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Isolda Oct 16, 2010 09:42 AM

We need a new fridge. We've found one that fits the space and our requirements (bottom freezer, counter-depth, 36 inches, 80 inches tall, either stainless or w/built in capability) and it's a Sub Zero. I don't mind spending $6K if it's really worth that price, but I hate the idea of paying for the name. We are not show kitchen people. (There is a Thermidor with similar specs, but it's uglier and costs more, so that's out.) Are we insane? Is there another fridge you know of that will suit the above requirements? (No GE or Amana, please--BTDT and was not happy!)

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    lsume82 Oct 5, 2013 08:51 PM

    I am a state certified mechanical contractor and a mechanical engineer. I purchased all of the mechanical equipment for our new home. The kitchen is all commercial equipment including a Thermadore commercial fridge. The MSRP for the fridge is, I believe, over $10K. Since my wife and I have a three story with commercial space on the first floor and an elevator which is to small for the fridge. I had to rent a Lull to lift the unit about 20' and also remove the patio guard rail. It was worth the price. A commercial fridge is built for heavy use and quick recoup of temperature. Since it's just my wife and I (kids are long gone) the unit does not get used to it's full potential. I keep up with the filter changes (about every 6months) for a $19+ dollar filter. I buy 3 or 4 at a time. There are many reasons to buy commercial. I hope this helps.

    1. Peter Sep 15, 2012 06:23 PM

      What seems to be missing from this discussion - at least in the recent replies -- is an issue I think I brought up a few dozen posts ago: the lengthy duration produce lasts in Sub-Zeros.

      I can put a head a lettuce in the produce drawer and 2 weeks later it still looks brand new. I can put herbs in a glass of water on a shelf and a week later they look like I just bought them.

      Is that worth the extra money? That's up to you. But I suspect that over the life of the fridge (which will likely be at least 20 years in my experience) you'll save 2x the extra cost on produce that would have otherwise gone bad.

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        KoolestKat1 Sep 16, 2012 05:51 AM

        I agree. The quality is un-comparable. Mine is 28 years old. One major repair a couple years ago. It's an amazing appliance. Comes down to - you get what you pay for.

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        nellybo Sep 3, 2012 06:50 PM

        Over 35 years of marriage we've had three Subzero fridges. With each new house and kitchen remodel, we decided to install Subs, partly for function, partly for aesthetics. We have never had a service call. My husband likes the fact that the condenser coils can be cleaned without moving the fridge (clean them every six months) and the coils are located on either the top or bottom of the fridge, not on the back like most other fridges. So, no wrestling the fridge out from the wall and damaging the floor (happened to us in our very first house). Also, the Sub is intelligently designed - it's simple. When I look in just about any other fridge than a built-in, they're full of flimsy plastic and appear to be awkward to use and because they're deeper, it's easy to forget about food hiden way in the back. I've learned over the years that people love to hate high end appliances thinking it's practically criminal to pay $$$to have them. I don't make the judgement either way because it's none of my business what people spend their money on. But, if you want a seamless look in your kitchen with great performance, consider a Sub.

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          sweetiepetitti Aug 26, 2012 09:28 AM

          Our Sub Zero 550 is 18 years old. We disconnected the ice maker because we never used it, but there have been no major repairs in the last 10 years we have owned it. If it died tomorrow, I would likely start at SubZero. That being said, I also have a GE side by side that we bought for our first house and have taken with us for the last 25 years. I have never had a repair done on it, and again, we do not use the ice maker. I am pretty regular when it comes to cleaning drip trays and coils...

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            KoolestKat1 Aug 21, 2012 04:40 AM

            Bizzare how great a subzero is. We, too, have a subzero that is old. I mean really old - 1984! Perfect. We have had it worked on several times, small things, and it is amazing. I cant imagine owning another.

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              shikken Jun 6, 2012 03:13 AM

              Reading this post has the same drama I have deal with when I show up at the customers home to repair these and other high end appliances.You're dealing with consumer input here.It would be be helpful to talk to a reputable appliance service technician to get input on reliability,cost of repairs,and any other issues.People can buy what they want for whatever reason they want.If financing image is important,then so be it.

