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A question about blue cheese..

Michelly Oct 21, 2010 06:00 PM

I don't eat blue cheese; it's just something I don't like, but I was curious.....how do you tell if your blue cheese has gone bad?

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  1. steakman55 RE: Michelly Oct 21, 2010 06:09 PM

    You will know...it takes on an entirely different odor

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      alanbarnes RE: steakman55 Oct 22, 2010 03:24 PM

      +1. And that odor has a name - ammonia.

      When your cheese smells more like a cleaning product than a foodstuff, it's gone bad.

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        Veggo RE: alanbarnes Oct 22, 2010 03:35 PM

        A hint of ammonia in a brie or camembert? Pass it my way.

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          alanbarnes RE: Veggo Oct 22, 2010 03:44 PM

          If it's just a hint, I'll keep it for myself. But once the fumes start removing grime from nearby windows, it's all yours.

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            Veggo RE: alanbarnes Oct 22, 2010 03:50 PM

            I can overlook a little NH3 in my cheese, and it helps keep my teeth nice and white.

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              ZenSojourner RE: alanbarnes Oct 22, 2010 09:31 PM

              Give over! I'll just leave it in the house and come home to clean windows and a fully exterminated apartment!

        2. re: steakman55
          cookie monster RE: steakman55 Oct 22, 2010 03:51 PM

          And appearance. Like fuzzy gray spots on the outer surface that definitely weren't there when you bought it.

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            Veggo RE: cookie monster Oct 22, 2010 03:56 PM

            That's usually harmless mold that can be cut away.

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              cookie monster RE: Veggo Oct 22, 2010 06:56 PM

              Really? My understanding was that blue cheese falls into the "soft cheese" category where cutting away the mold is not the best idea (unlike parmesan, cheddar, etc., where I follow that practice regularly).

              1. re: cookie monster
                Veggo RE: cookie monster Oct 22, 2010 07:18 PM

                The "good" mold in blues is generally mature when you purchase it, most dense of course where the culture was introduced or injected. Fuzzy spots that appeared after I bought it may be unwelcome interlopers I would cut away. What is the best idea?

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          jhopp217 RE: Michelly Oct 22, 2010 07:32 AM

          It never lasts long enough in my fridge for me to experience this. I could eat bleu cheese on almost anything.

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            EWSflash RE: jhopp217 Oct 22, 2010 08:09 AM

            Same here. A long time ago I dated a guy that would make pasta gorgonzola, and back in the day gorgonzola was fairly hard to find, I think a few times the gorgonzola he got was reeeeeeally close to being the next iteration of whatever it was becoming. It always tasted fabulous, though, and never made me sick.

            1. re: EWSflash
              jhopp217 RE: EWSflash Oct 23, 2010 08:55 AM

              I can eat any kind of bleu. Funny you mention the hard to find aspect. Now it seems it's in half the salads on any menu. MY personal fave is a good strong English Stilton, but it tends to overpower anything it might be matched with.

          2. Veggo RE: Michelly Oct 22, 2010 08:13 AM

            The green slime...the turbocharged flavor...yum!

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              EWSflash RE: Veggo Oct 22, 2010 01:13 PM

              But does that necessarily make it bad?

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                Veggo RE: EWSflash Oct 22, 2010 03:00 PM

                No, I meant what I said. This cheese mouse loves extremely ripened cheeses.

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                  c oliver RE: Veggo Oct 22, 2010 07:29 PM


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                    AllNatural RE: Veggo Jan 31, 2011 12:02 PM

                    +2- The riper, the better!

              2. Chinon00 RE: Michelly Oct 22, 2010 04:16 PM

                To the OP please allow an attempt at a conversion. Have you ever tried blue cheese crumbled on a Belgian endive leaf with walnut and a dollop of honey? Please do and get back to us.

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                  Michelly RE: Chinon00 Oct 26, 2010 07:56 PM

                  Ok, I'll give it a try. Any suggestions as to a MILD, beginner's brand?

                  1. re: Michelly
                    ZenSojourner RE: Michelly Oct 26, 2010 08:05 PM

                    I like bleu cheese dressing with carrots and celery, but can't say as I care for it "au natural". I usually just buy whatever they have already crumbled up in the deli, since I'm just slapping it together with sour cream and mayo to make the dressing.

                    I've often wondered how to tell if LIMBURGER's gone off.

                    1. re: Michelly
                      alanbarnes RE: Michelly Oct 26, 2010 08:27 PM

                      Try Cambazola. It's not very interesting, but it's incredibly mild - like blue cheese with training wheels. From there, Saga Blue is an easy step. Then maybe Point Reyes Blue or a young Stilton or Gorgonzola Dolce. If you enjoy those, you can move to the hard stuff.

                      1. re: alanbarnes
                        c oliver RE: alanbarnes Oct 26, 2010 08:30 PM

                        Good recommedation. Never met anyone who didn't like it, including me. Saute some mushrooms in butter til deeply browned. At the end, sprinkle some Cambazola over, let melt, serve with a steak.

                        1. re: c oliver
                          divadmas RE: c oliver Oct 26, 2010 09:19 PM

                          blue cheese on crackers w strong red wine.
                          had some leftover potsticker wrappers, stuffed w blue cheese and fried.
                          on pizza w grapes, carmalized onion, italian sausage.

                          1. re: c oliver
                            mamachef RE: c oliver Oct 26, 2010 11:09 PM

                            This sounds delicious, c oliver. You've got me salivating. Do you use any herbs with your mushrooms?

