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vinouspleasure Aug 27, 2010 10:14 AM

Hi,

I'll be staying at this hotel for business on tuesday morning and should have all tues to myself. Wed and thurs I'll have breakfast and perhaps one dinner to myself.

Would like to hear about any good places for croissant/coffee in the morning, recommendations for dinner. I like to eat everything!

thanks,
jd

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  1. Parigi RE: vinouspleasure Aug 27, 2010 11:12 AM

    Café Verlet, 256 Rue Saint-Honoré

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      vinouspleasure RE: Parigi Aug 27, 2010 11:32 AM

      thank you, that looks good!

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      vinouspleasure RE: vinouspleasure Aug 27, 2010 11:35 AM

      it seems like le souffle is in the area and mentioned favorably. Perhaps I should try to get to L' Ami Jean, will I be ok as a single diner?

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        Oakglen RE: vinouspleasure Aug 27, 2010 01:52 PM

        L'Ardoise, just down the street, before you get to Souffle. For coffee/croissant, I like L' Castiglione, at the bar or seated in the bar area. There is an Irish bar across the street; decent beer and eats. Chez Flottes makes some good croques and duck dishes. If you sit at the bar or one one of the bar tables, no res. is needed. Prices are quite reasonable, given this high rent area.

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          vinouspleasure RE: Oakglen Aug 27, 2010 07:45 PM

          thanks for the help, some questions:

          L' Castiglione, why the bar or bar area? Any Pâtisserie worth worth trying?
          I work in nyc, so I'm going to pass on an Irish bar.
          Chez Flottes, is it still worth trying the aligot? I dunno, I'm kinda wavering on this meal, I don't get to paris very often, maybe I should hop a taxi or the metro and try for something a little more memorable...

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            mangeur RE: vinouspleasure Aug 27, 2010 08:08 PM

            "I don't get to paris very often, maybe I should hop a taxi or the metro and try for something a little more memorable..."

            Oh, yes. Paris is a very small town. You can walk, bus, metro or cab without effort or expense. Tell us what you would like to eat, what kind of dining room experience you would like and we will bombard you with suggestions. Please don't waste this opportunity.

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              vinouspleasure RE: mangeur Aug 27, 2010 10:16 PM

              I like everything, maybe duck, foie gras, good wine by the glass...I would like a place that is not full of tourists, service is good but not stiff and formal, the food is cooked with warmth and joy rather than fussy precision. I don't need a beautiful room, just great food and warm service.

              not sure why this has repeated...

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                Parigi RE: vinouspleasure Aug 28, 2010 12:11 AM

                La Régalade Saint-Honoré on 123 Rue Saint-Honoré is an easy walk away (13 minutes according to Google map).
                Ditto Passage 55 in Passage des Panoramas

                Re this tourist issue, the best way to avoid tourists - incidentally like perhaps yourself - is to get out of central Paris. I imagine you chose the hotel for the central location, because maybe you like to be centrally located. Therefore expect the streets and cafés and restaurants to have fellow tourists like yourself. There are cities with no tourists, for good reasons. In short, just enjoy your trip.

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                  vinouspleasure RE: Parigi Aug 28, 2010 04:42 AM

                  thank you for the recommendations. I believe I stated a willingness to leave central paris:

                  "I don't get to paris very often, maybe I should hop a taxi or the metro and try for something a little more memorable..."

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                    Parigi RE: vinouspleasure Aug 28, 2010 08:14 AM

                    You're right. I was being my usual central Paris fundamentalist. Regualrs of this board know I never "do" 'burbs, and they tease me about it, rightly.
                    Worse, my burb aversion seems to be gradually covering arrondissements that are adjacent to them.

                    Plus, it's not you, it's I: After dinner I don't like any transport, no taxi, certainly no smelly metro after a good meal; I like - no, love, - to walk home.
                    Therefore I have been thinking of restos in and near your 'hood. Again I admit, all my prejudices.

