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Indoor Venting of Electric Wall Oven

We just had installed a Kitchenaid double electric wall oven and are shocked that the oven vents into the room (our old wall oven had a vent to the outside, so the vent conduit is still there). I called Kitchenaid and they said the ovens all vent inside. Did a little on line reseach and inside-venting seems to be the standard for electric wall ovens.

What are we missing here? The oven is blowing hot air into the kitchen -- nice in the winter but not in the summer. Plus, what about those times we are broiling, etc. and smoke pours out? We had enough instances of pulling the battery from the smoke alarm even with our outside vent.

I was so excited to finally replace the 30-year old ovens, but now am bummed. Please tell us it won't be as bad to operate in the summer/broiling, as it seems to us now.

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  1. Do take the time to do some searches over at GardenWeb -- yes, they all vent indoors, and yes, nobody likes it.

    1. As someone with double electric wall ovens in Florida I can assure you they do have indoor venting and yes it's hell in the summer when the AC can barely keep the house below 80.

      1. Smoke? I was being told that there's a charcoal filter inside the oven that's supposed to filter out smoke and smell. It will not work well if things are burning inside (like going through a self-clean cycle), but it is definitely good enough for baking and broiling.

        As for heat... I wouldn't say my oven blows out "hot" air. It's more or less the same as what comes out from my house heating vent, maybe just a bit warmer?? I don't know, it has never bothered me. I actually quite enjoy standing in front of the oven.

        Though mine's not a KitchenAid. Maybe you have an option to get a charcoal filter installed?

        1. I'm glad I saw this thread. I have a 30 year old Thermador double electric wall oven which I'm looking to replace. This unit vents outside. I had a mishap with this oven a year ago when I accidentally placed a rubber lined steel bowl inside the oven, turned the oven on, and walked away. The thermostat did not trip and the oven was ruined. Toxic black smoke poured out of the outside vent for at least an hour as the oven cooled. I can't imagine what could have happened had this oven been vented indoors.

          1. This is probably the stupidest most illogical thing ever. Why in the world would you want to vent hot smoky smelly oven air BACK inside the house? Why is this the new standard? I just got my kitchen remodeled and we just found out that it does this after smelling awful fumes. What is wrong with American industries today...

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            1. re: takadi

              It is stupid and illogical, but considering that most people don't even vent a gas stove to the outside, what can we expect? An electric oven may put hot air and some smoke and oil particles back into the house, but a gas stove puts all that and more. And yet people think it's fine to have an over the stove microwave with that awful fan that recirculates the air right back into your face, after passing it through an absolutely useless filter.

              I'm blaming the consumer on this one. People buying houses and remodeling kitchens have not demanded ventilation. In fact, in many remodels, good ventilation is REMOVED and replaced with crap or nothing at all, in the name of style, space saving, whatever. If we all cooked more and understood the need for ventilation, and then demanded it, these products would not exist.

              1. re: MelMM

                What? Last time I checked, my gas range hood vents outside, not inside...who in the world would buy a hood that recycles air inside? That just boggles the mind.

                I can understand how American consumers cooking less would lead to less quality in related products, but it is just common sense to have vents leading outside instead of back into the house, *especially* with an oven. My oven vents during baking, not just during cooling, so imagine blowing hot air into the house during the summer.

                1. re: takadi

                  >>>>>who in the world would buy a hood that recycles air inside? That just boggles the mind.<<<<<<

                  Hate to break the bad news to you, but I would hazard a guess that 90%+ of hoods installed in the US today vent inside, most of them being the microwave/hood combo type. And many kitchens don't even have that much venting.

                  Very few people these days do "serious" cooking (as it might be defined by those who post on Chowhound), and don't perceive they need vents. I suspect that very very few houses built today, and zero apartments, are equipped with ductwork to vent a stove outside, let alone an oven. Such "hidden" features don't pass the cost test -- buyers and renters are more interested in looks than function, and how cheap they can get it for.

