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Six months on a shelf and no sign of decay. Excellent!

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  1. She left the hamburger and fries on a shelf for 6 months. Of course the bun didn't mold and the burger and fries just dried up. The air is dry and there are not any mold spores in the air of her apartment. She apparently doesn't have any flies in there either. If she would have put the plate with the food on it in the refrigerator, it would have been a spoiled mess in just over a week.

    It's obvious this woman is an artist and not a biologist.

    1. Of all the evils you can accuse McDonald's of, stockpiling food is not one of them. They burn through raw product like the proverbial sailor on shore leave. So they don't load anything up with preservatives. Their burgers are 100% beef, their fries are frozen potatoes and their produce is produce. It may not be the ideal source for a meal but it's not some preservative-laden science project. As John has already pointed out, this is a stunt, not science.

      1. I neither like nor dislike McDonalds. They seem to be a very easy target, though, for anyone with an anti-meat, anti-processed food agenda. So what did this prove? That the artist was very adept at getting publicity for herself? Ooo, and I bet the food also contains ingredients with big, polysyallabic words unpronouncable by anyone without a 4th grade education. That must make it bad for you.

        I did like McDonalds' response, though. They managed to turn the "experiment" into a statement about the quality of their food handling - obviously no bacteria, micro-organisms, etc., present in their food.

        By the way, if you left an organically grown apple sitting out in the same conditions, what do you think would happen? Do you think it would just dehydrate (like the burger and fries) without rotting? Does that make it scary and bad for you, too?

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        1. re: rockycat

          Bread that doesn't mold kind of scares me but a lot of bread from the grocery store won't mold either. I really wouldn't expect anything else to rot, the meat and fries are cooked at such a high temp and have so much fat and salt how could they?

          1. re: dmckean

            The reason the bread didn't mold is because it is in a dry environment, a shelf. Mold doesn't grow in a dry environment. I would be more surprised if the bun had mold growth than if it did not have mold. If it had mold, that woman's apartment wouldn't be fit to live in because breathing in mold spores is very bad for your lungs.

            1. re: John E.

              "McDonald's hamburger patties in the United States are made with 100% USDA-inspected ground beef," Riley wrote. "Our hamburgers are cooked and prepared with salt, pepper and nothing else -- no preservatives, no fillers.

              Is this statement accurate? No preservatives, no fillers? Really?

              There are preservatives in grocery store bread just like I'm sure there is in the Mcd's buns. When I buy grocery store bread it keeps for a long time, when I buy fresh bread from a good baker who doesn't use preservatives it starts getting mould after 4 or 5 days of sitting on the counter. Isn't it normal for the yeast to get moldy after a few days, (or maybe I just have a problem in my house).

              I guess the ultimate test to compare apples to apples is that she should have cooked a homeade burger at home to see how that would react in the same conditions.

              1. re: ios94

                I'm not sure where you're buying your bread but when I made homemade bread, which is often, and there's any left after a day or two, which is infrequent, the bread dries out. I have never had homemade bread go moldy and I certainly don't add preservatives at home.

                1. re: ios94

                  "Is this statement accurate? No preservatives, no fillers? Really?"

                  There's no reason for McDonald's to put preservatives in their burgers or fries. They deal in massive volume and don't stockpile anything.

                  You leave bread out on the counter unwrapped for four or five days? I'd be surprised that it didn't dry out (my mom used to dry her bakery-bought bread all the time to make breadcrumbs and it would dry before it could get mold).

                  1. re: ferret

                    Not unwrapped, in a plastic bag this happens with Campagne ("Country" style) French bread from local bakers who don't add any preservatives, when left in the bag mould will start after a few days if there's any left. More like 5 or 6 days so now I just put it in the fridge after a few days.

                    I still have a hard time believing there are no preservatives at McD's. Impossible.

                    1. re: ios94

                      "In a bag" = moisture.

                      "I still have a hard time believing there are no preservatives at McD's. Impossible."

                      Why is it impossible? Frozen meat doesn't typically have preservatives.

                      1. re: ios94

                        I still have a hard time believing there are no preservatives at McD's. Impossible.
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                        The McDonalds' spokesperson was referring specifically to the beef patties. Here is the ingredient list for McDonalds regular hamburgers:

                        "100% pure USDA inspected beef; no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper)"

                        The buns do contain preservatives:

                        "Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid, enzymes), water, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, yeast, soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated soybean oil, contains 2% or less of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, wheat gluten, ammonium sulfate, ammonium chloride, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, datem, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated monoglycerides, monocalcium phosphate, enzymes, guar gum, calcium peroxide, soy flour), calcium propionate and sodium propionate (preservatives), soy lecithin."

