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I'm from Boston, NY Wife says: "NY Pizza is the best." So where is it?

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nickbobo Sep 14, 2010 12:25 PM

Our tenth anniversary is coming up in October. We have a weekend away from the kids. Going to Babbo for a late dinner (10PM). We get into upper west side in the early afternoon. So....
where is this mythical great New York pizza? She's talked about it for years, every time we eat pizza in Boston "Oh this isn't as good as in NY."
So where can we go? I want this stuff!!
thanks
nick

  1. Jeffsayyes Sep 30, 2010 08:16 AM

    I wouldn't travel too far just for pizza - there's great pizza everywhere. If you are in the UWS, you are probably close to Sal and Carmines. They are real and great. For ambiance, maybe she'd appreciate Pauls pizza up there.

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      Pan Sep 30, 2010 08:06 PM

      Wow, Sal and Carmine's is great? I take it, their crust wasn't salty as brine when you last went there? That said, where's Paul's pizza?

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        squid kun Oct 1, 2010 12:47 AM

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        Paul's Pizza
        3409 Broadway, New York, NY 10031

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          Pan Oct 1, 2010 01:58 AM

          Oh, up near City College. Not sure when I'll be there next. Thanks, Squid.

    2. jnk Sep 29, 2010 04:50 AM

      In 2007, the NYC health dept. has 1250 restaurants listed in NYC (5 boroughs) with the word pizza in their name. As we can see from this post, there are as many ideas of what/who makes the best pizza as there are people who eat pizza.

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      1. re: jnk
        Phil Ogelos Sep 29, 2010 09:02 AM

        A propos of this thread's original intent, jnk, it would be more instructive to compare the 2007 pizza list with the city's most recent one, and see which pizza places are still in business four years later. That might get us closer to knowing which vendors really earn and then sustain the respect of locals and passers-by.

      2. MVNYC Sep 28, 2010 07:33 PM

        I thought this quote from Serious eats was apropos for this thread:

        "there are many pizza joints that do a brisk business with the locals yet never seem to get the wider attention and praise they may deserve. Places like this probably aren't quite destination slices (but may be for the true slice hound); however they well represent the archetypical NYC thin-crust style. There is no myth involved here—just cheap, good slices on the quick with no pretension."

        The NY slice has been insulted quite a bit in this thread and others and I do think that is a shame. This is somewhat interesting as street food and street eats from around the world are fetishized by foodies here in NY and elsewhere. Yet this humble street food here in NY is overlooked by many. Times will probably change and the NY slice will become the biggest rage in 5-10 years but we shouldn't become slaves to the trends. The NY slice is alive and well and is a great treasure in our own backyard.

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          tex.s.toast Sep 28, 2010 10:05 PM

          There was an outer boroughs thread in the last few months asking for people to post their favorite neighborhood slice shops. It wasn't the most productive discussion because everyone chimed in with high praise for whatever their usual stop was, without any real interaction because it was mostly people talking about places no one else had heard of. that said, i think the takeaway was that there are a lot of good but not often talked about slice shops around.

          Ill second (or third) what others have said about the average nyc corner slice shop still being, on average, a worthwhile experience, and add to it that disappointments don't usually come out of nowhere (sad looking pizzas languishing under plastic counters = ill take my business elsewhere).

          I can most certainly attest to the overestimation of pizza elsewhere (not boston, specifically)t to say that the average pizza in nyc isn't qualitatively better than most other places is just silly (kathryn's "party cut" comment hit home for me - you can convince me that knife work makes a difference when eating sushi, not so much pizza).

          Ive only been to Joe's in the village once and it didnt stand out for me, though it could have been an old pie or off day (it didnt seem like it). We have two Joe's here in park slope which bill themselves as "joe's of park slope" and "joe's of the village" respectively. perhaps joe was famous ray's less successful cousin?

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            sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 12:31 AM

            Sure, it's a treasure for it's tradition, and convenience....

            .....but you're talking about fake cheese, and cisco canned ingredients, sitting out congealing for hours at a time.

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              thew Sep 29, 2010 04:30 AM

              no, it's a treasure for it's good taste.

              in a good shop nothing sits out for hours.They have turnover, especially at meal times.

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                MVNYC Sep 29, 2010 06:55 AM

                Exactly Thew, its a treasure for good taste. I would imagine that in a few years time the NYC slice will become the new thing much like other street food has or anything from a truck.

                Also to say that all neighbourhood slice joints use fake cheese and Cisco canned ingredients is just flat out wrong. It is also insulting to some of the great NY pizza makers in the city.

              2. re: sugartoof
                coll Sep 29, 2010 09:31 AM

                I haven't run across many pizzerias that use Sysco for supplies. Most likely they get from Lisanti from NJ, or Cremosa or DiCarlo on LI, or smaller jobbers who specialize in Italian products. Also never heard of "fake" cheese, unless you mean regular mozzarella like Grande or Sorrento, as compared to fresh? You must be checking out some sad pizza joints.

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                  sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 10:31 AM

                  Joe's isn't using real cheese, they use an oil based cheese like "product" usually found in plastic bucketst. This is the case with most by the slice places. It's the reason they drip grease.

                  (I'm obviously talking about their regular slice, not the grandma slices)

                  1. re: sugartoof
                    coll Sep 29, 2010 11:04 AM

                    Thanks for the warning. Never have encountered pizza cheese in buckets, sounds nasty. Every place I've ever frequented uses half whole milk and half skim real mozz loaves, which they grate themselves: if they use all whole milk mozz then it's a lot greasier, but a few prefer it that way. One of my favorite places used to drizzle a little olive oil on just before serving, and I love when you get that little drip off the end just before the first bite.

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                      sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 01:44 PM

                      Coll - Olive oil grease is delicious, and you're right, the higher end mozz will add wetness.

                      Unfortunately, when people speak of a classic New York slice, they're not talking about that kind of "healthy" grease. This is the kind of stuff, you often have to dab napkins to soak up the orange-ish grease pool. That's actually part of the appeal for some. Joe's is one of those greasefests.

