HOME > Chowhound > Los Angeles Area >

Discussion

Hatfields vs. Bastide?

I'm taking my sister and brother in law out to dinner on Thursday. They complain that they only go to the same three restaurants (and at that...not very often). I'd like to take them somewhere that will excite their taste buds AND eyes. The last time I took them out for this purpose, we went to AOC, and they were in heaven.

This time, I've narrowed it down to Hatfield's vs Bastide.

So...what do you say, Chowhound? Is Hatfield's as good as everyone keeps saying (I went before they moved and felt that it was a little uninspired)? Is Bastide still any good at all (it seems to have totally fallen off the radar)?

Thanks!

-----
AOC
8022 W 3rd St, Los Angeles, CA 90048

Hatfield's
6703 Melrose Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90038

Bastide Restaurant
8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

  1. Click to Upload a photo (10 MB limit)
Delete
  1. If you've already been to Hatfield's and felt it was a little "uninspired" then I would suggest changing up. Bastide would be a great choice. But, as far as I'm concerned, the most inspired food in LA is being turned out at Animal on N Fairfax.

    -----
    Animal
    435 N Fairfax Ave, Los Angeles, CA 90036

    1. I've only been to Bastide once in its current incarnation, but my meal was uninspired enough that I've never had any desire to return, although the patio is lovely. Maybe others have been more recently and can chime in. For me, I would choose Hatfield's, no question, but is you're open to other suggestions, I completely agree with Servorg re Animal.

      -----
      Bastide Restaurant
      8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

      2 Replies
      1. re: mollyomormon

        Totally agree with everything written by mollyo. Went once to Bastide, don't remember much except that everyone working there seemed to be trying their durndest to avoid looking at us on our way out...weirdness.

        -----
        Bastide Restaurant
        8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

        1. re: mollyomormon

          Love Hatfield's, have never had a desire to go to Bastide, and you have to LOVE meat at Animal, so you know your attendees, you make the choice.
          You will not regret the choice regardless, unless the $$$ enters the discussion, in which case, Bastide might be more $$$ than you might want to spend.

        2. I would say Basitde, its amazing! Plus the pricing is the best for you buck in LA $10-$32. Bastide is an LA legend and the food is unforgettable. I recommend the Salmon! Check out this review and some pictures of the food.
          http://www.kevineats.com/2010/07/bast...

          -----
          Bastide Restaurant
          8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

          12 Replies
          1. re: JJPM

            Most of the legend factor is of Joe Pytka and the ability to work with him, or not.
            Yes, the food is always good, and the patio I hear is fine, yet not necessarily in this weather!!!

            1. re: carter

              Agreed that Bastide is far from an LA legend. Lingering is how I would best describe the place

              -----
              Bastide Restaurant
              8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

              1. re: albatruffles

                I totally disagree that Bastide is lingering. From a meal in July.

                See pics here:
                http://lizziee.wordpress.com/category...

                We have eaten at Bastide in all its different phases – Alain Giraud, Ludo Lefebrvre, Walter Manske and now Joseph Mahon. Each chef has a very personal style and Chef Mahon has definitely transformed Bastide to his culinary vision. I would characterize Bastide as California cuisine much like Michael’s in its hey day. The flavors are clear and pure, the ingredients are first-rate and there are few if any extraneous ingredients on the plate i.e. none of the school of throwing 30 ingredients in the air and hope that it makes sense. The bells and whistles are not from manipulating food to be clever, but rather from letting the ingredients shine and not be overshadowed with superfluous flourishes. Chef Mahon’s food exhibits a chef who is comfortable and confident with his expertise and skill.

                Service at Bastide was perfect – A++ Tina, our waitress, was tremendous; she had worked at Per Se in New York and Bouchon in Beverly Hills.

                We were seated in what is called the garden room.

                We decided to just let Chef Joseph Mahon devise a tasting menu.

                Bread service – Fennel and Olive, Apple/Cashew, Regular Wheat, Raisin – delicious and we had a repeat serving.

