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I'm 49 and have NEVER tasted a Chef Boyardee product

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None of these items were ever allowed in our Italian-American household while I was growing up and I've never been tempted to have it as an adult. Same with Manwich sloppy Joe's The first time I ever had a sloppy Joe was about 3 years ago and I made the mix from scratch.

What about you? Is there a popular name-brand food item that just about every other person you know had as a kid but you've have never tasted?

  1. Ramen, the ten-for-a-buck kind that is the staple of college students. Never ate it in my life even when I was dirt poor.

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    1. re: MandalayVA

      Now that is something I quickly discovered when I moved out on my own (though we never ate it at home). Haven't had it in years though...the sodium levels on that stuff are scary!

      1. re: ttoommyy

        although I'm hiding behind a couch somewhere, I hate to admit it but on many levels, sodium is so tasty :(

        1. re: iL Divo

          salt is amazing and wonderful and i'd rather die than remove it from my life. and msg.

        2. re: ttoommyy

          Scary, but just the thing for a hangover.

        3. re: MandalayVA

          I haven't tried the super cheap-o ramen, however there's an Asian market nearby where I get various exotic tasting soup packets for 40 cents and up. These are good to have on hand when a bowl of instant noodles is just what you want.

          1. re: MandalayVA

            Cooks Illustrated has a great version sans the artificial bleh seasoning pack .... very good.

            1. re: MandalayVA

              You are missing out! It's a fast stand in for real ramen, just put in a dash or two of soy sauce, a few drops of sesame oil, chop up some scallions, and if you're going for the gold put in a hard-boiled egg sliced in half and some bean sprouts at the end. That is tasty.

            2. I 'm 57 samething.Got lazy about 2 years ago and started to use Newmans sauce

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              1. re: lkven

                there are plenty of other sauces in the same aisle that are waaaaay better than PN sauce. plenty of threads on the boards to guide you.

                1. re: jfood

                  Ain't THAT the truth! I've often wished they would make things that just flat out taste better. Think of how much more money their charities would get!

              2. I have never had Hamburger Helper.
                But I did make a ton of Steak Um when I was a teenager.
                Did you ever put ketchup on pasta?

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                1. re: princeofpork

                  Neither have I.
                  Never had that, either.
                  Hell no!

                  But we had a lot of fish sticks on Friday and Appian Way pizza kit in a box. And a lot of other abominations thqt had to do with dried potato slices and a packet of powder in a box that you make a casserole out of. Never had the canned spaghetti, I'm not sure where my mother drew the line!

                  1. re: EWSflash

                    For so many years I thought I hated scalloped potatoes because my mom made the nasty box version!

                2. I think feeding a child Chef-Boy-Ardee and other like meals is a form of child abuse.

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                  1. re: GibsonGirl55

                    I don't often need to use them, but I always have a few cans of Boy-ar-dee, Progresso soup, or Dinty Moore on hand in the event of power failures.

                    1. re: greygarious

                      LOL! Why would you want to eat crappy food during a power failure? Shouldn't something go right during such times?

                      1. re: Isolda

                        All-electric home, no outdoor grill, so I do not open the fridge in a power failure. Opened canned food warms on a rack set over a jar candle.

                        1. re: greygarious

                          There's nothing that teaches you what you can't cook more than a power failure in an all-electric home with no outdoor barbecue! I have a butane (hair spray size canister) single burner hot plate for just such occasions, and every year when the tornado warnings start popping up on TV, I begin keeping a few eggs on the counter instead of in the fridge. Nothing like an omelette to laugh in the face of powerless power lines!.

                          1. re: Caroline1

                            Brava, Caroline!

                        2. re: Isolda

                          Very true! The only time I've ever had Chef B was when I used up my emergency earthquake rations. (Every six months I do that -- luckily I've never had to eat them in a real emergency.) Bleh! I replaced the cans with something better.

                      2. re: GibsonGirl55

                        I forget who it was here (was it Sam F? maybe), but some ingenious 'Hound would dump out the contents of the Chef-Boy-Ardee, rinse, and then repurpose it with his own sauce and fresh ingredients (e.g. veggies, etc.). Made it sound not only delicious, but healthy.

                        1. re: GibsonGirl55

                          Gee, maybe I should report my parents 30 years after the fact. Guess I'm lucky to be alive after all that abuse.

                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                            I think there is a 12-step program for survivors of this "abuse" Perilagu Khan. :)

                          2. re: GibsonGirl55

                            These are the type of comments that make people avoid foodies.

                            My mom worked days and my dad nights. Lunchtime was often a can of Boyardee beefaroni or ravioli that i prepared myself. I suppose eating mustard sandwiches like other kids at school with out-of-work parents might be more acceptable to you.

                            1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                              AB - how amazing were the meatballs in Spaghetti O's? I used to heat up a can and pick out all the meatballs, then give the noodles to my younger brother. Haven't had them in years, but I swear if they made a can of just the meatballs, I'd be seriously tempted, lol!!!

                              1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                There was a kid at school who always had mustard sandwiches..I thought they were wonderful because they looked so pretty.. no way my mom would let me have one - so she always made me 1 1/2 of my sandwich so I could trade 1/2 with my friend..strange how that 1/2 sandwich used to have way more stuff in it than my sandwich - - and sometimes it even included a cookie!

                                1. re: caseygirl

                                  You're mom was a very kind woman.

                              2. re: GibsonGirl55

                                I've fed my kids Chef Boy-Ar-Dee once or twice. Trust me, they're a lot more likely to claim abuse when I make Thai curry and put in too much chile. But presumably a food snob would give that "abuse" a pass if the recipe is "authentic" (whatever that means).

                                1. re: GibsonGirl55

                                  Our kids were not raised in the US and I don't think they have eaten canned Chef, but boy did they like canned fish balls and cod roe.

                                  1. re: Passadumkeg

                                    Canned fish balls? If I were to eat that, it would be self-abuse.

                                  2. re: GibsonGirl55

                                    it is coimments like this that downplay true child abuse. similar to those who tell restaurants that they have an allergy when they do not it de-sensitizes people from true issues.

                                    i ate CBRD growing up and fed my children spaghetti-o's on occasion and to call me an abused child or a child abuser for that is just plain wrong.

                                    1. re: jfood

                                      I agree on the absurdity of the child abuse allegation, and can only hope that the poster was kidding. If not, whew boy!
                                      I remember eating the chef's ravioli and Spaghettio's on occasion and LOVED it! On the occasion that my parents enjoyed liver and onions for dinner, mom would make us something from a can (oh, and the one with little hot dogs, too!). She gave us a total pass and didn't impose her will on us.
                                      Now, that's love!

                                      1. re: monavano

                                        8^)

                                        1. re: monavano

                                          vienna sausages? We loved those, straight from the can.

                                          1. re: tcamp

                                            I think monavano is referring to the Spaghettios with little cut up hot dogs, which I loved even more than the ones with mini meatballs. The plain tomato sauce ones were too boring.

                                            1. re: cookie monster

                                              And then there were/are Beanie Weinies!

                                          2. re: monavano

                                            I was raised in an Italian American household, and mom wouldnt think of serving us pasta from a can.
                                            But when I was old enough, I used to buy it for myself and sneak it as an after-school snack!!
                                            LOL
                                            I went through a canned ravioli, and Spaghetti-o-s with franks phase...it didnt last long though.
                                            Recently after years and years I decided to try the Spaghettios again - and Wow - they were pretty gross!!

                                        2. re: GibsonGirl55

                                          Whoa, I think some posters may need to see a doctor about a Sense Of Humor deficit :-).
                                          To Reiterate, I considered CBOD to be aversion therapy that worked well.

                                          To those of you who were 'latch key' kids before the era of microwaveable frozen meals, I apologize - no offense to your parents. In your situation I would have been happy with canned corned beef hash or frozen pot pie to name a couple of alternatives. Our local groceries / delis were largely run by Italians, probably the cause of a life long (so far) addition to sandwiches!

                                          1. re: GibsonGirl55

                                            you haven't tried their beef bolognese, i take it?

                                            it's good for a quick bite.

                                          2. nope. My dad died when I was 6 and my mother worked. ( 60's)Taught to cook scrambled eggs and bacon and use a can opener at a young age. My sister and I cooked a lot of meals for our family. We got every junk/canned/frozen food you could try. It was exquisite.
                                            I'm sorry you never got to make a chef boyardee pizza from the box. Never enough sauce, dammit.

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                                            1. re: bbqboy

                                              I had a similar experience... Dad died when I was seven, mom worked. My brother and I learned to take care of the basics early on. I learned a lot of basic cooking techniques making hamburger helper, and was cooking dinner for the family once a week by 5th grade. By 9th grade I was cooking dinner almost every night. Chef Boyardee was a staple for weekend lunches. My mom balanced it out with her "cereal rules" - no chocolate, no marshmallows, nothing with a toy in the box.

                                              1. re: bbqboy

                                                likewise i had to cook as a child starting at 7, with those chef boyardee pizza boxes and duncan hines brownies. as a younger child i happily slurped up chef boyardee ravioli and adored mcdonalds. i soon moved on from the pizzas to making roast chicken, french fries, you name it. by the time i was a teenager i could make anything from anywhere. nowadays i'm not that into cooking but i like to eat very well, i.e., lots of fresh seafood grilled and boiled veg. that's so true about not having enough sauce in the pizza kit!!!

                                                1. re: bbqboy

                                                  Never too late to make Chef Boyardee pizza. They still sell the stuff and I make it every other month or so.

                                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                    That's one of the things that makes me heart you, PK. Every time you mention that I have a taste flashback to my childhood.

                                                    1. re: buttertart

                                                      I do this because I'm just an enfant terrible at heart. ;)

                                                      1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                        Terrible or sauvage?

                                                        1. re: buttertart

                                                          A bit of both, no doubt. A bit of both.

                                                        2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                          Them that ain't ate Beefaroni
                                                          ain't no enfant savant.

                                                      2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                        I haven't thought of that pizza in years! Mom would make it in lieu of making pizza dough herself, which she's never do. She cooked mostly from scratch, but pretty basic.

                                                        1. re: monavano

                                                          The crust is actually pretty darn good, even by Hound standards. Thin, crispy, and just salty enough. Also has a yeasty flavor that I like.

                                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                            Yes!
                                                            I have heard that too - my brother loves it!
                                                            But i havent tried it, and I don't recall seeing it for years. (not that I have looked for it though)

                                                            For me - I am 44 and only just tried Spam for the first time last year.
                                                            Growing up, it was considered a ***shudder*** item.
                                                            But, I had it at a Szechuan resturant, as part of a Hot Pot dinner - and WOW!!! I actually loved it!!
                                                            I have always wanted to buy it since that night, but the fat content really scares me !

                                                            Never had Hamburger Helper or Velveeta either!

                                                    2. Rice a roni
                                                      Hamburger helper
                                                      Probably lots of other stuff as well, I don't know the names because I never use them.

                                                      Velveeta could have been on this list but I have actually eaten it once. Didn't like it.

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                                                      1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                        I have the same 3. My oldest sister actually liked Velveeta, so we had it in the house. But with good cheese always also in the fridge, why would I bother?

                                                        Oh, and boxed mac & cheese--mom always had an aversion to orange cheeses, I think. So we goy home made with white cheddar (and sometimes, as we got older, the hot peper cheese mixed in).

                                                        1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                          I had never tried Velveeta until I met my husband's family when I was in my late 20's. Their Friday tuna buns have chunks of Velveeta in them. I still haven't ever tried a piece of it unadorned. But I do occasionally like some Cheez Whiz (on celery) and I have always assumed Velveeta would be like solidified Cheez Whiz.

                                                          I didn't know until I was in university that you could buy potatoes in a can. Still haven't eaten any though.

