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Macoun apples at Berkeley Bowl

Ruth Lafler Nov 8, 2010 07:12 PM

When I walked into Berkeley Bowl this afternoon and saw the Macoun apples I squealed (no doubt embarrassing grayelf, whom I was showing around Berkeley).

The Bowl had many, many varieties of apples, including some (Macoun, Spitzenberg) rarely seen in the area. I also bought some red corn (not red like Indian corn, but white kernals that look like they were sponged with red -- very pretty and delicious!).

Berkeley Bowl
2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

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    gordon wing RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 8, 2010 08:10 PM

    I was shopping for apples last week at the Bowl and was surprised to see the Macoun and also Empires and several others that are more readily available back East. the Macoun were highly waxed ( shiny ) but also showed several mini bruises. Not sure they travel well. Lot of apples from Washington State - more commercial looking than local versions of the same apple. Many choices - just look /smell carefully.

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      Ruth Lafler RE: gordon wing Nov 8, 2010 08:12 PM

      The Macouns they had today were gorgeous -- I didn't see any bruises.

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        mdg RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 8, 2010 10:13 PM

        Wow, that might be worth the ride to Berkeley. I haven't had Macouns since moving here from Boston and I sure do miss them.

        Do you remember if the Watsonville orchard might have been Billy Bob? They have some of the best local apples around, including Empires. I'll have to ask if they have Macouns the next time I see them at the Mountain View market. Even if they're not as good as eastern versions, it would be great to support local growers trying different things.


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          Ruth Lafler RE: mdg Nov 9, 2010 09:14 AM

          The farm in Watsonville is Hillview - they're at the Jack London Square, San Jose and Danville markets (IIRC).

          Jack London Square
          70 Washington St # 207, Oakland, CA

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      dordogne RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 8, 2010 08:18 PM

      Yes, agreed on the squeal. The macouns are shipped from New York (I've never seen them locally grown; I think it just doesn't get cold enough in California), the ones at Berkeley Bowl West are quite large, flavor is good but they aren't as crisp as the ones I had at the Union Square greenmarket in NYC a few weeks ago. Nevertheless, a good reason to veer from strict locavorianism and to feel continually blessed living within a short ride to both Berkeley Bowls.

      Berkeley Bowl
      2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

      Berkeley Bowl West
      920 Heinz Ave, Berkeley, CA

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        Ruth Lafler RE: dordogne Nov 8, 2010 08:33 PM

        There's one grower in Watsonville who is at the Jack London Square farmers market that has them for a couple of weeks during the season, but I missed them this year and I don't think they're as good as the ones from the east. BTW, grayelf was doing her best not to die from envy at the Berkeley Bowl.

        Berkeley Bowl
        2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

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          takuhead RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 8, 2010 10:09 PM

          Saw this variety at Mollie Stones in Palo Alto today - i think they were $2.69 a pound...very shiny and medium in size....they weren't labeled organic.

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        walker RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 8, 2010 10:52 PM

        I was at Monterey Mkt this afternoon and they, too, had many varieties of apples. I'd been reading a thread on home cooking re apple pies and most were saying they preferred Cortlands (Macouns were mentioned but all the talk made me think "Cortlands" would be better.

        So, I bought some will try to tackle an apple pie -- I'm very out of practice.

        (They also had about 20 kinds of mushrooms -- one I'd never seen before, called Honey Mushroom with a stem about 4-5 inches long -- produce man said he'd heard you're to eat the stems -- he has not tried them yet. I bought a small amount to try.)

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          petrelline RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 9, 2010 08:14 AM

          FWIW Macouns will grow in California just fine -- I have a tree here in the Santa Cruz mountains. But Macouns are very sensitive to terroir and they prefer east coast soils to really get the bite and crispness that makes them so good in New England and New York. They're just not the same grown here.

          Honeycrisp apples are a cross of Macouns and a golden delicious variant, wildly popular, and less terroir sensitive. They're a little too sweet for me but still pretty tasty. The season is over for them here but you can still find them imported from Washington.

          FWIW I make pies with a combination of local newtown pippin, granny smith, and winesap apples, and I get raves for my pies. I grew up in Boston but I strongly disagree with the idea that you need east coast apples to make a great pie.

