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hlsess Nov 3, 2010 05:00 AM

I am not a wine drinker but I am having a small girl's group- I asked a few friends and here is what i bought- Bogle- cabernet sauvignon , Vendage Chardonnay, and Yellow Tail Pinot Grigio- I want to have something that is good but not the best and not the worst- any opinions??

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  1. invinotheresverde RE: hlsess Nov 3, 2010 08:05 AM

    Dump the PG. Yellow Tail is a crappy producer and PG, in general, is a crappy variety. The Bogle is passable. Never heard of Vendage.

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    1. re: invinotheresverde
      ChefJune RE: invinotheresverde Nov 3, 2010 10:00 AM

      I agree, the Bogle should be drinkable. Maybe the Vendange. But I'd have to be dying of thirst in the desert before I'd drink anything made by Yellowtail. Think of alcoholic Mountain Dew...... 8-(

      1. re: invinotheresverde
        Bill Hunt RE: invinotheresverde Nov 4, 2010 09:09 PM

        I forget who does the Vendage, but it was the wine of Southwest Airlines, and barely drinkable - harsh, unbalanced and not worth the calories, IMHO.


      2. SteveTimko RE: hlsess Nov 3, 2010 09:13 AM

        Yellowtail is a huge importer of wine into the United States and got successful by making wines the masses -- but not necessarily wine geeks -- like. Cheap cabernet sauvignon is seldom good, but wine growers are hurting badly and wine that used to go into mid-priced cuvees is turning up in low-priced bottles. Bogle old vine zinfandel is cheap and usually da bomb. Vendange is part of the Constellation group of wines. I usually see their wines in one-liter bottles.
        I'm guessing the Yellow Tail will be a crowd pleaser.
        For the typical person who posts on this board I don't think any of the wines will reach the level of good.

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          dinwiddie RE: hlsess Nov 3, 2010 10:15 AM

          As most of the posters have said, none of them will please the typical wine affectionado on these boards. Bogle Cab is probably not that good, but you never know since Bogle sources whatever bulk wines are available to bottle. Cheap Cabs are not the best, but depending on the year, they could be good. (or adequate) recent vintages of Napa Cabs have been good, so there was a lot of good bulk Cab available. Yellow Tail is a huge Australian producer, and I've never had a good Aussie Pinot Grigio. But, for non wine experts (i.e., just the girls) it could be OK. Vendage is another bulk producer, mainly known for jug wines (i.e., 1.5 liters of average wines) and again hit or miss. Actually, you probably would have been better off if you got a Vendage Pinot Grigio and a Yellow Tail Chard.

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          1. re: dinwiddie
            hlsess RE: dinwiddie Nov 3, 2010 11:23 AM

            thanks-I ma thinking it'll be fine- it's for a jewelry show and most will only have one glass-

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            hlsess RE: hlsess Nov 5, 2010 04:45 AM

            All 3 wines were fine and so inexpensive!! And I sold lotsof jewelry and got 650 in free jewelry!

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            1. re: hlsess
              RicRios RE: hlsess Nov 5, 2010 08:26 AM

              "il fine giustifica i mezzi"

              Niccolò Piero Machiavelli

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              Gnoop RE: hlsess Nov 5, 2010 02:14 PM

              Might consider a Bogle Petite Sirah. Even the wine geeks are picking some up as daily drinkers.

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              1. re: Gnoop
                Val RE: Gnoop Nov 8, 2010 03:55 PM

                The Bogle PS gets very good scores and has for a while now! For $10, very good tasting!

              2. Chinon00 RE: hlsess Nov 8, 2010 04:24 PM

                Will your friends know the difference?

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                1. re: Chinon00
                  redmeatfan RE: Chinon00 Nov 9, 2010 10:41 AM

                  No they won't which is a shame but if you swallow any wine without smelling or moving it around in your mouth they all lack taste. This is why Pinot Grigio is popular from Italy as it has a little more taste than mineral water sometimes less.

                  1. re: redmeatfan
                    ChefJune RE: redmeatfan Nov 11, 2010 12:21 PM

                    There are actually a few Pinot grigios that are quite good, but they are not the mass-priduced, heavily marketed, available in supermarket ones...

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                      PolarBear RE: ChefJune Nov 15, 2010 02:36 PM

                      While tasting our way through the Wine Ghetto in Lompoc on Saturday we were told that a new completely different style of PG would be released next year, iirc, from Mark Cargasacchi, owner/winemaker at Jalama Winery.

                      1. re: PolarBear
                        Bill Hunt RE: PolarBear Nov 15, 2010 03:52 PM

                        I'll keep my eyes open for that. I have been very underwhelmed with PG, and that includes some rather high-end ones from Italy.

                        Going back a bit, the King Estate Reserve (only their Reserve), was the only one to really do much for me.

                        Had a Croatian PG recently, and it was very interesting, but could only score 2 btls. of it. On second & third tasting, I wondered what I thought I had found earlier on, as they were rather insipid. Maybe just a varietal, that I should avoid, but I want to find a good one.


                        1. re: Bill Hunt
                          zin1953 RE: Bill Hunt Nov 15, 2010 07:24 PM

                          Do you feel the same way about Alsatian Pinot Gris?

                          1. re: zin1953
                            Bill Hunt RE: zin1953 Nov 15, 2010 07:35 PM

                            I have not had any that moved me. Now, some Alsatian PB's have.


                            1. re: Bill Hunt
                              SteveTimko RE: Bill Hunt Nov 15, 2010 08:33 PM

                              Try Weinbach and Boxler.
                              Also, out of the Alto Adige, try Elena Walch and Alois Lageder.

                              1. re: SteveTimko
                                ChefJune RE: SteveTimko Nov 16, 2010 07:08 AM

                                Pinot Grigios from the Alto Adige have more body than others I've tried. They are not always "more expensive." Maybe it's the colder temperature that contributes to the better flavor profile. It's still not my favorite white grape variety, though, by a longshot!

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                                  catspercapita RE: ChefJune Nov 19, 2010 04:27 AM

                                  I also vote for Alto Adige PG's. Nice body and flavor.

                          2. re: Bill Hunt
                            Vetter RE: Bill Hunt Nov 18, 2010 05:53 PM

                            Funny you mention King Estate. I was just thinking about Helvetia's (west of PDX) pinot gris. Some years, it's like a grapefruit party. Other years it's a brilliant green apple. Never boring. Love that stuff.

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                    Littleman RE: hlsess Nov 18, 2010 03:24 PM

                    Yellowtail is absolutely not worthy of drinking...............

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