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                        coll Sep 29, 2010 01:47 PM

                        Now I can't even go there to check it out, it sounds too gross. Still imagining imitation cheese scooped out of a spackle bucket. Life is too short for bad pizza.

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                          sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 01:59 PM

                          It's not like a spread so much as a rubbery looking version of "cheese". Most people don't notice it. If you've had a cheap pizza by the slice in NY, you've probably ate it.

                          1. re: sugartoof
                            coll Sep 29, 2010 02:17 PM

                            We used to like to eat at John's the best, either one, but we don't get in so much anymore. We get pizza in Brooklyn or the Bronx more often, and have our Meccas. Not sure that we ever had any that we would complain about.

              3. re: MVNYC
                Bob Martinez Sep 29, 2010 02:28 PM

                Thanks for posting that. I agree 100%.

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                  MVNYC Sep 29, 2010 07:34 PM

                  NY was a good pizza town before this artisinal movement came through. Don't get me wrong I like many of these new places but let's not get too crazy.

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                    sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 07:55 PM

                    How did the artisanal movement make it less of a good pizza town?

                    You can't blame Keste serving ricotta stuffed figs and other seasonal items on a pizza for Joe's moving to a new location, and selling an inferior product involving canned mushrooms.

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                      MVNYC Sep 29, 2010 08:09 PM

                      No one discussed anything of the sort. We were discussing an appreciation of what currently exists. I like both styles of pizza personally.

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                        sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 08:21 PM

                        Then explain saying "NY was a good pizza town before this artisinal movement came through. "

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                          Bob Martinez Sep 30, 2010 06:14 AM

                          "Then explain saying 'NY was a good pizza town before this artisinal movement came through.' "

                          What don't you get about that?

                          I agree with MVCNYC. NY *was* a good pizza town before the artisinal pizza movement showed up. You might not agree. That's why these are opinions, not science.

                          1. re: Bob Martinez
                            thew Sep 30, 2010 06:25 AM

                            amazing that my previous response got moderated - some people cannot handle metaphors unless their meaning is explicitly spelled out. ok in clear terms

                            it WAS a good pizza town before the artisanal wave, and still IS now

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                steakrules85 Sep 28, 2010 10:19 AM

                The best pizza in my opinion hands down is Di Fara's. Problem is you have to trek out to Brooklyn, wait an hour and a half for a pie, and it isn't the cheapest.

                Sad thing? It is worth every bit of the hassle.

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                  sidd Sep 27, 2010 02:45 PM

                  I am a newbie compared to many on the site. I stumbled upon Cafe Artichoke just north of chelsea market at the corner of 17th and 10th yesterday. Very good pizza- tried the crab pizza, and the spinach/ artichoke one.

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                    squid kun Sep 27, 2010 03:18 PM

                    That's Artichoke's new location; opened just recently. How was the crowd?

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                    Artichoke
                    114 10th Ave, New York, NY 10011

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                    trueblu Sep 23, 2010 05:13 PM

                    As another Bostonian, I've also had this question. Am in Manhattan today for a quick business trip that finished early, so made it to the village to try Joe's. Had a cheese slice, which was very good. However, (and please don't flame me on this), I would not say it was over and above better than all possible options in Boston. The original Regina in the NE of Boston is equally good, I would say.

                    What is probably true is that there are probably many more options in NYC than Boston, where it's likely to be above average. But some of the many random places I walked past today, where they were selling $1/slice pizza, didn't look that appetizing (not that I tried them), so it's probably not fair to say that all nyc pizza is better than all boston pizza.

                    Did enjoy my slice though -- thanks for the tip!

                    tb

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                      sugartoof Sep 26, 2010 07:31 PM

                      Joe's isn't a destination worthy slice. It's fine if you're there, and people who love it, really do love it for some reason, but I've never understood sending an out of towner to there. It's perfectly fine, and a step up from most random places you might stumble in to....but it's true most people will find comparable if not better pizza back home.

                      Had you gone a few blocks over to Keste, and wanted a whole pie, you would have found something outstanding.

                      1. re: sugartoof
                        MVNYC Sep 27, 2010 08:56 AM

                        If someone is looking for a NYC slice of pizza than Joe's is definitely a destination place. The crust is both crispy and chewy, the sauce and cheese are both good and in the proper ratio. Their fresh cheese slice is really good too. Pizza is fairly subjective but there are a lot of people who love Joe's. The original poster was asking for a good example of a slice of NYC pizza, not a whole pie.

                        There was good pizza to be found in NY before the arrival of all of these Neapolitan inspired places.

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                          sugartoof Sep 27, 2010 09:31 AM

                          I already acknowledged Joe's is much beloved. I just don't think it lives up to the hype, and can understand the above posters comment.

                          Joe's is turning out a fast food slice, not unlike many others in the city.

                          Sure, it's nostalgic for some to dump dry oregano on a mediocre slice to get some taste out of it, but you can do that at a number of places (Stromboli's comes to mind) with a lot less fanfare. Also, the Joe's crust is notoriously cardboard like, unless you luck out.

                          I feel bad that tourists go here, and think it's a bit misleading. The slice is not a unique slice, and the quality is not of a high end quality (Canned mushrooms? C'mon now). New Yorkers should know that, which means those who love it, do so for an entirely different set of reasonings. Genuine question...have we ever had a visitor come back on CH and rave about their slice at Joe's?

                          Pretty sure the oldest pizza places in NY were also Neapolitan inspired, btw.

                          1. re: sugartoof
                            MVNYC Sep 27, 2010 10:55 AM

                            It has nothing to do with nostalgia. People like "fast food" slices of pizza. The thing I missed most while living in other parts of the country or world was a great slice joint. You don't need to order a pie with gourmet ingredients to have a great slice of pizza. NYC is a pizza town where you can walk into any one of hundreds of local places and come out with a great slice. You don't find this too many other places and with such volume you also get a great variety to suit different tastes. New Yorkers may like one place over another due to a particular way they like their pizza.