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            gordon wing RE: petrelline Nov 9, 2010 08:48 AM

            Thanks for the information about locally grown Macouns - it's the "bite(acid) and crispness" that makes them so good. If they don't have that I'd rather wait and have them back East where they are like I remember them. I have a Gravenstein apple tree in my yard - these are great apples but they don't travel well at all. A matter of days off of the tree result in a mushier apple - right off the tree they are crisp and tart. Freshness matters - although I would imagine that some apples hold up better than others.

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              Ruth Lafler RE: gordon wing Nov 9, 2010 09:16 AM

              Yes, freshness matters, moreso in some apple varieties than others. One exception is Arkansas Blacks -- straight off the tree they are dry and woody, but if you let them mellow a little they get soft enough to release the juices.

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                gordon wing RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 9, 2010 11:44 AM

                love Arkansas Blacks - good to know about them if I ever come across a tree.

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                  Ruth Lafler RE: gordon wing Nov 9, 2010 12:47 PM

                  The Bowl (original) had Arkansas Blacks yesterday (sort of hidden around the corner from the others, facing the wall with the veggies), and at least one local grower has them, too. That's how I learned this: I had friends who raves about Arkansas Blacks, so I bought some at the farmers market and they were terrible. So they sat in the bowl for a week or so and I tried them again and they were great. So now I let my Arakansas Black "age" a little.

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                    JasmineG RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 9, 2010 02:24 PM

                    That's good to know, Ruth, because I had the same experience (hearing raves, buying Arkansas Blacks at the market and finding them terrible).

                    A grower who comes to the Tuesday FP market sells them, on the left center side if you're facing the building; at least he had them last week.

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                      oakjoan RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 12, 2010 09:51 PM

                      WHAT!!!??? WHAT??? Arkansas Blacks at BB? I was there Thursday and thought I'd looked everywhere. Monterey Mkt. said they didn't have them a couple of days ago when I called.

                      So where are they? Around the corner from the others facing the veggies? In the aisle where the heirloom tomatoes are? At the end of the aisle? Huh? Huh? Huh? I'm having to take deep breaths in order to calm down and not jump into my car, drive there and wait til they open tomorrow!

                      I've been buying small organic Cameo apples. They are juicy and verrrrry crisp. They aren't AB's though.

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                        Ruth Lafler RE: oakjoan Nov 12, 2010 10:12 PM

                        At Berkeley Bowl (original) they were in the first bin (closest to the other apples) in the row facing the veggie wall. At least, that's where they were on Monday.

                        Berkeley Bowl
                        2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

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                          Ruth Lafler RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 14, 2010 08:47 AM

                          Both Macouns and Arkansas Blacks yesterday at BBWest.


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                          rkayen RE: oakjoan Nov 13, 2010 01:10 PM

                          Monterey Market had Arkansas Blacks yesterday in the outside bins.

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                    dordogne RE: gordon wing Nov 10, 2010 07:53 PM

                    Yes, texture of Macouns and early McIntoshes is wonderful--not just crisp but crunchy. The first bite is like the first crack of bat on ball at spring training.

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                      chefj RE: dordogne Nov 13, 2010 10:58 AM

                      Have you tried the Winesaps? Crisp, Crunchy, Deep red outside, red striations near the core with a sweet- tart cidery flavor. My personal favorite, and available at BB as well.

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                  LAMark RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 9, 2010 01:21 PM

                  My wife got some Macouns at Berkeley Bowl last week. She was thrilled to find them there, being from MA. However they were mushy. We used to get a yearly shipment from her family of a box of these and the flavor/texture is not like any other apple. Sort of like the flavor of a McIntosh but much crunchier. Maybe we just got them at the wrong time, we'll try again.

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                  2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

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                    Ruth Lafler RE: LAMark Nov 9, 2010 02:22 PM

                    Maybe the first batch they got in was sub-standard, but the ones they had yesterday were firm and glossy. At anyrate, I'm just glad that someone is distributing them to the West Coast -- if we buy them, then they'll send us more!