              Most subzero's have 2 compressors/separate sealed systems allowing the freezer and fresh food side to run independent of each other and are unaffected mechanically by each other.The operating costs will be higher.The problem is if you move into a home with one of these built in SZ's,and we end up condemning it for repeated major sealed system repairs,you will have to buy another new SZ to fit in the same 6 1/2 foot high space,or get your remodeler out to do some wall work to fit a standard unit in the same area of your kitchen.

              Image costs money.As an appliance technician,the look of disappointment and disbelief on a customers face for repeated/expensive repairs on overpriced lifestyle products doesnt affect me one bit.Use common sense and dont let marketing ads dictate your life

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                1POINT21GW Jun 6, 2012 08:53 AM

                Thank you very much for your input.

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                  jwestmc Jul 4, 2012 06:49 AM

                  We have a 48 inch subzero that is on it's last legs. It has the panelled front that matches the cabinets, etc... and I've loved it, but the repair costs were horrible, and even getting some one to agree to come here and repair it was/is an ordeal, we are way in the country, if they didn't sell it, they don't want to service it. Anyway, you sound very knowledgeable, and we must do something now, the fridge side hardly cools now and the freezer side is totally gone.

                  Can you suggest a replacement brand of refrigerator that will have the same size specs (so we don't have to hire a carpenter) as this 48 inch one? It is a 1988 model, and identical in size specs to the current 48 inch SZ's.

                  Thanks..........

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                    haryinc Jul 4, 2012 11:27 AM

                    I recommend Kitchen Aid build in fridge.

                2. 1POINT21GW May 7, 2012 06:30 PM

                  The bottom, bottom line is everyone has different priorities with their money and everyone's definition of "worth it" for every individual product and service is different.

                  With that said, I can only speak for me (as well as share non-anecdotal findings of other reputable sources) and as for me, my goal is extreme early financial freedom (early retirement), I am very big on keeping more money in my pocket with every purchase I make or am considering making. The reason being is the less money I spend, the more money I keep, and the more money I keep, the more money I have for putting towards things that put money in my pocket (business, real estate, etc.).

                  But, that's just me. Everyone is different. There is no right or wrong here. Maybe emotional rather than logical . . . OK, just kidding. But, seriously, everyone has different priorities with their money, plain and simple.

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                    flourgirl May 8, 2012 09:25 AM

                    Everything you said is true - but people are ALSO allowed to have their opinions about it.

                  2. ChezFran May 6, 2012 09:39 AM

                    YES! Why?- Cabinet Depth, Simple, Quiet, All-Refigerator model 601 R or L and the associated All-Freezer model are the only refrigeration units that make sense to me but my husband and I are average to tall. Take a look at these models online. We bought the fridge first because we were tired of bending down to look in the fridge and didn't really want to get a bottom freezer only to be bending down to open it and we needed more capacity. The 601 model has the compressor on the bottom so your lowest food is the produce drawer that sits about 20" above the floor . (I'm not home so I am guessing. We have had these units for 10 years and they are brilliant! Now why am I here? Oh yes, Boudin at Fishermans Wharf..

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                      malibumike May 6, 2012 09:15 AM

                      Dont know if the're worth it but we just priced a SZ 48" glass front doors at pacific sales and it was about $15,000.

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                        latindancer May 8, 2012 09:46 AM

                        It's beautiful...

                        However it depends on the home it's going into. It's essentially a piece of art that showcases the food that's in it. I don't own this one but the home that I've been into? It's spectacular....like a beautiful painting.

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                        Isolda Oct 25, 2011 07:15 AM

                        You're responding to a thread that's a year old, but here's my update: we never got a new fridge. We just fixed our GE and it's still chillin' along. However, we are selling this house and buying another that actually comes with a Sub Zero, so I'll have one whether I want it or not. Glad to know yours is old and still works well!

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                          sophialoren Apr 20, 2012 02:30 PM

                          So I am reading this thread now as I am debating between a subzero and a frigidaire; now that you've had the subzero for a few months, what are your thoughts? Is it worth the extra $$$$?

