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Joel Robuchon vs Caprice

micheniche Oct 20, 2010 08:53 PM

Hello Chowhounders, I'm heading to Hong Kong next year. I am deciding between Robuchon and Caprice. Which one do you guys prefer?

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    klyeoh RE: micheniche Oct 21, 2010 02:50 AM

    L'Atelier de Joel Robuchon was great, too, but given the choice of only one, I'd definitely go for Caprice: nicer view (Victoria Harbor vs block of skyscrapers in Central) and grander ambience. The food at Caprice is about the same standard as L'Atelier, IMO, but then, I had dined in L'Ateliers in Paris, London, Tokyo & Taipei and, after a while, they all seemed the same, so Caprice's cuisine was definitely more interesting to me.

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      Charles Yu RE: klyeoh Oct 21, 2010 05:52 AM

      Second Caprice! Great food, great service AND great view! What more does one ask for?!

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        TomEatsHK RE: Charles Yu Oct 23, 2010 12:45 AM

        Are Caprice HK and Caprice London linked in any way?

        I've not been to the Caprice here yet. As an aside I would cheekily say neither.

        French food in France. As Klyeoh said you really can get Robuchon anywhere (though I still prefer the Paris one) and Caprice I suspect might be very good more of the same...

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          klyeoh RE: TomEatsHK Oct 23, 2010 03:13 AM

          No, Caprice in HK is owned/managed by Four Seasons Hotel HK itself and is not related to Le Caprice in Arlington House, London.

          I first went to Caprice HK because I was curious about their "cheese sommelier", recommending choices from their huge variety of cheeses - I was a sucker for novelty at the time :-D
          But afterwards, I was really taken in by the marvellous ambience, the nice views and the rather classic & well-executed French cuisine ( I much preferred Caprice HK's classics over Pierre's abstract-modernist cooking style over at the Mandarin Oriental HK).

          Le Caprice in London strikes me as a traditional old-school Franco-Italian spot - it does feel quite special despite its 2-hour-limit dining slot! My fave French spot in London at the moment is undoubtedly Alain Ducasse at the Dorchester - absolutely divine!

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            Charles Yu RE: klyeoh Oct 23, 2010 04:59 PM

            Wow! You have eaten at the Michelin 3* AD at the Dor.,!! Lucky you! I always wanted to give it a try and see how that compares with his Louis XV in Monte Carlo and the one in Paris' Plaza Athenee? Heard, of all his 3 stars, the Dorchester outpost has the most 'modern twist'?! How does Ducasse 3* compares with Gordon Ramsey's 3*??!

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              klyeoh RE: Charles Yu Oct 23, 2010 11:27 PM

              Charles, when I last dined at Alain Ducasse in Dec 2008, it was only rated 1-Michelin star, and I'd written then about how it's actually better than 2-Michelin-star rated restaurants in San Francisco which I'd tried that same year:
              Glad to see that Michelin had rectified the situation & given Alain Ducasse the much-deserved 3rd star this year. The Alain Ducasse I experience at the Dorchester at the time served classical French dishes, unlike Ducasse in New York (bleah!!).

              I didn't have as good an experience at Gordon Ramsay's at 68 Royal Hospital Rd that same year (oh, how I missed Pierre Koffmann's superb La Tante Claire when it was on that site!). As usual, I don't blog about disappointing dining experiences, only good ones.

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                micheniche RE: klyeoh Oct 25, 2010 06:12 PM

                Thank you guys. This is really important for me at it is to celebrate my 21st birthday. :D My parents ask me to decide between both. I guess it has to be Caprice then. :D

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                  klyeoh RE: micheniche Oct 25, 2010 07:06 PM

                  An advance 21st birthday wishes, micheniche. Trust you'll enjoy Caprice as much as many of us Chowhounds did!

                  I still remembered celebrating my 21st - a quarter of a century ago - in a tiny German restaurant in Heidelberg, having my first ever Sauerbraten. Some experiences stay with you for a lifetime :-)

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                    Charles Yu RE: micheniche Oct 25, 2010 08:32 PM

                    Micheniche! Michelin 3* for your 21st! Wow!! Enjoy! For sure your birthday will be a Happy One!! Be sure to reserve a 'WINDOW TABLE'!!!!

                    klyeoh, .for my 21st, a little MORE than a quarter century ago, my father treated me to an Italian meal at La Terrazza in Soho, London. White building at the corner of Old Compton Street. At that time, best Italian in town, packed every night! Line up onto the street! I had the Prosciutto de Parma with Melon, Spaghetti a la Vongole and a huge Bistecca a la Fiorentina! Vert typical Italian! But damn good!! Nowadays, I'll be hard pressed to finish off just the T-bone steak! They also have ' stuffed crab claws'! which I found most interesting, since I thought only us Chinese do that dish?!

