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ISO German or Austrian Breakfast Buns (Broetchen)

PoppiYYZ Sep 19, 2010 03:59 PM

During recent trips to Germany and Austria, I fell in love with the breakfasts. They consisted of warm hard boiled eggs, excellent coffee, assorted cheeses and meats, and especially a crisp oval shaped breakfast bun called a broetchen. After some investigation, I am lead to believe they require special humidity controlled ovens to create their crisp delicate texture.

Anyone out there know of a bakery in or near TO that makes these wonderful buns for direct public purchase ?

 
  1. justpete Jan 22, 2011 05:09 PM

    This is a very exciting find. I didn't think German quality bread in Canada was possible. Someone once told me that the reason for this is that the yeast that they have in German bakeries is very special, and hundreds of years old. If one of the bakeries has an issue where they lose their stock, or their bakery burns down, or whatever disaster might occur, all the other bakeries chip in a little of their yeast so the devastated baker can start anew. Then there was something about import laws that prevented them from bringing this type of yeast in to Canada.

    In any case - I'm very excited about the prospect of German quality bread in the GTA. You're right, few things are as delicious as a German breakfast. And also - the last part of this equation is the butter w/ cream - have you found a source for that yet?

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    1. re: justpete
      PoppiYYZ Jan 25, 2011 01:38 PM

      Hi J,

      There are lots of good German shops in Toronto (Vienna meats in Scarborough, Brandt's in Mississauga, and Denninger's further west). The butter issue has been somewhat discussed in other threads but I haven't been able to find a REALLY good butter in Toronto (certainly nothing that compares to the best butter in Europe). Maybe we should start a thread dedicated to butter to see if others have had any luck.

      I remember that the most prized butter in German and Austria was from Ireland (Euro-zone and all that).

      1. re: PoppiYYZ
        ToxicJungle Jul 10, 2011 12:54 PM

        I heard this on the radio few months ago and did went to Golden Grocers, they are really good and fresh butter, homemade and hand picked, very close to the butter in Europe.

        http://www.cbc.ca/hereandnowtoronto/episodes/2011/03/23/sarah-elton-mmmmm-butter/

        or you can try
        http://stirlingcreamery.com/

        1. re: ToxicJungle
          PoppiYYZ Jul 12, 2011 07:01 PM

          Wow, thanks TJ. It's now at the top of my "to do" list. I really think we are being short changed with our standard supermarket waxy bland butter selection...

          And the thought of good paneer sounds fantastic too.

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      CocoTO Jan 6, 2011 10:11 AM

      PLEASE PLEASE report back if you find them PoppiYYZ ... I lived in Germany and still think about those morning brötchen ... I've had great bread in many places, but there's something different about them.

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      1. re: CocoTO
        PoppiYYZ Jan 7, 2011 12:40 PM

        Will Do CC,

        I'll be there next week. Their location makes them perfect for a CH shopping run along with Arz Middle Eastern grocery at 1909 Lawrence E (for great pistachios, amazing pita bread, ...) and Diana's Seafood at 2101 Lawrence E (for anything that swims).

        1. re: CocoTO
          PoppiYYZ Jan 13, 2011 02:27 PM

          Went to Montmartre !

          Their little buns (called Schrippen) are real German buns. A little thicker in the middle then I'm used to from Frankfurt. I got there about 3pm, and although they are still good, the taste (in the parking lot) seemed many hours old. I'd suggest going earlier or bribing someone to get the fresher ones (they said they bake them all day but I went too late). A short stint in a hot oven revived them somewhat.

          These little lovelies don't freeze well (a sad necessity for those of us far away), but wrapping them individually then freezing helps.

          Many thanks ToxicJungle !

          PS the Bienenstich is REALLY GOOOOOD...

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            CocoTO Jan 14, 2011 03:35 AM

            thanks for reporting back ... I'll have to make the trek myself!

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              knusprig Jan 14, 2011 05:34 PM

              when you are at Montmartre don't skip the buttery croissants. I warm them in 150 F oven and they get crisp again. They keep well wrapped in paper & plastic in the fridge. We also like their applestrudel, they are not over-sweet and the apples are not mushy.

              Knusprig

            2. re: PoppiYYZ
              ToxicJungle Jan 22, 2011 04:12 PM

              I am glad you like it :)

          2. ToxicJungle Jan 4, 2011 03:39 PM

            Montmartre Bakery
            105 Midwest Rd, Scarborough, ON M1P 3A6
            My first choice of German Bakery

            Dimpflmeier second

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            1. re: ToxicJungle
              PoppiYYZ Jan 6, 2011 07:53 AM

              Thanks TJ,

              Place looks interesting. Do they also do bread & buns, or is it just a desert bakery ? Even if it is just deserts, it looks like a good strudel is in my future (believe it or not but vegetable is my favorite) ...

              1. re: PoppiYYZ
                Full tummy Jan 6, 2011 01:27 PM

                Plenty of breads there. And pretzels!!!