                  Truth is, few home ovens today are used for cooking anything that might emit smoke other than the Thanksgiving turkey, and most people cook those at the low temperature that is recommended on the package which is too low to cause much smoking, which is why it is recommended in the first place although they don't tell you that. I'm willing to bet that 95% of ovens are never set higher than 375, and when they are set there it is to make cakes and cookies, for which venting smoke isn't really an issue. And few people do much baking during the summer, especially in Florida, or even in winter. "Pick something up at the Publix, honey."

                  1. re: johnb

                    Yup, that's it. The problem is, there are people becoming interested in cooking, who did not grow up with ventilation and still do not understand the importance of it. And even if someone's cooking is not producing smoke, they still need ventilation, they just may not realize it. Particles from cooking can still degrade air quality even if one does not perceive smoke. This is especially true with gas stoves, but it really does apply across the board. So the scary thing now is that we have people cooking in their homes with no ventilation (venting to the inside counts as no ventilation, imho), and not really even aware that they have a problem. And we even have people remodeling, and "improving", their kitchens, and removing existing ventilation in the process, because they don't understand how important it is. And many of these people DO cook.

            2. Can anyone recommend a powerful flush mount ceiling exhaust. I have the same problem

              1. I have an old old Thermador wall oven. It has no vents what so ever. It makes very little heat out side the oven. I comment to my wife every time she uses it (is it on there's no heat) Even after we turn it off it doesn't give off very little heat. There is another post of a similar oven giving off smoke every time she cooks a chicken. How ever the way she cooks it is with the chicken suspended and the grease dropping on to a hot pan. I think that's her problem. I like my oven but the wife doesn't because she has so much trouble controlling the temperature and burns things. We still don't get noticeable smoke.

                1. For what it's worth, I have the KA wall oven/microwave stack. It also vents from the front.

                  I live in Los Angeles -- where it gets HOT -- and I have a 3yo grandson who runs around the house at about the level of the vent. It's never really been a problem. The air that gets vented isn't all that hot 6" away and the smells that emerge with the heat are wonderful. Part of the sensory fun of food if you ask me. ; >

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                  1. re: rainey

                    I actually know someone named Rainey in Tarentum, Pa
                    I am looking for a good used oven because my wife doesn't like the way the thermostat treats her badly. I noticed the vents on one for sale and Googled a search to learn more. I know every holiday my mothers kitchen got hot by the gas oven. My old, old, old, unvented electric Thermador the kitchen does does not heat up near as much.

                    1. re: HarryJoe

                      Another Rainey? Really?

                      There are a few of us tho I can remember being well into my 30s before I encountered another one and it was pretty shocking at that point. ; >

                      Is hers short for Lorraine? Mine is. I much prefer Rainey.

                      I had Thermador appliances when we bought this house. Possibly my happiest day here was when we replaced them.

                      1. re: rainey

                        I don't know her that well so, I don't know her full name.
                        Yes I saw other people in the forums didn't like thermador either.

                  2. I have asked a kitchen designer, a very savvy hardware store owner, and a contractor. No one came up with a really good answer. The contractor suggested getting a ceiling fan and running it in reverse so the hot air will be pulled up towards the ceiling and away from the kitchen table. With the double hung windows one open at top, the other pen at the bottom maybe that will work next summer to help the hot air out. I also intend to look at restaurant kitchen ceiling vents. I have a single story home, could install a ceiling vent to the outside.

                    1. All the new Kitchenaide (and other brands) blow hot air, smoke and smells into the kitchen. I just bought a new Kitchenaide slide in electric range/oven and was horrified to learn this. So, it is not just yours; it is all of them. And, holey moley... apparently NEVER use the self clean feature unless you want to fry the electronics!
                      I have always had Kitchenaide with none of these problems.
                      What designer ever thought venting into your house was a good idea??? And even if you don't blow out your electronics on self clean, I read you have to vacate your house, pets and all because of the amount of fumes vented into your home.. Talk about going back to the stone age! Wish I had never upgraded from my old and still working Kitchenaide to this new practically unusable oven. It was a lot of money to not be able to comfortably use an appliance at best, and blow it up at worst. One big costly mistake if you ask me.
                      So far (only used for a month tho) my other Kitchenaide appliances work... and the over range microwave actually vents outside! If they do that, why not for the oven? Looking to send this back if possible and find something else that will let me actually stay inside while I cook!.