                        1. re: kmcarr

                          "100% pure USDA inspected beef; no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper)"

                          You actually think that's the end all to a Mcd's pattie? lol

                          She's not giving you the full story, I'm not saying she's lying she's just not telling the whole truth, she's only discussing what constitutes the beef in her statement and the composition of the pattie. Obviously she's not going to start talking about all the other things that go into the final product.

                          You are completely naive if you don't think they use preservatives of course they do. You think just because they freeze the patties that they don't use preservatives? Cmon, that's making me laugh. Go look at the ingredients of a box of frozen beef patties at your grocery store and it's safe to say that the same things are used in a Mcd's pattie. Trust me, the ingredients will be slightly longer than; beef, salt and pepper.

                          1. re: ios94

                            "...she's only discussing what constitutes the beef in her statement and the composition of the pattie. Obviously she's not going to start talking about all the other things that go into the final product"

                            So, in your mind, they are pumping their beef patties full of preservatives sometime between the freezer and cooking?

                            Ingredients of the McDonalds plain hamburger (from the nutritional information page on their website):

                            Hamburger
                            Serving Size: 3.5 oz (100 g)

                            <snipped nutritional information>

                            Ingredients (Allergen statement in ALL CAPS.)Back To Top

                            100% Beef Patty
                            100% pure USDA inspected beef; no fillers, no extenders. Prepared with grill seasoning (salt, black pepper).

                            Regular Bun
                            Enriched flour (bleached wheat flour, malted barley flour, niacin, reduced iron, thiamin mononitrate, riboflavin, folic acid, enzymes), water, high fructose corn syrup, sugar, yeast, soybean oil and/or partially hydrogenated soybean oil, contains 2% or less of the following: salt, calcium sulfate, calcium carbonate, wheat gluten, ammonium sulfate, ammonium chloride, dough conditioners (sodium stearoyl lactylate, datem, ascorbic acid, azodicarbonamide, mono- and diglycerides, ethoxylated monoglycerides, monocalcium phosphate, enzymes, guar gum, calcium peroxide, soy flour), calcium propionate and sodium propionate (preservatives), soy lecithin.

                            CONTAINS: WHEAT AND SOY

                            Ketchup
                            Tomato concentrate from red ripe tomatoes, distilled vinegar, high fructose corn syrup, water, corn syrup, salt, natural flavors (vegetable source).

                            Mustard
                            Distilled vinegar, water, mustard seed, salt, turmeric, paprika, spice extractive.

                            Pickle Slices
                            Cucumbers, water, distilled vinegar, salt, calcium chloride, alum, potassium sorbate (preservative), natural flavors (plant source), polysorbate 80, extractives of turmeric (color).

                            Onions
                            Chopped onions.

                            Food ExchangesBack To Top
                            2 carbohydrate, 1.5 medium fat meat


                            Note: Nutrient contributions from individual components may not equal the total due to federal rounding regulations. Percent Daily Values (DV) and RDIs are based on unrounded values.

                            ** Percent Daily Values (DV) are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Your daily values may be higher or lower depending on your calorie needs.

                            To customize menu items that display components:

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                            The nutrition information on this website is derived from testing conducted in accredited laboratories, published resources, or from information provided from McDonald's suppliers. The nutrition information is based on standard product formulations and serving sizes. All nutrition information is based on average values for ingredients from McDonald's suppliers throughout the U.S. and is rounded to meet current U.S. FDA NLEA guidelines. Variation in serving sizes, preparation techniques, product testing and sources of supply, as well as regional and seasonal differences may affect the nutrition values for each product. In addition, product formulations change periodically. You should expect some variation in the nutrient content of the products purchased in our restaurants. None of our products is certified as vegetarian. This information is correct as of October 2010, unless stated otherwise.

                            SPLENDA® No Calorie Sweetener is the registered trademark of McNeil Nutritionals, LLC
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                            1. re: djohnson22

                              Yah, I was just looking at their website before you posted this. I wonder how much of that "100% pure USDA inspected beef" is beef chuck, maybe they should mention that.

                              I like how they need to mention "no fillers, no extenders" lol

                              I'd love to see a breakdown of the composition of that pattie. That is not what a hamburger tastes like, feels like or looks like in my world. They mention the additives in other products, gotta love the anti-foaming agents used in mcnuggets. They have to be leaving something out, I gotta assume their "burger" is the equivalent of a hot dog.

                              I haven't eaten there in over 12 years and didn't care much for it even when I was young. Preservatives and other God knows what chemicals are in a lot of our foods unfortunately and I have made a personal choose to limit any products that contain them. Heck are fruits get sprayed with a bunch of insecticides but I would love to know exactly what is in their patty.