                    A very nice bistro on bld St Germain - again, walkable for you - with "your" kind of food is Aux Fins Gourmets, 213 Boulevard Saint-Germain, Tel 01 4222 0657. Foie gras, duck, lamb, in short, sud-ouest heaven. However the last time I dined there was a year ago. I have not had more recent experience.
                    Afterwards, you'll see when you walk home. Paris is never lovelier than at night by the Seine. A long-time resident, I am still smitten.

                    Yes you should reserve, of course.

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                      vinouspleasure RE: Parigi Aug 28, 2010 08:43 AM

                      no worries, I'm on the other side of the spectrum, always willing to travel for a great meal. Walking along the seine at night is, for me, the most romantic setting in the world.

                      thanks again for all your help.

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                    vinouspleasure RE: Parigi Aug 28, 2010 07:30 AM

                    actually, La Régalade Saint-Honoré looks perfect!

                    thanks for the help.

                    best,
                    vp

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                      Laidback RE: Parigi Aug 28, 2010 07:40 AM

                      Parigir as usual has made good recommendations, La Regalade St. Honoré sounds like what you are looking for as does the Bistro Volnay. Subtract 2 numbers for her Passage recommendation(53 instead of 55), which is very good, but does have precise cooking with a Michelin star.

                      If you wish to avoid tourist central try the 15th arrondissement: Grand Pan, Cristal de Sel, Stephane Martin or the outer reaches of the 17th: Entredgeu, Clocher Pereire, La Fourchette du Printemps.

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                        vinouspleasure RE: Laidback Aug 28, 2010 07:54 AM

                        thank you, those recommendations look wonderful. I may have to steal a night away from business dinners to try one or two of these too.

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                  Oakglen RE: vinouspleasure Aug 28, 2010 07:22 AM

                  When we stay in this part of the 1st, we tend to start and end the day at L'Castiglione; the bar area is on the street level and reservations are not needed. Their food is actually quite good, but none of those I mentioned could be considered "destination" restaurants, they are simply convenient.

                  Parigi's suggestions are excellent; reservations required.

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                vinouspleasure RE: vinouspleasure Sep 5, 2010 08:12 AM

                so, the best laid plans were put to disarray when my client, who was footing the bill, put pressure on me to eat with "the team" every night. The worst was the first night when I had to cancel my reservation at La Régalade Saint-Honoré because they couldn't take all of us. There was a move afoot to eat at the irish restaurant across from the hotel but I was able to drive consensus on the basic concept of restaurants that serve french food while we were in france.

                We ended up at oaklglen's suggestion, L'Ardoise, and it was very good. The wait staff was great, patient with out group and the kitchen turned out some very nice food. I had the cod with eggplant which was unlike anything I'd had before but absolutely delicious

                We were visiting a vendor in paris and they took us out to Au General Lafayette at Rue La Fayette for lunch, a nice brasserie I had steak frites with a mustard sauce, the steak was excellent, the frites were good.

                That night we worked late, it was even tougher getting everyone to agree on a restaurant, we didn't have reservations anywhere, so we ended up back at L'Ardoise. for another excellent meal.

                I did manage to get to laduree for croissant and macaroons on the way to the rodin museum the first day. The croissant was very good by my god, the macaroons were fantastic. Pierre Herme has a place just down the street from the hotel but work interfered and I never got to compare macaroons.

                Thank you all for your help...I'm sorry I didn't get to your recommendations but I have them tucked away for my next visit.

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                  Parigi RE: vinouspleasure Sep 5, 2010 09:21 AM

                  You didn't do so well, considering all the dumb colleague pressure.

                  DCP is the dregs of business travelling. Once in HK my producer decided unilaterally that we would all have a sandwich lunch to save time.
                  Hello? We were in HK for *$#@'s sake ! We could have gotten a wonton soup in any hole-in-the-wall and it will be light years better than tourist-area sandwiches.
                  Got worse as we got to Beijing. I ended up being dragged to a vegetarian pizzeria. You can imagine the full atrocity. Worse, I had to translate…
                  Back to you. Général Lafayette , for that genre, is a lot better than the mysteriously much touted Chartier. And L'Ardoise as your cantine is quite ok. At least you had some honest French food.

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