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European versus American dishwashers

Fuffy Oct 17, 2010 01:28 AM

I am thinking of buying a Bosch or Miele dishwasher, but on another thread I read that European dishwashers don't have a food grinder, therefore a food trap has to be emptied now and again. Is this so for both brands and how much of a pain is it?
Another questions, it seems from that same thread that Miele service is better than Bosch but I assume that in Manhattan, service is not a problem?
Thanks very much for any advice.

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  1. Politeness Oct 17, 2010 04:16 AM

    Fuffy: "I am thinking of buying a Bosch or Miele dishwasher, but on another thread I read that European dishwashers don't have a food grinder, therefore a food trap has to be emptied now and again. Is this so for both brands and how much of a pain is it?"

    It is so for both brands; we empty the trap on our Miele about once a month, and there is very little in it.

    If you put your salad plates into the dishwasher with whole lettuce leaves on them or put the dinner plates in with chicken bones still on them, you will have to empty the trap more often. We do not rinse our dishes before loading, but we do scrape all large solids into the garbage before loading.

    Our only recurring trap issue is a consequence of our practice of washing empty glass and plastic bottles and metal cans in the dishwasher before putting then into the recycling bin. The glue that holds the labels onto some bottles and cans appears to be a relative of rubber cement, and it forms strings of stretchy goo around the top of the filter.

    (Somebody should start a thread about label glues; I imagine some amusing anecdotes would surface. If I were dictator of the world, I would require that all labels be affixed with the same glue that Bonne Maman of France uses on its jars of preserves, and the glue that Solid Gold brand uses for the labels of its canned dog food would be banished. NASA well would look into the Solid Gold can label glue for holding the parts of its rocket modules together.)

    As for service, the praise for Miele is not that its service is more widely available than service for other brands, but rather that it is more customer oriented -- and, more especially, that it is so very rarely needed.

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    1. re: Politeness
      sunshine842 Oct 19, 2010 02:44 AM

      Bonne Maman knows you want to reuse the jar for your own jam, so the label slips off quite easily. (How many millions of Bonne Maman jams are sitting right now on shelves across France, full of homemade confiture for the fourth or fifth time?!)

      You do know, by the way, that there's no reason to remove the labels from dog food tins? It's not a problem with metal tins, because the labels will be burned away during the recycle process...as will the glue.

      I refuse to use the time and energy and water to fully wash recyclable containers -- a quick rinse to keep the animals away is all mine get before being sent to the bin.

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      Isolda Oct 17, 2010 05:23 PM

      We have a Kenmore, built by Bosch, and yes, it has a food trap. We rinse all dishes thoroughly before putting them in the dishwasher, and we rarely have anything in the trap. It's super easy to pull out and put back. I've had my machine for about 6 years and it has never broken, which was not the case with the wretched Fisher-Paykel it replaced.

      Most European dishwashers don't have grinders because the whole concept of garbage disposals just doesn't exist there, as far as I know. They are great for people with septic systems.

      1. BobB Oct 18, 2010 09:05 AM

        I'm not sure why you would go to the extra expense of a European model - especially if it doesn't have a food grinder! We've been very happy with our KitchenAid since we bought it about seven years ago. It has a stainless interior, food grinder (we just scrape large chunks off plates, no need to rinse) and it cleans everything from pots to stemware effectively. We run it at least four or five times a week (we do a lot of cooking at home) and it's never given us a lick of trouble. Cost us maybe $600 back then.

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          Fuffy Oct 19, 2010 02:01 AM

          I have a KitchenAid, and it seems to me it has never cleaned as well as the Miele I have in a second home. I can't remember how old the KitchenAid is (15 years?) perhaps new ones are better and quieter. My KitchenAid is so old that it has a long wait while it heats up but my repairman says they don't have that feature anymore..

          1. re: Fuffy
            BobB Oct 19, 2010 05:32 AM

            The newer ones (ours, at least - which is an upper-range model) doesn't have those issues - it's quiet enough that you can comfortably eat and converse in the kitchen while it's running.

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          jenni49 Oct 18, 2010 02:20 PM

          I love my 4 year old Bosch. I can't comment on customer service as I have yet to need them. The food trap is very easy to empty & reinsert, but I rinse dishes first so there is rarely anything in it.

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