                            Joe's is very good. Is it the best I have ever had no, but it is far from cardboard like and is what people think of when they want a NY slice. Lots of other places were mentioned in this thread as well.

                            It is clear you do not seem to appreciate the NYC style of pizza or its purpose as a quick easy and cheap meal or snack. That is ok. Not everybody needs to. However most tourists who come to our fair city do appreciate this as something they cannot get at home. Cheap eats are a good thing and a good way to get into the actual local culture of natives and how they feed themselves in a given day. So no reason to "feel bad" for tourists.

                            Of course NY pizza was inspired by Neapolitan pizza from 1890. The original pizza places were owned by immigrants from Naples. I was clearly referring to the new wave of places.

                            1. re: sugartoof
                              MVNYC Sep 27, 2010 11:04 AM

                              By the way I have eaten at Keste twice and was unimpressed. While not bad by any means there was no way it justified the hype nor did it come close to being as good as any pizza I had in Naples or Rome. It is also as fast food as they come, as soon as I was done with my pizza but while I still had half a carafe of wine we were rushed the check and forced out the door.

                              Transcendent pizza this is not.

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                                Pan Sep 27, 2010 08:36 PM

                                I have to strongly disagree with you on Keste. First of all, it is not directly comparable to Roman pizza, which is excellent but in a different style. But that said, I found it comparable to good Neapolitan pizza, though not as good as the best (my favorite on visits in the 90s was the Antica Pizzeria Porta d'Alba, just off of Pizza Dante, for whatever that's worth). Moreover, I found it some of the best pizza I've had in New York, which is really more to the point.

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                                  MVNYC Sep 28, 2010 04:21 PM

                                  I agree with you Roman pizza is completely different and probably an unfair comparison here. That said I didn't think Keste is a good Neapolitan Pizza, The dough was undercooked even by those standards. The toppings were fine on both visits but I just didn't find it to be a revelatory pizza experience. Of the newer places I preferred Paulie G's in Greenpoint to it and the late Una.

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                                    Pan Sep 28, 2010 06:40 PM

                                    I don't frequent Greenpoint and never went to Una Pizza Napoletana, but I differ with your appraisal of Keste.

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                                      sugartoof Sep 29, 2010 12:12 AM

                                      It's a large menu at Keste. Which pizza did you order?

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                                  MMRuth Sep 27, 2010 11:09 AM

                                  I think that the poster who posted recently about his or her "cheap eats" trip was quite pleased with Joe's slice.

                                  "Joe's Pizza (6th Ave and Carmine) - Great cheese slice. I got mine fresh from the oven, first slice off the pie. Maybe not the best ever but pretty darn good to remind me of what a NYC slice tastes like"

                                  That was Sept. 13th - http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7338...

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                                    sugartoof Sep 27, 2010 01:11 PM

                                    "Maybe not the best ever but pretty darn good"

                                    Thanks MMRuth, I stand corrected, someone reported back with some positive words, and the poster above did like their slice...we're talking about pizza, it's an okay slice, but I hate to think that's our ambassador for NY pizza.

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                                      kathryn Sep 27, 2010 01:23 PM

                                      Do you have a different gas oven, thin crust, cheesy street corner type of slice that you like instead of Joe's?

                                      Yes, the oldest coal oven pizza places (Grimaldi's, etc) were Naples inspired but I don't count them in the same genre as a Joe's type slice.

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                                        sugartoof Sep 27, 2010 01:58 PM

                                        Stromboli was the name that popped into my head.
                                        Even Ray's on Prince....and a number of random places, depending on how fresh it looks at any given time.

                                        I'm not suggesting anyone run to try any of them.

                                        1. re: kathryn
                                          bobjbkln Sep 27, 2010 06:44 PM

                                          « Do you have a different gas oven, thin crust, cheesy street corner type of slice that you like instead of Joe's? » ********DI FARA***********

                                          Di Fara is gas oven, thin crust and cheesy. The difference is that Dom uses great ingredients (3 kinds of cheese, home made San Marzano tomato sauce, fresh basil, EVOO, etc.) and hand makes each pie. Still it's a typical NY style.

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                                          San Marzano
                                          71 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

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                                            kathryn Sep 27, 2010 08:18 PM

                                            I also count Di Fara as its own genre due to the cheese mix, fresh basil, and olive oil drizzled on top. Not sure you can call it a "typical NY style" slice if nobody else is doing all of those things.

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                                              Pan Sep 27, 2010 08:38 PM

                                              I agree, Kathryn. DiFara is not typical in any way. And one way that's true is that he uses great fresh toppings.

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                                  uwsister Sep 27, 2010 11:57 AM

                                  >but it's true most people will find comparable if not better pizza back home.

                                  I'm not a fan of Joe's, but you overestimate the rest of the U.S.A!

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                                    kathryn Sep 27, 2010 01:22 PM

                                    Indeed! I invite you to visit my in laws in suburban Wisconsin. Their "pizza" is...interesting.

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                                      squid kun Sep 27, 2010 02:07 PM

                                      Do tell ... Stout, the sports bar near the Garden, makes a "Wisconsin-style" pizza, but I haven't tried it. What's Wisconsin style, hold everything but the cheese?

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                                      Stout NYC
                                      133 W 33rd St, New York, NY 10001

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                                        kathryn Sep 27, 2010 02:37 PM

                                        I've had a few different styles in Wisconsin. One was more like a Domino's (chewy, thick crust but without any flavor, too much rubbery cheese, sugary tomato sauce). Another was cracker-y and "party cut" (square grid) with a ton of toppings -- so many that they overwhelmed everything, and fell off every time you took a slice.

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                                          Morganna Sep 28, 2010 07:30 AM

                                          I grew up on the midwest and thought great pizza was found at Godfathers (I felt it was better than Pizza Hut, but I still ate at Pizza Hut, too). :) Godfathers' had thick crust, lotsa toppings. I'd also had Chicago deep dish, which is more like a casserole than what I'd call pizza, and liked that.

