm surprised that as many people disliked him as apparently do - I liked him, and I really thought he was going to win (and deservedly so). Based on what we saw of the judging, I think if not for the mishap with the souffles, he probably would have won. But Yigit seemed to have perfect execution on this challenge, and his desserts were sophisticated and looked beautiful - so good on him!

                  1. re: bimmertimmer

                    agreed; i was aghast when heather h was shown whining about the past competitions and saying how she didn't want him to win. i'm sure it was just editing to make for more interesting drama, but it looked like she deliberately set out to undermine him. this, of course, probably wasn't true since she helped calm him down when plating the collapsing souffles and insisted that the perfect ones go out to the judges.

                    while it seemed morgan was a strong contender with excellent skill & technique sets, ultimately the most creative and deserving person won.

                    1. re: bimmertimmer

                      I'll state the obvious re: Morgan's edit -

                      I didn't see the entire series, or even most of it. From what I saw, I was at times inclined to sympathize with Morgan as being competent, competitive, and serious (all fine qualities in my book), but thrown into the adversarial/villain's role for being different from his competitors.

                      Problem is the homophobic slurs - you just can't go on TV, make bigoted remarks, and then blame your vilification on the editing.

                    2. re: pitu

                      Well as an openly gay man I find Zac very, very offensive and feel he's probably set the LGBT movement back 20 or 30 years with his cliche gay man persona. That ridiculous and immature GoDiva B.S. - his "pissy queen" B.S. and the fact that he just wasn't good enough and lasted much longer then he should have. Morgan is far from perfect, but he has the credentials and the talent to back up his behavior AND he's really no different then any chef/cook/pastry diva I've worked with.

                      1. re: Brioche57

                        Well, as an openly heterosexual Chowhound, I find that Morgan set the heterosexual movement back at least 2 or 3 days.

                        Kidding, of course. Kidding ...

                          1. re: ipsedixit

                            HAHA!! oh my god, so true. I would rather fling myself over the TV to prevent my son from watching Morgan rather than Zack!

                          2. re: Brioche57

                            Ditto.

                            From what I see, Morgan had no particular problem with Yigit, a gay man, and got on well with Eric, another gay man. He had real bad problems with one gay person, Zac. So do you and I, it would seem.

                          3. re: pitu

                            I'm not sure that Fleming particularly "confirmed his (Morgan's) jerkitude". She expressed her (unprofessional) opinion at the table that he was a 'typical male pastry chef'. She did not say he was a vile person or words to that effect. I would even infer that she probably thinks of most male pastry chefs in a similar way, from her use of the word 'typical...'. Perhaps that is incorect, but that is what came across.

                            It also seemed to me from what the magical elves showed us that there was definitely a personality/chemistry clash between Morgan and her right from the start, from her stiff-necked nose-high response to him when they were introduced by Johnny Iuzzini. Morgan's technical explanation of the chemistry behind his ideas did not seem overbearing to me. I would have tried to learn from it rather than take offense at it - Fleming's 'old-school' approach to her food appeared to get in the way of her being open to new things. She may have been around for a long time but Morgan is by no means a novice in the field.

                          4. Nice ending. The judge and show put a mostly positive spin on the finalists.

                            Morgan still got quite the asshole edit, as with putting AC on high, to discomfort of Yigit, and the negative impression he left on his guest celebrity sous (that's a bad indicator). But Morgan really embracing the role, and as they say, the editors can only work with the material you give them. I don't think he's as bad as he's made out in editing... the other contestants seem to still mostly tolerate and respect him. -- unlike wacko Seth.

                            I'm glad Danielle did well. I think she'll get the biggest boost - from obscure smalltime pastry chef/owner, to a place to try for good flavors. Yigit and Morgan are already established fine restaurant pastry chefs.

                            I will most remember TCJD for ... Ahh... Seth. How true that bad behavior will get you remembered on reality TV. "Red Hots for my MOMMIE!!!" --- "[Breyers is] Weak Sauce!" -- Seth

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                            1. re: dach

                              i went on a date with seth after the show taped but before it aired. "the red hots are for my mommy" will live on in infamy amongst me and my friends :(

                              anyway, what i will always remember is zac saying about danielle (during a one-on-one confessional): "YOU LOOK LIKE MARILYN MANSON AND YOU CAN'T COOK." so hilarious.

                              1. re: selenster

                                Oh, you can't merely mention a date with Seth and provide no further insight! Would you have guessed that he melted down in the way that he did? Did he regularly use the term "weak sauce"?

                                1. re: LaPomme

                                  without getting into personal details, i didn't think he would act the way he did on the program, but things that he told me during our time together would indicate that there are reasons why he was the way he is, if that makes sense. he was very confident and cocky, and i sure as heck didn't see the panic attacks and histrionic fits coming (or his unceremonious departure). he had told me "i was proud of how i did" which, after watching the show, is kind of funny, because he didn't fare all too well.

                                  i do remember him saying that he got along well with only one other cast mate, "the only other heterosexual male" which means morgan. it seemed by the end of seth's run, even morgan was exasperated w/ seth's antics though.

