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Gourmet Noodle and Delicacies (Wenzhou) in Flushing

There's scant Wenzhou chow in town. Chung Hua claims Wenzhou, but as a savvy poster on an older thread ( http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/638289 ) pointed out, it's very likely Fujianese posing as Wenzhou (Fujianese restaurateurs are sort of the gastronomic equivalent of the "shape shifters" in cheesey sci-fi movies).

But I found an off-the-beaten-track place called Gourmet Noodle and Delicacies (42-15 College Point Blvd, near Sanford Ave; 718-886-0123, and their menu is filled with intriguing Wenzhou dishes, and the complete absence of wine sauce dishes makes me think this isn't more Fujianese masquerading (I've never yet met a Fujianese restaurateur who could resist offering at least one wine sauce dish).

I haven't eaten here yet, but it looks good.

Across the street, btw, is an Afghan butcher shop that intends to offer takeout food any day now. And Kanes Diner, at 4415 College Point Blvd, is surprisingly good for a few things, plus has free parking.

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Kanes Diner
44-15 College Point Blvd, Queens, NY 11355

 
 
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  1. The short rib noodle soup is to die for. I work nearby and that has become my go to dish. The wenzhou noodles are also nice, as is the fish cake soup. They always have lots of cold apps out in their deli case. The smoked duck is my favorite of those.

    The owner is a really friendly guy too. He is very willing to help navigate the menu,.

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    1. re: SpiceJunkies

      You are absolutely right SpiceJunkies - it is an excellent dish. Photo below. Mild broth, pickled vegetables, scallions, bean sprouts, noodles and a melt-in-your-mouth short rib. When I stopped in a very friendly Chinese woman named Sharon was behind the counter. Spoke excellent English. Small place with only nine seats and there were doing a steady business. Open from 8 am to 9 pm. Full paper menu in both English and Chinese with plenty more photos. Plus additional Chinese only specials.

       
      1. re: scoopG

        that looks really good, will have to try

        1. re: scoopG

          This dish walks the walk. But I didn't experience the broth to be "mild", as you say. More deep and beefy. Together with the pickled veggies and the fall-off-the-bone tender short rib, it made for a very strong taste. The noodles were nice and al dente, but I could have used a bit more. I'll ask and pay for extra next time - maybe they'll hook me up. The guy behind the counter was very nice, attentive. I don't think Sharon was there, but this guy's English was very good. Another nice recommendation, Scoop.
          p.

          1. re: Polecat

            Have to thanks the elusive SpiceJunkies and Jim for this one!

            1. re: scoopG

              Ah, yes. Just made my way upthread. Thanks, guys.
              p.

      2. I wonder if this was the same place Kathryn mentioned some months ago? I think there is yet another Wenzhou place in Flushing as well...thanks for pointing this one out.

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        1. re: scoopG

          Can you find that thread? I'd be curious.

          There's so much to learn about "Chinese (sic) food". Decades in, I'm still a rank beginner.

          Oh, there is exactly one web mention of this place, and it notes they make their own soy milk. Can't wait to try it!

          1. re: Jim Leff

            In the basement of the Golden mall, 2nd stall on your left after you make the turn from the stairs there's a place that has Wenzhou noodles. Might tasty, vinegar based, not sure if everything is Wenzhou. On college pt OK Ryan used to be much better when it was Thai food house....

            1. re: MOREKASHA

              I may be wrong about this, but I think "Wenzhou Noodles" is sort of like "Uighur Barbecue" or "Singapore Chow Mei Fun": i.e. stuff lots of people all over cook without regard to (or expectation of) authenticity. Sort of like cajun gumbo or new england clam chowder in a diner.

              I can easily imagine our mirror image chowhounds in China, getting all excited because an American restaurant opened there with Long Island Roast Duck on the menu, and they're figuring, wow, great, at long last we're getting highly specific regional American cooking all the way out here!

              Of course, I could be wrong, and the Golden Mall place might be totally Wenzhou...

              1. re: SpiceJunkies

                Ah, nice! Thanks! I wonder why that didn't surface in my google search!

                Great info, but the place still needs full investigation. There's a deep menu to work through here. Anyone game? I'll get there soon and post my notes. And I'll go for other stuff than the tips previously offered.

                1. re: Jim Leff

                  I think this is the place Kathryn mentioned. Certainly worth checking out. I know there is another Wenzhou place on 38th or 39th Avenue.