                                                          1. re: Sooeygun

                                                            Potatoes in a can? Really? I am WAY past university days and I can honestly say I've never heard of this. (Not that I would want to try it.)

                                                            1. re: gaffk

                                                              They also have "yams" in a can. The brand here in the northern NJ area that I can picture has a purple label.

                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                No thanks, I'll stick to the kind they sell in the produce section or farmer's market.

                                                                1. re: gaffk

                                                                  Yeah, it's not that hard to cook from scratch.

                                                              2. re: gaffk

                                                                Yeah, I've seen them. I have no idea why anyone would WANT them, but there you go.

                                                                1. re: gaffk

                                                                  To my knowledge, I have never eaten potatoes in a can. Instant mashed potatoes, yes. The only potatoes that didn't come out of a box during my childhood were baked. I remember the first time I saw a can of potatoes (sometime last decade). I couldn't get the image of potatoes sitting in potato cooking water out of my mind. Ewwww.

                                                                  I would have eaten CBRD Spaghetti and Meatballs every day had my mother let me. Or CBRD Ravioli, though that was my brother's favorite, and there were so few things he liked to eat, which is a story in itself. I didn't like Franco-American nearly as well as CBRD, though. F-A "macaroni and cheese" was particularly poor eating.

                                                                  I have never eaten macaroni and cheese that came in a box.

                                                                  1. re: Jay F

                                                                    God forbid that somebody should can MASHED taters! I have eaten canned new potatoes, though, and they're passable in a pinch.

                                                                    Used to love Franco-American skettios and franks. Alas, I can no longer find them. Perhaps they were bought out by Campbell's.

                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                      In fact, they were bough out by Campbell's! F-A always paled in comparison to CBOD for me, but I still see their products in my neighborhood grocery store. They kept the same basic label design, just changed the text to read Campbell's.

                                                                      1. re: mpjmph

                                                                        Yeah, I'm pretty loyal to The Chef, too.

                                                                      2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                        Khan - I too, used to have a certain "thing" for skettios wth franks (had to have franks - would'nt eat the plain ones) but anyway, about 3 years ago, I was wanting to try them again after not having it for many years, but I could never find it with franks, so I thought they didnt make it anymore, but a few months ago - lo and behold - there it was! A lovely can of "o"s with franks!! Glee!
                                                                        Then I tried it.
                                                                        BLEH!
                                                                        Not the same!
                                                                        I don't know if the recipe changed - or me!
                                                                        If you do find it again - don't get your hopes up!

                                                                      3. re: Jay F

                                                                        Potatoes in a can.
                                                                        Camping in France the whole of July, i availed myself of one of these a couple of times.

                                                                        The spuds underneath with are bathed in the juices turned out to be canned potatoes.

                                                                        I know, because I like canned spuds.

                                                                      4. re: gaffk

                                                                        I used to be grossed out by potatoes in a can, till my first hubby came along.
                                                                        He used to slice them thin and fry them with onions on butter. The edges used to get nice and crispy...mmmm quite tasty really.
                                                                        Then I went through a phase of eating them right out of the can...yucky tasting, but I relly liked the odd texture of them

                                                                        1. re: NellyNel

                                                                          yes, that's exactly how my mom made them. They end up kind of like potato pancakes. Straight out of the can - too oddly grainy.

                                                                          1. re: cookie monster

                                                                            I had a friend who used canned potatoes--and other canned veggies-- for making baby food back in the days when we did that. I don't know if that defeats the purpose of making your own of not, but she claimed they were softer and easier and just opened the can and threw it in the blender. I admit, I nuked.

                                                                            1. re: Whosyerkitty

                                                                              Wouldn't that have too much sodium for baby food?

                                                                              1. re: deibu

                                                                                Wouldn't that depend on how much (if any) sodium is in the canned spuds?

                                                                        2. re: gaffk

                                                                          My grandmother, who cooks like it's still 1959 ("spices" are weird to her), uses canned potatoes. They're not bad, honestly. Canned spinach, on the other hand, is rather terrifying. I still regret saying "yes" to "do you like spinach?" before realizing where it was coming from.

                                                                          1. re: lavaca

                                                                            I am what I am and I am what I am. Toot! Toot!

                                                                            Popeyedumkeg

                                                                            1. re: lavaca

                                                                              Sorry, I had an Irish grandmom who cooked like it was 1929 (depression era). My depression-era parents thought onion sandwiches were a delicacy. But I still never saw a canned potato. Maybe they were more expensive than peeling\boiling\mashing the real thing and therefore "luxuries"?

                                                                              And spinach was dad's favorite--but only fresh and steamed, with lots of butter. Again, the things they couldn't afford in 1929 and so "special"?

                                                                              And no, I have never met a canned vegetable I like; though frozen are OK in a pinch, when fresh are not available\out of season.

                                                                              1. re: gaffk

                                                                                Yup!

                                                                                1. re: gaffk

                                                                                  I have no problem with certain canned vegetables. For example, hearts of palm. Not really sure where else I can get them other than canned, so I use them and enjoy them. I will also used canned artichoke hearts for certain salads when I am too lazy to clean an artichoke and cook it or they are out of season.

                                                                                  1. re: gaffk

                                                                                    My dad loved canned spinach, drowned in malt vinegar or apple cider vinegar.

                                                                                    Me, I was nearly 30 before I realized the fresh stuff was entirely different from the mooshy stuff in the cans.

                                                                                  2. re: lavaca

                                                                                    Canned asparagus is an abomination before The Lord.

                                                                                    But, of course, canned tomatoes and tomato sauce are proof that God loves us.

                                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                      PK, that is beer, so said Bennie Franklin.

                                                                                      1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                        Bennie revisited:

                                                                                        "...Brews that relax us, Death when He asks us, but God can't do a damn thing about Taxes."

                                                                                        1. re: FoodFuser

                                                                                          And Ben's best work, Fart Proudly! Did he know about the Chef?

                                                                                      2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                        Another thing my dad would eat, but he actually did seem to prefer fresh.

                                                                                2. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                  No matter where I travel in the world, I always have a box of Rice-A-Roni! I have a "meal" where I saute' chopped onions with it, add the water and the seasoning packet. Once it's done, I add a can of Costco roast beef and a fair amount of capers. Put grated Cheddar cheese on top and let cooked covered on low another ten minutes or so. It's the thing that I want for dinner when I don't feel well.

                                                                                  PS: I've never told this story on CH before but I knew the day would come :)

                                                                                  1. re: c oliver

                                                                                    Roast beef in a can? I've never heard of that.

                                                                                    Accompanied by potatoes in a can?

                                                                                    1. re: Jay F

                                                                                      hate to be picky but i keep seeing Jaws from the James Bond movies as the eater...it is "from" a can.

                                                                                      1. re: Jay F

                                                                                        Really? I'm surprised. I'm relatively old and have always seen it. In Costco it's with canned tuna, chicken, crab, etc.

                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                          Roast beef in a can? In all my years, I've never heard of it. I don't buy much canned fish, though, either. I used to eat tuna, but it's my "Ramen Noodles," i.e., that thing I ate so much of as a starving student, I never wanted to touch it again.

                                                                                          I only use it now to make Really Gross Tuna Noodle Casserole, which includes layers of swiss cheese and heavy cream mixed in with the tuna and mushroom soup, then baked with a crust of buttered croutons, which I make myself from dry sandwich bread. Sometimes I use potato chips. Either way, it's really gross.

                                                                                          But canned roast beef, well, I am just going to have to look at it when I go to Costco next.

                                                                                          1. re: Jay F

                                                                                            It's right next to the corned beef hash in a can. Mary Kitchen and Armour Star are the two most frequently sighted brands whenever I've seen it.

                                                                                            Oh wait. That's roast beef HASH.

                                                                                            The canned roast beef is over with the spam.

                                                                                            1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                              I prefer fish balls in the can; a King Oscar Norwegian specialty,

                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                How many fish balls does it take to fill up a can?

                                                                                                *whistling innocently*

                                                                                          2. re: c oliver

                                                                                            I think it's like Underwood Deviled Ham in a can, only it's roast beef. I don't think it's slices of roast beef.

                                                                                            1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                              It's like canned tuna or chicken. Not "mushed" up like UDH (mmm, haven't had THAT in forever). It comes out of the can in chunks or cubes and then I break it up. But, no, not slices at all.

                                                                                          3. re: Jay F

                                                                                            Add dehydrated onions and you've got the "hash" that my dad used to make for breakfast on camping trips. Anything tastes good when you cook it over a campfire.

                                                                                            1. re: Jay F

                                                                                              Exhibit A

                                                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                It's amazing the product one selectively filters out when walking through the aisles.

                                                                                                1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                  My mother kept a can so if she needed a quick dinner, she could make a hash from it. So I guess that's why I was always aware of it.

                                                                                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                    Very true PK. In fact, there are whole aisles in the supermarket that I never go down. Unless I am buying seltzer, I never go down the soda aisle; since I have no pets, I don't even know what the pet food aisle looks like; and since we do not keep boxed cookies at our place, the cookie aisle is a distant memory from childhood. lol

                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                      Except Italian tuna packed in olive oil is in that aisle in Safeway.

                                                                                                  2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                    OMG!
                                                                                                    I have never seen that!

                                                                                                    1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                      Yep, that's it 'cept I buy the Kirkland brand.

                                                                                              2. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                I admit I have given my kid CBRD ravioli and ate Spaghettios myself as a kid and my! those 16 little meatballs were vile. One thing that I am not seeing here though is that those lil O's were fun to eat! You sucked off the sauce, let them rest on your tongue and stuck it out at your sister!

                                                                                                I loved as a kid and still use Rice-a-Roni. How the heck you'd make that stuff from scratch, plus the time is beyond my talent. I do jazz it up a bit though.

                                                                                                My BIL uses Velveeta as BAIT. I'm not sure for what.

                                                                                                1. re: Whosyerkitty

                                                                                                  It would catch me. But I can only hope your BIL would throw me back.

                                                                                                  1. re: Whosyerkitty

                                                                                                    "My BIL uses Velveeta as BAIT. I'm not sure for what."

                                                                                                    I thought this sounded familiar so I Googled it:
                                                                                                    http://www.ehow.com/how_4540136_make-...

                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                      I don't fish, but for some reason I found this tidbit fascinating!

                                                                                                2. Never had anything from Ore-Ida. With potatoes always being available and the products being simple, I suppose there was never a desire/need to buy frozen/boxed versions.

                                                                                                  I haven't had Chef in years, but I remember them rather fondly - Seriously overcooked, but enough flavor (sugar) to keep me interested. Same goes for most of the things I ate as a kid.

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                                                                                                  1. re: ediblover

                                                                                                    ! am 55 and to date never have had a fast food item Mc Donalds, buyger king, taco bell, etc. etc.

                                                                                                    1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                      Now that is truly impressive!

                                                                                                      1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                        Wow. I thought I was extreme in never eating fast food. I've had, by my estimation, one fast food hamburger (cheeseburger, BigMac, etc.) in my whole life -- at age 5 when entrusted to my grandmother for a day. I hated it and have not had another and have not been to a fast food place since the early 1990s where I probably got a salad. I am not counting Dunkin' Donuts coffee in this. You have me way beat.

                                                                                                        1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                          Wow.

                                                                                                          1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                            Wow, indeed.

                                                                                                            I don't know if I am more impressed, or saddened, by that.

                                                                                                            1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                              Out of curiosity, why would that be sad?

                                                                                                              1. re: mateo21

                                                                                                                I don't know what word I would use to describe it but aren't CHs open to trying at least anything once? Even Sam tried Kraft mac n cheese. Didn't care for it but tried it. To eliminate an entire "genre" out of hand seems different anyway.

                                                                                                                1. re: mateo21

                                                                                                                  Sad because a Chowhound, or really just a normal person, should at least experience all foods at least once -- at least foods that are readily available.