                              1. re: ios94

                                why would you assume that they would be leaving something out if they go to the trouble of listing additives in other items (i.e. the anti-foaming agents in the McNuggets)?
                                I would venture to guess that the turnover rate on the beef patties is high enough that they do not need preservatives in the patties - unlike the supermarket frozen patties the you mentioned previously...
                                I figure they likely added the "no fillers, no extenders" bit as a result of being accused/asked about it frequently - it is one of the questions on their Products FAQ...

                                Really just playing devil's advocate here as I do not particularly like the taste of McDonalds hamburgers either... more particularly I don't like the after-taste. On the rare occasion that I stop at McDonalds it is in the morning, for a sausage McMuffin with egg - which is an even rarer occasion now as I have found a better egg and sausage sandwich if I need to grab something on the way to work in the morning

                                1. re: djohnson22

                                  IIRC, they had some sort of filler/extender in the infamous McLean Deluxe, and the bad feedback and sales from the product led to another '100% American beef' ad campaign and elimination of the McLean shortly after the complaints hit full steam.

                                2. re: ios94

                                  So basically what you're saying is that you refuse to believe anything McD's says and you are sure that they are leaving themselves open to all kinds of lawsuits for fraud, intentional infliction of harm, etc., by deliberately lying to the FDA and the public. McD's has too much at stake financially and too professional a legal department to do anything as stupid as you are suggesting.

                                  Don't like it? Don't eat it. But the simple fact that you don't like their food doesn't mean that the company must be intentionally duplicitous.

                                  1. re: ios94

                                    100% chuck makes some pretty lousy burgers.

                                3. re: ios94

                                  I was just at the grocery store, and having also just read this thread I was curious. My grocer carries three brands of frozen hamburgers (Bubba's, a store brand, can't remember the 3rd...). All three have several varieties based on lean/fat ratio. I checked every variety of every brand (yeah, I'm a geek), and every single one had beef listed as the only ingredient. I'm cynical enough to believe that some food manufacturers/distributors will falsify the ingredient list of their packaging, but I have a hard time believing they all do.

                                  1. re: ios94

                                    You are completely naive if you don't think they use preservatives of course they do.
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                                    I'm not so naive to believe that McDonalds would violate food labeling laws and expose themselves to enormous fines. What is the benefit to them to counter balance this risk? Obviously other items on their menu have preservatives. Do you believe that if they used preservatives in their burgers and disclosed it suddenly people would stop eating there? Your position seems to be the naive one; you have a preformed conclusion that they are lying about their product and refuse to acknowledge any logic or evidence to the contrary.

                                    1. re: kmcarr

                                      If you read between the lines of my previous post I give them the benefit of the doubt since they mention the full ingredients for other products. Now the question is what parts of the beef do they use? That's something I don't think we want to know or else trust me they would be marketing it as such to let us know. 100% pure beef is way too vague.

                          2. re: John E.

                            I have had bread--with no preservatives--mold on me. And it was not in the fridge either.

                            1. re: GibsonGirl55

                              I would expect bread with no preservatives to mold on you. (Was it in a plastic bag?) I would not expect a McDonald's bun to get moldy in a dry environment, I would expect it to simply dry out as it did here. I would expect the same of a cooked beef patty. It woul dry out like jerky.

                              1. re: John E.

                                Then you would concede that McDonald's buns have preservatives, no?

                                1. re: GibsonGirl55

                                  I think that's already been established. I don't think the burger and fries didn't spoil because there are preservatives, I think they didn't spoil because they were sitting in a dry environment not hospitable to bacteria or mold.

                                  1. re: John E.

                                    Not only that, they were cooked to a ridculously high temp and covered in salt. What's going to grow in that environment?

                                    1. re: dmckean

                                      That makes no sense whatsoever. "Ridiculously high temperature"? A burger is cooked on a griddle and fries are immersed in hot oil. These are cooked at the same temperatures as any french fries or burgers anywhere.

                        2. re: rockycat

                          You must not have seen the movie, Supersize Me. Morgan Spurlock conducted a similar experient in his documentary. He placed in covered jars McDonald's burgers and fries as well as a burger and fries from a diner.

                          The burgers and fries were nearly immortal; the burger and fries from a traditional diner spoiled within a day or so. The McDonald's fare held up for weeks and the fries were in the same condition as they were the day they were purchased. Reminds me of the occasion or two when I ran across a stray fry when I cleaned my car. Hadn't been in McDonald's for some time and the morsel was in mint condition.

                        3. The only amazing thing is someone would leave a burger and fries out on their table for over a day.

                          If nothing happened to it after a few days, nothing is probably going to happen to it six more months from now...I'm sure we'll find out.

                          Under similar conditions anyone can duplicate the feat, preservatives or not.

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                          1. re: monku

                            I beg to differ. In Supersize Me, the burger and fries from a regular diner deteriorated in a short time as opposed to the McDonald's products--especially the fries--which seemed immortal.

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