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                            barmack5 May 3, 2012 05:47 PM

                            For whatever it's worth, I bought a house 2 years ago that came with a Sub Zero model 611 - it was put in by the owner in 2000. I noted a repair ticket in the manuals left with me, for a repair made a year after installation. I had to have the unit repaired last year, freon apparently was low. Unit worked fine for almost exactly a year, and now freon again is low, which means leaking evaporator that needs to be replaced. Internet research shows this is a common problem with SZ. Cost: evap is still under warranty (it's the 12th year) but part price is about $100. Labor: between $400-600. And the guarantee is only for 1 year. SubZero rep said unit has a typical lifespan of 15 years, so I expect either another huge repair bill or need to replace fairly soon. Twenty years ago I bought a Frigidaire or Amana, can't remember which, for about $300-400. It was still working the day I gave keys to new owner, after 15 years. Not once did it need a repair. Will never spend $6k for merely a name such as Sub Zero.

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                              flourgirl May 4, 2012 05:19 AM

                              I can't believe anyone pays that much for a refrigerator, period. Not unless it came with a heck of a long term warranty that covered everything including labor.

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                                1POINT21GW May 6, 2012 12:34 AM

                                Amen. Even a lifetime warranty would be debatable as to making the exorbitant price tag worth it.

                                Restaurants demand the best, most durable, and best priced equipment and tools - which is why you almost never find a Sub-Zero refrigerator in the kitchen.

                                Sub-Zero is the Monster Cable of appliances - marketing and hype with a ridiculously high price tag. Sub-Zero (and the similarly hyped company Viking) do not even list their prices on their websites - nor do most of their dealers. How silly is this? Are these refrigerators free? Visit most restaurant supply stores' websites and you'll find their prices are posted right there for everyone to see. I can either buy a Sub-Zero refrigerator or a restaurant-grade refrigerator that's three times the size . . . for the same money.

                                CNET's review of them sums it up pretty well:

                                " . . . for the average homeowner, these gourmet models often end up being style over substantive need."

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                                  splatgirl May 7, 2012 09:08 AM

                                  "Visit most restaurant supply stores' websites and you'll find their prices are posted right there for everyone to see. I can either buy a Sub-Zero refrigerator or a restaurant-grade refrigerator that's three times the size . . . for the same money."

                                  And it will use six times the electricity and be ten times as loud. It won't have the same handy storage configuration options, nor an ice maker, and it's also likely to be significantly less reliable and more maintenance-needy, at least based on my personal experiences. And good luck getting a commercial appliance repair person to come to your house ever, much less Saturday or Sunday, which in my world seems to be when fridges and freezers always break.

                                  Oh, and I forgot to mention that you can't build it in :(

                                  Also WRT the service/reliability thing, restaurant storage of fridge and frozen stuff is usually much, much shorter term than residential. You might lose a week of prepped something or thaw some meat that can go on the special for the next couple of nights if something breaks. That's not exactly the same as losing the whole fridge or freezers' worth of stuff you're storing at home. I dunno about you, but I buy my beef and pork a side at a time, poultry 20-30 birds at a time. That's a lot more than a resto would ever lose to a failure, so reliability is a bigger deal. Which is not to say that you'll get that by paying the insane $$ for SZ, but it is one of their selling points and you can get (same day) REPAIR. Any other fridge will be garbage, and good luck replacing it same-day.

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                                    flourgirl May 7, 2012 09:24 AM

                                    I've never once hooked up the ice makers in any of refrigerators we've ownd that included one, and the reason I don't is because they are constant source of irritation for people and often need repairs. I just don't see how it's a big deal to pop ice cubes out of a tray. (The only reason I buy fridges that have them is it is getting almost impossible to avoid without giving up other features.)

                                    While I have no experience with commercial units, I know lots of people who have had their sub-zero appliances repeatedly repaired - and they almost always have to wait a long time for parts. I just don't see the justification for paying such a ridiculous sum of money for something that is designed to keep food cold.

                                    Of course a lot of people who HAVE spent the money are going to be inclined to bend over backwards to justify the expenditure. It doesn't impress me.

                                    I think a lot of people buy SZ's just so that others will know that you not only have enough money to throw around to buy it but an even bigger wallet with which to fix it.

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                                      1POINT21GW May 7, 2012 10:21 AM

                                      I wouldn't be fooled into thinking how much money someone spends on a particular thing indicates how much money they have. Often, quite the contrary.