                                                                                                                  1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                    I kinda feel the same way. It always surprises me to see people look down on an entire genre of food and then declare proudly, "I've never tried it and I never will try it!". Fast food and processed foods exist and lots of people like it or eat it for a reason. If you don't like it after you try it, then fine. No one's forcing anyone to eat anything and we should all be grateful that we have a choice in that respect. But it's sort of comparable to when you encounter someone who only eats burgers and fries who refuses to eat anything "exotic" and has never tried anything beyond burgers and fries.

                                                                                                                    1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                      But having tried fast food burgers and other fast food ilk, I do choose not to eat them (Lotaburger green chile cheese burgers excepted) and instead, search for the deliscious. The hunt, the hunt, it sharpens the senses and the appitite.
                                                                                                                      Carpe chow!

                                                                                                                      1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                        But you HAVE tried them. That's the point. I've never noticed any closed minds in the P-keg entourage.

                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                          Hey, in tenth grade I won a foot ballteam Mc Dee's hamburger eating contest; but this was before the advent of the Big Muck (sic) and sit down dining.
                                                                                                                          Funny, last class periond I asked a hefty Native American student, which he'd prefer, a big Muck or a Laguna (1/2 lb. green chile cheese)Burger for $3.99? He immediately responded, the Laguna Burger.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                            Was that back before the days of Ray Kroc, when McD's was still a single store? ;-P

                                                                                                                    2. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                      Sometimes it's enough to "experience" some foods visually.

                                                                                                                      O.O

                                                                                                                      1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                        Sometimes it's enough to "experience" some foods visually.

                                                                                                                        _______________________________

                                                                                                                        Really?

                                                                                                                        Ever take a hard look at oysters? No, I mean a real hard look.

                                                                                                                        If a person didn't know it was a common, dare I say a treasured, foodstuff, who would eat such a thing if presented it on first sight?

                                                                                                                        It's this puddle of slimy, greyish-whitish, blob that looks like it was ejected out of the nostrils of a flu-infected patient on her last legs.

                                                                                                                        Oysters could easily be a body-double for mucous in the next B-rated Halloween movie.

                                                                                                                        One of my pet peeves with young children is sometimes their refusal to try even "normal" foods simply because it looks "icky" to them.

                                                                                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                          I have wondered about the first person who ever at an oyster :)

                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                            Or an egg for the matter of it:

                                                                                                                            "See that white thing coming out of the chicken's ass? I'm gonna EAT it!"

                                                                                                                            Probably a Cro-Magnon after one too many shots of Old Granddad trying to impress his buddies.

                                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                              I wonder about the first person ever to eat snow crab or king crab. Those multi-legged things so far down in the ocean. How did they even find them?

                                                                                                                              1. re: decolady

                                                                                                                                Well the little crabs come up on the land, I imagine our ancestors caught and ate them first. And I imagine early fishermen were pulling them up in nets, once those were invented. It probably wasn't too much of a leap from fish weirs and nets to lobster pots and crab traps.

                                                                                                                                Some of the things I wonder about are things that essentially have to sort of partially rot before they're edible, like yoghurt and cheeses and wine and beer. How'd we figure out which smelly microbes were yeast and which were poison? Which awful looking mold made cheese, and which made you sick or killed you? And how hungry did you have to be to keep trying to find moldy rotten milk that didn't kill you? (I love cheese, not casting aspersion on it at all)

                                                                                                                                Heck, who was the first person to figure out how to make hakarl, and how many people had to die (or at least wish they would) before they figured out just the right amount of "aging" to make a poisonous shark at least nominally edible?

                                                                                                                                Personally I'm glad that my biggest worry is what "mechanically separated poultry" means.

                                                                                                                            2. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                              Oysters are nasty, and yes, I have tried them. I've eaten far more than my fair share as a matter of fact. To those who enjoy them, more power to you!

                                                                                                                              Left to my own devices I'd have gone with my gut and not eaten them, and have been none the worse for it.

                                                                                                                              Oddly enough I've been criticized on this board for having eaten so many of something I really do not at all care for. You just can't win sometimes, can you? LOL!

                                                                                                                              1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                Zen,

                                                                                                                                Isn't that why it's so sad that there are some people who refuse to eat common foodstuffs that are widely available in popular culture?

                                                                                                                                Sure, a person may not like a Big Mac, but I think a person deprives herself of a critical connection with society -- both on a social and culinary level -- if they simply refuse to even try it. They are, in essence, hermetic eaters.

                                                                                                                                1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                  I really feel like it's up to the individual to decide what they will and won't eat. I don't find anything "sad" about it. If you're too picky, the only one affected by it is you. If you're extremely catholic in your tastes, again, the only person affected by it is you.

                                                                                                                                  Having been forced to eat things I disliked as a child until I threw up, I don't believe in trying to force other people to eat things they don't want to, no matter the reason behind it. Whether it's because they won't eat anything round, or they hate anything with a mooshy texture, or it smells funny, it just doesn't matter. I happen to like CB spaghetti and meatballs, but I wouldn't expect someone who expresses a non-desire to ever taste it to do so just because of some arbitrary idea that you "should" always put something in your mouth and chew before you're allowed to refuse to eat it.

                                                                                                                                  I eat lots of things most people wouldn't even consider trying. There are lots more things I'd like to try that I haven't, yet. Given that, I don't see why I should waste time preparing and tasting things I DON'T want to try. Nor do I see why anyone else should be expected to do so.

                                                                                                                                  I'm not at all saddened that some people have expressed a total lack of desire to ever taste CB spaghetti and meatballs (or whatever). Why should they?

                                                                                                                                  1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                    Bully.

                                                                                                                    3. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                                      My instinct is to say "bullcrap"

                                                                                                                      1. re: observor

                                                                                                                        Well, at least you were nice enough to not actually say it.

                                                                                                                        1. re: observor

                                                                                                                          I've never eaten bugs, brains, snakes, or kidneys either. Not gonna. Nor will I ever eat Chef B products - they look and smell just as gross. Call me narrow minded if you'd like.

                                                                                                                          1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                            Nope. I call you "true to your own sense of taste".

                                                                                                                            If it smells nasty to you it will taste nasty too. I had this problem for many many years with the "parmesan" cheese in the green can. Smelled like vomit to me. No way was I going to eat that. I don't feel I missed anything.

                                                                                                                            1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                              It does smell like vomit!!! I thought I was the only one!! I love parm but that stuff smells like someone has already eaten it. Thank you.

                                                                                                                              1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                "I love parm but that stuff smells like someone has already eaten it. Thank you."

                                                                                                                                Well, in a way someone (actually some thing) has. Parmigianio Reggiano is made by curdling cow's milk with calf's rennet, which comes from the calf's stomach. Rennet is an enzyme that allow's the calf to digest its mother's milk. Parmigianio Reggiano is basically a pre-digested food.

                                                                                                                                1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                  OMG, all these years and I thought *I* was the only one! I've expressed this thought on rare occasions as the years have passed and have garnered only blank stares, or the she-must-be-crazy eye-roll, but never once has anyone ever agreed with me!

                                                                                                                                  Thank YOU! LOL!

                                                                                                                                2. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                  You _should_ have a problem with Green Can Cheese (I can't bring myself to type "Parmesan" that close to "Green Can").

                                                                                                                                  Parmigiano-Reggiano, OTOH, is the best single food in the world.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                    Yes, it really is an amazing cheese, but even the best quality Pamigiano Reggiano can have the odor identified up above.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                      I guess it doesn't bother me.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                        It doesn't bother me either; I love the stuff! I'm just mentioning that it can have that certain aroma at times. The poster that brought it up thought she was the only one that thought so.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                          Thought me smeller was broken all these years, LOL!

                                                                                                                                3. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                  I'll call you wise ... all those modified ingredients give me the willies. ;)

                                                                                                                          2. I don't remember details, but I think my very smart mom used Chef Boyardee cans as aversion therapy!

                                                                                                                            Recently I saw the story of Chef Boiardi (IIRC on Unwrapped) and was intrigued - was it really all that bad? Got a can to try and yup, it is Nasty! Mushy pasta, unnaturally sweet. Yuck. No doubt the corporate owners transformed a decent recipe into something vile over the years ....

                                                                                                                            Child abuse, indeed.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: DiveFan

                                                                                                                              I have to admit, I love Chef Boy Ar Dee spaghetti and meatballs.

                                                                                                                              Note, however, that I do not refer to it as "spaghetti". I ALWAYS use the full title, "Chef Boy Ar Dee Spaghetti". Cuz it's not spaghetti. It's CHEF BOY AR DEE.

                                                                                                                              ; p

                                                                                                                              1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                Mom bought a can of the spaghetti for me as a kid. As DiveFan notes, it's really sweet compared to Mom's, and so I liked it the first couple of times. But the novelty wore off in a hurry.

                                                                                                                                A few years ago, all the Chef products were on sale, so I bought two cans of each. The ravioli is horrid, the spaghetti was as I remembered, and the beefaroni - I lack the eloquence to describe it adequately, but "bad beyond belief" is a nice alliterative place to start. Couldn't finish can #1, can #2 was tossed in the donation box on my next trip to the store.

                                                                                                                              2. re: DiveFan

                                                                                                                                We weren't allowed to have Chef Boyardee when we were kids because it wasn't halal. So of course when I moved out, I decided I wanted to try it. I got the beef ravioli and was repulsed by the metallic taste. However once I covered it up with Sriracha, garlic, herbs and a little parmesane it wasn't terrible.

                                                                                                                              3. I had Spaghetti-O's once. I can't remember where or why, but it came in a small individual serving size can, was heated in a pan and served in a bowl. My first mouthful was forced down with gargantuan effort and a second bite never crossed my lips. Pasta Jell-O is not my thing! The only thing I can think of that I'm pretty sure I've never had that all the other kids did have is a Moon Pie. Oh, and I'm sure I was past 75 before I had my very first Frito Pie at a Sonic Drive In. If somebody forced me to, I'd probably eat another... Hey, I'm easy! '-)

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                                                                                                                                1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                  What is a Frito Pie?

                                                                                                                                  Sounds good!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                    Fritos corn chips topped with chili (Wolf Brand beanless is fine), grated cheddar and raw, diced onion, and then baked until cheese melts. And be sure to heat the chili before putting it on the Fritos.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                      Bob's mother did Dennison's hot chili without beans in a saucepan with tons of grated cheddar. After it was bubbling hot it was put into a serving container and you dipped the dip-type of Fritos in it. It's one of our wintertime, we're snowed in, let's sit in front of the fire snacks.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                        Can I put sour cream on top?!!

                                                                                                                                        Gosh that sounds so wrong it's gotta be right!

                                                                                                                                      2. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                        also called a walking taco in places.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                          Only if it's served the way God intended and the Woolworth's on the square in Santa Fe made 'em until the tourists drove the locals away and the store went out of business.

                                                                                                                                          You take a single-serving bag of Fritos, rip it open along the back seam, then scoop chili on top, pile on cheese and onions, stick a plastic spoon in the whole mess and you're good to go. No oven (or serving dish or plate) required.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                            With or without beans?????

                                                                                                                                            1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                              A staple of Friday night high school football concession stands in the 1950s and 60s. At least in my neck of the woods.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: decolady

                                                                                                                                                Catholic school girl here> No chili on Friday nights.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                  Well they have fish tacos. Couldn't they have fish chili fritos?

                                                                                                                                                  >:D

                                                                                                                                      3. The first thing I learned to cook was their pizza in a box back in the 60's when I was ten or so. You had to mix the dough, add the sauce and cheese and bake. The challenge was getting the dough to cover the pizza pan, it tought a ten year old a little patience. I still look longingly at the boxes at the grocery store, and as soon as the weather cools off I'm going to crank up the oven and make one.