                                          But the scales didn't fall from my eyes until I went home with my (then fiance, now husband) to Long Island and had a pie from Uncle Joe's at a strip mall near, IIRC, Smithhaven mall. It was amazing. I felt like I'd never actually had pizza before. :) I also hadn't believed him about bagels (until we went to Long Island, I'd only ever had Lender's from the grocery). :)

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                                  premiumgal Sep 23, 2010 12:27 PM

                                  Delizia's 1st ave between 72nd and 73rd.

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                                  Delizia
                                  1374 1st Ave, New York, NY 10021

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                                  1. re: premiumgal
                                    thew Sep 23, 2010 05:26 PM

                                    pizza is SO subjective.

                                    i used to love delizia (they used to be in the store next door), it was my go to place in the 1980's; i think their pizza had dropped in quality over the years. it isn't bad but, well, they are the closest place to my house and i rarely go. although the last few times i was there it was better than it had been at their nadir

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                                    TomChowhound Sep 23, 2010 02:46 AM

                                    What it sounds to me your wife is talking about is a generic slice of pizza you can get in any neighborhood pizzaria in NY. There is probably one within 5 blocks of where you are, almost no matter where you are in NYC. Most of them are pretty good. Most of them are not very different from each other, relative to what you get in other parts of the country (apparently--I haven't been everywhere.) There are some distinctions, like in the thickness of the crust and the sweetness of the sauce, etc., but they are basically similar.

                                    The people who populate this board are mostly New Yorkers with a bent for the gourmet. Many of them, myself included, have had so many slices of pizza from so many neighborhood joints, that we now consider most of them rather average or mediocre; and the search is always on to find the cream de la creme.

                                    These typical slices though, perhaps considered mediocre by the more discerning palates, are what makes up what most people think of as New York pizza. Many places outside the NY Metro area make pizza so much differently that the subtle variations between any two NY neighborhood joints is practically insignificant.

                                    You can just find the closest pizzaria to where you are to get New York Pizza. If however, you want the very best, you can follow any of the more particular suggestions in this thread. However, you might have to travel a bit then.

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                                      thew Sep 23, 2010 04:55 AM

                                      i disagree with so much of this post, tom.

                                      there is a HUGE variance of pizza quality and taste across neighborhood joints. yes they are basically similar, inasmuch as they are all NY style pizza, as opposed to what you get in chicago or cleveland, but thats as far as that goes.

                                      most of everything is average (that's what the word means, no?) not just pizza, but there are many neighborhood places with slices that are not just not mediocre, but excellent.

                                      I am a lifetime NYer, with a bent for the gourmet. i have a discerning palate. I generally prefer a good NYC neighborhood joint slice to any of the thin crust coal oven gourmet pizza places. Just in my neighborhood alone there are a good dozen places in walking distance from my house. I will eat in maybe 3 or 4 of them tops, and of those 3 or 4 only consider 1 or 2 excellent. and even though i have to walk by 4 or 5 other places before i get to those top 2, i happily do so. There is nothing mediocre about those places.

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                                        Phil Ogelos Sep 23, 2010 06:03 AM

                                        so name names, thew.

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                                          thew Sep 23, 2010 06:08 AM

                                          italian village - 80th and 1st

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                                            Phil Ogelos Sep 23, 2010 06:12 AM

                                            not quite my neighbourhood, but close enough.
                                            thanks for the recommend.

                                            [remembering yogi berra's quip now.]

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                                      philk021 Sep 18, 2010 05:03 PM

                                      In my opinion these are the essential ones :

                                      Grimaldis
                                      Totonnos
                                      Lombardis
                                      Di Fara (my favorite)

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                                      Totonno's
                                      1544 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028

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                                        ToastMaster Sep 17, 2010 08:11 PM

                                        I wrote a big, long review that didn't seem to get posted. Here is the short version.

                                        I'm a fellow Bostonian and you should go to DiFara's. Dom DeMarco is 80-years-old and is the only one who makes the pizza. Get there soon. I will take you there if that makes you feel more comfortable about not getting lost in Brooklyn AND I will refund your money if you don't absolutely LOVE the pizza. (Seriously.) I take friends on tours of Brooklyn. This is one of my stops.

                                        If you don't believe me (a stranger), Lucali's was just voted the 2nd best pizza in America by GQ Magazine. Mark, the owner of Lucali's, learned how to make pizza from Dom. Lucali's is not as good as DiFara's. GO!!!!!

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                                          heWho Sep 17, 2010 10:09 PM

                                          I'm a Boston transplant, been living in NY for about 2.5 years now. First let me say, your wife is right. The pizza down here is on another level. In Boston (and New England in general), greek pizza is tolerated. Greek pizza wouldn't last a day down here. Even bad pizza in the city is good.

                                          Next, as much as I love DiFara, if you're visiting NY, it's not worth the hassle (and it IS a hassle) to get a good Sicilian pizza. The line is always long, but call in an order to Artichokes on 14th St (order a whole pie, take the leftovers back with you... you can't get pizza like this up there). It's nearly as good as DiFara's with a fraction of the time commitment (when I've gone to DiFara's it takes nearly an hour to get there by train, and then the wait for a pizza is at least an hour unless you go at an off time. 3-4 hours is a bit much to ask for pizza).

                                          Motorino and Keste (as mentioned here) are both fantastic. Honestly, even the slice joints will satisfy a craving for pizza that can't be itched up in Boston. My wife and I can't go a week without eating pizza down here, it's just too good. We'd go months up in Boston without eating a slice. Enjoy!

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                                          Motorino
                                          349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                            kathryn Sep 18, 2010 09:47 PM

                                            None of these are the Long Island style OP's wife ("no frou frou") is looking for though.