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                                        flourgirl May 7, 2012 11:51 AM

                                        LOL, not being fooled, 1POINT. My whole point is that I think most people buy stuff like this because of what they think it says to others about their financial situation. I live in the land of McMansions, many of which are nearly empty because the people who bought them can't afford to furnish them. Believe me, I am more than familiar with people who buy stuff they can't really afford. In fact, IMO, that is a very big reason why the country as a whole is in the trouble it's in right now.

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                                          ChezFran May 7, 2012 12:45 PM

                                          As 1point21gw alluded to, we purchased the SZ for the functionality. Our abode is so humble that when people walk in our kitchen it takes 2 minutes until they look past the Formica (old, worn out) countertops and plywood cabinets until they see the stainless fridge at which point they are shocked. Then they look around and see the freezer in the eating area and say, "is that another fridge?" I saved for a year, ate top ramen and hamburger so I could buy this fridge for cash. My husband (boyfriend at the time) loved it so much he did the same thing , saved up the money and replaced the 20 year old deep freeze with the matching freezer. I am only sharing all this to point out that a passion for eating good food can branch out to equipment and that is why some people buy these things.

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                                            CMCgrand4 Feb 13, 2014 09:14 AM

                                            I appreciate your comment back in 2012 and I hope your sz is still humming along. So many opinions that one can go bonkers when trying to make decisions. We are building a custom home and have so many decisions to make and all we want to do is build a sound, comfortable yet visually satisfying house. I don't want a SZ because it is a statis symbol and I dont have money to burn but have you seen the price of other 42" built in refridgerators?? Right up there with SZ. So if I can ask..what range are you cooking with?

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                                              ChezFran Feb 13, 2014 11:11 AM

                                              I still don't get how the SZ is a status symbol but would definitely recommend a cabinet depth refrigerator and freezer or combo unit. I watch HGTV House Hunters and so many nice kitchens have a fridge that looks like an afterthought.

                                              We cook on a Dacor duel fuel 30" range. It has an electric convection oven and a gas cooktop. It's been a very good range as far as cooking and baking goes. We really wanted a 36" Wolf at the time we bought it but figured that we didn't have the room for a 36" range. We've kicked ourselves ever since for 2 reasons. 1) We wish we had the built in griddle and 2) the plastic trim on the Dacor has cracked numerous times. The first time the plastic cracked the store we bought it from locally, Deward & Bode said sorry, it's off warranty. We then stopped by a Dacor booth at the Seattle Home Show and complained to the rep. We told her that it is obviously an inferior plastic they were using and should last more than one year. She sent the parts to Deward & Bode and they came out and replaced it on warranty. It broke again and we haven't bothered to replace it. We are planning on getting a new range and it functions perfectly so we don't care too much. Of course if the stove was our status symbol we'd keep replacing it:-) Good luck.

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                                            latindancer May 7, 2012 05:05 PM

                                            Exactly....

                                            The majority of people can't afford, not only the Sub-Zero but the possible maintenance expenditure that will go along with it.
                                            However...for the people who can afford it it's a wonderful investment. I've had mine well over 15 years and it's one of the best appliances I've ever purchased.

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                                          splatgirl May 7, 2012 03:52 PM

                                          SZ doesn't impress me, either. In my case they just work well, have never been a maintanence problem and don't end up in a landfill after 8 years.
                                          Anyway, my point was there's lots of reasons commercial fridges are less than ideal in residential settings whether you like ice or not. If they were as attractive functionally as they are, price-wise, you'd see them in kitchens everywhere--heck, they typically cost less than ANY residential fridge these days, nevermind SZ. It's not like 1POINT is the first/only consumer to notice the price difference.

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                                            flourgirl May 8, 2012 09:23 AM

                                            I'm not arguing about the SZ's functionalty (although it is generally acknowledged that they do not have a good over all repair record, easily verified on line). My argument is that they are vastly over priced for that functionalty and I would never pay it. And I CAN afford it. I choose to spend my money other ways, like on food. And I don't personally need a fridge that will keep food fresh for weeks. I buy what we need for a few days at a time, use it and buy some more. It's a lot cheaper than buying a $6,000 fridge, with potentially VERY expensive repairs in it's future to boot. I need something that will keep food cold, period.

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                                            EWSflash Jun 3, 2012 04:14 PM

                                            My refrigerator is in a spot that would be a big pain to hook up to plumbing for chilled water/ice. It got to be a hassle using ice cube trays ("who the hell left the empty tray in the damn freezer?!?") so now we buy it in ten pound bags. Makes for a lot less domestic strife. We use a lot of ice.