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                                          Yep, I remember having the same problem as a kiddo, and believe it or not, I was so traumatized that I was chary of trying the CB pizza even as an adult. Try it I did, though, and gained proof that my cooking skills are indeed better than they were 35 years ago. ;)

                                                                                                                                        2. I've never had Chef Boyardee, nor the Manwich stuff either (although I BEGGED my long-suffering Mom for both. I'd buy her copies of Family Circle with my allowance money and say, "See? This is what we're supposed to eat!"). I also shocked a dear friend today by telling him I have never tasted a Twinkie. By the time I was out of the house and could make whatever I wanted, I didn't want that stuff any longer. I still love Stouffer's french bread pizzas, though.

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: auburnselkie

                                                                                                                                            Sloppy Joes are one of the few "evil" foods I never took a shine to.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                              Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I have made sloppy Joes from scratch and now they are a staple for us. I use ground turkey, diced onion and red pepper, and the sauce is a mix of ketchup, brown sugar, cider vinegar, prepared mustard, a pinch of ground cloves, salt and pepper. Served on a good hearty roll with a slice of cheddar, they are quite tasty!

                                                                                                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                I might be able to handle those Joes if the sugar and ketchup are not too heavy. Generally speaking, I don't like the combo of sweet and savory. Hence my virulent aversion to sweet and sour pork.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                  Ah, I see. It's only a tablespoon of brown sugar, but the ketchup is sweet to begin with. It's definitely a sweet & savory taste though.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for jfood, I know what a Jersey-style Sloppy Joe is:

                                                                                                                                                  http://www.seriouseats.com/2007/08/se...

                                                                                                                                                  Next time we're in NYC, I'm making a road trip for one of these.

                                                                                                                                            2. I've never had any of these and hundreds of more. I don't think it's that unusual. The only time I ever had a sloppy joe was when it was served in school lunch by the cafeteria ladies and I don't think they used Manwich.

                                                                                                                                              A more interesting topic might be, what mainstream food item, not a specific brand of food, have you never had? For example, I have never eaten cotton candy. When I was a kid my parents wouldn't let me and now I'm not interested in it. I have also never eaten Brussels sprouts. When I was a kid they seemed gross and I have not gotten around to trying them.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: taos

                                                                                                                                                "A more interesting topic might be, what mainstream food item, not a specific brand of food, have you never had?"

                                                                                                                                                But that's not the topic I posted and it seems like people are enjoying this one. :)

                                                                                                                                                1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                  I like it. Vastly different experiences.
                                                                                                                                                  My parents and siblings loved food and we cooked and ate out with great zeal,
                                                                                                                                                  I'll wager you've never had a TV dinner either?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                    I've had plenty of TV dinners. They were unique to my Italian-American family when I was growing up in the 60s and they were allowed. Go figure.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                      cool! So it was just the Italian food your mom was worried about. :)
                                                                                                                                                      Italian food was a Restaurant Treat for us, other than Spaghetti w/meat(hamburger) sauce.
                                                                                                                                                      I still remember my sister coming home from college, excited to make us Manicotti.
                                                                                                                                                      Her prof in Italian had made the whole class a meal of them and she shared her
                                                                                                                                                      new experience.(1965 or so) Who knew such wonderfulness existed?

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                        Yes, it was mostly the Italian food that we would never buy canned, frozen, etc. Why would we when it was just a normal part of our everyday diet? But in the late 60s and early 70s, I must admit my family experimented with dangerous substances...Hamburger Helper and Rice-A-Roni!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                          Same here.
                                                                                                                                                          Canned pasta products and jarred sauces were NEVER considered in my IA household, but we had all the other stuff, like tv dinners, canned corn, etc..

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                            Same here. My mother was a great cook and made a lot from scratch, but if a particularly interesting new product came on the market, she usually tried it (unless it was a prefab version of Italian food, then we just laughed at it). This was in the 60s and 70s and all those new-fangled convenience foods were fun!

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                        As I stated in a previous post fast food, Never....BUT Swanson T.V Dinners WOW!! everytime my parents would go out ..........
                                                                                                                                                        It Was Babysitter and T.V dinners my favs were turkey and the fried chix, all complete even the dessert(hot sweet apple glop).

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                                                                          Loved the Salisbury steak and the turkey and dressing. Hell, I would still gobble that stuff up given half the chance.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                            Since my folks owned a "mom & pop" grocery store in a one-trick pony town, and our house was attached to the store, I don't think there was much of anything I didn't try. No matter if it was in a can (I remember liking CB mac & cheese - but can't even imagine trying it now) or in the freezer (good old Swanson TV dinners, etc.). For dessert I would open a small jar of pimento stuffed olives and eat the whole thing. I wore out my sweet tooth early in life.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                      Fair enough. I was just surprised that so many people would be interested. I didn't realize that eating Chef Boyardee was assumed to be so ubiquitous.

                                                                                                                                                      I stand both corrected and surprised.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: taos

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks taos.
                                                                                                                                                        The Chef Boyardee thing was very prevalent in my NJ neighborhood while growing up in the late 60s and very early 70s. In fact, I remember a kid in grammar school being nicknamed "ravioli" because he came back to school after lunch (we went home, no school caf) with "Chef Boyardee ravioli on his breath" as some kids noticed! lol

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                          CB's longstanding commercial success testifies to its near ubiquity.

                                                                                                                                                  2. I still love a good Chef Boyardee meal once in a blue moon when I'm feeling lazy and just want something I can microwave. Grew up eating them, plus lots of frozen foods and such since me and the siblings were latchkey kids and my grandma only knew how to make very, very basic Chinese peasant food.

                                                                                                                                                    I also have to laugh and shake my head when people liken letting your children eat such foods to child abuse because every kid totally lives and grows up in the same environment, with the same type of parents, in the same economic bracket, in the same culture, etc, right? Lighten up. As long as the kids aren't going hungry and eating stuff that's truly making them morbidly obese and unhealthy (i.e. fried and greasy foods with no vegetables for every single meal), then be happy that you got better, homemade food than others and let others like what they like/have available to eat.

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                                                                                                                                                    1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                      Amen to that, yfunk.

                                                                                                                                                    2. Yep, and it was only until recently that I finally tried it -- LIVERWURST. I have to admit that it's pretty tasty considering its contents. Also, any Chef Boyardee raviolis we ate were eaten while we were in the school lunch program because Chef Boyardee wasn't welcome in our home either.

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Cheese Boy

                                                                                                                                                        you'll like this thread:
                                                                                                                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6120...

                                                                                                                                                      2. Pop tarts almost made the list ... but years ago I had breakfast at a friends home and that was my only option.
                                                                                                                                                        I haven't tried almost every sugar filled cereal known to the average American child (thanks goes to my Mother for this) and when I did for the first time it was a horrible experience ... there aren't words (can't recall exactly, but I think it was fruit loops?) I used have a bit of a struggle with my hubby on this issue ... but I just didn't want my children to like that garbage. I even threw out a box once when DH brought it home (after about a week of cringing at it in the cupboard every morning) to save the children.
                                                                                                                                                        I also never tried spam until I married a Hawaiian. :) He actually cooked it for me so I would give it a chance and it tasted good cooked in the syrup w/ pancakes. I was surprised. Did you know that the Andrew Zimmern can't stand Spam? I guess this makes me pretty adventurous!

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: DishDelish

                                                                                                                                                          We had Spam as a staple in my house...lol. I guess my father got a taste for it in the Army.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                            Ahh yes army rations. :) I still can not convince my sister to try it which is funny because she loves Vienna sausages.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                              Sam taught me about Spam musubi. The day after he died we had it for breakfast in his memory. I have the gizmo but haven't made it yet. Spam is wildly popular in Hawaii and Japan. Heavily peppered and fried, with rice and a fried egg, it's one of the best breakfasts ever. Thanks for that, alanbarnes.

                                                                                                                                                              http://whatscookingamerica.net/Histor...

                                                                                                                                                            2. re: DishDelish

                                                                                                                                                              I'm not allowed to eat Pop Tarts as an adult. That's self imposed. We never really had them in my house as a kid, but as late teen (18+) spending many a night out drinking, I remember binging on them early in the morning (2am an on). I developed such a taste for them that if I even smell a Pop Tart now I go crazy. I just know if I have just one, I will be hooked again!

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                Haha! Yes, I have the same rule over myself. I hear they are really good toasted over a campfire though. ;)

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: DishDelish

                                                                                                                                                                I was only forced to eat SPAM in the military and am phobic bout it. It also spell MAPS and tastes like them.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                  My Father, who was in the Army Air Corp in WWII, actually DEVELOPED a taste for Spam while stationed overseas.

                                                                                                                                                                  He says they looked forward to it being on the menu!

                                                                                                                                                                  Of course his generation grew up without refrigeration and many other boons of the modern world so meat in a can was probably a way to get some meat without having it up and spoil on you. He also liked sh** on a shingle. (Creamed chip beef)

                                                                                                                                                                  There's a recipe at:

                                                                                                                                                                  http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook...

                                                                                                                                                                  If anybody's hungry!

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                    Nope, bad memories.
                                                                                                                                                                    Bad times,
                                                                                                                                                                    SPAM and 'Nam,
                                                                                                                                                                    What the Pho?

                                                                                                                                                                    What are steakums?
                                                                                                                                                                    Hamburger helper.
                                                                                                                                                                    Kraft Mac & cheese
                                                                                                                                                                    Jazz up my own Ramen, throw away the packet, use the noodles.
                                                                                                                                                                    One Pop Tart was 2 too many.
                                                                                                                                                                    I ain't no Manwitch.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                      steakums are frozed shaved beef "sheets"(?)--not sure what the term for it's frozen form would be. Used to make Philly cheesesteak-like sandwiches. Not bad if you don't have access to the real thing (like those years I live in southern Ohio), but unthinkable here in the Philly area.

                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, I shouldn't say "unthinkable"--they are sold here.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                        Are Steak Um similar to Chinese hot pot-style thin sliced meats?

                                                                                                                                                                        I keep seeing this in Philly steak recipes but i don't think we have this in Montreal and i'd be happy to find an easy replacement.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                          Not familiar with hot pot meat--but if it's steak tthat is VERY thinly sliced, then yes, it would be a good replacement.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                            I can find Steak-Ums at a few different grocery stores in Toronto; I'd suspect they'd be available in Montreal, but one never knows.. (anyone looking at the cheese selection in the most pedestrian Montreal grocery is in for a shock when they encounter the cheese section in most Toronto groceries). And, if you don't have the knife skills to really shave beef thin, SteakUms make a very fast cheese steak sandwich - they cook on the grill in about 30 seconds (you have to start the onions and toast the bun first), and they sit quietly in your freezer until you need them.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                            Steak Ums are kinda like a reconstituted ground beef product shaped into thin, durable sheets so that they will make an emergency cheesesteak should you not feel up to cutting your own beef or buying real beef sliced thinly.

                                                                                                                                                                            It wasn't horrendous, but it wasn't...great. When you're hungry and young, though... heh heh.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                              Used to love Steam-ums, but haven't had "um" in years. May just have to give "um" another whirl.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                        Forgot all about Spam! My mother used to make a ham salad with spam. she grated the Spam in a meat grinder that attached to the kitchen table ( I still have the grinder- it is 60+ years old), grated onion, sweet pickles and mayo. Used to love it. Havent had is in years.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                          I got 2 of the old and one electric grinders for make sausages. Elk, red chile sausage coming up!