                    West Coast Cafe
                    466 San Mateo Ave, San Bruno, CA 94066

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                    pauliface RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 9, 2010 01:28 PM

                    Funny! I went to Berkeley Bowl for the first time the week before last. The produce blew me away in general, but it was the apple selection that imipressed me most. They must have had 12 kinds of apples I don't usually see. I bought a little selection and we had an apple tasting that night.

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                    2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

                    1. mamachef RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 14, 2010 09:15 AM

                      Too funny, Ruth. Mr. brought home a bag of the Macouons from the Bowl last week and asked me to make a pie. "Make a pie?" I says indignantly. "I think not!! These are extra special apples, suitable only for a delicious eating apple or a wonderful cheese plate!"
                      He looked so dejected and sad that I went and bought a bag of Pippins and made the dang pie.

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                        Ruth Lafler RE: mamachef Nov 14, 2010 09:27 AM

                        I made a crisp a couple of weeks ago and used a combination of apples (including Pippins) recommended by the apple grower; the combination was the best apple filling I've ever had, with a mixture of sweetness and tartness and textures.

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                          mamachef RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 15, 2010 05:02 AM

                          Ruth, if you feel like sharing, I'd love to know what blend you used. I'm always on the hunt for that perfect mixture, and would appreciate it. I know you know what you're doing in the old kitchen, so thanks for the help.

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                            Ruth Lafler RE: mamachef Nov 15, 2010 08:55 AM

                            I don't remember exactly. The grower said "two of those, two of those, two of those and two of those." I remember there were Pippins and Pink Ladies -- I think the other two maybe have been Golden Russets, and either Braeburn or Mutsu.

                            Mutsu Restaurant
                            279 Baldwin Ave, San Mateo, CA 94401

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                              mamachef RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 15, 2010 12:02 PM

                              Thank you Ruth. I'll give it a shot with the Braeburns and let you know how it goes.

                      2. escargot3 RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 19, 2010 02:01 PM

                        Got a bag of the macoun at the Bowl the other day and they got devoured in a minute.
                        They're fantastic. Thanks for posting!

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                          Ruth Lafler RE: escargot3 Nov 19, 2010 03:04 PM

                          I'll note, however, that the ones I got at BB West were as Gordon described: lots of micro bruises and were pretty mealy. A real difference from the ones I got at BB Original just a few days earlier.

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                            escargot3 RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 19, 2010 03:23 PM

                            i'm a BB original shopper. The macoun were amazingly flavorful and crisp, and beautiful as well. I never had 'em before.

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                              walker RE: escargot3 Nov 19, 2010 08:06 PM

                              I feel the produce at the original store is much better; I wonder why.

                              The new store is clean and beautiful but, because of quality of produce, I prefer the old store.

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                                oakjoan RE: walker Nov 19, 2010 08:37 PM

                                I prefer the old BB, too. Well, first of all it's closer to me, but I've gotten used to those crowded aisles and somewhat narrow aisles. Besides, I know where everything is and I can't reach the milk at BBWest. I have to ask a tall person to get it down for me. and I'm not that short. I've complained but nobody does anything about it. Sigh.

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                              gordon wing RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 20, 2010 08:10 AM

                              Ruth,Escargot&Walker thanks for mentioning the difference between the two Berkeley Bowls.
                              I'm closer to the new one but I may start looking around at the old Bowl again.

                              Berkeley Bowl
                              2020 Oregon St, Berkeley, CA 94703

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                                escargot3 RE: gordon wing Nov 21, 2010 10:34 AM

                                I suspect the same buyer is purchasing produce for both stores.

                                I shop at the one because I live nearby.

                          2. greygarious RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 21, 2010 11:10 AM

                            If the Macouns you see in CA were grown in the Northeast, they are a month past their prime. I live near Boston and watch for them every year, starting in late September. They appear between then and mid-October, and are only at their best for a couple of weeks. At their best, they are very juicy and sweet-tart, and exceptionally crisp. There is no finer eating apple. For pies, they need to be mixed with an apple that will stay firm, since Macouns collapse. Macoun applesauce is disappointingly watery.

                            Honeycrisps, I was told by a grower, must sit for some time after picking so their flavor develops. They hold their shape exceptionally well in a pie, and keep in the refrigerator for many weeks without loss of flavor or crispness.

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