                1. re: PoppiYYZ
                  ToxicJungle Jan 6, 2011 08:24 PM

                  Poppi, like tummy said they do mostly breads and some dessert

                  http://foodpages.ca/MontmartreBakery

                  It is a bakery in an industrial building, supplying stores and restaurants, they don't have a store front but they do sell to the public. See those cars on the side of the building, it's that full from the time they open to close, people go in and out all day.
                  I promise you they have brötchen there

                  1. re: ToxicJungle
                    ToxicJungle Jan 7, 2011 08:57 AM

                    Oh btw, if you go now, you will find Bienenstich, they only make them from Jan - May/Jun, they stop selling them when the weather get warm. I think they have the best Bienenstich in Toronto

                    1. re: ToxicJungle
                      PoppiYYZ Jan 7, 2011 12:45 PM

                      Wow Bienenstich. I'll definitely add that to the list.

                      That reminds me of another seasonal baked dish : Zwiebelkuchen (Onion Tart). It may sound weird, but with a nice glass of white wine, it makes a perfect Saturday afternoon break. Any chance they make them?

                      1. re: PoppiYYZ
                        ToxicJungle Jan 7, 2011 01:40 PM

                        No, they don't make any savory pastry

                2. re: ToxicJungle
                  Googs May 17, 2011 06:46 AM

                  Link!

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                  Montmartre Bakery
                  105 Midwest Rd, Scarborough, ON M1P 3A6, CA

                3. PoppiYYZ Sep 28, 2010 06:27 AM

                  Thank you all for the suggestions. I'll begin my quest next week in and around Toronto and can hardly wait to recreate those tasty breakfasts. I also heard of and tried the Elmvale Bakery (in a small town north of Barrie) that had very nice crispy Broetchen and a wide variety of breads, pastries, and cakes. It is worth a detour for.

                  Thanks again for your replies.

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                    BeanerSchitzl Sep 28, 2010 09:24 AM

                    Good luck and let us know if you score anything comparable to the buns over there.

                    In Austria the buns are called Semmel and are amazing..
                    (especially with Leberkase or a wurstl)).
                    Ate them breakfast, lunch, and dinner this summer.

                    1. re: BeanerSchitzl
                      PoppiYYZ Sep 30, 2010 06:25 AM

                      Ha, ha, your right ! Oh those Krainers, and don't forget the Schnitzel Semmel ! Mmmmmmmm....

                      Now you know why I am dieing to find a good German or Austrian Bakery creating these wonderful buns ! It may look like a Kaiser, but it is much much better. For the uninitiated, I've attached a photo of one of the crispy little lovelies...

                       
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                        5secondrule Sep 30, 2010 11:22 AM

                        I love the Semmeln! Haven't had them in years, sadly. Incredibly light and airy inside when they're fresh, but hard as a rock by lunctime. Only good for crumbling into your Gulaschsuppe...

                        Please let us know if you track them down, thanks.

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                    toveggiegirl Sep 20, 2010 06:14 PM

                    You might want to check Dimpflmeier.
                    http://www.dimpflmeierbakery.com/

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                      fluke17 Sep 21, 2010 06:25 PM

                      I would have to say that the Brandt outlet store has a better bun than Dimpflmeier, which I found very strange, as Dimpflmeier generally has good quality breads. Also interested in who their supplier might be, but not expecting to find the types of buns that I've tasted in Germany (I dream about the buns I had as a child visiting the Black forest area)

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                      plavka Sep 20, 2010 06:00 PM

                      The Brandt outlet store in Mississauga sells buns that look like that, but I haven't figured out who their supplier is.

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                        phoenikia Sep 19, 2010 07:14 PM

                        All buns and rolls in Germany and Austria are called broetchen, not just the ones they eat at breakfast. Broetchen means "little bread".

                        Amadeus in Thornhill might bake and sell high quality German or Austrian-style bread and rolls. They do sell European style cakes and tortes. Might be worth a call to find out if they bake the type of rolls you are looking for. http://amadeusfinecakes.com/

                        I'd think rolls from Thobor, Rahier, La Cicogne or Thuet (not even sure if they make rolls) would be the closest you would get closer to downtown. The dough used in German and Austrian white rolls (like the ones in your picture) is similar to the dough used in traditional French baguettes.

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                          Mayor of Melonville Jan 22, 2011 05:27 PM

                          This is patently untrue. There are as many varieties of rolls in Germany as there are here. I lived in Bavaria (Hof) for 3+ years and my first wife was German, so I know whereof I speak. You cannot find brotchen in the US (not sure about Canada). It does have something to do with type of oven (humidity controlled) and the yeast.

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                            PoppiYYZ Jan 25, 2011 01:26 PM

                            European Bakery 2675 Tamiami trail in Port Charlotte Florida does quite a good brotchen (among other things including excellent sausage and real German imported Apple wine). I'm sure the yeast is important but IMHO it is the special humidity controlled ovens you mention that makes the biggest difference.

                            BTW, the little bakery in Elmvale Ontario has such a special oven.

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                              PoppiYYZ Feb 23, 2011 06:00 AM

                              Correction : The place in Port Charlotte is called Kallis' and the friendly accented ladies there will give you good crispy broetchen, Westphalien ham (smoked German version of prosciutto), Jagwurst (similar to a spiced Balogna), house made Weisswusrt, assorted cheeses, and German coffee. Real imported Irish butter is available at most supermarkets.

                              ALL the ingredients for the best German breakfast this side of the Atlantic...

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