                Compressed watermelon, toasted pine nuts, celery leaf, feta water and parsley added for color – very light and refreshing.

                Corn Soup, Crispy Pork Nuggets, Orange Segments, Curry Oil. The soup was delicious and the pork just a lovely addition – pork and corn what is there not to like.

                On the left, frisee salad with whole grain mustard, crispy pig ear and on the right pork terrine, pickled ramps and cornichons – focused food done well.

                Yellowtail blanched in brown butter, Chinese long beans, soy beans, shaved asparagus, radish with an apple soy vinaigrette – lovely and light and a different and unique take on the yellowtail crudo plate offered all over LA.

                Heirloom Tomato Salad, Grated Goat Cheese, Mache, Avocado, Nicoise Olive, Croutons – this was summer on a plate and absolutely wonderful.

                Scottish Salmon slowly poached in olive oil and duck fat, Beluga lentils, sugar snap peas, Port wine sauce – this was one of the dishes of the evening. I am not a great lover of cooked salmon – I often find it dry, overcooked and in a word boring. This was melt in your mouth perfect; I am guessing that the duck fat poaching had a great deal to do with that. The port wine sauce just added to the excellence.

                Colorado Rack of Lamb. Baba Ganoush, Favas, Tomatoes, Natural Lamb Jus – I was getting very full so I didn’t do justice to this dish.

                Cheese Course – Epoisse, Blue, Petit Basque, Apple

                Sorbets – Yogurt, Mango, Cherry – this was a miss.

                Chocolate Souffle, Rum Vanilla Ice Cream, Mango Chocolate Sauce – the souffle was perfect.

                Bastide in its current incarnation delivers a very solid meal – far superior to many of the mid to high-end dining experiences around Los Angeles. It is civilized dining – not about the scene, but about the food. You can actually have a conversation. As I mentioned earlier this is classic California cuisine – ingredient focused, well prepared. Chef Mahon doesn’t cruise the room. (He came out at the very end of our meal). Rather this is a committed chef whose concern is what is on the plate and it shows.

                -----
                Bastide Restaurant
                8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

                1. re: lizziee

                  Nice review, lizziee, you convinced me!! We ate at Hatfield's before they moved and it was fine, but not on the same par as the meal you've described above.

                  And a meal at Bastide, albeit a few years back, is still memorable for us.

                  -----
                  Bastide Restaurant
                  8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

                  1. re: Phurstluv

                    Just bear in mind that it's a different chef/room/etc. from when you went so will likely be quite different.

                    Here's my review from earlier this year when they initially reopened:

                    I went last night and have to say, I did not love. Excellent service and I thought sitting on the patio was lovely, but none of the food really wowed me and some of it was not that great. The bread basket was excellent and all baked in house (onion bread, raisin walnut and maybe sourdough? with some gorgeous butter and a pretty radish). For starters, we had the onion soup and the yellowtail. I thought both were delicious, although neither were particularly memorable (aside from the addition of kidney beans to the soup, which I just found somewhat odd). I also thought the frisee salad was good, although I've had better preparations around town. For mains, we shared the lamb shank and the cod. I was getting full at this point, but both of these were a little rough. The cod tasted watery and underseasoned to me, and that was sort of a theme with the entire dish, as the boiled turnip had a similar thing going on. The only really enjoyable things on the plate were the mussels, which were perfectly cooked and in a tasty cream sauce. The lamb shank was also underseasoned to my palette and really could have used some additional cooking time, as it was not falling off the bone and was actually quite difficult to pull apart because it was so fatty. The lamb shank is a mammoth portion served on a giant bone, but we only managed to eat a few bites of it. I could imagine if it was cooked longer that this would be a great dish. The coco beans on which it rested were excellent and, I thought, the highlight of the meal aside from the beignets that we had for dessert, which I thought were perfect and an excellent dessert for someone like me who doesn't normally like sweets as none of the dipping sauces were overly sweet.

                    from Lizee's review, it sounds as if things may have improved since my visit as both entrees when I went were subpar.

