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The new Veritas

http://www.veritas-nyc.com/

Looks like they're closed (I don't know if this is for good or not

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I never went but the menu was really expensive, although I've heard it was worth it.

Is this a closing for good or do you think they'll come out with a new Veritas?

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Veritas
43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

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  1. Ineteresting kinda came out of the blue no?

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    1. re: steakrules85

      yeah I wonder where Gregory Pugin will go now...I'd been dying to try his food. Not sure what the Veritas owners were thinking

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      Veritas
      43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

    2. So I had randomly checked Veritas's website today, and it seems that a new restaurant/new chef is open in the old space. menu looks good, paired down a bit, no tasting menu and separated by course instead. Has anyone been?

      found this Wall St Journal write up from 12/29/10: http://blogs.wsj.com/wine/2010/12/29/...

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      Veritas
      43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

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      1. re: metfan630

        Yes, we were there at the end of December.

        Veritas has been one of our favorites since it opened many years ago. While we always enjoyed Scott Bryan's New American cuisine, we totally fell in love with Grégory Pugin's exquisite French cuisine and were truly saddened when we heard that he would no longer be cooking there. However, the new menu by Sam Hazan looked interesting, and so we were looking forward to the reopening.

        Our experience was decidedly mixed. While Mr. R.'s first and main courses were very good, mine were another story entirely. This is the first time that I've ever had a disappointing dish at Veritas -- let alone two! And my main course holds the dubious distinction of being my worst dish of 2010! But, at least, the meal ended on a positive note for me as the dessert we shared was delicious.

        Because we've been such long-time Veritas fans and Mr. R.'s dishes indicated that there is still very good food to be had there, I will go back again.

        Btw, the original decor was much more appealing to me than the new.

        Veritas photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

        http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

        1. re: RGR

          "worst dish of 2010" is a dubious distinction indeed!

          If and when we do go, I shall avoid the scallops. Thanks for posting!

          1. re: RGR

            RGR, I know you're a fan of Chef Pugin. I just came across this - he's at Le Cirque in Las Vegas now.

            http://www.eatinglv.com/2011/05/le-ci...

            Unfortunately, I've never went to Veritas.

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            Veritas
            43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

            Le Cirque
            151 East 58th Street, New York, NY 10022

            1. re: deepfry7

              Thanks for thinking of me, deepfry7! :) Actually, I found out that Pugin is at the Las Vegas Le Cirque a few months ago from my good friend ellenost. Good for him as I wish him well. But too bad for me since there is no trip out West in my future immediate or otherwise.

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        2. Wow, three stars from Sifton. Veritas is now on my list. I'm curious to try it.

          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/din...

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          Veritas
          43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

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          1. re: fm1963

            Only if you believe Sifton. (See my post above.)

            We did go back a second time, and I had a better experience than the first time.

            Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

            Still, imo, there's no way the food is worthy of three stars.

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            1. re: RGR

              RGR are you still surprised by Sifton's reviews? Haha, I question most of them, and while I haven't been to Veritas, the current version of the restaurant seems more in line of what Sifton prefers as compared to the former under Pugin. Take away tasting menus, add more a la carte options and its more in tune with the zeitgeist.

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              Veritas
              43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

              1. re: TheDegustationAsian

                I actually pay little, if any attention, to Sifton's reviews. In many respects, he's worse than Bruni, and I never cared much for Bruni either.

                Both had the opportunity to review Veritas while Pugin was there. My guess is that both went and since neither of them cares for that style of dining -- cuisine, ambiance, etc. -- both chose not to review it rather than diminish the three-star rating it has held since Reichl reviewed it when it first opened.

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                1. re: RGR

                  Indeed. This line of Sifton's is very telling:

                  "...now without tablecloths or pretense"

                  Ugh.

                  1. re: gutsofsteel

                    Maybe Sifton should confine his reviews to restaurants that cost under $20 (he seems to be happier there). There's a definite need for reviews of "budget-friendly" restaurants. Wasn't there a column once upon a time called the "Underground Diner"?

                    1. re: ellenost

                      The NYT still has such a column. It's called $25 and under...

                      1. re: gutsofsteel

                        Yes, thank for reminding me (I forgot the name of the column--hadn't seen it in a while). So, maybe Sifton should stick with writing reviews for "$25 and under".

                      2. re: ellenost

                        I don't see the evidence that Sifton favors cheap places - lack of pretense is one thing, price is another. The places he's awarded three or four stars to - Del Posto, Colicchio & Sons, La Grenouille, Marea and Ai Fiori - are all quite expensive by most people's standards. Maybe Del Posto is "cheap" for a four-star in NYC, but it ain't somewhere most normal people would go without a special occasion to warrant it. Actually, most "normal" people on normal paychecks will never dine in any of those restaurants - or any others at their price point - ever. If he's less elitist than his predecessors, it's only by a small margin.

                        Even looking over his two-starrers, I'm not sure there's one that a two-top could walk out of for under $100, unless perhaps they only drank water - and even then it'd be close. I'm not sure you'd find a single entree at any of them for under $20, besides the occasional token vegetarian choice, let alone a whole meal.

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                        Del Posto
                        85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                        La Grenouille
                        3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

                        Marea
                        240 Central Park South, New York, NY 10019

                        Colicchio & Sons
                        85 10th Ave, New York, NY 10011

                        Ai Fiori
                        400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

                        1. re: sgordon

                          "I don't see the evidence that Sifton favors cheap places - lack of pretense is one thing, price is another."

                          I totally agree. Sifton might be annoying but there's a method to his madness, and I usually have no problem with his three stars. His reviews of Ai Fiori and Marea were right on the money, so I'd give him the benefit of the doubt with regard to the new Veritas.