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                                      Isolda May 5, 2012 04:22 PM

                                      Ugh, you're scaring me. I love the Sub-Zero we inherited from the previous owners of this house. Hope it doesn't fail because I do not want to have to shell out for a new fridge of any make!

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                                        latindancer May 5, 2012 07:49 PM

                                        <the Sub-Zero we inherited from the previous owners>

                                        Have you had it professionally checked out since you purchased your home?
                                        A regular maintenance, including the vacuuming of the condenser, is crucial. I would never have anything other than a Sub-Zero. You absolutely pay for the name and it's worth it.

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                                          Isolda Jun 3, 2012 03:39 PM

                                          I just vacuumed off the condenser yesterday. Apparently, the previous owners *never* did it because that thing was filthy. Somehow, the fridge has survived all these years. With my old crap GE, I had to vacuum off the consenser every six months, or the freezer would get hot.

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                                        latindancer May 6, 2012 08:10 AM

                                        Sub-Zero's not for you.
                                        When purchasing a Mercedes. the owner knows going in, the maintenance costs/repair costs are going to be higher than, say, a Honda.
                                        It's all relative.

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                                        Isolda May 5, 2012 04:20 PM

                                        We've lived in a house with a 1995-era Sub Zero for 6 months now. I can't honestly say if they are worth the price of a new one, but I can say we love this one. It chills evenly, something our crappy GE Monogram did not do, and it makes the best ice I've ever had from a freezer ice-maker.

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                                          Peter May 6, 2012 04:17 AM

                                          I've never paid for a sub-zero but I've inherited them three(!) times in moves (four times if you count my childhood) and all I can say is that wow -- produce placed in a subzero lasts 3x to 5x as long as produce in the other fridges I've had.

                                          I don't know if that's worth the premium price -- I won't know until it's time to replace this one in a decade or two but for now I sure do appreciate the head of lettuce that stays fresh for two weeks.

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                                          seevolt Jun 1, 2012 04:07 PM

                                          Curious what you decided. Also curious if anyone has looked at Kenmore Elite counter depth French door fridge, which has 25 cu ft, whereas so many of the 36" wide counter depth or built in fridges have only 20 cu ft, which is too small. It feels more solid than so many of the other counter depth refrigerators (built ins excepted). Unsure if it's worth spending for true counter depth though, and/or if Kenmore might cheapen the kitchen...

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                                            Isolda Jun 3, 2012 03:35 PM

                                            I love this Sub Zero, but I doubt you can find the same model. It was installed when the previous owners renovated the kitchen in 1995 and it works very well, makes the clearest and cleanest tasting ice I've ever had from a home freezer, and never freezes my greens or melts my ice cream. Either we got very lucky or the thing is worth whatever price the previous owners paid for it. When this thing dies, which I hope won't be soon, we will definitely replace it with another Sub Zero and pray that it's as good as the one we currently own.

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                                          mikie Nov 19, 2010 09:47 AM

                                          I don't put all my eggs in the Consummer Reports basket, but Sub Zero doesn't usually get a very good review from a product service stand point. They typically have about twice the repair frequency as something like Kittchen Aid or even Whirlpool and Kenmore. That just doesn't conjur up a feeling in me that says go out and drop 6 big on one.

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                                            Isolda Nov 20, 2010 05:26 PM

                                            Thanks, Joe, Mikie, and Touchdown. We have decided to live with our GE until it dies (mainly because after a breakfast room addition, some new windows, and a few other house projects, we just don't want to spend another few thousand on a box that makes our food cold.) But we have ruled out the Sub-Zero, probably permanently.

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                                            touchdown Nov 19, 2010 08:26 AM

                                            When I gutted and redid my kitchen a few years ago, I learned a bit about this stuff. From what I understand, the only difference between a Sub Zero and other fridges are that the Sub Zero doesn't mix air between the refrigeration side and the freezer side. This is good because food odors from the refrigerator don't get into your frozen food and, most importantly, ice.