                                          2. re: ToastMaster
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                                            kathryn Sep 18, 2010 09:45 PM

                                            The OP said they get into the UWS in the early afternoon. It takes an hour by subway to get to Di Fara. On weekends they close at 4pm, although lately it's been more like 3pm. The timing is risky because the OP might get into town late (traffic, plane delays, etc), and get to Di Fara after Dom's decided he's taken the last lunch order already.

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                                              bobjbkln Sep 19, 2010 03:16 PM

                                              Just to be clear to others who read this, DiFara's closes for a mid-day break at 3 or so. They reopen around six and stay 'til about 9.

                                            2. re: ToastMaster
                                              Motosport Sep 20, 2010 07:45 AM

                                              Never made it to DiFara's. It was on my birthday pizza tour list but we ran out of time in Brooklyn and headed to Manhattan.
                                              Word has it that they do sell slices but they are $5.00. Worth it?

                                              1. re: Motosport
                                                bobjbkln Sep 20, 2010 10:27 AM

                                                It's a $4 slice for which they charge $5. With all the effort to get out there and the wait, do you really mind the extra dollar or two. Yes it's worth it. But if you go that far, why not get a pie (if there are at least two of you)?

                                                1. re: bobjbkln
                                                  Motosport Sep 20, 2010 10:49 AM

                                                  How much is a pie? $40?? I think a Lucali pie is $25. I gotta try them both and compare.

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                                                    kathryn Sep 20, 2010 01:32 PM

                                                    There was an epic thread on the price of Di Fara pizza last year on the OB board...

                                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/634287

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                                                  ml77 Sep 28, 2010 09:15 PM

                                                  I just went a couple of weeks ago and it was absolute 110% worth it. Not something I would do every day, but it was probably the best pizza I've ever had.

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                                                cambridgedoctpr Sep 17, 2010 02:41 PM

                                                i am from Cambridge so this may be a little off topic, but i think that you can get a good pizza at Coppa or Rialto. You may never be able to recreate the experience of being your wife at age 15.

                                                Though perhaps not: I used to dream about the crab-cakes at Les Nomades in Chicago, and I found that Jean-Georges made something pretty much as good as Jovan Treboyevich made in the early 80s. So, perhaps, contrary to Thomas Wolfe, you can go back again.

                                                1. penthouse pup Sep 16, 2010 06:03 PM

                                                  Under the radar but excellent as a slice place: The Pizza Box, Bleecker near Sullivan in the Village; as mentioned above by Thew, on the UES, Italian Village: those who live near it, know...

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                                                  176 Bleecker St, New York, NY 10012

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                                                    sjjn Sep 16, 2010 12:31 PM

                                                    I lived up there for many years and the two places to go for pizza she is looking for are -

                                                    for a slice:
                                                    Sal & Carmine's
                                                    2671 Broadway, New York NY 10025 (b/n 101st/102nd); 212-663-7651

                                                    for a pie:
                                                    V&T
                                                    1024 Amsterdam Ave, New York 10025
                                                    (Btwn 110th & 111th St)

                                                    For a novelty slice that isn't too bad for what it is, I used to go up to Koronet on 111th and broad and get that gigantic slice for like $2:50.

                                                    BTW I went to Popover's at least twice a month when I was up there and any weekday I was off I'd get the Cappuccino Eggs. Never understood why they didn't do this on the weekend...

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                                                    Sal & Carmine's
                                                    2671 Broadway, New York, NY 10025

                                                    Koronet
                                                    2848 Broadway, New York, NY 10025

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                                                      doubleffs Sep 16, 2010 01:28 PM

                                                      Slightly new question. What's the best pizza and delivery near Lincoln Center? Pizza does have to be good though.

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                                                        metfan630 Sep 16, 2010 03:52 PM

                                                        Francesco's Pizza on 68th and Columbus is my favorite. Lived in that area for awhile. Some people prefer Rigoletto which is one block up (just north of Magnolia Bakery).

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                                                        Pan Sep 18, 2010 08:35 PM

                                                        I haven't been to V&T for years but never thought it was that good, even when I was a kid in the 70s and went to Cathedral School across the street. Has it just stayed the same for decades, or is it different? I remember a decent, rather oily pie, and nothing more.

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                                                          burton Sep 19, 2010 06:35 AM

                                                          V&T has for ages been - and remains - subpar. Wouldn't waste my time. Seriously.

                                                          The few times I tried Sal & Carmine's the saltiness factor overpowered the otherwise fine slice. Not sure whether that is typical for them but I give up.

                                                          Rigoletto on Columbus nr 69th is a quite good neighborhood slice with an impressive variety of toppings.

                                                          Fiorello across from Lincoln Center has a simple, tasty thin pie (and more expensive).

                                                          For anything serious we head to the boroughs.

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                                                            uwsister Sep 19, 2010 10:01 AM

                                                            I don't know how it used to be in the 70s, but it's mediocre now and has been for years.

                                                            And I don't know how people consume Koronet slices sober. I'll admit I never have.

                                                        2. thew Sep 16, 2010 08:56 AM

                                                          italian village on 80th and 1st - for a classic NYC slice

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                                                            MVNYC Sep 17, 2010 12:20 PM

                                                            I would agree with that. Their pizza is good and my go to in the area though I wouldn't say it is head and shoulders above other good neighbourhood spots and worth going out of your way for. I also like Gotham for a less traditional yet still good slice.

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                                                              MVNYC Sep 29, 2010 09:13 PM

                                                              Thew---I hit up Italian Village tonight for the first time since I read about what you like in a pizza and I definitely get it. Their crust is thick, pliable and pretty resilient to the toppings

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                                                                thew Sep 30, 2010 04:42 AM

                                                                yay. glad you enjoyed

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                                                              susanl143 Sep 16, 2010 07:43 AM

                                                              Maybe this won't help. I grew up on Long Island and ate many, many excellent pizzas. However, I went to NYC a couple of years ago to see a Broadway Show (42nd Street) After the show I meant to go east for a particular restaurant but with no sense of direction ended up going west instead. Think I made it to around 7th or 8th avenue. Hunger didn't permit backtracking and the hour was late enough that most places weren't serving dinner so stopped into a large, bright place specializing in slices. It was the best pizza I've ever had and very reasonably priced as well. Anyone know where I was so I could go back someday and so the diarist could try it?