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                            I dont think this grinder will ever die! It was originally my grandmothers.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                              That's something of my mom's I wish I had. I hope my sister-in-law scored it.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                i have lots of kitchen "stuff" from my grandmother- my cast iron pans are probably my favorite. Also have a glass juicer that I love to use- i think it is probably worth a few bucks, but I have to use it anyway- would be wasted sitting in a cabinet. Also have four turkey S/P shakers and a meat platter with a big turkey on it. Love taking them out for Thanksgiving. My brothers and I always loved them as kids, now our kids love them.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                            My mother made something she called a "Spam omelet" (nothing French about my mother's "omelet): scrambled eggs, velveeta, and spam. My mother didn't know you had to move the eggs around, so the whole thing sat in a pan until the top cooked up from the bottom.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                              She just had the wrong language, should have called it a Spam frittata :)

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: mpjmph

                                                                                                                                                                                Technically, yeah. It was a frittata. But at the heat she had the burner turned up to... Oy.

                                                                                                                                                                                However, in 1970-71, she saw the light and started watching Julia and cooking out of the French Chef cookbook. All was forgiven. And I never ate CBRD again. I think I really haven't had it.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                Did she ever try Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top, served with Spam?

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: FrankD

                                                                                                                                                                                  I DON'T LIKE SPAM!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Actually, I love Spam. And Monty Python... :o)

                                                                                                                                                                                  I often make Spam fried rice if I don't have another meat in the fridge/freezer. Good stuff. Also great just fried in a pan with oil until super crispy and eaten with white jasmine rice. Which is why I adore spam musubi. The Hawaiians know, man. The Hawaiians know...

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                    Sorry, know..... not. SPAM: an evil offshoot of the Imperialist militaristic empire cloaked in traditional foods. Very sadistically clever.

                                                                                                                                                                                    sounds like a lot of Hawaiian Spam-aLot to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                      Or, you know, a cheap alternative for those who can't afford big cuts of meat in the ESort of like apple pie in the United States.

                                                                                                                                                                                      But nice try.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                        Tried Spam once. Regrettably, it was not to my taste.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: FrankD

                                                                                                                                                                                    What'll you do if I say "yes"?

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                      Eat a Klondike Bar... with spam!

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                                  lol!
                                                                                                                                                                                  I used to love "um" too!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                  and also havent had "um" in years!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                lol, so I am adventurous then!

                                                                                                                                                                            2. I've never had spagetti'os, never had "thankgiving" green bean casserole or sweet potato with marshmellow casserole. I will admit, though, I used to like beef a roni when I was a kid!

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                                "never had "thankgiving" green bean casserole or sweet potato with marshmellow casserole."

                                                                                                                                                                                I never had these either until as an adult I went to freinds houses and had them.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                  Guess i have been lucky! We always had Thansgiving at my grandmothers house, then my moms, and now my mom and I host it. So i guess that is why i have been lucky so far. And the rest of my immediate family (25+) can carry this on in years to come!

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                                    Green Bean casserole and Sweet Potatoes with Marshmallow are wonderful, and an essential part of the American experience..Why you'd feel happy denying yourself this
                                                                                                                                                                                    is beyond me.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                                                      Never had the desire to try either! I love green beans- but like them simply steamed with S/P and butter. Eat sweet potatoes at least once per week- but I like them baked in tin foil, then mashed with butter. They stay nice and dry.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                    I love green bean casserole (with fresh green beans and homemade mushroom sauce but canned anything is so-so). As for sweet potatoes with marsh mellows ... yuck! I do like a creamy buttery sweet potato casserole topped with cinnamony streusel rice crispy topping though. It's a once a year indulgence. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                      I grew up in North Jersey, and I never even heard of the canned green bean casserole until I was in my 40s.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                        I think it's midwestern in origin.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                          That makes sense. I only heard about it in Pittsburgh, though not until the 2000s.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't know about origins, but it was sure a popular item in the midwest.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                              Don't I know it (husband of a kajillion years grew up in Iowa...).

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                Very popular in Texas, too. Have thus far been unable to summon up the courage to try the stuff despite umpteen opportunities to do so.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                I grew up in Atlanta in the 50s/60s and our family certainly had it.

                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                Origin and history of Green Bean Bake:

                                                                                                                                                                                                http://decolady-randommusings.blogspo...

                                                                                                                                                                                              4. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                Me either,
                                                                                                                                                                                                Though, our Thasnksgiving menu was somewhat Americanized - it still had Italian American overtones!

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, we always had stuffed artichokes and stuffed mushrooms, lasagna, meatballs, sausage, etc. right alongside the turkey, sweet potatoes, cranberry sauce, et al. My god, no wonder I've struggled with my weight all my life! lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yep!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                    We started with: anit-paste - roasted peppers, provolone, dried sausage, rice balls and potato croquettes (home-made by grandpa) etc.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then we had lasagna with meatballs
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then we had the turkey...sweet potatoes, stuffed mushrooms, canned cranberry sauce...hmmm what else?? corn maybe...whatever else...stuffing...

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then we had dessert (an array - of course!)
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Then nuts and fruit

                                                                                                                                                                                                    THEN - around 8:00pm - grandma brought out the stuffed artichokes!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yikes!
                                                                                                                                                                                                    It must have cost a small fortune!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Are we related????? That is just about the same menu and order of our Thanksgiving feasts. Plus, it was all served on a kitchen table in our humble apartment in Jersey City, NJ with about 20 people seated on various objects serving as chairs. And of course...there was the children's table!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                        LOL!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        The only thing different is the JC part ! I'm from Brooklyn!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                        hee hee!!

                                                                                                                                                                                              5. re: macca

                                                                                                                                                                                                Green bean casserole is a bazillion times better when you use fresh green beans and not the canned, mushy ones the recipe calls for! Of course, you need to blanch the beans a bit before mixing with the other ingredients to get them to the right, cooked consistency...unless you like them crunchy! But yeah, fresh green beans...all the way. :o)

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                                  It wouldn't be Thanksgiving without the "bean glop"

                                                                                                                                                                                              6. I've never had most American convenience foods cos I'm a damn furrner and my mother never knew you were supposed to eat that stuff. The ones I HAVE tasted have all been repulsive (overcooked pasta and vegetables, rubbery textured cakes, dry meat patties). Yuck.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: silkenpaw

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm with you. I smelled that pasta in a can stuff before and it smelled horrible. And Kraft dinner..don't get me started...seriously? Is it that hard to grate cheese and make it real. Powdered cheese - blech!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I LOVE Kraft M & C - and I am not ashamed to say so.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Nothing compares to it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    It has to be the powdered version too, not the Delux version.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Real Mac & cheese is delicious - sure - but its not the same thing IMO

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last week I woke up in the middle of the night with a massive craving. I got up, prepared a box, ate the entire thing, and went back to bed. Happy as a clam!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    BTW - I am usually, a very healthy eater and this kind of behaviour is extremely out of the ordinary.....but sometimes - ya just gotta treat yourself!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's also great cold.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I wouldnt know that really because usually I eat the box in its entirety all at once!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        (no - I know - it is good cold)

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I do like the KM&C, but I really need it to be at least warm. Just a foible of mine, I guess, LOL!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                            lol!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Come on - admit it - it WOULD be sad if someone out there hasnt' ever even tried KM &C!! - Right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nope. It just means more of the Good Stuff for ME!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              >:D

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also just great if you let it get cold, mix in an egg, make it into patties, bread them and saute them. Talk about gilding the lily and unnecessary work, though, for a product which is virtually perfect just the way it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sounds pretty good though!
                                                                                                                                                                                                            But I feel guilty enough eating it as it is!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have a box in the cubbard now burning a hole it in...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        3. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                          BUT the delux version is great if you're snowed in and are out of milk. That happened when the girls, now in their 30s, were little.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Do you know - I never use milk anymore - or butter for that matter...I use a bit of white wine!
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Its delicious. i got that idea here from a fellow hound..
                                                                                                                                                                                                            If I don't have wine, I just mix the cheese in dry...no need for the extra calories - eating the box is bad enough!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wow! I ALWAYS have wine even if I don't have milk :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Loved Stouffers French Bread Pizza. Used to come home from school and eat both that came in the box. Burned my mouth everytime. Recently checked the fat content and was blown away.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also loved the Swanson Chicken Pot Pies. Took like 50 min in the oven because there were no microwaves at the time. Burned my mouth on those too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Chef-Boy-Ardee
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Kraft Dinner
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Instant noodles of any kind
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Rice a Roni
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hamburger helper
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jarred pasta sauce

                                                                                                                                                                                                        My mum never bought stuff that was a mix or came in a can at all. As a result I just don't either. There are a few campbell's soups (bean with bacon is my junk food - make it with milk ) that I like and I don't make my own pesto any more. Can't really think of any other pre-made foods that I buy. Oh yes - I buy soup stock and sometimes salad dressings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Really? You make your own pasta all the time. I am impressed.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          You make your own ketchup and mustard, press your own olive oil too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: princeofpork

                                                                                                                                                                                                            That was a little snarky.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't eat pasta
                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't eat ketchup.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes I have made my own mustard but there are some yummy ones that I buy too.
                                                                                                                                                                                                            That ok?
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Press my own olive oil? Now you are just being silly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                                                                                              You don't eat pasta?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              EVER?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Wow!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Wow!" is right. Never eating pasta? I would be another person. Not me. It's always been my favorite food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's not really that remarkable. I grew up without pasta because I was misdiagnosed with Celiac so all wheat products were eliminated from my diet. When I found out I really was allowed to have wheat, pasta just never held any appeal. I see it as a delivery device for good sauce and veggies so I skip the pasta and just add more veggies to good sauce. Honestly I don't see the attraction. I'd rather have quinoa, brown rice, couscous or something grainier like that and even that is not very often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's not surprising, with your history, but it IS sort of remarkable. Pasta is ubiquitous in this country. I don't think I've ever met anyone before who has never eaten pasta. They may HATE it, but they've at least eaten it somewhere along the line.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Of course the celiac misdiagnosis explains that, as would an allergy or other medical condition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've never eaten a PBJ. How's THAT for nutz?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Dito on the PBJ. Stupid sandwich idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Nooo!! Growing up without bread I sooo wanted to have PBJ sandwiches that I spread pb on a slice of cheese, added raspberry jam and another slice of cheese. It was a pbj cheese sandwich. Now that was misguided. But still, for an 8 year old, kinda good. I did it more than once. Now that I can have bread I do have toasted pbj on a chilly sunday morning once a year or so. It's a secret treat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Secret treat? why? I eat that 4 times a week. On whole wheat it itsfull of protein and low in fat and very filling. It a great breakfast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: princeofpork

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Peanut butter on regular Shredded Wheat and covered w/ hot milk is a winter treat in the icy far north.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                that's plain weird but sounds intriguingly delicious.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Any other toppings allowed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Depends, if one is a German National Socialist Party member, no. All others go for it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The hot milk melts the peanut butter. Wicked good on a subzero morning.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I have never had SPAM. Never. Didn't have a Slim Jim or Beef Jerky until I was about 30.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Sumodo

                                                                                                                                                                                                            My parents kept kosher in the house, and SPAM was not exactly something you'd order in a restaurant (like, say, bacon), so I never had the pleasure of trying it either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think I might have tried Underwood Deviled Ham at some point, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Never had Dinty Moore Stew either. Just not a big "meat in the can" sort of guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Now, Slim Jims. That's good eatin'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Bob W

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Slim Jim ingredients: beef, mechanically separated chicken, water, corn syrup, salt, less than 2% of: spices, dextrose, paprika and paprika extractives, flavoring, hydrolyzed soy, corn and wheat proteins, lactic acid starter culture, sodium nitrite. Contains soy and wheat

                                                                                                                                                                                                              "Mechanically separated chicken" was defined in another recent thread, "Offal - or Awful - in a can". Hydrolized soy breaks down into MSG.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                No wonder I liked them so much :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Probably. Most of the ingredients are "flavor enhancers", LOL!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As I age, I'm always hoping that there are plenty of preservatives in the food I eat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have had that thought at times as well. Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, the effect has probably been to tan my insides while my outsides continue to deteriorate at a faster rate than I might desire.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      : (