                                  1. re: selenster

                                    More proof that so much is created in the editing. Probably none of us would seem that normal if we were taped for several days but only the weirdest 15 minutes were shown!

                                    1. re: selenster

                                      also, the situation that they're all thrust into is not normal by any means; it's a high pressure experience where you're not allowed to talk to anyone else outside of those within the production, if i'm not mistaken (i do believe that's the case with most of these reality show competitions). i would probably dissolve into a pool of babbling bacon grease given those stressors.

                                      i mean, had it just been the situation where he put the pans on his head to shut out the cameras (that was funny), i wouldn't think twice. but add up the accusations of everyone out to sabotage him, his near breakdown re: the red hots and again during the greyhound situation, and...it just makes for entertaining tv at the expense of him.

                                      1. re: selenster

                                        After seeing the meltdown, is he someone you'd consider dating again? My first thought after seeing the "The red hots are for my mommy!" episode is that he's just guaranteed he'll never have a decent date.

                                        1. re: chowser

                                          haha after one date i opted not to see him again when he asked for a follow up (this was back in april, perhaps?) and upon viewing the program - especially the red hots scene - i smugly realized i avoided disaster. and i'm known for making poor romantic decisions! :)

                                          1. re: selenster

                                            Sounds like you dodged a big one!

                                        2. re: selenster

                                          Maybe, its just me, but I always got a slight ping on my gaydar with Seth.

                                      2. re: selenster

                                        OMG! Did mom come on the date? Or did he take her call in the middle of it, at least?

                                        1. re: C. Hamster

                                          heh, alas, red hot mommy did not attend. also, i tried to get very drunk but failed on the watered down drinks at the restaurant we were at.

                                      3. re: dach

                                        Oh, I didn't think that bit about the air conditioning made Morgan look bad at all - I thought it made Yigit look like a whiny little brat. My husband leaves the AC on all the time - he's a big guy and he gets hot. If it makes me cold, I get up and turn it off. How hard is that? What a baby!

                                        1. re: aching

                                          I can't get over the love for Morgan--yes he did get the "villain edit" but he gave them plenty to work with--has any other TC contenstant been so openly insulting of another contestant as he was of Zac? Zac was a bit over the top but calling him a "little girl," a "fairy" and that show tunes crack was over the line into downright homophobic, in my view. I wouldn't patronize any restaurant he was a part of, even if he is talented. Judging by what was aired, I think the producers may have struggled to find any footage that DIDN'T show him to be an ass clown. And I'm sorry, that moment when he teared up over his son was about the fakest "I miss my brat" moment of any TC so far.

                                          1. re: newhavener07

                                            I think most of them were openly insulting of one another.

                                            1. re: tofuburrito

                                              True, but think of how obviously bigoted it would have been if Morgan had decided he didn't like Heather because she was so "flamingly Asian" and brought up her race in every interview. This is basically what he did to Zac, only it was Zac's sexuality he was obsessed with.

                                              1. re: LaPomme

                                                agreed, lapomme. the digs at zac's sexuality were unnecessary. i mean, sure, he can dislike the constant show tunes, but referring to zac as "girlish" or "flaming" is problematic.

                                                1. re: selenster

                                                  Methinks Morgan protests too much. Guys who are secure in their heterosexuality don't have to make comments like that.

                                                  1. re: chowser

                                                    i just think he's a clueless dude from texas who's absolutely ignorant about gender/sexual politics.

                                                  2. re: selenster

                                                    Zac is intentionally girlish so being referred to that way is less problematic than hearing Danielle referred to as Marilyn Manson look alike. Apparently that comment was okay, and funny. In my mind it was cruel and if you're going to insult others then don't turn into a cry baby when you're called out.

                                                    1. re: tofuburrito

                                                      well, sure, making fun of someone's face is cruel, but we're discussing gender and sexual politics which go above and beyond typical third grade "you so ugly the mirror broke" type insults. morgan's repeated comments about zac's predilection for show tunes and being effusive or whatever were rooted in queer bashing.

                                                      1. re: selenster

                                                        very true about morgan but zac's comment about danielle looking like marilyn manson is rooted in misogyny, in my opinion that is. whatever the case, after all was said and done glad yigit won and really glad the show is over and we can move on to hopefully a better TC.

                                                        1. re: selenster

                                                          If memory serves correct those comments were in response to Zac criticizing Morgan's stoic personality at judges table. And what would Zac's insults be rooted in; straight bashing?

                                                          1. re: tofuburrito

                                                            no, it would be marilyn manson bashing. heh. sorry.

                                                            1. re: selenster

                                                              Except that he didn't bash Eric or Yigit so I think he had more of a problem with Zac than he did with Zac's sexual preferences. I found Morgan's behavior to be at times inexcusable as was Zac's when he called out Morgan in front of the judeges (for no good reason I add). Zaz was just plain annoying in the edited version. Imagine living and working with him daily for several weeks. Looking at it that way, Morgan may have shown a lot of restraint before finally succumbing to the pressure of the interviewer that was obviously constantly asking him what he thought of Zac. Remember, those interviews are done by producers who know what they are doing. They can elicit whatever responses they desire. The one seeming exception to that might have been Brian Voltaggio from TC season 6, he seemed to keep above all the negativity and focussed on cooking instead of personalities (except of course for his exchanges with his own brother).