                    1. re: Phurstluv

                      Hatfield's is a different restaurant in its new digs, with more variety to the menu and wine list, and a room that is so serene, yet entertaining, in that you watch the kitchen in action, yet not be a party to its noise.
                      Bastide's past varies, depending on the chef.
                      And Lizzlee, I believe Paul Shoemaker was in that roster of chefs somewhere.

                      1. re: carter

                        That's what I've heard, carter, and they are still on my short list. But that list just keeps getting longer, damn we have a lot of good places to try!!

                        1. re: carter

                          I heard that Paul Shoemaker has something to do with a new restaurant in Malibu, carter. Do you (or anyone) have any details on that?

                          1. re: MunchMunchYum

                            Eater LA reported he opened Savory in a Malibu shopping center in Point Dume neighborhood.

                            http://la.eater.com/search.php?blogs=...

                            1. re: MunchMunchYum

                              Phurstluv got it right - in the center that previously had a Preston's market, now a Vons operation.
                              Here are some of the details on their website. Just opened, btw.
                              http://savorymalibu.com/
                              I want to go very soon, before winter sets in!!!

                        2. re: lizziee

                          Lizziee, do you remmeber how much you paid for the tasting menu ?

                          1. re: lizziee

                            Agree completely. I'm a big fan of Hatfields, both the old and new location (actually liked the feel of the old one a little better). However ,my recent visit to Bastide in its current incarnation was surprisingly excellent and I'd be hard pressed to choose a favorite. I ordered from the regular menu. Each dish was solid and perfectly prepared.

                            The sommelier brought a couple of bottles of bugundy that they were trying to get rid of. We went with a delicious and very reasonably priced premier cru burgundy.

                            I never made it to previous versions of Bastide but this current version is solid.

                            -----
                            Bastide Restaurant
                            8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

                    2. To answer your question, Hatfield's easily over Bastide...easily!!! Now if you didn't like it, the cards are against for a second trip. Listen to Servorg, go to Animal, you will love it. If you don't, if says more about you, than that amazing restaurant. Order the poutine, pork belly sliders, and maple foie gras biscuit to start.

                      1 Reply
                      1. re: albatruffles

                        Awesome. I'm FINALLY checking out Hatfield's tonight - can't wait!

                      2. I went to Bastide this April and it was not memorable - rather disappointing. I certainly not call it a LA Legend anymore.

                        I went to Hatfield's this May and thoroughly enjoyed their Spontanée tasting menu (8 courses) with wine pairing.

                        So TheSpleen, where did you end up going?

                        -----
                        Bastide Restaurant
                        8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

                        2 Replies
                        1. re: Ashibi

                          Sorry for the delay! I went to Hatfield's.

                          It was fantastic. The room was beautiful, the food sublime and the choice...perfect!

                          Thank you all for the great suggestions.

                          1. re: TheSpleen

                            We liked Hatfields very well have never been to Bastide.

                            Next time your sister needs variety think of The Foundry or the Lazy Ox; very innovative food at both places.

                            -----
                            Bastide Restaurant
                            8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069

                        2. hmm.hatfields.....better to sit as close to the kitchen as possible or as far away as possible? i plan to go there next month...
                          any thoughts on the prix fix they have for $49? bettter to go with that or a la carte?
                          thanks!

                          1 Reply
                          1. re: samtron608

                            definitely prix fix. i understand you'll get to enjoy dish which is not available on the regular menu.

                          2. I've been to both once. Had the tasting menu at Hatfields, went to a friend for lunch at Bastide (where we ordered a few things). If someone asked me which I'd like to go back to - it would be Bastide. Seemed more interesting.

                            Also, Hatfields wasn't bad, but I was hoping it would be better - largely because of some of the raves here on Chow.

                            -----
                            Bastide Restaurant
                            8475 Melrose Place, West Hollywood, CA 90069