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. When jfood was growing up he loved beef-a-roni. It was one of the saving meals, cooked in a presto popcorn popper, in college. Every now and then he also ate the cheese ravioli. Every now and then he stares at the cans in the grocer and thinks maybe he will. But then he thinks of all the things that tasted great way back when and taste horribly now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Now onto the things he has never tried:

                                                                                                                                                                                                            spam
                                                                                                                                                                                                            ramen noodles
                                                                                                                                                                                                            most healthy cereals
                                                                                                                                                                                                            most frozen dinners (carve out mrs swansons tv dinners, pot pies and celentano)
                                                                                                                                                                                                            most of trader joes

                                                                                                                                                                                                            and until recently head cheese

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Nope. I want to try everything at least once before I die, from Spaghetti-Os to Thomas Keller's "Oysters and Pearls" to dry-fried Szichuan pig intestines. None of those were on the culinary radar growing up. But why not try it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              My mom refused to have Chef Boy-Ar-Dee products in the house, but a few years back my daughter had some of the canned ravioli at a friends' house and wanted to give it another try. So I had a taste too. Not an experience I plan to repeat in the near future. Or ever. Spaghetti-Os don't suck as much, but neither are they something I'm going to seek out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              On the other hand, I didn't have SPAM until around age 40, and it's become a fixture around the house. Fried up crisp with eggs and rice for breakfast, or glazed with teriyaki and pressed into musubi - mmmm, salty fatty porky goodness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              It bothers me when anybody turns up their nose at a dish, whether because it's strange or because it's "inferior." Sure, fresh-prepared traditional ramen is **better** than the stuff in the cello-paks. But then Mozart's K364 is **better** music than The Ramones' "Blitzkrieg Bop." That doesn't mean you cant enjoy a little three-chord head-banging fun now and then.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              So if there's something you haven't ever been exposed to, why not give it a shot? Whether it's foie gras or Dennison's chili, try it - you might like it! And while there are barriers to entry for some foods (those who haven't ever eaten truffles should probably avoid bidding on them at auction), the worst that can happen if you don't care for a cheap mass-produced food is that you toss it in the trash.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm vehemently opposed to wasting food. But IMO the only thing worse from a Chowhound perspective is refusing to try a food because you might not like it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I never tried sweetbreads until this year, and now I can't get enough.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Sure, fresh-prepared traditional ramen is **better** than the stuff in the cello-paks."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, you're right, and you're also right that the cello-pak stuff has its time and place. When it's a cold snowy day, and you're wet, tired, and chilly after shoveling all the snow off the driveway, a piping hot bowl of instant beef ramen (fortified with a few frozen vegetables, some thin slices of rare beef, and a splash of beef broth in addition to the "flavour" packet) takes about 4 minutes to make, and doesn't taste near as bad as one might think. I make the chicken stuff in much the same way, except it gets a shot of sweet chili sauce as well. It might not be right up there in the delicious department, but for around $1 for a huge serving (including the added meat and veg), it has a place in flavour/value rankings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "But then Mozart's K364 is **better** music than The Ramones' "Blitzkrieg Bop."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I beg to differ! I can sing all the words to Blitzkrieg Bop but haven't a clue as to what Mozart's K364 even is. Give me some classic punk over that long-haired classical stuff anytime! :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I listen to Tim McIlrath a lot more than Isaac Stern, but my take on music is similar to my take on food - keep coming back to what you like, but try everything because you might find something new you want to keep coming back to. Otherwise you might as well listen to top 40 and eat at Applebee's, where everything is safe, familiar, and excruciatingly boring.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      K364 is the "Sinfonia Concertante for Violin, Viola, and Orchestra in E Flat Major." An absolutely brilliant piece of music. Here's the beginning - give it a listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJuabu...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ITA with this approach to life. That said, I think Chef Boyardee is gross and I do not plan on (but don't categorically rule out) eating it ever again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm also not too keen on eating brains again. Otherwise, bring it on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        gotta disagree on the ramones, man. mozart was just an earlier, poppier version.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        never had:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        slim jims
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        spam
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        frozen dinners
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        rice-a-roni
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        twinkies and assorted other candy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        but i didn't grow up in the US, so..... sure, mom would "make" canned ravioli on occasion, and i am pretty sure the German version isn't any better tasting than the American.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wonder if CBRD's products weren't maybe a little better back in the '50s and '60s.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Certainly better than pot roast and green jello salad!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: julesincoq

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thankfully, my mother never put anything in jello.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Pot roast and green jello skeeves me a bit but my mom had a whole roster of jello-fruit combinations: Mandarine oranges + orange jello; canned pears and red jello; canned fruit cocktail and green jello. Quite yummy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: tcamp

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We had the fruit and too...canned peaches and raspberry. I was surprised to see it served as salad when I first went to Iowa, we had it as dessert.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. So ttoommyy, your worst food nightmare would be being forced to eat Chef Boyardee heated up by someone you didn't know well? (Couldn't resist. Kidding.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ABSOLUTELY!!! lol!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I kid because I love. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LOL!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. I was 23 the first time I ate a Big Mac and it never happened since in 12 years.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You are missing out on one of the greatest food creations of the 20th century.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: princeofpork

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I just like the McChicken better...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm a Quarterpounder w/Cheese man, myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      PK, only because Lotaburger is to far away.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If they'd branch into West Texas I'd surely provide them with some bidniss. That said, good old Texas burger stands manage to crank out some mean burgers even without the green chile. As for Micky D's and the occasional QPC, every now and then I just get the craving and nothing else will do. Same goes for the CB Rav in the can. Can't really explain it. Imagine it is some combination of biological and psychological factors, but that could be said for most of our predilections and antipathies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Must agree on the McD thing. About every six months, I see a commercial for a Big Mac on TV, and they look so good and so big; then I go get one, and the first few bites while it's hot taste really good. By the time I'm finishing it, though, I'm remembering why it was six months since I had one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LOTTABURGER is the only chain I frequent. I think, no, I know 'Nam had its effect and I crave real food. I want a burger, I go get a real burger.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have a real aversion to food in cans, that I did not have before Viet Nam.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I enjoyed CB Rav as a kid, but no mo'.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          +1, tho we call it royal with cheese '-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Funny I am 44 and I have never had one! If someone else had one I might like to try a bit cause I'm curious but it just looks tooo ummm like sausyish. I'm not a huge fan of mayo on a burger so that just look too drippy to me. But I should try it 'their way' just for the experience.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      As far as the canned ravioli stuff though I think I will just say no. It smells bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I, thank god, have never eaten a Big Mac. Or a Whopper. Or a McFish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        *shudder*

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fair enough. I feel the same way about organ meats. To me they are repellent on their face and I have no desire to subject myself to them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm half-kidding. But only half-kidding.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I would, I will have to say, far rather eat a Big Mac, or even a Whopper, than be faced with having to scarf down any variety of "organ meat".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            *SHUDDER*

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You can tell that's a REAL shudder, cuz it's in caps.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not even skirt steak? It's an internal organ - the diaphragm, to be precise.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Me, I love offal. Can't get enough sweetbreads. Or heart. Tripe and intestines are yummy, and liver can be great, too. I've never had a kidney preparation that did it for me, although I can imagine them being tasty. Spleen, on the other hand, is the most disgusting thing I've ever put in my mouth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's the downside to being willing to try anything - you occasionally get something that's just nasty. But the upside is finding new and interesting flavors and textures, and for me it far outweighs the downside, since truly vile dishes are few and far between.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So go out there and try yourself some grilled beef heart. Or foie gras. Or sweetbreads. Once you've introduced yourself to "gateway" offal, you can move on to a big steaming bowl of menudo or some pho with book tripe and tendons. And from there? Maybe you'll even like spleen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I barely eat plain old MEAT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The other stuff you mention is RIGHT out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not ever going to try haggis either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                *SHUDDER* *SHUDDER* *SHUDDER*

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And while we're at it,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LUTEFISK.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have a Norwegian friend who reproaches me for merely MENTIONING the Dreaded Lutefisk.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How to eat lutefisk:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7X6Z_...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    lutefisk+
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    http://www.roadfood.com/Forums/tm.asp...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Get a new Norwegian source. I know Americans that don't like hamburgers, hot dog, of pizza.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It is very mild in flavor.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      What do you like, ZJ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Didn't know that about skirt steak. But frankly, it's far from my favorite cut of meat. I go to Mexican and Tex-Mex restos on a regular basis but seldom order fajitas. And the ones I've made have been culinary fiascos.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As for my "philosophy" on this, all I can say as that I know my tastes very well. Based upon what I've liked and disliked in the past, and what I know about a given dish or ingredient, I can predict with ca. 95% accuracy whether or not I will like it. And for me the odd pleasant surprise is not worth the manifold other experiences of revulsion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Different strokes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Funny. And I would rather eat freshly prepared organ meat than anything in a can or by a chain.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I wonder if shrinks read these posts for personal pleasure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Like I said, different strokes. One thing my time on CH has made crystal clear is that food preferences are deep, complex, and intensely personal. Obvious, I know, but CH has driven this home in a powerful way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        No disagreement, neighbor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I had a mcfish thing once! I was hung over and it was the best food I'd ever had in my life!! I loved it. Can't for the life of me see why now. Over processed icky mayo covered grease patty. Go figure - it's good hang over food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  5. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    We (my twin brother and I) used to get Burger King when our parents went out and left us with a babysitter, but I literally hadn't had it since I was ten or so (or whatever age they let us fend for ourselves, I have no idea). Anyway, two weeks ago, went to Vegas for my anniversary and in the airport on the way back I started CRAVING BK. Up and left my husband waiting for our flight to go get some- he was shocked. I almost never eat fastfood and I literally marched like a zombie over to BK. And then I hated it, it was weird.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mjhals

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Who says subliminal advertising doesn't work???

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  6. Forgot to add Cheez Whiz.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When I see the ads with the gloopy sheets of thick orange slop oozing all over broccoli and hotdogs I feel numb.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Even as a kid I couldn't understand why people would ruin perfectly good broccoli with cheez. Or ranch dressing. I've never eaten ranch dressing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mpjmph

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Almost 20 years ago we moved from SF to So. Oregon and were introduced to ranch dressing as a "condiment" for pizza! You just barely dip the upcoming bite into it. It's honestly pretty tasty. Next time we're up there I'll have to try that again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mpjmph