                2. re: SpiceJunkies

                  Shit. I've parked in front of this place for a while now on my trips to the mall (that doesn't sound right). The photo of the first noodle dish is what I mentioned. It is quite tasty. Jim, I havent seen Wenzhou noodles anywhere else, though that doesn't mean they arent the modern equivalent of Sing noodles. At rush hour the other week, 7:30 pm or so, it was one of the few joints with seats open. The folks there are mighty friendly. When I said hello in Mandarin (one of the 3 words I knew in Chinese) they replied in Chinese. Busted. We both laughed at my attempt to say hello.

                  1. re: MOREKASHA

                    That's two more words of Mandarin than I've got. I can only say "sponge gourd".

                    But OTOH I'd propose that's more useful than "hello".

            2. what direction do i walk from center of flushing chinatown? couldnt find a good map

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              1. re: AubWah

                Yeah, google maps hates this address. College Point Blvd is parallel to Main street, and a ten minute walk west.

              2. Oh these folks are definitely from Wenzhou. What they are offering is mostly Brined or Marinaded Wenzhou Appetizers - 溫州滷味小吃 (Wen1 Zhou1 Lu3 Wei1 Xiao3 Chi1.) The type of food you'd find on the street or at night markets in Wenzhou.

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                1. re: scoopG

                  how is the quality of the lu wei? i love lu wei meats, never been to wenzhou but chao zhou and taiwan lu wei is so awesome

                  1. re: Lau

                    Based on my one visit/dish it was very good. Interesting looking appetizers as well - like cold slivers of tripe with cilantro! It is closer to Maple Avenue than Sanford. This place is not for a big crowd - only two two-tops and 5 counter type seats. Great vibe.

                    1. re: Lau

                      I've spent alot of time in Wenzhou City, it's a pretty awful place and I would say anyone who's been there would agree. Friends who live there are waiting to make enough money to leave. The pollution is the worst I've seen in China. People move their to get rich and you will see alot of BMWs porsches etc driving around. Therefore there are alot of good restaurants, and being a big port the emphasis of these places is seafood.

                      The restaurants are interesting though, bear in mind I am there for work so we go out to upscale places. This is NOT a tourist city, Shanghai I wander around eating street food but I've not done that here. Anyhow the restaurant lobbies are like big markets. You walk around with a waiter pointing out which crabs, shrimp and fish you like, most alive in a tank. Another guy will follow and scoop them out and you tell them how you want it prepared, or the chef makes it whichever way he pleases. Along with shellfish there are turtles, frogs, snails, sea cucumber, eel, yellow fish, sea bass, lobster, etc etc. And when I say shrimp or crabs, there are many options. A row of shrimp tanks above rows of crab tanks. Being that these are upscale places and there is alot of money in that town there is also a fair amount of imported crabs and fish. I've also seen grubs, but haven't eaten them.

                      It is common for the restaurants to have a partially open kitchen, enclosed in glass behind which you can see sample dishes of the non seafood sort. Sizzling short ribs are popular, though not something you would think of as unique. Of course there are wenzhou noodles which I found comfortingly familiar the first time I had them. Thin noodles with egg, scallion, little shrimp.

                      I could go on but have alot of work to do today. I'll try and find some pictures, I posted some other meals in China, but nothing from Wenzhou. The ordering experience is definitely the highlight and the fish, mostly steamed is very good.

                      Sorry to be so hastey, will look for pics.

                      BTW, if you want to know if someone's from Wenzhou ask them to speak in the native dialect and bring a mandarin speaker. Aside from being righ their dialect is famous for being completely incomprehensible to all but their own.

                      1. re: 2slices

                        yah wenzhou has an awful reputation as being a bunch of thieves although i've never been there so i have no idea whether it is true, ive heard their language is really weird

                        i am pretty curious about this restaurant though

                  2. think im gonna check this place out monday afternoon. and bring some food home for dinner from elsewhere in the hood. hope i can find it

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                    1. re: AubWah

                      Here's a Chow record with a slightly inaccurate map (Google maps seems to mess up a lot of Queens addresses). Jim's cross-street info will get you there.

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                      Gourmet Noodle and Delicacies
                      42-15 College Point Blvd, Queens, NY 11355

                    2. when i was there today the young guy behind the counter spoke pretty bad english. i wanted to try the short rib noodle soup but because of the language barrier ended up with a beef noodle soup. it was still one of the best noodle soups ive had, very interesting broth and quality noodles. ill be back soon for the rib soup.

                      1. went back again today and the young lady who speaks great english was there. it was very interesting getting to talk with her. she mentioned a chowhound group had come in and i said yup i read that.

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                        1. re: AubWah

                          That's Sharon! Did you get your dose of the short rib noodle soup? Photo of it is on the cover of their takeout menu.