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Cooks Source Magazine's insanity

Firegoat Nov 4, 2010 11:46 AM

http://www.smartbitchestrashybooks.co...

I don't even have words for this one yet.

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    ferret RE: Firegoat Nov 4, 2010 01:25 PM

    Much ado about nothing? By the way, everyone should be on the lookout for the publication of my new book, "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer." I'll be following it up with a sea-going tale "Moby Dick." This authoring thing is easier than I thought.

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      small h RE: Firegoat Nov 4, 2010 06:30 PM

      Hoo, boy. Writing on the web is not "public domain," as alanbarnes explains here:

      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7442...

      I write for a website, and a couple of years ago a new editor decided to start re-posting some of my old stuff under her own name, perhaps thinking I wouldn't notice, or care. I noticed and cared, and she is no longer employed at the site. I have no idea whether that was the result of my shit fit, but I like to think it was at least a contributing factor.

      The Cook's Source website is down. I hope it stays down.

      1. goodhealthgourmet RE: Firegoat Nov 4, 2010 06:36 PM

        Alexandra Petri, one of the WaPo opinion writers, had a little fun with it:

        http://voices.washingtonpost.com/comp...

        quite a response on the Cooks Source FB page as well:

        http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cooks-S...

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          trolley RE: goodhealthgourmet Nov 4, 2010 10:17 PM

          the FB comments are HYSTERICAL!

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            Firegoat RE: trolley Nov 5, 2010 03:22 AM

            They get more and more hilarious. I almost, but not quite, feel bad for them.

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            nofunlatte RE: goodhealthgourmet Nov 5, 2010 04:45 AM

            The FB comments had me chuckling for part of the afternoon yesterday, which is why I've still got a stack of grading to finish today!

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              goodhealthgourmet RE: goodhealthgourmet Nov 5, 2010 08:54 AM

              yeah, i needed to go to bed so i couldn't read them all last night. should be good for an afternoon chuckle break later :)

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                Ruth Lafler RE: goodhealthgourmet Nov 5, 2010 01:21 PM

                That washington post blog is the best yet.

              2. Breadcrumbs RE: Firegoat Nov 5, 2010 04:30 AM

                There have been recent discussions here on Chowhound about food bloggers that regularly lift content as well. I wonder whether any of this publicity will give them pause for concern.

                I read the following piece on copyright infringement with interest:

                http://howpublishingreallyworks.com/?...

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                  Ruth Lafler RE: Breadcrumbs Nov 5, 2010 01:27 PM

                  The reason that Cooks Source could be in real trouble is that it is an "ad-driven, newsstand-distributed, for-profit magazine," which means they are exploiting other people's work for commercial purposes. Some blogger lifts your content and although it's illegal and unethical, there are no concrete damages and the best you can do is get them to take it off their site, but this could bankrupt the magazine, not to mention that the editor has now shown herself to be a total idiot who if any prospective employer bothers to google her will never have a job in publishing (or maybe anything else) again.

                2. carswell RE: Firegoat Nov 5, 2010 09:27 AM

                  Another report and more instances of plagiarism by Cooks Source:
                  http://www.edrants.com/the-cooks-sour...

                  1. Sooeygun RE: Firegoat Nov 5, 2010 10:18 AM

                    A FB page listing articles and sources as they turn up

                    http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid...

                    Including a mention of chow

                    1. damonster RE: Firegoat Nov 5, 2010 01:15 PM

                      The comments have taken on a life of their own and are pretty funny

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                        Ruth Lafler RE: damonster Nov 5, 2010 01:19 PM

                        The comments are way better and smarter than the magazine!

                      2. Caitlin McGrath RE: Firegoat Nov 5, 2010 03:27 PM

                        Apparently, the same editor has other magazines (about non-food subjects). I imagine they will now be getting the same close scrutiny, given that people are identifying dozens of lifted-verbatim apparent and confirmed copyright infringements, from both bloggers and mainstream magazines in Cooks Source alone.

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                          Ruth Lafler RE: Caitlin McGrath Nov 5, 2010 03:47 PM

                          It boggles the mind that an "editor" with several magazines is so completely clueless about copyright law. It's a by-product of the digital age where anyone can set herself up as a publisher without the slightest bit of training or oversight.

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                            goodhealthgourmet RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 5, 2010 03:52 PM

                            i'm not so sure she's really that clueless about the law. my guess is that she knew exactly what she was doing, and is just stupid enough to believe she could get away with it.

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                              trolley RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 6, 2010 09:12 AM

                              what's even more boggling is that she shows 0% remorse for what she's done. instead, she's condescending and looks down on everyone else. i think that's what really gets people and had she been apologetic, then it would probably have died as quickly as it surfaced. i think she likes the attention as well. clearly suffers from NPD. sad for bloggers that people like her exist.

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                                coney with everything RE: trolley Nov 8, 2010 06:23 AM

                                She is a piece of work, isn't she.

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                            LauraGrace RE: Firegoat Nov 5, 2010 05:51 PM

                            https://spreadsheets.google.com/lv?ke......

                            Sweet benevolent Cthulhu. 136 (allegedly) lifted articles/recipes and counting.

                            1. Firegoat RE: Firegoat Nov 6, 2010 04:33 AM

                              Wow, the stuff on FB still hasn't stopped on ANY of their what, 3 pages now?