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                          Veritas
                          43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

                          Marea
                          240 Central Park South, New York, NY 10019

                          Ai Fiori
                          400 5th Ave, New York, NY 10018

                          1. re: H Manning

                            I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt with regard to the "new" Veritas since I've actually eaten the food -- not just once, but twice.

                            There are many reviews where I think he's been off the mark with his star assignments. I guess the "method to his madness" includes denying SHO Shaun Hergatt a third star -- which most people agree it deserved -- because, though he thought the food was excellent, he didn't care for the ambiance. He also gave Lincoln only two stars for much the same reason. Totally ridiculous since based on my recent dinner at Lincoln, Benno's food is far superior to Hazen's.

                            As for Marea, he raved about the meat and not the fish and/or seafood. The restaurant was named "Marea" to indicate its raison d'etre. Thus, it makes no sense to me for him to have awarded it three stars when he didn't think its central focus was rave-worthy.

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                            1. re: RGR

                              I dunno, I thought he was on the money with SHO at the time - I don't think the lack of a third star was entirely based on the setting, but on a number of factors. Really, he used a lot of modifiers tempering his praise for the food - "occasionally" terrific, "relatively" successful, etc. It was hardly an excited review. Based on his experience, two stars - which isn't a bad rating by any stretch - seemed appropriate. I agreed with it at the time, but also feel that Hergatt has gotten better since then, possibly into three-star territory. They might deserve a revisit at some point.

                              As to Lincoln, Sifton's known for taking price/value into consideration - moreso than his predecessor - and many, many people have said Lincoln is severely overpriced. Well over half the reviews seemed to note it. As they say at the end of every review, the stars "reflect the reviewer’s reaction to food, ambience and service, with price taken into consideration." - and if the restaurant really only hits on one of those four cylinders, I can't imagine giving it a higher rating than two. Shoot, Sifton was positively kind to them compared to Adam Platt's thrashing and Ryan Sutton's sad disappointment.

                              For those who have unlimited money and can judge a restaurant purely on the food with price not a consideration, their opinions may differ. Sifton doesn't review in a vacuum, though, and I appreciate that. Three stars for Veritas does not mean that their food is better, all other things being equal, than Lincoln's. Because all other things aren't equal. Three stars means he felt the complete package - food, service, ambience, and perhaps most importantly value - was better.

                              I think being overpriced can deservedly dock a restaurant a star - and batting above their price, providing good value for the customer's money, could very well earn them an extra one.

                              But I haven't been to the new Veritas, so I can't really comment on the current review under scrutiny.

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                              Veritas
                              43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

                              1. re: RGR

                                Hi, I just had to add a comment regarding Veritas. It's definitely not a cheap place, and I wish I knew more about wine to be able to enjoy splurging on a bottle from its extensive collection.

                                However, my husband and I did have a wonderful experience there around Christmas time. IMO, the desserts, alone, and the maple-brined wooly pig are two reasons to go check out the new Veritas.

                                See food photos and my write up here:
                                <a href="url">http://myturkishjoys.blogspot.com/201...>

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                                Veritas
                                43 East 20th St., New York, NY 10003

                                1. re: myturkishjoys

                                  I agree that the desserts are wonderful, and my husband had the pig, which was fine (I tasted it).

                                  However, my view of the "new" Veritas is that it is has solid but not rave-worth food which, imo, makes it a good neighborhood spot (with, of course, that outstanding wine list) rather than the destination restaurant it used to be.

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                        2. re: gutsofsteel

                          gos,

                          Sifton is way off base about pretense. I never found Veritas to be pretentious when Bryan and Pugin were doing the cooking. The staff was always very pleasant and professional.

                          While the old decor was far more to my liking that what's currently there (ugh!), I probably wouldn't mind the lack of tablecloths so much if the food rose to the previous superb level.

                          One significant problem with eliminating the tablecloths, at least for me, is that having hard-surfaced tables contributes to a much higher noise level than previously. Another major contributor is all the glass from the stacks of wine bottles in the floor-to-ceiling cases which are part of the new decor.

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                          1. re: RGR

                            Undergound What?

                            The original column --mentioned above as 'Underground Diner' (which became a book with several editions in the 1970's for a while) -- was The Underground Gourmet, by Milton Glaser (founder of NY Magazine) and the reviews were published there first...

                            1. re: RGR

                              In regards to Sifton I too am wary of his credibility with regard to reviews.

                              He mentioned the Arroz con Pato at Nuela as one of thebest dishes of 2010, which I have heard mixed results about.

                              RGR, I know you have eaten there and seemed to enjoy the duck. I am very very curious about trying this dish and Nuela in general. Thoughts?

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                              Nuela
                              43 W 24th St, New York, NY 10010

                              1. re: steakrules85

                                steak,

                                Where have you read mixed reviews specifically regarding Nuela's arroz con pato? I've not seen any. I can understand why Sifton felt the way he did about it because it is outstanding! The two of us couldn't finish it, so it made for some pretty delicious leftovers. I think it's worth going to Nuela at least once just to have it.

                                http://thewizardofroz.wordpress.com

                                1. re: RGR

                                  I agree. Sifton was right about this one. The arroz con pato at Nuela is truly amazing.

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                                  Nuela
                                  43 W 24th St, New York, NY 10010

                                  1. re: RGR

                                    I have heard many on yelp say that it was not as good as the rave reviews. Yes I know that you have to take those opinions with a grain of salt but it still makes me wonder. Also, just reading around on people's blogs I see some were disappointed in it.

                                    Nonetheless, the praise and the pics are good enough to make me want to try it! I will provide my review of it for sure.

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