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                              c oliver RE: mamachef Oct 27, 2010 07:33 AM

                              This is Bob's specialty. He sprinkles some granulated garlic over, gets them almost crispy. Herbs sound good. I've got some mushrooms and some thyme in the fridge. Gonna try that.

                          2. re: alanbarnes
                            goodhealthgourmet RE: alanbarnes Jan 30, 2011 07:02 PM

                            agree that Cambazola is a good place to start.and i'd add Fourme D'Ambert & Bleu de Bresse to the "next step" list.

                          3. re: Michelly
                            Chinon00 RE: Michelly Oct 27, 2010 05:07 AM

                            The key I find for some is to balance the strong blue cheese flavor with a sweet component like honey, preserves, etc.

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                              c oliver RE: Chinon00 Oct 27, 2010 07:34 AM

                              Honeycomb is good also.

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                                julesincoq RE: c oliver Oct 27, 2010 03:40 PM

                                Yes yes honeycomb is awesome. My all time fav though is any blue cheese with ripe pear. Give me cheese and pear and a glass of wine and I call it dinner. :-)

                            2. re: Michelly
                              cheesemaestro RE: Michelly Oct 27, 2010 08:09 AM

                              While I'm not a believer that people need to learn to like foods that they are naturally averse to, if you want to try, the least blue of blue cheeses is probably Montbriac, sometimes also called Roche Baron. It's a creamy French cheese with a few small flecks of blue in the paste.

                              After that, the German cheeses Cambozola and Montagnolo Blue and the Danish cheeses Saga and Blue Castello. These are all Brie types with blueing. Montagnolo and Blue Castello are triple cremes, i.e., they have an especially high butterfat content that helps to cut the pungency of the blue mold. As alanbarnes notes, Gorgonzola Dolce would also be on the mild side. Be sure you look specifically for the Dolce, as there are two kinds of Gorgonzola: Dolce and Piccante (also called Naturale), The Piccante is much stronger.

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                                Perilagu Khan RE: cheesemaestro Oct 27, 2010 09:13 AM

                                And what are the strongest blues? Stilton, of course, but what else?

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                                  cheesemaestro RE: Perilagu Khan Oct 27, 2010 09:26 AM

                                  Cabrales is the strongest blue I know. The blueing is so bitey that even some blue cheese lovers shun it. Valdeon is a similar Spanish blue that is somewhat less intense, but still on the strong side. Roquefort certainly also qualifies as a formidable blue. I would consider all of these cheeses to be stronger in blue "power" than Stilton. As for US cheeses, look for Caveman Blue from Rogue Creamery in Oregon.

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                                    Perilagu Khan RE: cheesemaestro Oct 27, 2010 10:00 AM

                                    Interesting. I love both Roquefort and Stilton, but always thought the latter was a bit more powerful than the former.

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                                    alanbarnes RE: Perilagu Khan Oct 27, 2010 10:05 AM

                                    Stilton isn't particularly strong. Roquefort can be up there. From here in the US, Maytag Blue has a nice bite. But gotta agree with cheesemaestro - if you want something that'll make your eyes water, a ripe Cabrales is the way to go.

                                    1. re: alanbarnes
                                      c oliver RE: alanbarnes Oct 27, 2010 02:08 PM

                                      Interesting. I've also thought Stilton wasn't all that strong. I haven't (yet) had Cabrales.

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                                        julesincoq RE: c oliver Oct 27, 2010 03:41 PM

                                        The strongest blue I ever had was a Spanish one called Valdeon. It is all blue - no white bits at all. It almost seems to hurt my mouth when I eat it but I like it.

                                  3. re: cheesemaestro
                                    cfrivera1 RE: cheesemaestro Jan 30, 2011 06:27 PM

                                    I absolutely adore Montbriac, but have been unable to find it anywhere!! Not online, not at the local artisan cheese stores (Minneapolis), not anywhere, and it is driving me crazy. I have managed to find Cambozola, and it is the closest to Montbriac, but do you have any ideas where I can potentially find rochebaron? Thanks!

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                                      cheesemaestro RE: cfrivera1 Jan 31, 2011 10:23 AM

                                      I haven't seen Montbriac/Rochebaron in a while. It was relatively easy to find a couple of years ago. Like you, I wasn't able to come up with an online vendor that currently has it in stock. I'd wait a couple of months and check again.

                              2. FoodFuser RE: Michelly Oct 26, 2010 10:14 PM

                                I consider it pristine
                                'till the ammoniates go crystalline.

                                If your bleu cheese has crunchies,
                                that surmount even munchies

                                There's good chance the cheese
                                has probably gone bad.

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                                1. re: FoodFuser
                                  ZenSojourner RE: FoodFuser Oct 26, 2010 10:17 PM

                                  "It's jazzy and I like the beat. I give it an 8"

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                                    FoodFuser RE: ZenSojourner Oct 26, 2010 11:24 PM

                                    My point exactly, to give it an ate.
                                    If it hasn't sure gone south, then don't hesitate.

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                                      ZenSojourner RE: FoodFuser Oct 26, 2010 11:47 PM

                                      *surrenders to the master*

                                2. pdxgastro RE: Michelly Oct 27, 2010 10:29 AM

                                  I cut my blue cheese teeth on Dolcelatte. Very creamy and mild. I now like all blue cheeses.

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