                                                              1. re: John E.

                                                                you have a valid point. i think what to me comes off as gay bashing is the dislike of the gendered actions (ie: the "feminine" seeming antics of zac). actually, in retrospect, "gay bashing" is the wrong term. it's just an adherence to old school gender norms, which bothers me.

                                                                and bryan voltaggio was a robot on that season, and michael was always haranguing the heck out of him.

                                                                1. re: John E.

                                                                  Maybe Zac and Morgan need to spend some quality time with each other because they were both unbearable towards each other. In Season 6, the Volt brothers were openly competitive in a brotherly way but the top 4 obviously has high respect for each other, and deservedly so. I do think Morgan was gracious in losing to Yigit in acknowledging his talent.

                                                          2. re: LaPomme

                                                            So not true!!

                                                            He was referring to his "fairy-ish" behaviour - not his sexuality. Two completely different things.

                                                            Also, I am female, but I take offense to that Gail woman (or whatever her name was saying he is a "typical MALE chef"
                                                            I mean - isnt THAT a sexist remark???

                                                            If it were a man saying "typical FEMALE Chef" - wouldnt we all be in uproar???

                                                            I hate double standards!!!

                                                            1. re: NellyNel

                                                              I hear what you're saying about double standards, except historic inequities are what is being addressed when a top of line professional woman makes a comment like that.
                                                              straight:gay
                                                              white:non-white
                                                              male:female
                                                              All about dominant culture over a historically oppressed group
                                                              I know others will differ, but we are not post-gay, post-racial, post-misogynist in America. And boy does THAT get played out on reality shows!
                                                              I swear, I want to watch the cooking and all this STUFF keeps getting in the way!

                                                              1. re: pitu

                                                                I agree with you there - absolutely.

                                                                but things will never move ahead if we as women keep bringing "sex" up.
                                                                A chef is a chef is a chef. There is no sex to Chef.
                                                                We are now the ones to are being sexist. It will never end if we continue to do this.

                                                        2. re: newhavener07

                                                          I must agree about the "editing" of Morgan. You can do a lot with editing, but you can't make words come out of the man's mouth that he didn't say. His comments speak for themselves, although of course, there must be miles of footage that we will never see. Producers of these types of shows are widely known to coach certain contestants into playing their various roles. All that being said, I live here in Dallas, where Morgan is purportedly employed, and the distastefulness of his persona will keep me from seeking out his wares, however tasteful and tasty they may be (and they admittedly looked pretty impressive much of the time).

                                                          I was very happy for Yigit's win. The praise for his desserts around that entire room of high-powered judges and tasters was uniformly high. It's always frustrating that we can't taste or even smell what we are seeing. But this kid seemed to be bursting with talent, a true America Land of the Free success story, and yeah, for once, the "cute, nice guy" took it all home.

                                                          I'd like to see more from Erika, who seemed to be a class act and a great chef. Her too-early departure was my biggest disappointment of the season.

                                                          Seth falls into the above category of "You can bump up the crazy in the editing room, but there has to be some crazy there to edit." His desserts didn't seem appealing, and his unwillingness to take any challenge on its own terms really contributed to the overall impression of a poor sport, not to mention a highly disruptive one.

                                                          1. re: nerfTractor

                                                            Morgan was both homophobic and mysogynistic -- a bad combo. I can't imagine feeling comfortable working in the same kitchen as him, after the comments he made during the dress challenge.

                                                            And yes, his celebrity sous openly admitted she didn't like him, but she still found his desserts pretty awesome, with the exception of the fallen soufflé. So I don't think it affected his score.

                                                            1. re: piccola

                                                              "Morgan was both homophobic and mysogynistic"

                                                              Welcome to the world of the professional kitchen. Believe me, I know.

                                                          2. re: newhavener07

                                                            All I was saying is that if you're cold, it's on you to turn of the AC! =)

                                                            1. re: newhavener07

                                                              Ditto. Could he beat his chest any harder? When your sous-chef dislikes you after a few hours, there is something more than just editing.

                                                            2. re: aching

                                                              I don't like Morgan but I agree w/ you. At this point, there are several empty beds. Get up and move.

                                                              1. re: aching

                                                                I wasn't going to chime in on this thread but aching, you said what I was thinking! If his bed was directly under the AC vent, he probably could have moved it (or moved to another bed). For cripe's sake, put on your big girl pants and stand up for yourself! I have passive agressive behavior but again, this could have been a situation played up by the editors.

                                                                All said, I thought the finale was great and was impressed with all three chef's work. I believe Yigit's techniques and his theme were the best. I would have loved to been at that table!

                                                                1. re: Dee S

                                                                  or turned off the AC himself! what a baby! but then again he's pretty young. glad morgan broke up team diva but after that i couldn't careless what happened to him. he was as obnoxious as heather and zac. somehow i ended up rooting for danielle in the end but thought the win was well deserved by yigit, baby or not.