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                                                                orthorunner Sep 16, 2010 08:09 AM

                                                                The most expansive place I know of with pizza near that area is Mariella Pizza; have never had it but it does seem to fit your description. However, it is up between 56th and 57th on 8th. How far west do you think you walked? Most shows are around 7th avenue, so if you walked a few blocks west you may have been along 9th avenue (though most spots along 9th are smaller joints, and actually tend towards chains)

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                                                                sixteenbiticon Sep 16, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                                I would recommend Motorino or Co. for Manhattan. Keste as a distant third. If you're willing to travel then definitely Paulie Gee's in Greenpoint, Di Fara in Midwood(reserach this beforehand so you're not waiting in line for 3 hours), and Totonno's in Coney Island.

                                                                I've heard great things about Lucali, but haven't made it out there yet.

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                                                                1544 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028

                                                                Motorino
                                                                349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                  Chuck Lawrence Sep 15, 2010 07:39 PM

                                                                  Keste

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                                                                    kathryn Sep 15, 2010 10:04 PM

                                                                    If the OP's wife is looking for the pie from her Long Island childhood, I don't think Keste fits. Good pizza, yes. But they don't want Naples style.

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                                                                    nyccap28 Sep 15, 2010 04:23 PM

                                                                    The mythical pizza your wife is talking about for years can only be the standard gas oven type that is so prevalent in the boroughs for years(there are many many great pizzas now but that has been as of late and of varying kinds). With that said you want the type you can buy by the slice and eat standing up and there is no reason to look any further than Joe's on Carmine/off Bleeker. They have without a doubt the quintessential NYC slice. perfect crust(not to thick/not too thin) just the right amount of sauce and two choices of cheese option(standard-the kind she is probably talking about and fresh-the one you should try as well). It defintitely helps that Babbo is not too far away. if you don't want to beleive me look at their walls or check out how many foodie walking tours roll through there on a daily basis. After Joe's feel free to try any of the newer varieties we are fortunate to have so many! Co., Motorino, etc

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                                                                    110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

                                                                    Motorino
                                                                    349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                      nickbobo Sep 16, 2010 06:20 AM

                                                                      This sounds like the winner. Thanks very much. I'll report back in October....
                                                                      nick

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                                                                      tcastaneda Sep 15, 2010 12:42 PM

                                                                      If you don't mind the trip to Queens, Alba's on Queens Blvd and Main St has the best pizza I have ever had period. I haven't lived near Alba's in over 3 years and still make the trip to get that deliciousness that is there pizza!

                                                                      1. MVNYC Sep 15, 2010 06:26 AM

                                                                        Where on the Upper West Side are you staying? I used to go to Sal and Carmines on Broadway in the upper 90's. A good example of NYC pizza.

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                                                                          nickbobo Sep 15, 2010 12:28 PM

                                                                          we'll be on Broadway and 68. Sal and Carmines, huh?
                                                                          I also worked at the Popover Cafe up there about twenty years ago.
                                                                          Slice, popover, then Babbo late.
                                                                          Donut Plant the next morning, then Al Di La that night.
                                                                          Can't wait...

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                                                                            floretbroccoli Sep 15, 2010 02:26 PM

                                                                            I grew up in Brooklyn, eating at slice joints. If that's the standard, more or less, Sal and Carmine's is a good choice. They're on the west side of Broadway, around West 102nd Street.

                                                                            I hear that the Popover now sells kits to make your own popovers at home.

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                                                                              metfan630 Sep 15, 2010 02:37 PM

                                                                              I lived right near where you are staying for a few years, and Francesco's Pizza on 68th and Columbus is very good. As good as Joe's on Bleeker or Di Fara? No, but its obviously quite closer to where you are staying.

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                                                                              Pan Sep 18, 2010 08:32 PM

                                                                              I used to like the pizza there, but the last time I went there (it's now further uptown, I think near 102 St., as floretbroccoli says), the crust was incredibly aggressively oversalted.

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                                                                              diprey11 Sep 14, 2010 06:07 PM

                                                                              NY pizza is quite decent by Italian standards: I lived in the northern Italy (Trieste, Venice )for a while. I have one word for you (two actually): Di Fara. Other than that, depends on what you are looking for.

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                                                                                NYJewboy Sep 14, 2010 07:38 PM

                                                                                Some of the worst pizza I have ever had was in Venice. Overall the pizza in the north was not as good as NY, IMO.

                                                                                DiFara beats it by 10,000 miles.

                                                                                Also, I do agree with the above sentiment that the average strip mall pizza in Long Island is pretty good compared to the rest of the country: i.e. Gino's on the North Shore for exapmle...

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                                                                                  diprey11 Sep 14, 2010 07:53 PM

                                                                                  It depends on where exactly in Venice, tourist traps and all. Please don't say, anywhere near the Grand Canal. ;-) Outside of that touristy area, I would probably disagree: even in Santa Lucia, let alone in Mestre, but that discusion probably belongs to another board. We are in a violent agreement that the NYC pizza beats any other tri-state offerings, and pehaps far beyond that.

                                                                              2. Motosport Sep 14, 2010 02:53 PM

                                                                                I truly believe that NYC (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx and Staten Island) has the best pizza in the world. So many places and so many unique styles. All of the recs will steer you in the right direction. Enjoy!!

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                                                                                  RCC Sep 14, 2010 06:18 PM

                                                                                  Although I think that NY "has the best pizza in the" continental USofA, I would never stretch that to say "the world". Most pizza in Italy are heads-and-shoulders better than ours in good 'ole NY.

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                                                                                    Motosport Sep 15, 2010 06:10 AM

                                                                                    I.M.H.O. Nah!!! Traveled extensively in Italy. Had some great pizza. NYC pizza is as good or better. Maybe it just suits my pedestrian taste.