                                            To some people, this is a big deal, to me, it wasn't. I got a GE built in (I know you said you didn't like those) which was still pretty pricey, I think it was $4000, which 8 years in has recently required a repair which ended up being just under $1000. The lessons I've learned from buying high end appliances are that they are NOT worth the money and are generally a big rip off. The only high end appliance that I've owned that has performed well with no repairs needed is my Bosch dishwasher. It's also so quiet that you don't even know it's on.

                                            After zillions of problems with my expensive washing machines, I finally just went on line, ordered the least expensive washing machine for the size I needed, and guess what? It washes the clothes exactly the same way! And, I can buy a new one for what it cost me to repair the old one's once.

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                                              flourgirl Oct 26, 2011 10:01 AM

                                              Same here - I have a washer and dryer that cost me $300 each. They do a fine job of washing and drying, I've had no repair issues - and if they break down, either we will do the repairs ourselves (we've done that before on the previous pair we owned - it's fairly easy to do on simple machines) or we will just replace the machine.

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                                              Joeparis Nov 19, 2010 08:10 AM

                                              Do not waste your money!!
                                              I have a 15 year old 36" Sub-Zero. The only cool thing(no pun intended) is the appearance.
                                              It is obviuosly very expensive and not worth the money. We have had at least 5 or 6 repairs done and they are very expensive. Facing a new $2000 repair, the service tech thought perhaps it would make more sense to replace it, as he felt more repairs would be likely in the future. I contacted Sub-Zero customer support for advice, They told me that the average life expectancy is 13-15 years. I have custom panels to match my cabinets and have limited options available. I know for sure that my experience is not unusual. So, if you are comfortable in spending perhaps $7000 + and having additional repair bills, then replacing your refrigerator in 13-15 years for the same ridiculous price....go for it!

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                                                goodeatsgal Oct 19, 2010 01:35 PM

                                                We got a Jenn-Air JFC2290VEM 6 months ago and are very happy with it. It's 72-inch, counter-depth, and has french doors. This Jenn-Air is actually a Kitchen-Aid but with different handles (yes, we paid an extra hundred dollars for the handles we liked better!). We were told by a couple of salesmen that the Jenn-Air, Viking, Dacor and maybe one or two others were all based on this Kitchen-Aid model (KFCS22EVMS), and it was easy to observe that they were the same fridge but just tricked out differently on the inside. In addition, the Viking and Dacor had an optional grate above the top so that it could look more built-in. I forget the exact price, but if was around $2,300 - $2,500.

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                                                  chefwong Oct 18, 2010 07:36 PM

                                                  All fridges IMO will have cold/colder spots...it's just a matter of identifying them...
                                                  For example, if you're heavy into story frozen meats, buy a non self defrosting freezer for the garage, etc.....

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                                                    chefwong Oct 18, 2010 12:30 PM

                                                    I went $$ with both a Gag Induction, Wolf & Miele.

                                                    A fridge is just a ice box for me. Went with KA Architect series...which was perfect. No icemaker/water exposed in the door and *inside* the fridge..

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                                                      Isolda Oct 18, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                      The KA is actually our second choice--it would have been our first choice, but we ruled it out because they wanted more for that than for the Sub-Zero.

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                                                        Isolda Oct 18, 2010 12:43 PM

                                                        And oh yes, I agree with you that a fridge should just be an ice box, but after owning one that freezes lettuce and bakes popsicles, I'm not sure it's really that simple anymore.

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                                                        Sydneyeats Oct 18, 2010 12:18 PM

                                                        Have you looked at a Viking French Door Counter Depth? This one is 72" tall. They cost around $3,000 however Viking currently has a $500.00 rebate. I've been happy with mine :)

                                                        http://www.vikingrange.com/consumer/p...

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                                                          walker Oct 17, 2010 06:22 PM

                                                          I would not spend that kind of $ on a Sub Zero -- I have a Jenn-Air single door, freezer drawer on bottom and I like it a lot -- cost about $2,500. It has an ice maker inside of freezer -- I did not want that on outside of fridge door -- some people like that and it's available that way.

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                                                            Isolda Oct 18, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                            Is your model of Jenn-Air still available? I tried finding Watacetti's Miele, but no one seems to have that particular model, and when it comes to an appliance this costly, the exact model really does matter.

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                                                              walker Oct 18, 2010 07:04 PM

                                                              What I bought was Jenn Air cabinet depth euro style jbr2088hes (which is the right hand swing number).