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You're going on the assumption that there is such a thing as 'perfectly good broccoli'. The only way I've ever found that vegetable tolerable is indeed buried under a cheese coating which manages to disguise its inherent vileness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. My mom wasn't a particularly good cook, but she wasn't into "feeding bourgouise food" to us, so we never had things like Chef Boyardee at home; she'd be way more likely to do creamed tuna on toast (tuna, mushroom soup, peas, etc.), like that wasn't all just canned food too!! I was sooooooooo jealous of classmates who got beefaronis and things like that. The canned tamales also looked good; never once did i get to taste them. : ( I was also really interested in canned chicken ala king, but she hit the brakes there too. Chunky soups, absolutely not. Maybe Campbell's chicken noodle or tomato. Interestingly enough, she had Velveeta in the house at all times, so we were definitely getting mixed messages about what was considered okay and what wasn't. To this DAY I can't eat green grapes without feeling guilty, or iceberg lettuce. Oy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Canned tamales are oddly good, but obviously a completely different animal from the real enchilada.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. OP: "I'm 49 and have NEVER tasted a Chef Boyardee product "
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Take a few minutes to recall and think about the best Italian meals you've ever had ..., home cooked by your Italian mother and other relatives..... hopefully you have fond memories of fine meals in Italy.....the freshest best ingredients, the pastas handmade with care and love, the wonderful flavors.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, Chef Boyadee IS EXACTLY like those.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ilikefood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm 63 and I've never been to a COSTCO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ilikefood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ilike ilikefood's post! a stellar career in advertising awaits...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ilikefood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                OMG that's the funniest thing I've ever read on CH!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Slim Jims (the concept of meat as snack doesn't grab me), beef jerky in general, straight canned corned beef (not hash) is about all I can think of. Exposed to just about every other canned or processed food growing up (along with much more really wonderful fresh homemade/grown stuff).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I wonder if this isn't one of those "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus" generalizations? I've obvserved that many men look for meat & spice for snacks and most women (Yes, you Kattyeyes) are sweeties; Chocoholics.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Butt, I too was both exposed to a lot of canned stuff in the 50's, by a first generation American mom. I think she was both curious and wanted us boy to be "American". She was, in addition, and excellent cook w/ acess to a farm. Except for 10-for-a-dollar pot pies in college, I pretty much exchew canned goods.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Funny, Vienna sausage reminds me of boy scout camping trips.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm somewhere in the middle, then - non-meat but salty for snacks, chocolate only if in the mood.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The canned and processed foods were marketed as and perceived as "advanced" and "modern", an improvement on the real thing that took real work to produce. I remember how psyched (anachronism dep't) my mom was when instant mashed potatoes came out - no more peeling boliing mashing rushing to get them to the table hot - and how disappointed she was when she made and tasted them (and threw them out).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Instant mashed potatoes, like lutefisk, are only edible with the addition of large slabs of butter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Or bacon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hmmmm , it occurs to me that they have something in common. Both pale somewhat gelatinous masses of unrecognizable original substances . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ugh. I have to comment on this. Seriously? Is it because girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice?? Sheesh.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Never had a sweet tooth in my life, despite my vagina. Have you ever met a woman that doesn't love french fries? Or a man who doesn't inhale their brownies? Please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: babydoctor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        what about the beer nuts?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: babydoctor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sheesh! What kind of brownies?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: babydoctor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's just cultural baloney, no need to get all militant about it. I know not one man who will spontaneously wax poetic on sweet foods. But they will eat them until they are sick if you serve them. I know many women who wax poetic on sweet foods. They eat less of that than the men I have over, by far. It's just not that simple. But thank you for injecting your VAGINA into our food discussion, I bet a lot of people appreciated that. Can we start talking about Penises too now? After all, if it's not EXACTLY EVEN IT MUST BE SEXIST.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm a woman and I have no sweet tooth. I like french fries and burritos. I don't believe this preference is tied to my gender. And I don't get pissed off at my female friends for talking about chocolate, or at my male friends for eating chocolate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            "Vienna sausage reminds me of boy scout camping trips."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Not touching that with a 2-inch pole.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As a child, you perv! I haven't eaten VS since the Pres. Kennedy 50 mi hikes. That dates me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I can honestly say I've never eaten a VS. I don't like hot dogs of any sort, either. I've tried, as recently as this summer, but they're gross. The best thing I can say about hot dogs is that they're a rather efficient delivery system for ketchup, French's-style mustard (the screaming yellow stuff), and relish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Braaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahaha pepsi feels AWFUL when it comes out my nose.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lone Star Light is little better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Drinking "lite" beer is like making love w/ ones clothes on; what's the point? Aughta be illegal
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Keg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There used to be a bar outside of town (famous for hiding Claude Dallas) that if you asked the bartender/owner for a light beer, he would take a regular beer , pour half out and fill the canback up wirh water.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: nvcook

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Urban myth: The Crown & Anchor in LV would throw you out!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: nvcook

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Which reminds me of an old restaurant trick we used to use:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If a customer asked for gingerale and we didn't have it, some servers would fill the glass with Sprite and add a splash of Coke to color it like gingerale. With the generic gingerale that is served in most restaurants, nobody ever noticed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am intrigued by this ... and now will have to go get some sprite and try it

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Tabasco-flavored Slim Jims are viands of the Gods. Well, redneck Gods, anyway. And I could honestly live a fairly happy life eating nothing but jerky and quaffing Lone Star Light.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We already know you breathe and sweat testosterone, my man. (Insert wink here)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  (Tabasco-flavored might be OK, come to think of it...hmm...)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    At first I read that as 'tobacco-flavored Slim Jims' and it didn't even sound half bad...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Smoke on smoke--not a bad idea at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: AnchovyBourdain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Until very recently all of the Slim Jims in the world were made in North Carolina, so tobacco-flavored Slim Jims aren't much of a stretch... Alas, there was a natural gas explosion at the plant and ConAgra set up emergency Slim Jim production in Ohio, then realized it would be cheaper to just close the NC plant entirely. And now all the Slim Jims are made in Ohio...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The packaging is very off-putting (like that of the Beer Nuts of yore). How about a Virginia Slim Jim?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You've come a long way, my buttertartlet. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hey, Slim Jim and Beer Nuts and one has a complete meal!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Don't know what an equivalent Female version would entail. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Granola bars and wasabi peas?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not for this female.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Fairly happy, but fairly short and fairly drunk. : )

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I heart Beer Nuts!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. We must have been early Hounds. Around 1960, my brothers/friends and I would go to corner mom & pop market, surprisingly tiny by today's standards, on a hot summer's day, and get a smoked whiting or chub and a Coke and sit in an oak grove and relax w/ out favorite treat.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I barely remember the canned junk, but this I vividly remember.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. A McDonald's hamburger of any type. Not one. Ain't gonna happen, nuther. I worked there for a few months in college, tho'.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If you worked there, I think you've probabaly eaten at least one by by osmosis though. ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I certainly left there with the stink of fry grease stuck to me. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Same here when I worked for Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips. My friends wouldn't come near me unless I went home and showered.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    When I worked for ALPO, my room mates made me strip and put my clothes in the luggage storage and come in and shower, before speaking to me. I cleaned the conveyer belt ovens.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    A college job.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I shot a video for Acme Smoked Fish a while back. Pluses: free smoked fish. Minuses: clothes, hair & skin stunk of smoked fish for longer than you might think. It smells good on the plate. Not so good on a person.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: small h

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        For 2 seasons I worked as a sternman on on a lobster bot. My job was filling the bait bags w/ rotten salt fish. My first wife made me strip behind the house, throw my clothes through the cellar window, so she could wash them, and sent me upstairs to shower, before kissing me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        In high school, I worked for the Sayrevile Sewage Dept.......
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        $1.65 / hr. and all you could eat.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You definitely win the stink war. I did my time filling ketchup and mayonnaise bottles back in high school, which is a smell you don't forget (and it's oddly nothing like either ketchup or mayonnaise), but that doesn't hold a candle to rotten fish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Though I ate there in my youth, I haven't stepped foot inside a fast-food joint except to pee in 20 years. That includes McD's, Burger King, KFC, Taco Hell, Arby's, and whatever else I'm forgetting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The only thing I remember that I actually might enjoy now is an Arby's Jamocha shake. Might being the operative word.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. Ok. I read the entire thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To this day I love Chef Boy Ar Dee spaghetti w/mini meatballs straight out of the can (it is a true guilty pleasure I don't allow very often). None of the other canned pastas or brands will do. Don't even speak to me about spaghetti-os.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Kraft Mac n Cheese in the blue box. You MUST add the milk before the butter. I did not learn this until the past year or so. It really makes a difference.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I'm not sure what the difference is between instant ramen and "real", but, on the surface, I would say "snotty". I mean, I like a good American grilled hamburger, but I'll still eat McDonald's occasionally.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: observor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So just if someone prefers the taste of a good grilled hamburger over a McD's burger, real Italian pasta over boyRD, or real ramen over instant, they are snotty? What if it is simply a taste preference - nothing more, nothing less?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Taste reigns supreme.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It seems any dish would/should benefit from superior ingredients and preparation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Taste reigns supreme.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It seems any dish would/should benefit from superior ingredients and preparation.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        _________________________

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hardly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There are many people, incl. Chowhounds here, that prefer Kraft Mac N Cheese over artisan, and supposedly gourmet, versions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Taste indeed does reign supreme. But what makes something tasty varies from individual to individual, and oftentimes is not correlated to ingredients or preparation.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I, for one, prefer Thrifty's Ice Cream to many other more artisan type stuff from gourmet ice cream shops, not always, but certainly some shops for sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I totally agree, ipsedixit!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          (I happen to be one hound who absolutely prefers Kraft boxed/powdered over real cheese mac & cheese....)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I love hamburgers...all kinds..I love a fresh ground and grilled burger, but sometimes I fancy a McD or even a White Castle burger - they are totally different experiences and really can't be compared.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Perhaps the gourmet version is "better", but when you have a craving for White Castles - nothing could ever be better!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Nah, I like the real thing, not Coke, but then maybe I'm just old......

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          huh?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree with you, Ms Nitney! Gimme a real burger, gimme real mac & cheese, Likfe's too short and unpredicitable.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Carpe Sam

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hate to break it to ya, but I'm a big fan of blue box mac (doctored up, of course, with ground beef or lamb, peppers, shrooms, and chilies). I don't eat it often, tho.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              OTOH, a real burger it must be. Ah, finicky Teutonica, what is thy wish....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: linguafood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'd rather use real cheese and noodles. Don't see the point of the blue box.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Green chile cheese burgers are next to Godliness.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. I'm curious how you knew you wanted to make Sloppy Joes if you'd never eaten one. For myself, I find the opposite to be true. I eat something in a restaurant and then, if liked, go home and make it. Did you grow up eating the "other" kind of SJ?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        While not the person to whom you addressed the question, I often want to try to make things I have never eaten before. Cooking is a joy to me and I love trying new things that I read about or hear about. Part of it is the challenge of doing something new and part of it is the anticipation of tasting a new dish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's hard to follow these replies c oliver, so I'm not sure if your question is directed at me, but I'll answer anyway...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think mostly because I had never had one and wanted to try one, but the idea of buying a can of Manwich (and thoughts of my dear departed parents looking down on me with disappointment) made me go in search of a recipe. After searching for a while, I found one on allrecipes.com that I liked and was well reviewed, so I tried it. From that day on my partner and I have been hooked on them and they are a staple at our house.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also agree with what decolady says above.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            So how did it compare to the NJ kind of SJ?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              IT DOES NOT COMPARE...IT DOES NOT COMPUTE...PUT DOWN THE MANWICH AND MOVE AWAY FROM THE TABLE. :-))