                                                                                    It's all good!! Except for maybe the slab o' cheese glop at any one of the "one and only" "original" "none otherthan" Ray's Pizza.

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                                                                                  ConnieC Sep 14, 2010 02:05 PM

                                                                                  Di Fara's. He is the artist. Your wife would need to be willing to wait. He is the only cook and he takes his time. Each detail of each pie gets his full attention. My favorite is the Sicilian porcini mushroom pizza. However, any will do. Dom is consistently great. Take the Q train to the Avenue J stop and walk two blocks to 1424 Ave. J (corner of 15th St.) This is authentic old New York pizza at its height. If you want something more comfortable, a sit down eating experience, less wait time, Motorino is good. I had a wonderful mozarella di bufalo with proscuitto pie. Motorino has unusual and great beer. L train to Graham, corner Devoe (Manhattan location is 349 E. 12th St.).

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                                                                                  349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                                    kathryn Sep 14, 2010 04:50 PM

                                                                                    If the OP's wife wants what she grew up with, though, I'm not sure Di Fara or Motorino will be the right place to go.

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                                                                                    349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                                    sugartoof Sep 14, 2010 01:22 PM

                                                                                    Rather than look for the best NY pizza, I would go for the best pizza in NY. Keste or Motorino. Possibly Co.

                                                                                    None of these are probably what your wife was talking about, since they haven't been in business for years, but this is what's been getting New Yorkers excited lately.

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                                                                                    349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                                      kathryn Sep 14, 2010 12:56 PM

                                                                                      There's actually a significant variety within NYC pizza. Really, it depends what you're looking for: cheesier/greasier gas oven style (like a Ray's) or lighter, fluffier coal oven style (like Patsy's or Totonno's)?

                                                                                      What matters more to you, quality of toppings or quality of crust? Do you mind a chewier pie? Or do you want a crispier pie? Etc. I assume you don't want one of the newfangled Naples inspired pies, which are not really what people think of when they think of pizza in NY.

                                                                                      Takeout? Sit down? Or is standing up OK with you? Are you willing to wait in a long line? Note also that a lot of famous pizza places are pies only.

                                                                                      How far are you willing to travel? Where on the UWS will you be?

                                                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6928...

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                                                                                      1544 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10028

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                                                                                        nickbobo Sep 14, 2010 02:05 PM

                                                                                        OK I'll try:
                                                                                        My slightly helpful wife says "I just mean a regular pizzaria slice o pie. Thin and chewy. Not froo froo."
                                                                                        I'll eat it standing on my head if it's delicious.
                                                                                        We're staying at 68 and Broadway.
                                                                                        Slice is good, but our dinner reservation is late enough that we could eat a whole pie no problem.
                                                                                        My image of NY pizza is "Two slices" from Do The Right Thing.
                                                                                        thanks for the help.

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                                                                                          nickbobo Sep 14, 2010 02:58 PM

                                                                                          One more thing that might be important. My wife grew up on Long Island as opposed to Manhattan proper.

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                                                                                            Chris VR Sep 14, 2010 03:34 PM

                                                                                            Yeah, that's going to be a problem. I grew up on Long Island too, where pretty much any strip mall pizza joint you wander across is going to have pizza that's far better than 95% of the pizza you find here in Boston. And when I visit my family in NYC, I'm excited for a pizza slice and always disappointed until I head out to Port Washington to visit my brother there. I like Patsy's and Grimaldi's but it's not like what I grew up with and am looking for. I haven't tried DiFara's and I think I'd love it, but it wouldn't be like the slice of my youth. It's been a long time since I've had Ray's and I remember liking it as a kid, but as a change, not an example of the pizza I generally ate. MVNYC is probably right in that a slice joint will probably be the closest to what your wife likes, but the few I have tried in NYC proper didn't do it for me (Abitino's, in particular, which was some of the worst pizza I've ever eaten.)

                                                                                            If you really want to quench her pizza craving, take the Orient Point or Port Jefferson ferry home, and stop at any random pizza place you see on the way. I kid you not, your wife will very likely not be disappointed. And check out some of the pizza threads on the Boston board. There is actually pizza here worth pursuing.

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                                                                                              kathryn Sep 14, 2010 04:51 PM

                                                                                              Patsy's and Grimaldi's are both coal oven places, I'm guessing what you want is gas oven pizza, right? Or something different? Can you elaborate on what you ate as a kid if it isn't what Ray's, etc. serve now? Agree that Abitino's was horrible.

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                                                                                              47 W 20th St, New York, NY 10010

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                                                                                                Chris VR Sep 15, 2010 04:34 AM

                                                                                                LIke I said, it's been years since I had Ray's but I recall it being closer to what I now know is deep dish style, with a thicker crust, a straight mozzerella cheese topping (I think, but don't know, that the pizza on LI also has parmesan and/or romano) and crumbly sausage, which is something I had never seen- meatballs and sausages were always sliced, never crumbled. I seem to remember it came in a triangle-shaped box, which I'd also never seen before. Looking at the pictures I can find of Ray's, it's not what I am remembering, so perhaps my memory is thinking of something completely different.

                                                                                                I assume it's gas oven pizza. The bottom was not quite crisp, mostly smooth although you could see small air bubbles if you looked closely, sort of a caramel color, and the dough has a perceivable malt flavor. The sauce has an acidic bite to it- not too sweet. The aforementioned cheese blend, applied a bit too thickly. You always needed to blot it with napkins to take off the oil slick. or it dripped down your arm when it was folded. I can't speak for the OP's wife, but if she grew up on Long Island, I can state with a fair amount of certainty that's what she is looking for.

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                                                                                                  MVNYC Sep 15, 2010 06:16 AM

                                                                                                  What you are describing is a classic slice of NY Pizza whether that is LI or NYC. There are plenty of places to get a slice like that. Joe's is like that as are a lot of other places in all of the boroughs. Next time you are in NYC post where you will be and perhaps someone can help.