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                      TomEatsHK RE: Charles Yu Oct 27, 2010 03:52 AM

                      Charles - Interestingly I think I went there many a year ago for my 18th birthday. I have vague memories of a media-ish restaurant in Soho which my mother took me too and which I loved. Fairly sure it isn't there any more though (which is in some ways good because it keeps the meal special).

                      On the Caprice info - thanks all for the info. Despite some recently negative reviews I am going to give AD at the Dorchester a go when I am back in London in November. i have to say I am more excited about the Ledbury though.

                      Finally - congratulations on your 21st. Despite my comment on France for French food I have to say big French restaurants are probably a perfect choice for such an event. Guarantee good service, wine and experience. Enjoy!

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                        Charles Yu RE: TomEatsHK Oct 27, 2010 06:58 AM

                        Wow! Small world.Yes! I tried Google search for it and found it no longer exist. Pity!
                        Looking at your profile looks like we have a lot of common 'chow' places and interests!
                        I usually arrange a 'chowmeet' for chowhounders every time I visit Hong Kong. Next time will be March. If you are in town may be you would like to join us?!

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                          TomEatsHK RE: Charles Yu Oct 27, 2010 11:55 PM

                          Charles - that would be great. I now live in HK and am slowly exploring so should definitely be around! Look forward to hearing about it

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                            Charles Yu RE: TomEatsHK Oct 29, 2010 06:36 AM

                            Please drop me an e-mail ( address in my profile ) and I'll keep you inform when the time approaches

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                              haggisdragon RE: Charles Yu Jan 14, 2011 04:01 PM

                              Hey Charles, I'm going to be in HK from March 4-8. If there's any chance that you're there at the same time, I would love to dine with you aswell!

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                                Charles Yu RE: haggisdragon Jan 14, 2011 05:28 PM

                                I'll be arriving HKG on the 10th, staying till the 29th!! Guess we are going to miss each other! Next time, may be?

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                                  haggisdragon RE: Charles Yu Jan 14, 2011 05:32 PM

                                  Oh well! We'll probably have a better chance of meeting in Toronto some day.

                    2. re: micheniche
                      mikey8811 RE: micheniche Oct 29, 2010 03:47 AM

                      Happy 21st Micheniche.

                      As it is a milestone birthday, Caprice is prob more appropriate for the setting.

                      You can always go to L'Atelier for the set lunch or have the airplane style one dish meal at Salon De The if you want to try the food on a budget.

        2. pcypert RE: micheniche Nov 1, 2010 08:25 PM

          Caprice and Ember offer a more unique experience. In my opionion and experience L'Altelier is very good, but kind of like the McD's of fine dining. There are just too many of them and they tend to share recipes and dishes around to the various spots. I'd personally prefer a more unique, chef-based experience over a chain group any day.... even if the food might be better with Roubouchon, would rather support the more indy place.

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            Elgreenholio RE: micheniche Nov 20, 2010 06:03 AM

            Definitely Caprice if you can only get to 1 of them. Both are pretty good though

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              hengshan RE: micheniche Dec 26, 2010 02:58 PM

              Very different experiences if you're asking about l'atelier vs caprice. Caprice is a classic fine diner but the food was pretty average for me with some missteps for a 3 star michelin. I like the l'atelier concept but its way more casual and you might be disappointed in the hk one versus tokyo.

              overall if you can get to macau go to the robuchon there, otherwise make a call on whether you want somewhere more fine diner (Caprice) or somewhere a bit more fun (l'atelier).

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                Charles Yu RE: hengshan Dec 26, 2010 06:59 PM

                " the food was pretty average for me with some missteps for a 3 star Michelin" - For our information, can you please elaborate?! Were you there for lunch or dinner, tasting menu or a la carte? And also, out of curiosity, what other Michelin 3* s are you comparing Caprice to?

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                  PhilD RE: hengshan Dec 27, 2010 10:30 AM

                  What is the difference between Robuchon in Macau vs HK? Is Macau more in the old Jamin or La Table mode whilst HK is the now the standard Atelier (like the one in Paris, London etc)

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                    klyeoh RE: PhilD Dec 27, 2010 02:42 PM

                    Exactly. In fact, Robuchon's two upcoming new outlets in Singapore's Resorts World Sentosa (almost side-by-side) will be like this: a fine-dining restaurant, and a more casual L'Atelier.

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                      Charles Yu RE: klyeoh Dec 27, 2010 04:15 PM

                      Kinda sick and tired of L'atelier's red and black plus long bar theme every where!! Robuchon's formal fine dining rooms are brighter and more comfortable! For a 3*, the old Jamin in Paris was a bit on the casual side and not a good comparison example.. Robuchon in Macau is more palatial. In fact, there's a similarity between the Macau Robuchon and HK's Peninsula Gaddis's??!!

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                  WilliamKCT RE: micheniche Jan 12, 2011 05:03 AM

                  Caprice because it feels as if one is eating in a fine establishment. Plus, you must try their 4 year old comte cheese by bernard anthony. New dessert chef who is fantastic.

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