                                                              I paid $2,175 plus tax, Dec 07. You can call BSC Culinary, 415 626 6246 to see if model # and price has changed. When I was in the show room, they showed me other makes, like Viking, that was the same exact fridge on inside, only difference was outside finish and handle on the door. This one matched the handle on the Miele dishwasher I was buying at the same time. The only thing: the sides are black instead of stainless steel. Some people have a ss panel made to go over the black part. I've learned to live with it. I've had absolutely no trouble with it.

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                                                                wattacetti Oct 18, 2010 08:21 PM

                                                                The model I mentioned comes in either right or left hinge (hence the x in the numeric). Any authorized Miele retailer can get it but it's really on the showrooms that would have demonstrators. I like the standalones rather than the combos but that's personal preference (and you have to reinforce the floor since they're 2000 lbs empty).

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                                                              wattacetti Oct 16, 2010 08:28 PM

                                                              Has to be exactly 80 inches tall? If you can go 84, there's also Miele's KF19x1. Bottom mount, 36 inches wide, counter depth, stainless or built-in.

                                                              Overbuilt engineering-wise (e.g. hinges that can support a concrete fascia if you want).

                                                              1. PBSF Oct 16, 2010 10:30 AM

                                                                We have a similar (older model) 36 inch Sub Zero, freezer on the bottom, for about 15 years. Though we've had no repair problems and it has work well, we don't find it any better than our 20 year old Sears ($600) in our city apartment. We are fairly basic on what we need from a refrigerator/freezer and we tend to do several shopping trips a week. If I need a replacement, I would definitely not spend $6000 for a new Sub Zero. I think when one is spending that much more for an appliance, part of it is for the name, the look, etc.

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                                                                  Isolda Oct 16, 2010 03:01 PM

                                                                  Yeah, that whole name thing is a stumbling point for me. Looks do matter--my kitchen is very pretty, but not brand name, look-how-much-I-spent pretty.

                                                                  OTOH, I want a fridge that I won't have to have repaired every six months. The rather cynical technician who comes out to service my wretched GE Monogram tells me that no one makes a quality appliance anymore, but that Sub Zero gives the best and longest warranty.

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                                                                    flourgirl Oct 26, 2011 09:57 AM

                                                                    I don't know if you can win this game. I have plenty of friends with sub zero appliances who complain all the time about the numbers of repairs their appliances need, the cost of those repairs, and sometimes ridiculously long waits for parts. OTOH, I've had a GE Profile for the past 6 yrs that has never needed a repair and does the job I expect a fridge to do - and I paid under $1000 for it. I would never pay $6K for a fridge - not unless it can cook dinner and do the dishes.

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                                                                      westsidegal May 6, 2012 11:01 PM

                                                                      the way i've started to handle ALL my appliance serve is to buy a whole house warranty that charges me a monthly amount.
                                                                      they will send the appropriate technicians out to fix anything that breaks, and if the repair isn't satisfactory, they will cover any repeat calls.
                                                                      fwiw, i believe they would charge a higher monthly fee if i had a sub zero

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                                                                        1POINT21GW May 6, 2012 11:38 PM

                                                                        Careful! Home warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on. Over time, it's much cheaper and less hassle to simply self-insure.

                                                                        http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark...

                                                                        Wow, after I typed that, I went back in to edit to add the link to Clark's website and realized that I wrote the exact same wording he used. Hmm, interesting. I have, however, been listening to him for almost 15 years so I guess it's bound to show.

                                                                        Sorry to get off-topic.

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                                                                          RGC1982 Jun 3, 2012 06:18 PM

                                                                          I am a firm believer in whole house warranties, but their appliance coverage is usually not as comprehensive as a standard service contract on the appliance. On refrigerators, in particular, they tend to exclude the ice maker and also have exclusions if they find your coils need vacuuming. Same thing if you have used the wrong detergent in your front loading washer. It's more economical than individual policies, but once in a while, you find your coverage is lacking.

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                                                                      pabboy Oct 16, 2010 10:09 AM

                                                                      I moved into a house with an older Sub Zero 600 series. Hands down the best fridge I've ever used. It keeps my produce fresh much longer. I attribute it to the temperature control and vacuum seal.

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                                                                        Peter Apr 20, 2012 09:38 PM

                                                                        Ditto, ditto, ditto.

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