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                                                                                                    Morganna Sep 17, 2010 10:52 AM

                                                                                                    My husband also grew up on LI, and we've never found pizza anywhere else that fits with the pizza we've gotten from there. We're going to be in Manhattan in January, and we'd really like some good pizza, LI style. We'll be staying uhm, I think it's called Midtown, in the Theater district, not far from Hell's Kitchen (I THINK I got that right). Any suggestions? :)

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                                                                                                      MVNYC Sep 17, 2010 12:18 PM

                                                                                                      Same suggestion, head to Joe's on Carmine and Bleecker. Kathryn's idea of how to spend the day a few posts up is a really good idea. That area is great for NYers and tourists alike.

                                                                                                      I am sure there are good Pizza shops in that area but I am not too familiar with it. Someone else can pipe in for that. Really though for what you are looking for, Joe's will fit the bill.

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                                                                                                        daffyduck Sep 19, 2010 01:31 PM

                                                                                                        2nd joe's. if you don't want to travel to the village. gino's on 83rd between 1st and 2nd makes a good ny slice as does pizza suprema by penn station.

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                                                                                                          ml77 Sep 19, 2010 08:38 PM

                                                                                                          If you're looking for a slice near penn station, then you have to go to Don Pepe. Its next to the Krispy Kreme, between the NJ Transit and Amtrak sections of the station.

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                                                                                                            daffyduck Sep 20, 2010 06:24 AM

                                                                                                            thanks for the tip, ill check it out the next time im there.

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                                                                                                              ml77 Sep 28, 2010 09:12 PM

                                                                                                              Cool. I look forward to your review.

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                                                                                            MVNYC Sep 14, 2010 03:10 PM

                                                                                            You want a NY style piece of pizza. There are a lot of Neapolitan style places that people rave about and they are good but that is not what you are looking for and your wife would call "froo froo". I eat at them but they are not where I would send someone who is from out of town for a standard NYC slice. It seems like a lot of people on this board look down on typical NYC slice joints but they are what keeps NYC like NYC. People seem to forget how bad regular NY style Pizza is out of the area.

                                                                                            For a great slice I like Joe's. Off of Bleecker and kind of near Babbo. I suppose you could get a slice early afternoon, do the tourist thing in the Village and hit Babbo.

                                                                                            http://www.menupages.com/restaurants/...

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                                                                                            110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

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                                                                                              kathryn Sep 14, 2010 04:50 PM

                                                                                              I can definitely see a mid-day afternoon stroll in that area yielding lots of delicious stuff. A few slices at Joe's (try the fresh mozzarella one, too), then a croissant at Claude's, gelato at L'Arte de Gelato, try some of the wares at Murray's Cheeses or Amy's Bread. Yum! You could also stop for a cocktail or two and some light bar snacks at Pegu Club when they open around 6pm or so. Or a glass of wine at the bar at Otto. Babbo would then be a short walk away from either.

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                                                                                              77 W Houston St, New York, NY 10012

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                                                                                                MVNYC Sep 15, 2010 06:20 AM

                                                                                                Kathryn, that sounds like an great day whether you are a tourist or not.

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                                                                                                foodwhisperer Sep 14, 2010 10:35 PM

                                                                                                Try Patsy's up in Harlem, then Ben's on Spring St, and Lombardi on Spring St. for what she might remember as NY pizza. Then for a change try Co. and Try Grand Daisy pizza on Sullivan St.

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                                                                                                  Phil Ogelos Sep 23, 2010 05:49 AM

                                                                                                  Ben's on Spring St. -amen to that, the ne plus ultra of slices in the city.

                                                                                                  [I'm reminded, reading Chris' posts above, that the key to good pizza is the water used to make the dough. That may be why Boston suffers so: when I shower at my sister's house in that town, I never come away clean.]

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                                                                                                    Motosport Sep 23, 2010 06:48 AM

                                                                                                    As the song says " I love that dirty water........Boston your my home"

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                                                                                                      kathryn Sep 23, 2010 07:50 AM

                                                                                                      I don't know if that's necessarily so, as there IS good pizza to be found outside New York City... and supposedly in Boston as well (Regina's).

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                                                                                                        hcbk0702 Sep 23, 2010 08:05 AM

                                                                                                        As a New Yorker who went to school in the Boston area, I have to say I was unable to find particularly good pizza there. I probably liked Galleria Umberto's Sicilian slice the best. It wasn't nearly as good as Artichoke's or Di Fara's, but it was also about 30-40% the price. Gran Gusto's Neapolitan pizzas were pretty decent.

                                                                                                        The original Regina is ok. Their other locations are flat-out bad.

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                                                                                                          Phil Ogelos Sep 26, 2010 06:37 PM

                                                                                                          I was only talking about the role fine water plays in producing good dough and thus good pizza, kathryn, and how Boston might or might not live up to that condition. That's ALL I said.

                                                                                                          There might be superlative pizza in Boise, Idaho and in Milton, MA, concurrently, for all I know -I made no claim to an NYC monopoly on the good stuff.

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                                                                                                            psawce23 Sep 28, 2010 09:46 AM

                                                                                                            Also, if you jsut walk into the first pizza place you see. You're likely to be disappointed. Do research. Most places are just bad.

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                                                                                                    psawce23 Sep 28, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                    You're looking for the old-school new york slice. If you haven't been here in a while you should know that there's been an artisinal pizza movement going on for a few years now. Places like Keste, Co., Motorino, etc... But you want an old-school slice. That breed has been going downhill for years now but you can still find a few decent places. My favorite is Joes on 6th ave just north of bleeker in the west village.

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                                                                                                    349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                                                                                                      MVNYC Sep 28, 2010 04:23 PM

                                                                                                      Curious why you think that breed is going downhill for years now? Are the slices becoming worse or have your tastes changed?

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                                                                                                        thew Sep 28, 2010 08:37 PM

                                                                                                        i find the good slice places are still good, so i'm not sure what you mean by going downhill

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