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I like both red and white wine, especially trockenbeerauslese or eiswein. But I would like some suggestions for both red wines and white wines to order at dinner while we are in Berlin over Christmas. I find the rieslings too sweet and don't know that much about the Germany reds. I have had some German pinots that are good. Any suggestions- also a recommendation for a good bottle of Sekt would be great too. We will be in Berlin for Christmas so I plan to buy a bottle at KaDeWe or whereever Lingua suggests to drink before we go out to dinner on Christmas Eve.

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  1. I personally love Franken Silvaner, which usually comes in the oddly shaped Bocksbeutel. They do make some that are sweet but most are dry. Relatively few are exported into the the U.S. That's what I'd be looking for if I were in Germany.
    I'm confused by your comment that you like TBAs and eiswein but find riesling too sweet.

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    1. re: SteveTimko

      I like the dessert wines for sipping after dinner or with dessert but I like dryer wines with the rest of my meal or when I just have a drink . Do you have any specific Franken Silvaner's to suggest?

      1. re: suzieq4

        The best stuff isn't sent to the U.S. They sell it all there. So I'd find a really good wine store and ask them for their Franken Silvaner that's drinking best right now.

    2. In the most generic terms sadly you will find that Berlin is like most of Germany and has little regard for it's great wines.In almost all cases stay away from glass (offen) wines or schoppen wines which in most cases are the worst of the worst. As you prefer dry wines you need to keep an eye out for "Trocken" wines especially the Grosse Gewachs, G.C. or Erste Lagen which will be the best single vineyard wines the country has to offer.

      Specifically, I would suggest visiting Weinbar Rutz which does have excellent rotating glass wines. From their bottle list I would suggest:

      Pfalz Region -Riesling grape

      A. Christmann: Idig 07
      Burkin-Wolf: Pechstein 05

      Franken Region-Silvaner grape

      Wirsching: Iphofer Julius Echterberg 08
      Max Muller: Sommeracher Katzenkopf alte reben spatlese trocken 08

      Baden Region -Spatburgunder grape
      Salwey:Eichburg 07

      Reinstoff does not have an online wine list, and I have not visited but they have a good reputation so I think you could trust their recommendation.

      Some of my favorites to look for: the Spatburgunders from Frederich Becker in the Pfalz and Rudolf Furst in Franken. The trocken Rieslings from Keller in Rhinehessen and Rebholz in Pfalz.

      Renger Patzch- Weisburgunder Spatlese Schneider in Baden

      Majellchen- typically terrible list but the rose Spatburgunder from Leitz in Rheingau is the best on their list.

      For your holiday sekt I would look for the "pi-no" Brut Sekt from Rebholz in Pfalz.

      Prost!

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      1. re: Trip Klaus

        Thanks to both of you for your suggestions. I was afraid that Majellchen wouldn't have a good wine selection. I think we will drink a bottle of Sekt before we go to the restaurant on Christmas Day or buy another bottle to polish off before we head out to the restaurant.
        We are also going to Florian. Some comments suggest they have a good wine list. Any sugestions??
        Since I like the TBA and Eisweins, I should also ask you for some suggestions since I would like to bring a few bottles back with us. There are 4 of us so we can pack 2 each in our checked bags. If you have some suggestions for halb-trocken spatlese and auslese, I would also appreciate those suggestions. I am going to suggest that we only drink German wines on this trip and get to know the wines of Germany better even though we probably won't be able to buy it when we return home.

        1. re: suzieq4

          It's hard to make recommendations unless you can list some wines you like.
          Again, you say you don't like sweet wines but you ask for recommendations for spatlese and auslese.
          If you're looking for trophy wines, Keller's G-Max will be about $100 a bottle cheaper in Germany, but it's a dry wine and it also needs about six to eight years in the cellar.
          We have an excellent selection of the best German rieslings in the United States, so it's hard to suggest one that's worth lugging over from Berlin.
          The list Florian has online is the by-the-glass wines and nothing stands out there. I'm guessing their bottle list is more impressive.