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                                small h RE: Firegoat Nov 10, 2010 04:28 PM

                                To the list of things Cooks (sic) Source does not understand how to do (honor copyrights, pay writers, practice damage control), we can now add - issue apologies. WTF is this?

                                http://www.cookssource.com/

                                It is not an apology. It *is* a festival of lame excuses employing terrible grammar, but I expected no less. My favorite part is the whining about their Facebook page being "hacked," which I believe the editor thinks is the term for "a lot of people posted negative comments on our wall." My second favorite part is the complaint about others using "Cooks Source issues and photos...without our knowledge or consent." Because yes! That is an awful thing to do. What sort of miserable, clueless, immoral organization would do such a thing? Oh, wait.

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                                  Ruth Lafler RE: small h Nov 10, 2010 06:59 PM

                                  LOL! What a collection of self-serving half-truths.

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                                    Ruth Lafler RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 10, 2010 10:40 PM

                                    Here's a comment from the Facebook page that's devoted to documenting and reporting all the other stories whose copyrights they violated: Ashley Grubb writes "...
                                    We're up to, what, entry number 165 on that spreadsheet? That ain't the result of a "tired, overworked staff" making an "oversight." This is a veritable deluge of plagiarized writings and photos, and I'm wallowing in the Schadenfreude like a pig wallows in muck!"

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                                    trolley RE: small h Nov 10, 2010 07:12 PM

                                    hacking? is she serious? terrible and lame!

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                                      carswell RE: small h Nov 10, 2010 09:48 PM

                                      «We have cancelled our Facebook page on Thursday, November 4th, 2010 at 6:00PM.»

                                      And Judith Griggs has the temerity to call herself a copy editor? Four errors in the first sentence alone: (1) the present perfect ("have cancelled") instead of the simple past ("cancelled"); (2) an ordinal number (November 4th, 2010) in the date instead of a cardinal number (November 4, 2010); (3) the missing comma after the year; (4) the missing space between 6:00 and PM (not to mention that the latter is usually written "p.m.").

                                      The hacking allegation is ludicrous. They're digging themselves in deeper. If the magazine doesn't ax its current management team, it deserves to die.

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                                        yfunk3 RE: carswell Nov 11, 2010 05:08 AM

                                        Not that I'd ever defend this clearly reprehensible person for a minute, but it IS entirely possible (as said in the horribly-written "apology") that someone hacked into her Facebook account and started responding under that account, pretending to be the editor.

                                        Will refrain from repeating any instant karma-related comments about the hacking or severe backlash she rightfully received, though. :o)

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                                          carswell RE: yfunk3 Nov 11, 2010 08:37 AM

                                          Yes, it's possible to hack into a Facebook account. In this case, however, the hacking claim appears to be an outright lie. See, for example, http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid...

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                                            yfunk3 RE: carswell Nov 11, 2010 07:21 PM

                                            Oh, I haven't been reading the FB page, just a blog post here or there and this thread, so I didn't know she was lying even more. Whoops.

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                                      small h RE: Firegoat Nov 16, 2010 02:44 PM

                                      Presented without comment. Because it would just be too easy.

                                      http://www.cookssource.com/

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                                        LauraGrace RE: small h Nov 16, 2010 02:49 PM

                                        Holy jeez.

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                                          small h RE: LauraGrace Nov 16, 2010 02:58 PM

                                          Is it possible that this is not truly the work of Ms. Griggs, but of an actual hacker? I would sort of like to think so. Only because I don't want my faith in humanity shaken any further. And my eyes hurt from rolling.

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                                            Ruth Lafler RE: small h Nov 16, 2010 03:23 PM

                                            Sounds like her (except the grammar is a bit better than some of her earlier posts). But she still -- STILL -- thinks that anything that's "free" is public domain. Just because someone sends you a book doesn't mean you can reprint more than a properly attributed "fair use" excerpt. And even if Monica hadn't specifically indicated that her article was copyrighted, it was still copyrighted! Poor Judith -- she has enough time to rewrite Monica's article, but not enough time to ask her permission.

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                                              small h RE: Ruth Lafler Nov 16, 2010 03:33 PM

                                              I hereby renege on my promise to present without comment. But I am simply astonished that one of Griggs' complaints is that Gaudio didn't give Griggs "a chance to respond." Doesn't Griggs' first snotty brush-off count as a response? If I get a snotty brush-off from someone, how long am I obligated to wait before concluding that hey, I've been snottily brushed off? Seriously, this could come up for me at some point. I'd like to know what the rules are.

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                                              LauraGrace RE: small h Nov 16, 2010 03:24 PM

                                              I would sort of like to think so too! But if not, hoooooo BOY, that is some bad writing.

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                                                small h RE: LauraGrace Nov 16, 2010 03:33 PM

                                                And this from a woman who wanted kudos for cleaning up someone else's (according to her) sub-par piece. Maybe she's possessed.

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                                                  ratbuddy RE: LauraGrace Nov 16, 2010 03:41 PM

                                                  Think I'm gonna fix it up, post it on my site, and send her an invoice.

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                                                    small h RE: ratbuddy Nov 16, 2010 03:43 PM

                                                    She can then use it for her portfolio! You, sir or madam, are a giver.

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                                            small h RE: Firegoat Nov 22, 2010 02:49 PM

                                            And...scene.

                                            http://www.boston.com/ae/celebrity/ar...
                                            http://www.pcworld.com/article/211419...

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