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Oct 6, 2010 08:22 PM

Just Desserts Episode 4: High drama

Whoa, what a night. About Seth: Enough said. I wish him the best and I hope this forum doesn't turn into a smackdown--let's all leave the guy alone. Remember the Rutgers kid...
As for the drama later in the evening--what a disappointment. Malika's decision was the biggest cop-out ever, and a smack in the face to working mothers everywhere. Your kids aren't going to be scarred for life if you leave them for a few weeks, and now you'll never know if you could have done it.
Props for Zac's showpiece, even though the whole concept seems very Vegas to me. Has anyone ever seen one of these in real life?
Yearning for saffron pannacotta and smacking my head on the keyboard tonight.

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  1. I'm actually uncomfortable watching this program and I don't get uncomfortable easily. I mean it is just a TV program.

    Chefs are a little "high strung", but pastry chefs must be on a different astral plane!

    I can't even concentrate on the skill being demonstrated or the creativity it takes.

    At the end, I was surprised they picked Morgan when Heather had made the show piece and what looked like a wonderful dessert.

    I think Morgan missed a wonderful opportunity. He had already won. He should have immediately been self effacing to the judges by telling them that Heather really deserved it. They couldn't have taken it back. He would have elevated himself to the judges, to heather and to the audience.

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    1. re: Hank Hanover

      I have to give a big WTF on the Seth situation. What was with the rocking back and forth and talking to himself with that creepy smile on his face?? WHOA...back away from the sharp objects and chill out. Seriously~ who behaves like that? I'd have locked that loon in a walk-in.

      The only place I ever see show pieces anymore are in hotels during special events/holidays or on some silly FN Challenge show. I don't feel like that part of the challenge added anything to the episode. And, on a side note, that Cirque du Creepiness show was just plain weird.

      This show is so much more about the drama than the food. I was really hoping for some stand out talent but I think that the tests of skill are getting lost in all the chaos.

      Oh well...I'll watch again next week to see if Zac will flip his lid...or Heather will lock herself in the crapper...or maybe Yigit will challenge Morgan to a meringue off...

      1. re: Hank Hanover

        A friend was in another cooking contest with Morgan & did not have good things to say about Morgan and Morgan's ego.

        1. re: Hank Hanover

          Seth might be a bit autistic, or have Asperger's syndrome.

          Several famous pastry chefs (Gale Gand, Claudia Fleming, Emily Lucchetti) are not high strung. I think Food Network picked looney-tunes contestants for drama and/or looks, not talent.

          1. re: Claudette

            I don't know why I'm addressing this to you, but here goes. During the explanation of the quickfire when seth found out they wouldn't be making their own ice cream he said "Weak sauce, weak sauce". Does anybody know what that means? Is that a culinary pejorative phrase?

            The question I have for Seth is, you're in a kitchen with dozens of ice cream containers (Breyer's?) and you're suprised that you won't be MAKING the ice cream?

              1. re: PattiCakes

                i love learning,thanks for that,who knew?

              2. re: John E.

                No, "Weak sauce" is just common slang for "Poor, lame effort".

                1. re: Fukui San

                  Ok, I get it. It's like a mild taco sauce from Taco Bell. It reminds me of the Stallone movie Demolition Man that's set in the future where every restaurant is Taco Bell.

                  (I must be getting old).

                2. re: John E.

                  That was the first time I thought there was something seriously wrong with him. Prior to that he just seemed high-strung, but when he started saying, "Weak sauce, weak sauce" he really sounded crazy. It was like he couldn't control what was coming out of his mouth.

                  1. re: aching

                    That was my reaction also. Up to that point, I figured he was high-strung, a little odd, and maybe lacking in social skills. When he started with the mumbling it became obvious that there is something clinically wrong. Whoever said Aspergers is probably on to something. I am glad he is gone - this show was already walking the line of entertainment. Seth's performance definitely became voyeurism into a person falling apart. Not good TV.

                    1. re: Divamac

                      Seth's previous meltdown was very uncomfortable. This episode was awful to watch. As I said in another threat, a psych eval should be done on these folks, as part of the interview process. Seth was pretty off kilter.

                3. re: Claudette

                  I don't understand why so many people have mentioned Asperger's Syndrome in regard to Seth. If you know the aspects of it, he just doesn't fit the description.

                  On the other hand, he seems more Bi-polar, which would fit his hot-and-cold to the point of melt-down personality more closely.

                  1. re: cmvan

                    He could have both, but I have seen many patient's with formal diagnosis of Asperer's - high functinoning that have meltdowns just like this, also have a friend with a very high functioning who also has meltdowns just like this, I have seen him act the very same way and also be fine in most situations.

              3. All aboard the crazy train!

                At this rate they won't need elimination challenges, the contestants will just do it themselves. They should just have a therapist on duty in order to keep people on the show.

