27pc All-Clad d5 help
Funny as soon as I created this account someone else posted they were getting cookware for Christmas too!
DH has been researching cookware to buy for me for months and just when he decided All-Clad was the way to go, he discovered the d5 line. He's been debating over the 15 pc and the 27 pc.
Does anyone have any clue what it contains because W-S doesn't provide the breakdown and I do not recognize all of the pieces; that alone makes me think I do not need the 27 pc set however, there are several things the 15 pc doesn't have I know I need as I am without and borrow as it is.
Also, can anyone think of a reason to talk him OUT of this purchase? Am I insane to look for a reason? LOL
In reading the subsequent responses, I feel I ought to gently say that the comfort of the handles is, or ought to be, a major consideration when buying cookware. Most home accidents occur either in the kitchen or bathroom. The ability to safety control the cookware, which contains boiling liquid and could be held over an open flame, is absolutely paramount.
* If the handles aren't comfortable in your hand, that is reason not to buy the cookware. You won't enjoy using them, you could damage your wrists, and it could be dangerous.
* If large pieces, such as a 12-inch fry pan, do not have a helper handle, that is reason not to buy the cookware. That is a disaster waiting to happen.
* If the cookware doesn't have a pouring spout or rolled edges for ease of pouring liquids, that is reason not to buy the cookware.
* If DH or MIL thinks you need better/newer/more impressive kitchen items, that is reason not to buy the cookware. Because of safety concerns, the primary user needs to be 100% comfortable with all the pieces.
The above reasons are why most Chowhounders tend to mix and match among many brands and scoff at sets. (That, and the preference of certain shapes over others. For example, I despise flat bottomed pots--I'd much rather have sauciers.)
Lastly, when buying cookware, you need to make sure that the diameters fit properly over your stove burner, and there is sufficient room around your stovetop to accommodate the handles.
You've had a lot of great input here and the only thing I would add to the conversation is to suggest that you take a good look at the set to determine whether you'll get good use out of ALL of the pieces. WS tends to have some great sales on during the holidays and what I found was that I could put together my own set with only pieces that I knew I was going to use and I did so at the same price of the All-Clad set. I've never regretted that decision and continue to build my collection w ad hoc pieces as I need them.
I wanted the copper core at first when he insisted I "needed" this gift. We do however, have serious problems where I live with oxidation (too much salt in the air) and I just couldn't see myself having to deal with the copper band every week.
So supper bummed but have to laugh. DH was talking to family in the States and brought up cookware and that he was getting a Griswold as soon as we found the one we wanted. Her husband thought it was a junk pan because it wasn't "pretty" and in the garbage it went! If only he knew what I would have paid for it! LOL
I just noticed that the 12" fry pan in the copper-core line has an extra helper handle and d5 doesn't. A big pan full of food can be pretty unwieldy in my opinion.
And it's just a band, not like the whole thing covered in copper! One of our members here, Caroline1, if I remember right, said she puts her copper pot in the dishwasher. When I get a copper core fry pan this Christmas I intend to do the same. What do you mean I have to baby my pans??? :-) The oxidized band is not going to affect cooking performance. I assume the tarnish can be removed by a wipe with Bar Keeper's Friend if needed. I asked AC about the difference between d5 and CC and they said that "copper is copper, it's the best heat transfer metal".
But I can see how a piece of tarnished copper can be unsightly. But if by any chance you decide that tarnished copper isn't all that bad, check out kaleokahu's suggestion (below) too!
The d5 is a fine set. Having said that:
* Stainless steel is not the optimal material for all kinds of cookware;
* There are a few manufacturers that make comparable (if not superior) stainless cookware; and
* You may not find the handles comfortable.
So it's really up to you whether or not you think the price is justified.
Viking and Mauviel make excellent cookware. I think Demeyere, however, is the best. Of course, it's also the most expensive. Oh well.
I found the 27-piece set on WS's website. Again, the $2500 price v. value is only something you can judge.
I would not spend money on a SS stockpot. I prefer aluminum, as it's lighter. Since stock pots generally only cook liquids, I don't see the point in spending money on SS which is heavier and costs more.
I also don't see the point in an All-Clad splatter screen. Mine cost $10 and it works fine.
I'm not sure of the value of a double boiler. I have always used a bowl over a pot with the same results.
I also see a dutch oven in there. That is one item that I would rather have in ECI.
I see a covered sauteuse. It looks to be of similar size to the saute pans. Er....I don't need all that. (But maybe you do.)
I also see 3 frying pans. If you already have an old cast iron...will you need 3? Also, I would rather use a griddle/grill thing on my stove if I am frying a lot of items. I find it easier to maneuver about and also, I have trouble lifting large frying pans.
I do like the covered saucier. That is a type that I'd rather have more of in graduating sizes. I do think a really small one is perfect for milk, oatmeal, etc. That set doesn't have one. I covet the copper Falk try me piece.
Lastly, the number of pieces include lids. I am a fan of universal lids, because I hate fussing over the jumbled mess in the cabinet, and trying to remember which lid goes to which pan. Since I never use every piece of cookware at once, I don't see the value in having lids for every pot.
So. What else are you considering?
Thank you soooo much for taking the time to look at the 27 pc. We've decided to go with the 15 pc set and if there is anything else we might need we can always get it later and I completely agree with you on most everything you pointed out.
We actually do not have a cast iron because we are being sticklers and want a Griswold and haven't gotten around to buying one yet. A friend that is a machinist is going to polish it for us when we do pick one up and it will become our non-stick (if they do it right there is no need for Teflon).
Doing away with our aluminum. Waiting a few minutes more to boil means nothing to me compared to the possible health risks ... same with Teflon; a friend of ours is the one that did the research behind it. From what I understand, the risks with non-stick are far greater than they've stated. A doctor friend said the same thing but also included aluminum as a metal to avoid.
You've been a great help!
Hope you are around when I contemplate bakeware (my favorite)! LOL