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've never had a NJ Sloppy Joe. Never heard of one until I saw it mentioned here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's really funny. I did the same thing with Sloppy Joes (although my sister raves about the canned stuff). I wanted to try them for the first time made from a recipe, not a can, and I still wasn't that excited about it. I won't turn up my nose if my nieces want me to share their Manwich meal, but I probably won't go out and buy a can myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Jfood's Sloppy Joe, on the other hand, I would love to try!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Most of the time I have a very good idea of whether or not I will like something before I even try it for the first time. This compels me to try certain things I've never tried before, and to avoid others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There are so many foods I eat now that I swore I would not like. Take steak tartare for example: I never, ever thought I could eat raw beef and raw egg. Now I absolutely crave it when it's on a menu. Same with beef jerky. My partner grew up eating it (home made). When we first got together 16 years ago I thought I could never like the stuff. He "forced" me to try it. Now when his mother sends us a care package of beef jerky, I can't wait to open it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm really struggling to recall the last time I sampled something new against my better judgment and was pleasantly surprised. I usually experience the revulsion I anticipate, and this is compounded if I've dropped a load of coin into the bargain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Of course, if you are certain that you won't be pleasantly surprised by a new dish, it's a given that you won't. In fact, asking yourself whether you think you'll like something you've never tried is, IMO, a closed-minded approach to food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Any dish served in a restaurant or eaten by a large number of people must have some redeeming qualities. So whether it's a Big Mac or foie gras or Bun Bo Hue with cubes of pig blood "jelly," my first question when faced with a new food isn't whether I think I'll like it, but what about it there to like.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'd even go so far as to say there's no food I don't like. There are a few I don't "get," for sure, and plenty that I have no desire to eat on a regular basis or even ever again. But the notion of "disliking" food - especially food I've never eaten - seems antithetical to the Chowhound approach.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So many dishes, so little time. Some of us just prefer to concentrate on the ones with the highest probability of being a pleasant experience. This is obviously a very subjective judgment, based on personal taste and experience.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "This is obviously a very subjective judgment, based on personal taste and experience."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A point that applies to roughly 99% of the posts on CH.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe that's a false dichotomy, though. Yes, there are plenty of dishes out there, and it's perfectly reasonable not to make a meal of something unfamiliar and even intimidating. But having a small taste of something new and different seldom has any impact on your ability to eat a meal of more familiar food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            We all have our comfort zones. And I'm not criticizing anybody for where they set their own boundaries. But there are those who refuse to question those boundaries or expand them, even by baby steps. They have no interest in finding better or different food. And IMO, that means they aren't Chowhounds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              By your logic, am I to assume, having tasted lots of different kinds of food and found them wanting, that I am not a Chowhound for having decided I'm probably not going to find better food than that which I deem "favorite," and cook, choose a restaurant, or cook accordingly?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Everybody enjoys familiar foods, and eats them the vast majority of the time. Nothin' wrong with that. But IMO a Chowhound is somebody who is willing to occasionally reach beyond those favorite foods and try something different. You don't have to go all Andrew Zimmern, but if your response to anything other than what your mom fed you before you hit puberty is "ewwww, yuck," then you're probably not a Chowhound.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm pretty sure having a dozen or so foods that you don't want to try, for whatever reason, doesn't qualify one in the category of responding "to anything other than what your mom fed you before you hit puberty (as) ewww, yuck""

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Speaking ONLY for myself, if there were a dozen or so foods that I wouldn't even try, I'd consider myself a picky eater. Again, for me only, I can't even imagine that. Hell, I was willing to try balut with Sam but we didn't get the chance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Definitely not. But going on at length about how icky they are probably does.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: alanbarnes

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I eat next to nothing my mother fed me before she learned to cook, which was several years after I hit puberty.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There are dishes you may not like, but refusing to even sample something seems a bit extreme to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm going to go back to the Chef Boy-Ar-Dee example. Even if you are a die-hard Italian spawned from the genes of Batali himself, is there really a rational reason not to even sample a bit of Chef's product? You may think you may not like it, but what's the harm in taking one simple little bite to confirm that suspicion?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can totally understand people refusing to eat something because they've tried it and find it wanting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But I can't comprehend someone completely refusing to eat something -- just once -- simply because they don't want to. Esp. if you are a Chowhound. If nothing else, aren't 'Hounds supposed to intrepid eaters?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you never even try something, like Chef Boy-Ar-Dee for example, how can someone say legitimately that, "oh, it's disgusting." Esp. if the follow-up is, "how do you know?" Without even trying it, the response would border either on the irrational or the unfounded, something like "oh, it just looks nasty" or "it comes from a can" or "it has preservatives" etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Eating is a multi-sensory experience. Sight and smell thus figure heavily in the equation. And if something looks and smells horrific, I'm not about to put it in my mouth.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The "idea" of certain foods is also a factor. Regardless of how it affects my senses, the simple idea of eating spider sashimi with confit of grub worm and a monkey brain slurry is a non-starter. But, hey, if eating anything and everything that somebody puts on your plate and calls food is what you're all about, good for you. And if failing to do so bars one for the society of Chowhounds, I can live with that. Call me a chowhound, instead.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I totally agree with you PK. I'm open to eating and trying a lot of foods, but I draw the line at certain things. Evolution has given us a keen sense of smell so that we can identify foods that may be potentially harmful to us, so it stands to reason that we can also figure out pretty much what may make us nauseated, upset our stomachs or just not like by smelling it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "And if failing to do so bars one for the society of Chowhounds, I can live with that. Call me a chowhound, instead."
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps we can call ourselves Chowpups.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ttoommyy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        but...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        To use brussels sprouts as an example, just the smell of them being boiled made me unwilling to ever try.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        But I had them as an appetizer where they were grilled with bacon-no smell and
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        wonderful taste- a whole new experience with a previously forbidden food.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now if I could just conquer Cauliflower...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Put a bunch of chopped garlic in several tablespoons of oil (a neutral oil is fine, or you can use flavorful olive oil or - mmmm - bacon fat). Cook until the garlic starts to brown. Strain the oil, reserving the garlic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          While the garlic is cooking, preheat the oven to 450 and break up a small head of cauliflower into florets. Toss the florets with the oil and spread them on a baking sheet. Don't crowd them together.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Roast the oiled cauliflower for 10-15 minutes, turning occasionally, until it starts to get dark brown in spots. Sprinkle the reserved garlic over and roast for a few minutes more. Don't let the garlic burn.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          My kids don't like cauliflower, but they love this stuff...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Perilagu Khan and ttoommyy,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If we relied on sensory inputs -- other than taste -- to determine whether we ate something, there would be many wonderful foods that mankind would be sheltered from.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Some examples:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Durian (smell)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oysters (sight, maybe even touch)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Huitlacoche (touch, palate-wise)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And you mention the "idea" of certain foods. What about Kopi Luwak coffee? Certainly the idea of roasting beans extruded as part of the fecal matter of a civit-like creature cannot be all that appetizing, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also, I think your example of spider sashimi with a confit of grub worm and monkey brain slurry, etc. is a bit extreme and doesn't really comport with what really started this discussion -- i.e., Chef Boy-Ar-Dee.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The spider sashimi isn't part of popular culture the same way that a can Chef's finest is. I do think it is sort of self-confining to refuse to even try a product that is so widely accepted and popularized in general society. I don't think you can say the same about spider sashimi, with or without the monkey brain slurry.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just think that when a person refuses to even try a food that is so commonly woven in general conversation, they've sort of ostracized themselves unnecessarily.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just my 0.02. My initial post on the matter certainly wasn't meant to challenge either of your credentials as 'Hounds.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll have nothing to do with durian, oysters, huitlacoche and kopi luwak, but I'm a Chef Boyardee man, dam' right I am. My point here is I thought we had drifted away from the Chef and were talking about food in general.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm with PK. Experience tells me I'm not going to like the flavor of something whose smell disgusts me. So why in the world would I put something in my mouth that fails the sniff test?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If _you_ feel _your_ bonafides are dependent on your trying absolutely everything that is placed in front of you at least once, well, you are a very different eater than I.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have a friend who says she would literally die of boredom if she had to eat at the same restaurant more than once a month, whereas for me, it's about finding the places I really like, then going back to them again and again. For me, that's a much more valid food experience than trying everything the world has to offer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Two kinds of chowhounds in the world, obviously.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Faux-hound. :-) I guess that makes me one of those, too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: ipsedixit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Speaking as someone who loves the Chef - well, at least one or two of his products - I don't have a problem with someone deciding something is disgusting based on how it looks or what the ingredients are.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Taste is only one way to make these kinds of determinations. Many many vegetarians won't eat meat because they find the idea of the process of slaughter and butchery of another living creature to be disgusting. It would be ridiculous and judgmental to insist that they "try some" before being allowed to make that judgment.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And if someone doesn't have a dozen foods that they don't like, maybe they just haven't tried enough different things yet, LOL! A mere dozen!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: ZenSojourner

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I think the point was a dozen foods that someone wouldn't even try, not a dozen foods that they don't like. But I've traveled a fair amount of the world and I can't think of twelve things I actively dislike.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Me too. I love to eat and there are very few things that I can think of that I really don't like.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My sister will claim she loves to eat, and she does enjoy the food she likes, but there are so many things she won't eat or even try.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have to say I just don't understand it. (and admit that it kind of drives me nuts)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                She doesn't like "Mexican" food....when asked what there is about it not to like - she'll say "It looks messy".
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                She will say things like "Ew - I'd never eat snails!"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But she eats shrimps and clams....Go figure...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To me she is not a real food lover or chowhound, even though she will claim otherwise.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                To me a real food lover is a bit more adventurous,at least -when it comes to food. And this would include liking, or at least experimenting with - things such as Big Macs and Spaghettio's.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Variety is the spice of life and to deprive oneself of all the vast food experiences to be had, to me - is indeed sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  NellyNel, you make some very pertinent points here. If we claim to be Chowhounds, it does mean that we'll try the low end (fastfood) as well as reaching for the high end of the gustatory experience.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'd be willing to bet that your sister's aversion is due to the "slime factor" inherent in most people's thoughts about snails - my Baby Sister's the same way; she finds even the thought of snails repellent, but boyoboy, put a conch fritter in front of her and she's all over it. And I never, never say a word about what it really is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And, I do occasionally grab a fastfood burger. It is what it is. Except for the Carl's Jr. Ads that try to make me believe I'm getting a "Black Angus! Sirloin Burger" (which would turn anyone off the actual Black Angus beef), I don't expect much more than they give. And am never disappointed. : )

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mamachef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    100% agreeing with your low-end/high-end axiom!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Variety is the spice of life and to deprive oneself of all the vast food experiences to be had, to me - is indeed sad."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm a "real food lover" and a chowhound, but I've never had a McD hamburger of any kind and I'd rather drill hot screws into my eyeballs than to have one, or a can of Spaghetti'Os, which I ate, but thought were barely passable as food even as a kid.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Our values are different, that's all, and the choices that derive from them. I don't think less of you for being willing to eat that stuff, and I'm really not prepared to accept diminished chow status for having standards of my own, either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I hear ya...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      .............But darn - a Big Mac can be soooo goood sometimes!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cant blame you for not wanting to eat canned spaghetti products though, they are pretty gross!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: NellyNel

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Um, ever seen a cow get slaughtered and put into a Big Mac?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pasta ain't that bad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: observor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          oh brother!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: observor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If we weren't supposed to eat them, they wouldn't be made of meat. But I don't want to support the type of cruel and unwholesome practices that produce the meat at McDonald's, ever.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: observor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree on a cruelty level ... I'd rather eat happy meat ... grass fed, free range etc... The kind that was slaughtered in it's happy state. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: DishDelish

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hunt! they never knew what hit 'em.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Free range, organic and very lean.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't know why more health conscious foodies don't hunt.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Getting bloody is good for the soul and humility.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Passum''s got a good point about hunted killed harvest.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'll focus my post to the weed of the east coast:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  the growth of the herd of the deer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Once we get past the warm feelings
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  of Bambi, and the filmed later Yearling,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We've got to admit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  that the deer that are hit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  on our highways and byways are astounding.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Long protected, these deer are abounding.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  they fill furry bellies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  with my tree's ripe mulberries
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and they wreak some deep havoc in suburban gardens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  There's nothing that;s further from Chef Boyardee
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  than medallions of deer tenderloin muscle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Those discs gleaned from the back
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Send canned ravioli's packin'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  with a silent and embarrassed shuffle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So, I'd like to see an extended season
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  when can harvest good venison
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  moving past myth and mythos
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  of sweet- teared Bambi.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: FoodFuser

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There's nothing that;s further from Chef Boyardee
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    than medallions of deer tenderloin muscle.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Those discs gleaned from the back
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Send canned ravioli's packin'
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    with a silent and embarrassed shuffle.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LOL!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The sainted Chef has been worsted
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    by a poetaster accursed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ohhh I love the taste of good wild game meat. Mmmmm, moose from my childhood was divine. Unfortunately my Father didn't hunt much and my DH doesn't either but does have a good friend who has invited him recently so I'm hoping....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. re: DishDelish