                1. I didn't catch the show, except the very end where they previewed next week's drama.

                  Uh ... but is next week going to be an ode to the stiletto and shoe fetish crowd?

                  This show is sort of creeping me out a bit, and making me lose my appetite for desserts.

                  1. I think Bravo is on the verge losing an audience. I am a big fan of desserts and was looking forward to this show. I thought I would like this concept better than the regular chef show.

                    Unless Bravo can gain control of these chefs, this show won't have a next season.

                    Just from the posts tonight, you can tell we have lost sight of the food.

                    Heather, the one that came back and was brooding the entire show shouldn't even be there next week. Then they should talk to the chefs as a group without cameras and say " Have all of you got your heads on straight now? Because there is the door if you don't".

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                    1. re: Hank Hanover

                      None of this is taking place in real time, right? What we are seeing took place a while ago, and all of these episodes represent what the editors have put togther based on what THEY think will bring ratings. They (the chefs) can't correct their actions because it's over and done with already.

                    2. So far, this is my most "un-favorite" cooking show to date. And I don't think it's the fault of the pastry chefs. What is wrong with the producers that they can't spot people who are not going to perform well under stress? What is this, the second, maybe third episode? And to have someone self-immolate, so to speak, on camera and in front of the world is a huge disservice, not only to the young man who suffered this ignominy on national television, but it's also a total disservice to viewers because it makes "just dessert" rather insignificant. I think the producers have lost their way with this one.

                      As for Malika's request to go home, I didn't think for a moment it had that much to do with missing her children. I do think that was the palliative reason she thought would provoke the least controversy, but she was pretty clear when she said she had found she did not like cooking in a competitive atmosphere. And boy, from what I'm seeing, I totally agree with her on that count. To have that kind of atmosphere constantly being exploited by the producers for "ratings" must be a royal pain to try to deal with.

                      I can also see Heather's feeling disappointed for not garnering more recognition for taking on the show piece, but... She asked to do it. If she thinks she sacrificed making the best individual dessert by focusing on the show piece too, then she should not have asked for the job. I believe the judges chose the winning dessert on taste and presentation, and I have to believe her individual dessert fell short. Her fault. No one else's. But I do feel compassion for her having her feelings about it exploited on camera. That's a tad humiliating!

                      By definition, desserts are the climax and anticipated final act of a meal. They are expected to be special. That means they lend themselves best to individual creativity and teamwork is their enemy. So WHY are the producers pushing team competitions to this extent in a dessert challenge? I love desserts, the flashier and more creative the better. This show seems not to care about that. They want drama from the participants, not the desserts they create. That threatens to make me a looser if I continue to watch. I hope they fix that!

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                      1. re: Caroline1

                        I agree with your assessment of Heather. Even Morgan said that he was surprised that she insisted not volunteered to do the showpiece even though he had immunity. She took a chance that if their team won, she would receive additional brownie points for doing the showpiece by herself, and lost that bet and was angry that Morgan didn't laud her efforts and give the win to her.

                        Bottom line: if she wanted that recognition from her team then she should have laid out to them what she expected to gain from doing the showpiece. Maybe if she had voice that out loud, she would have reconsidered doing the showpiece and had the person with immunity do it and spent more time creating her individual dessert.

                        People can't read your mind and what is a clear expectation to you may not be for someone else.

                        Maybe I have had too much couples therapy...

                        1. re: septocaine_queen

                          We're all saying that Heather blew up because she was frustrated that Morgan didn't give her more credit at Judge's Table, but I just watched it again and realized that Heather got angry at Morgan toward the end of the challenge, long before Judge's Table. Did anyone understand why?

                          1. re: aching

                            maybe she expected him to tell the judges that she did the centerpiece and IIRC when he didn't she felt that she was not given due credit.

                        2. re: Caroline1

                          What I don't understand about leaving early, if indeed her intention was to go home, don't they quarantine the "auf'd" cheftestants until the end of the series, or at least when it's revealed who's in the finals?

                          1. re: marcia

                            Quarantine? No, I don't think so. They do require them to sign non-disclosure agreements before they ever start recording the episodes. No need to quarantine anyone.

                            1. re: ChinoWayne

                              Yes, I think you are there until the end of taping. Otherwise how could Heather C have come back so quickly?

                              1. re: babette feasts

                                All reality shows keep the contestants until the end. On Fans of Reality TV, the sleuthers are out in force scanning Facebook and other places looking for signs that someone on a show has returned. For The Bachelor, they know when kicked off people return to work and reinstate their Facebook pages.

                                I don't have that kind of dedication to my reality shows, but if they didn't sequester the contestants everyone would know the outcome long before the finale.

                          2. re: Caroline1

                            I agree. To me, this show isn't so much about cooking or baking exemplary desserts, it's more about how much of everything else can be stirred up. I can't believe this is the best of the best bakers or dessert makers in the country. I feel the same about Hells Kitchen, where do they get these people?